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Xbox 360's 1080p don't play on Sony's TVs?

Posted Nov 1, 2006 at 1:19AM EST by Mabie A.

Listed in: Xbox 360 Tags: Microsoft, Sony

Some people are really pissed. So they buy Microsoft's Xbox 360, gets a 1080p upgrade, plug it into their XBR2 or XBR3 TV line of Sony, only to see on the TV display, "Invalid Signal--Check Your PC Output". Well, that's really a downer.

But more than the disappointment of these consumers, the more important implication of this scenario is that the 1080p upgrade for the Xbox 360 seems to block out compatibility with the said TVs from Sony. Oh, but that's such a nasty thought. There's got to be some explanation why this booboo happened. But according to the angry Kotaku letter-sender, he's tested other sets like Samsung's and Sharp's, and they displayed the 360 in 1080p without any issues at all.

So, some folks can't help but let their minds wander: could this be a deliberate move on Microsoft, or could this just be a slip-up (if that's the case, it's a really big one at that) from MS? We don't know the answers to that. But maybe we'd hear from MS soon about this. For now, it's just a rumor. A nasty one.

Keep it posted here for more updates. Oh, and if your TV goes 1080p, maybe you could do some investigating yourself.

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looking at the manual for sony's 60 and 70" xbr2 sets (both 1080p) this info came up on page 77

"This TV's PC input does not support Sync on Green or Composite Sync"

also on page 19, the rear image of the tv shows this over the composite inputs:

"1080i/720p/4809/480i"

it also supports 1080p via vga... but your system can not be sync-on-green or composite sync.... a pc can work on 1080p via the vga as it doesn't use the above 2 sync methods.

also, on page 24 :

"HDMI connection is necessary to view 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p formats"

so if the 360 uses sync-on-green or composite sync, then sony's users are screwed, as vga is the only way to get 1080p on those tv's, but since they don't have the needed features for 1080p vga on the 360, then they are screwed.

also... link to the PDF:

http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/documents/specifications/60_70_xbr.pdf

# If you read, they didnt test 1080p through component — Vietone 2006-11-01 03:16

Because it doesnt work. 1080p over component is a rarity of high end expensive TVs from a couple years ago or more.

This is VGA, get it through your head, I read reviews on several TVs, literally hundreds. 1080p does not work through component, 99% of TVs that people buy downscale 1080p to 1080i then use a upscaling chip to convert it back to 1080p.

Why? Because the R+D on the component processing chip has stopped because of HDMI. So every TV thats new is still using old chips because no company is taking the risk to developing a 1080p component chip when it wont work with the newest players.

You are an idiot, find a mainstream TV that supports true 1080p over component. Because i can find over 50 2006 model TVs that support a maximum of 1080i through component.

# The only reason for HDMI is copy protection B.S. — Guest 2006-11-01 03:41

I have a job/life , unlike you and no time to read 50+ TV spec sheets. It says Samsung and Sharp TV's worked fine with 1080p. Were they lying or just upconverted from 1080i to 1080p? And if it really is that hard to tell, then what's the f*cking difference?

# No 1080p upgrade — Cat Mac Daddy 2006-11-01 04:03

I have an RCA Scenium HD50LPW167 and when I when to try and change it to 1080p it would give me a black screen. So I called M$ and tehy said this is the 3rd call about this problem this morning. They said they should have a fix-it for it in a week.

# um... — Guest 2006-11-01 04:19

so a display doesn't support a certain format or signal through a certain input and it's microsoft's fault?

thats just retarded. let's drop a chevy small block engine in a toyota celica and blame chevy when it doesn't run without modification. the celica has an engine so it must work with a different engine right?!?!? i mean it works in the impala i tried it with...

you can't blame the output device for the inability of the display to work with it.

# research — Guest 2006-11-01 04:25

the HD50LPW167 doesnt support 1080p thats why your screen goes black, thers no fix from microsoft for a tv that doesnt do 1080p.

# i kno right — Guest 2006-11-01 04:31

i like how qj's posts blaims ms and they didnt even bother to research, alot of tvs these days allow 1080p over comp, mine does. sony forced 1080p thru hdmi only for the simple fact i benefits only their products. either way ms will released an hdmi cable to make it easier for everyone.

# wow — Guest 2006-11-01 04:35

Yet another reason M$ should have built this into the system and used an HDMI cable, The 360 is supposed to be next-gen, but no HDMI. Ever. Right.

# Just wait for the patch... sheesh!! — Guest 2006-11-01 04:40

It's just a software issue. I'm sure another patch will come through in a week or so. Then we will all be able to enjoy some nice 1080p by the time Blue Dragon comes out. Remember not a lot of people have an HD TV, this XMAS will be a good year for those with HD-DVD Players and the PS3 coming out. The Hype for Better TV's will be. Microsoft will make sure those 360 will have the ability of 1080p on all televisions.

-V

# . — Guest 2006-11-01 05:09

what are u talking about? hdmi is just a cable it can be added to the console just like component cables can for gaming. hd-dvd will also allow hdcp for movies over hdmi. the console was built to be easily upgradable dont talk unless you kno what your complaining about.

# HDMI — Guest 2006-11-01 05:24

HDMI allows video AND audio in the same cable. Its all digital down one cable and has a delay on the audio so that the audio is in sync with the video. Alhough you may not notice its there at first LCD's have a warm up issue giving them an average of 8 milliseconds delay. Dosn't sound much but if you deliberatley look for it you will notice.

# wow — Guest 2006-11-01 05:32

guys do you know what HDMI stands for?........... High Definition Multimedia Interface.......... it carries Video AND audio signals........... and it carries up to 5.1 channels exept for hdmi 1.3 which does 7.1............... component cables do not carry sound signals........ the black and white cables that are sometimes attatched to component cables are for audio......... these are sometimes added to the high end component cables.............. so can you tell me how you can add video+audio through a connection that only can detect video?......... thats like saying...... let me plug my speakers into my s-video so we can hear.......... it doesnt work like that............ microsoft cant and wont put in a hdmi cable........... why?..... first off it will have the same bandwith as the compponent.... because it wont be a full add on....... it will have to be a component to HDMI converter.......... therefor just stick with component... i mean you guys always said 720p is enough..... upscaling 720p to 1080p is no difference.......... as the source is 720p.......... thats why i say microsoft can lick my nuts.... dont be fooled...

# READ — Vietone 2006-11-01 05:42

They work over VGA not component

If you couldnt read that part then you shouldnt be replying.

# Same Problem with my Westinghouse — Guest 2006-11-01 05:46

I have the same problem with my westinghouse TV.. Only supports 1080p over DVI and VGA, so I think I'm just going to buy a vga cable today to see how it looks.

# how sure is sure for u? — Guest 2006-11-01 05:55

most of us kno the specs for hdmi and what its capable of. why isnt a hdmi chord impossible? how do u kno what the 360 is capable of its already been shown to have versatility with upgrades, i bet you would have said 1080p was imposible befor the update. ms has yet to say something was upgradable and not deliver. the 360 is more than likely capable of using hdmi for games, this is games, not movies we are talking about there is no need for hdcp for games or for the extra audio channels, as long as the console can output thru hdmi (wich ms stated it can and will) then you will get 1080p even on sony sets. if your going to compain do it in the sony site not the xbox section.

# so to end this — Guest 2006-11-01 06:05

qj is lazy......

not MS fault.......

just 1080p isnt supported from component cables...... big deal.....

it`d trouble like 0,00001% of the USA population......

# yo — Guest 2006-11-01 06:08

Samsung makes Sony's televisions...why would it be any different. Samsung took over operations on Sony's manufacturing a while back.

# Wrong — Guest 2006-11-01 06:24

Samsung do not make Sony's TVs.

Both Samsung and Sony have a joint venture in an LCD panel FAB (S-LCD Corp.). So they both use the same LCD's. The components + technology behind them are different, which is why the Sony Bravia Engine is a huge step ahead of the same priced Sammy's.

On the 1080p, get a grip, just because the TV doesn't support 1080p over VGA is not intentional on MS or Sonys behalf. Its happening on a number of TVs and QJ + the rest are making it a big deal by only mentioning Sony.

# HDMI — Guest 2006-11-01 06:31

It's is Micro$ofts fault for not including HDMI!!! Not "$ony" as you put it. Oh and by the way don't try to spell Sony with a dollar sign fool.

# Another Sony product to scratch off the list — Guest 2006-11-01 06:34

I'm sure that the Sony LCDs demand HDCP support (for 1080p), which is why analog VGA doesn't support the resolution.

It's not Microsoft's fault, just ridiculous copy protection hurting honest consumers while pirates still pirate.

# ... — Guest 2006-11-01 07:56

i pity anyone with a sony tv...

# Really? — Guest 2006-11-01 09:17

>" i mean you guys always said 720p is enough"

And it is. The vast majority of PS3 games are 720p BTW, is that not enough for you then?

1080p is great, but it's not a massive difference over 720p.

>"as the source is 720p.......... thats why i say microsoft can lick my nuts.... dont be fooled..."

Same with all those 720p games on the PS3. Can Sony lick your nuts too?

Soon we will have a few NATIVE 1080p 360 games, soon we will be playing native 1080p PS3 games, but for the vast majority of games on both consoles, it will be 720p, upscaled to 1080p if have the hardware.

# Best in the market — Guest 2006-11-01 09:19

This is a big deal because Sony is a huge name in the TV market. Sony is number 1 in rear projection TVs. They have the best for the price and the clarity of the image is second to none.

My old video card supported 1080i and displayed perfectly. My new Nvidia Card can output 1080p and it displays perfectly over VGA. In reality its just setting the resolution to 1920x1080 @ 85hz but its still the same.

The Xbox360 is the issue. It can easily be resolved by making the signal a computer signal instead of HD signal. This is no different then the older LCD wide screen monitors that wouldn't accept 720p over VGA but accepted 1280x720@60hz from a PC.

# my 27 inch westinghouse works great — Guest 2006-11-01 09:24

my 27 inch westinghouse works great on 1080p

I think sony just sucks with Lcd/Plasma/DLP tvs. Go samsung, phillips, and westinghouse.

# wow — Guest 2006-11-01 09:49

i have a little 15 inch hdtv from polaroid and it goes to 1080i and when the update came out i put it to 1080p to see and it went black for like 2 seconds it blinked and on the top right in green it said "1080p 60hz" i dont know how the fck that works....

# hmm — Guest 2006-11-01 11:54

Very simple M$ doesnt wont there system work with sony tvs just show how stupid company can be. Plus most people have 1080p tvs that supports HDMI and yet M$ releases VGA component. LMAO

# Stupid article — Guest 2006-11-01 12:57

It's common knowledge that most all TVs, save for very high-end ones, don't accept 1080p over component. No sh*t you won't get a signal then. Just buy some VGA cables

# Samsung CS 29z30bp not working in 1080i — Guest 2006-11-01 14:19

While the topic is up i have a

http://www.samsung.com/sg/products/tv/flattv/cs_29z30bp.asp

and i'm only able to run 480p. The 720p shows all messed, and the 1080i shows a no signal screen?

anyone have the same prob or any idea what my prob might be?

# wow... — Annony 2006-11-01 18:52

Sony isn't stupid enough to NOT allow Xbox 360 users to play a $399 system on one of their +$1000 TVs, so I doubt that's the problem. Apparently, a few other brands are experiencing issues with the 360.

# - — Guest 2006-11-01 19:44

why would it be sony's fault? Their 1080p capable TV's have been on the market well before the release of the new xbox150 patch.

As for HDMI, i do not think it will be possible. The xbox does not have a HDCP chip, so even if you get HDMI, you cannot view protected media. xbox150 is soooo last gen.

# It's definately Microsoft's Fault!!! — SteveTao 2006-11-02 00:57

Microsoft: "Guys, your stereo only have two speakers. But with this software update, your stereo will be able to do 7.1 surround sound, and your two speakers stereo will suddenly become a 7 speakers."

Impossible. If you don't have the hardware for it, how is the software update going to make up for it? Magic?

Microsoft: "Guys, your car has a V4 only. But with this software update, it'll become a V6."

Impossible. That's just pure bull*****. How's that even possible?

Microsoft: "Guys, your 360's hardware can only do 1080i, but with this software update, your hardware automatically is able to do 1080p over component, when component don't even support 1080p. By magic."

# Think harder — Guest 2006-11-02 03:25

If the Audio/video jack on the 360 has a power rail they can place the HDCP chip on the plug part of the cable. The chip is tiny and draws very little power too.

# If you don't know, don't say anything. — digitalkid 2006-11-04 02:14

You guys are fu@#ing morons.

Can we leave the component arguments out. This whole issue is via VGA.

The VGA connection to the Sony's have the problem. It's was always the VGA issue from the start. It's common knowledge that components don't work. Ok, move on. Now solve the problem with the VGA not sending the 1080p to the TV.

It's not magically doing it, it's upscaling the 720p. There are so many ignorant retards responding in these articles, and no one with any information of value.

# Sure... — Guest 2006-11-06 07:07

Sony is the one that does things different from everyone else, so I'm not sure why MS is getting the blame for this. The track record is quite clear for anyone over 12.

# We are sourrounded by idiots with opinions — Guest 2006-11-06 23:08

Man, you don't know what are you talking about. It's obviuos you and others morons here havent ever seen a XBOX or XBOX360. What component to hdmi conversion are you talking about? XBOX and XBOX360 both have interfaces conected directly to the motherboards, carrying every type of video and audio signal,and they can add every cable a Sonny butkissser can imagine. Spelling Microsoft with $: what a moron. Every little mistake of Microsoft raise up millions of idiots screaming, and when Sony spits them in the face always find excuses. Bill Gates wants to control the world, woe, I'm f... scared. Maybe thats why he spent 50 billions of his fortune to charity and Sony dont.

# For christ sakes. — Evab3vA 2006-11-08 02:20

The Sony X series (which I have the 40" version) supports 1080i through component and considering the TV de-interlaces the image from the 360 and displays 1080p, it looks pretty damn fine. Far better than 720p.

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