I'd call a lawyer here. It's bull***** they did that. I'm pretty sure it's illegal to do this.

i can see what you are saying, but you come off like an ass...



no one deserves ridicule for just being themselves.



with that in mind, people must be aware that not everyone is going to be mature about things like this.



while microsoft is definitely wrong for banning this woman, she definitely should have known it would invite harassment...



if you don't like that kind of attention, you avoid it...



she took that chance and dealt with the consequences. however the consequences should of stopped at dealing with immature and insecure retards... not at being banned for doing nothing wrong.

It sounds like what's going on is just negligence, not really a homosexuality thing. What I mean is that, instead of reviewing the complaints in a case by case basis, since they're getting so many complaints about one profile, they just banned it. Of course, I can't say much because I'm not sure what the process of it all is. As for the "GAYERgamer" thing, it sounds like he wasn't using a part of his name just as a part of his name. It's more like he was using a different connotation despite not exactly being gay himself. Don't give me the whole gay means happy thing. Most people who use the term don't mean it that way these days. We know companies have to cater to the major population when it comes to hot topics. The people in charge of this stuff probably just use a filter of some kind. As for the girl being harassed- it sucks, but they can't really do anything about people being hateful idiots online. Unless there's a constant audio recording of chats that go on, it's hard to keep track of what people say. Now for what Fenix1186 is probably getting at is that he's tired of the whole idea of homosexuals "owning their gayness" It's one thing to have pride, but it's another thing to be conceited.

thats rediculas Im going to put something about that in my bio if i want...not saying im gay but sry m$ but dont give us the option for a bio..if we cant write things about our lives in it..and idk about them but being gay would definitely be important enough to me to write about in my bio. Plus being a girl on xbl just invites tons of unwanted lonely nerds and their sexual comments and if it made em stop id say im a lesbian too.

a lot of people just blatantly misuse the term. It's like anyone who isn't noticably pro-LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Trans~) then you're somehow afraid of or hate homosexuals. wth is that? It's like saying because I don't agree with Christianity, I'm automatically an atheist. Well, maybe my simile is a little off, but y'all get the gist of it

how can you not agree with being gay?



is there some aspect you don't agree with? like not repressing who you are? i just don't understand... to me that's like not agreeing with rocks or plants or fish...



it's not a choice like say, religion...

Not a choice? So you're telling me if someone is predisposed to be aroused by children, then they have no choice but to become a pedophile? I'm sorry, but we all have a choice. My reasons for not agreeing are entirely based on my Christian faith. I don't join in with people who go gay bashing though. I'm actually the opposite, I really try to show people who are homosexual the love of Christ and not the condemnation that others spout out. The thing is, *practicing* homosexuality is a sin, just like premarital sex, just like lying, just like hating. Everyone has sinned, so everyone is in the same boat. That's why all people need Jesus's sacrifice to atone for what we've done wrong. But we are expected to stop doing these things. People are predisposed to a lot of things, but we all have a choice to not do them. That's what seperates us from animals that act on impulse.



Some links you might be interested in: http://www.narth.com/docs/whitehead2.html



http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/_PDFArchives/streams-of-life/SL2W0803.pdf



http://www.ccv.org/downloads/pdf/GayGenesGoingGoingGone.pdf

a huge party consists of Ellen, Ian, Elton, and others to march on Microsoft's office and say that everyone have their RIGHTS. so Close-Minded the people at Microsoft are. and to be banned from LIVE. ARGH!

then I guess by that definition, what Fenix1186 was saying should also be banned as well. If they define saying you are a lesbian/gay as a comment of sexual nature, then they MUST also define saying you are straight (or "I LIKE GIRLS") as being of a sexual nature. I would have to say that is taking it a bit far. Don't get me wrong, I still don't agree with it, but from a strictly rational point of view, I don't see how they can justify one but not the other. Of course we don't really know if they WOULD ban someone for putting "I LIKE GIRLS" but it would be easy enough to test I suppose.

Your analogy is piss poor. Did you just compare the act of molesting CHILDREN as a choice, in the same light as 2 ADULTS of the same gender being attracted to each other?



Just because one chooses NOT to have sex does not make them gay OR straight. Just because a gay person chose to not have sex with a person of the same gender doesnt magically make them straight. Same for a straight man. Just because he chose not to have sex with a girl doesnt make him gay. THAt is where the choice begins and ends. Unless you can prove it IS a choice, since science cannot then your point is moot.



And I love how you speak of Sin as if everyone follws one religion. We all believe in diff things, your religion is no more right than anyone esles. And if you think yours is, then you are a fool.

"You completely missed the *****ing point."



he just means why does she have to make a point of it by putting it in her profile? its like people like that, do it to find trouble.



like being asked to be treated the same as everyone else while rubbing in peoples faces why some dont treat you the way you want... its annoying! and might even be whats offensive in this case, more than the fact that shes a lesbian.

Not that Im saying its right she was banned.

This ban is _NOT_ discrimination. My friend got his Bio erased because it said "I am a Straight White Male, 5'6 with brown hair", replaced with Microsoft Code of Conduct or something.





The TOS clearly states not to have anything involving "topics or content of a sexual nature". Saying you are Straight, Lesbian or Gay, means you are sexually attracted to a certain sex, thus violating the TOS.

Well I hope they sue MS for every dime they got, oh yes for the ones that say the TOS says they can't.... Think a again then because people have the right to sue even if theirs a statement or so that says they couldn't sue for it and I don't think MS has any right to ban anyone for just letting people know little bit about you as well as why didn't the people that made this girl feel bad end up not getting ban? I mean if they called her names an said other things. Then they should of ban them as well.. Just another reason while MS doesn't need to be making systems.

Attraction is not sex until it's sex. Do you seriously think it'd be against the TOS to say you're dating [insert gender here]?

I can't believe it.... This poor woman has payed her hard earned cash on an XBL subscription & is now banned just because she chose to let other people know she's partial to the same gender....



Isn't the whole point of being online is so you don't have to hide from anyone, no matter what gender you like. This is a violation of this womans rights to freely express herself, & if parents think this will taint they're children more than playing some of the violent games out there then they are probably bad parents.... Also if there are people who are "Gay Bashing" on XBL then they should get banned until they're mature enough to use the service without discriminating one another...



I'd understand if the girl had said "I love the Vaj" but just stating her sexual orientation does no harm. This is the first step to MS censoring everything... What happened to using the internet as freedom of speech, they're censoring the victims when really it's the "gaybashers" who should be censored. There's a fine line between censoring & discrimination & that changes as the circumstances do.... MS obviously have no idea about what this poor girl has experiance & oppted for the easy option & kicked her out..... Shame on you MS.... tut tut tut.... ¬_¬



This is just a typical case of religous/non-religous/gaybashing americans trying to do the "right thing" but inadvetedly causing more harm than needed. Just let people play the damn games....

8 bucks a month isnt bad. expeically when it offers alot more serives then psn does. dont get me wrong i use both ps3 and 360 for my online gaming. but 8 bucks a month (or 50 bucks for 13 months) wont break your wallet

Well the way I look at it is if you were on a dating site it would be understandable but its a gaming community why in the hell would you put that I think she desrves all, it seems to me she is putting it on there so other lesbians would talk to her and maybe they could have cyber sex or w/e that garbage is called so I hope this taught her a lesson, I wouldnt put my personal life on a profile for gaming I mean c'mon all this is going to start up is a gay racial debate and who the hell cares its rediculous anyways I hope she gets banned for being stupid snough 2 even put that crap..

First, to Ninjiz, why is my analogy piss poor? Sexually basically comes down to what turns you on. Some people like the opposite sex, some like the same sex, some like kids, some like animals. Many make the case that since you are born that way, you have no choice but to act on it. That is the case I'm making. I'm not saying a homosexual is like a child rapist, I'm saying the choice boils down to the same level, so if you say homosexuals have no choice, then you MUST agree that people with other inborn attractions also have no choice, and thus you make a case for pedophilia, resulting in this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-pedophile_activism



For Rabbitfly: I'm not defining homophobia, I pulled that straight off dictionary.com. What you are describing is YOUR definition of homophobia. It's sort of like what Dudeman3k said, it would be like me saying everyone who doesn't agree with Christianity is an atheist. If a couple of my homosexual friends got married to a christian ceremony, first of all I would probably not be able to buy the tickets to fly to whatever state they are in to do that. But let's assume they are able to here, no I honestly probably would not attend for two reasons. One is they know my beliefs on that and two is their use of the christian ceremony would be questionable knowing that homosexual marriage is not condoned in the Bible. So I would question their motives on that as well.



Let me try that another way, arachnophobia is the fear of spiders. I don't like spiders but I don't scream like a girl when I see one. But I don't pick it up and hug it and embrace it. Yet I am not an arachnophobic.



btw, I love that all my comments that were controversial were downrated while my comments that are defensive of her got uprated. Brilliant.

be very interesting if the news got ahold of it.

SUE THEM TO HELL!!!!





Oh then buy a PS3 with the money you get out of it and play on PSN!!!

...states that nothing of sexual nature can be written in your GT/profile/etc. Not only for women but for men as well. Funny thing is, they don't ban gay bashers, which should be banned for the reason you are mentioning, and because they are offending gay people.

But do think banning her was too harsh, they should have asked her to change the message or something.

she tells them that shes a lesbian so guys wont flirt her.

because you are comparing it to someone who is compelled to commit a crime ie HARM AN INNOCENT CHILD. Especially when MOST pedeo's are CREATED in a vicious cycle (abused becomes the abuser)

It would be the same for murder... if someone is compelled to kill other people, That is something compeltely different and cant be compared. Thats why your analogy doesnt work.



Comparing a gay persons alleged "choice" to a Pedophiles alleged "choice" as one and the same is retarded. The only valid analogy you can say is, whether someone chooses to have sex or not gay or straight. And as stated, Just because a gay person chose not to have sex with anyone doesnt make you straight. Sexuality goes far beyond the physical ACT of having sex. Something a majority of the medical/science profession believes. Which is WHY your analogy FAILS.

racist against women aren't you?

Firstly, this girl violated the terms of the contract that she entered into with Microsoft. Whether or not you deem it "a big deal" is inconsequential . She didn't follow the rules and her account was suspended. Simple as that.



As for the people harassing her, NOWHERE in her story did she talk about reporting these incidences to Microsoft.



Microsoft clearly looks into each complaint filed by a member seeing as how this girl was suspended for something, you consider to be so minor. If she wants any action to be taken then she has to follow the rules to begin with.



And finally, if she had followed the Terms of Use from the beginning then nobody would have a reason to bash her in the first place. Unless of course she is advertising it, like in her profile, which is CLEARLY for attention.

last time i checked "woman" isnt a race. its a gender. Therefore it would be sexism, not racism.

Duh.

if my point got across then i dont give a crap what word i used

the good thing about lesbian and gay that they cant have kids so in some time they will vanish XD

i dont really care about the gay lesbo thing but i think that MS did the right thing, if u want to say that u r gay go to PS HOME or second life or there or w/e but stay away from gaming community because its for gaming not for sex or bull***** about ur self and if u want to sue someone then sue any government facility, you know why because they didnt include GAY or LESBAIN in the choices of your gender, once they do that they admit the gays and the lesbians in this community and u have the rights to sue MS for banning you but until then STFU rofl

what exactly is your point?

Gay and lesbian aren't genders dumbass. Also, speak english!

I have only used XBL a few times - I have to say that I preferre PC gaming online due to the general age and attitudes of users on all XBL and other console games. My experience with call of duty was mostly made up of kids from all over calling each other "*****s" "gays" and telling each other they got *****ed. It is a very immature environment.



Regardless if you think you are a homophobe or not, if this even made you think about it - then you are very probably a bigoted philistine.



Why would it offend an innocent child if someone has stated that they are a lesbian - Why would it be harmfull?



If its not harmfull then why was this necesary? - for them to react to the attitudes of their users in this way?



If you are there to play games - then play - dont worry about what people call them selves - unless it really is that indecent.



Microsoft appear to have almost joined in with the "gay hating *****ing" kids - who now have a lot of Christian role models in society who are actually anti gay. I would bet that more than half the American christian population are anti gay.



Bottom line is - If you dont agree with sexual freedom - you are homophobic. MS have acted in a homophobic fashion by doing this and it highlights the attitude of the society using the service.



We need to blanket ban blanket banning and get over this shambolic christian rubbish which is stopping people from growing up.



Gays and Sex - apparently these things are going to offend and destroy our youth. Not ignorance and bigots. People let their kids shoot and drive in games but cant properly explain sex and orientation before they are either 16 (or pregnant or responsible)



Innocence is one thing - ignorance is another people.

Simply stating your sexual preference is not sexual content. There was *NO* violation. She was banned because people got *****y about their kids seeing it, not because it was actually against the rules.

"the good thing about lesbian and gay that they cant have kids so in some time they will vanish XD"



Right, which is why there are more now than ever before in the thousands of years that their existence has been recorded.



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"I think I already answered the consenting adults argument ala pedophilia above."



No, you really didn't. Not at all. You stated that the choice to rape a child and the choice to have sex with a consenting adult of the same sex were morally equal. The idea of "consenting adult" is COMPLETELY beyond you.



"You say that since my disagreements are based entirely on my faith, they are invalid? Please, go research how many of our current laws are based on Judeo-Christianity. I'll wait for you....."



Name one.



"You say the mere fact that I've accepted the Christian faith causes me to condemn others? Once again, thanks for demonstrating your complete lack of knowledge on my faith."



Nope, sorry. Saying you're a Christian means you believe some people will go to hell, and you find this acceptable. You have condemned them.



As for using name-calling as a last resort, you just called me a child. Grow up and learn to live in reality.

Ninjiz, you hit it right on the nose.



I'd like to see hypercoyote360 choose to be physically attracted to the same sex, or children, or animals, or whatever. Not just choose to act that way - actually choose to exhibit a biological arousal in response to them.



THAT is why it is NOT a choice - your BIOLOGY responds to members of [group X]. The choice is how you choose to act as a result of the biology.

@FreePlay - because you obviously didn't. Pedophilia is not always molestation. Obvsiouly I don't agree with it in any form, but there are pedophiles who have sex with CONSENTING children. Who's to say they should be stopped from doing so? Heck, who's to say they can't be married? There has to be some line drawn or some guide for our morals, and for me that is the Bible.



As for Judeo-Christian based laws, you have google, why don't you go out and find them if you actually care to know? But here's a start: http://www.reformed.org/webfiles/antithesis/v2n2/ant_v2n2_law.html



As far as christianity and whether people go to hell or not: Yes, the Bible teaches that those who have not accepted Christ go to hell. It's not a matter of converting people, its a matter of atonement. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, sin seperated each person from God and thus all WERE condemned to go to hell. But God also provided a way for us to not go to Hell and it's pretty simple, just accept Jesus's sacrifice, believe in Him and be baptized for the remission of your sins to seal the deal. That's all in the Bible. So now why, other than pride, would someone not do this? Because they don't agree with it? Can you really complain for being cast into Hell when the ticket out of there was in front of your nose the entire time? God doesn't expect us to be perfect, but He does expect us to accept what He provided and turn back to Him. Do I still screw up, of course, but I don't intentionally sin. I still have the desire to sin, but I CHOOSE not to. By not choosing to accept Jesus, people condemn themselves. If someone offers you a get out of jail free card and you don't take it, how can you complain when they throw you in prison?



And I apologize if you were offended by my remark. If you re-read it, I simply said name-calling was a child's last resort. Apparently you decided you fit that criteria and thus applied it to yourself.



@Ninjiz - Yes, they are the same choices. Again, not all pedophilia is rape or molestation, there are documented cases where young children have willingly had sex with older adults. Please read my response above. Already the movement is going on for a push to allow pedophiles to legally have sex with minors, assuming there is consent of course (I provided a link to this already). So you're telling me you will deny them that? If both child and adult consent, how can you argue against it if you argue for homosexuality?



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First of all, let's assume it is biology. Then the choice would be not acting on those feelings. Of course the only reason why you would do that is because you believe it to be wrong.



I'm not going to spend another 10 minutes looking for scientific studies for you when you obviously aren't reading any of the links I send you, but I can guarantee that anyone can be swayed to be gay or straight. Let a straight man spend a year looking at gay porn and then ask him if he is turned on by it. In fact, how do you explain adults who suddenly find they they are gay one day? You're telling me their biology just suddently kicked in one day?



Folks, I can tell you you're not going to change my mind on this. Believe it or not, I've done a lot of reading on these arguments and I have had them before. The truth is, I'm not going to change your mind on anything unless you are actually interested in learning the truth. So long as you sit around and believe everything the news tells you, you're not going to see the truth. If you REALLY are ABSOLUTELY sure you believe what you believe, then I dare you to look up scientific studies on homosexuality. ALL of them, both for and against the argument. Otherwise I can tell you stuff till I'm blue in the face and you will always come back at me with why I'm wrong. Hopefully though, someone out there will read this and be challenged to do a little more digging into it.

the girl has one thing right...you should be banned if your voice reaches a certain pitch or automatically be muted. those little kids do not belong on XBL.



and go on girl be gay im all for you SUE THE PISS OUT OF MICROSOFT!!!

No, the good thing about gay and lesbian people is that they DONT CONTRIBUTE TO THE ALREADY OVERPOPULATED PLANET.

Gay people should be slaughtered by the thousands.