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Hacked Live User Reveals Xbox.com Weakness

Posted Jan 13, 2012 at 2:08PM EST by

Listed in: Xbox Live Tags: Microsoft, xbox live
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We’ve seen this Xbox Live hacking story play out over the last few weeks, and we’ve seen the same arguments thrown up: Hacked users insist they didn’t do anything wrong, and Microsoft insists that Xbox Live is completely secure. Commenters then either bash hacked players for falling victim to phishing attempts, or cast aspersions on Microsoft for covering up a potential security threat.

 

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As of today, we’re starting to see a few more details as to what may actually be causing the problem. Jason Coutee is a network infrastructure manager who also happened to have his Xbox Live account stolen and looted for 8,000 MS Points. Coutee conducted his own investigation (as is becoming the norm) and found a gaping hole in the security measures found on Xbox.com.


Apparently, Xbox.com allows for an infinite amount of incorrect login attempts. No matter how many times you get a password wrong, you can continue trying as long as you’re willing to enter a Captcha code. This means hackers have the option of brute-forcing account passwords, since there’s no consequence for a series of incorrect entries.


There’s naturally no word from Microsoft regarding the issue, and it’s unclear if this is the primary cause of the recent account hacks. However, it’s still a considerable security concern for a website that contains sensitive personal data and credit card information.


We’ll keep you updated as the story develops – we’re expecting some sort of response from Microsoft soon.


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# RE: Hacked Live User Reveals Xbox.com Weakness8675309 2012-01-13 16:32
this seems to be the norm for any site & because most people rarely sign out or dont sign in @ all on the web site

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# RE: Hacked Live User Reveals Xbox.com Weaknessdhgfj 2012-01-13 17:11
the best part is how long this has been happening and the fact that you only now decide to mention it...

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# ...SeRosiS 2012-01-13 18:18
Time to change the old password then...

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# RE: Hacked Live User Reveals Xbox.com Weaknessjustanotherthought 2012-01-13 18:48
With all of the accounts that were hacked for gaming websites last year, has anyone considered the possibility that the hacked individual provided the same email as their live account to the gaming site, or any other site, and used the same password that is associated with their live account. It could have been years ago, that they made this mistake and possibly even forgot that they had signed up with that site. Just a thought.

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# Utter crapSlashz 2012-01-13 21:31
Really this is nothing to do with it I'd believe. A majority of big websites do something like this and as someone with experience with OCRs and Captchas it appears to be pretty difficult to bypass the Captcha.

I hope you are all award Google does the exact same thing and uses similar strength captchas. You don't see a mass gmail hack do you?

I honestly believe that this is a deeper issue and they have a small exploitable hole OR there's just a bunch of dumb people getting phised.

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# RE: Hacked Live User Reveals Xbox.com WeaknessLiam Riordan 2012-01-14 00:35
Brute forcing a captcha? Has the bot image recognition improved that much? Something tells me no.

If the thieves are forcing login attempts one at a time manually, its not cost effective, its too much work unless they did their research on the victim. It happens, but not often enough for the current problem.

I do agree that the infinite retry attempts for the passwords is a major problem. I usually see three to five attempts before security checks.

I hope Microsoft plugs that whole, its a simple fix.

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# Do you think endless password attempts represent a security threat?Christian Banks 2012-01-14 00:54
YES!!! That is basic security 101.

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# RE: Hacked Live User Reveals Xbox.com WeaknessMusev 2012-01-14 08:38
Remember when it was psn getting attacked.
every mention on the net had 360 owners gloating and saying things like "you get what you pay for". seems like worse stuff is now happening to 360 owners yet its not all over the news and the topics Ive seen on the subject dont have loads of ps3 owners laughing back.

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# RE: RE: Hacked Live User Reveals Xbox.com WeaknessPS360 Owner1 2012-01-14 19:11
Like anyone gives a shit about fanboy console wars shit.. Oh wait, the stupid shit ass fanboys do.

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# RE: Hacked Live User Reveals Xbox.com WeaknessMa Troy 2012-01-14 10:33
Various other loose security sites can be hacked for user information.

Get a few e-mails along with passwords and see how many match on a high security site. This is usually very effective for hackers since many people use the same password for a lot of sites they visit.

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# RE: Hacked Live User Reveals Xbox.com WeaknessThemainshow 2012-01-14 13:23
This really is not a security bug, this is a pretty per normal website. This guy just wants to cause trouble and be 3lite, when really he is a lame ass who knows nothing about what he is talking about. This is not a security hole. And if he thinks it is i dare him to randomly generate a password for his account and then hack in, got one week, go.
Also this is so weak this shouldnt even be on this site, this is not breaking news, this is some dumb ass who got hacked and is complaining about it now trying to make it not his fault. He was more then likely downloading porn and got his logins jacked hah.

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# Normal huhJason Coutee 2012-01-15 00:49
If you would do your homework I stated a couple of things. First the site tells you if the email your using is associated with a live id. This is bad buisness and bad security as any one in the IT field will tell you that a generic "login failed" message is standard practice to avoid giving out information. Second the captcha is normal practice but for such a pro you fail to realize they keep modifying it over the years because it has and will continue to be circumvented. Third MS gives you a nice link there that you can script to load in 100 IE windows if you like over and over with a key press generator for passords in a few and a password dictionary in the others.... the flaw of xbox.com is they offer the means to bypass the captcha. It has taken a few days on some accounts but believe me when I tell you that if you give my pc "because I don't need to babysit it" infinate attempts to brute force an account my pc will win.... and so will any legit hacker out there. Only difference between them and me is I'm paid by a very respectable company to figure these type of "loopholes" out.
For anyone to suggest this isn't legit is insulting to the IT and programming profession.

captcha breached
http://techie-buzz.com/tech-news/standford-researchers-break-captcha-code.html

An update on brute force for ppl who think they know it all
http://lifehacker.com/5505400/how-id-hack-your-weak-passwords

Check your password below
http://howsecureismypassword.net/

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# RE: Hacked Live User Reveals Xbox.com WeaknessFate 2012-01-14 22:21
this is why changing password on a regular basis is a good idea it may be a pain to do, but it's for the best

I'd say change your password every 3rd month

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# PassTechnorati 2012-01-19 12:28
Sure they can use infinite tries, but the amount of time needed to guess a "strong" password would be so long you'd grow a beard rivaling Karl Marx's before fruition. So as always its the Uses fault for inadequate passwords.

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