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Molyneux: PlayStation Move not as big a step as Natal

Posted Mar 12, 2010 at 9:43AM EST by Karl B.

Listed in: PS3, Xbox 360 Tags: Microsoft, Peter Molyneux, playstation move, Project Natal, Sony, xbox 360 titles

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With the PlayStation Move now fully revealed, practically everyone (gamers anyway) and his mother has something to say about it. Lionhead boss Peter Molyneux thinks it's a step forward for Sony, but not as big a step as Microsoft's Natal is. Here's what he told Eurogamer:

We’re not really surprised, are we? I mean, at E3 last year we saw they were having a wand, and that’s kind of what I expected. It looks like they’ve taken a step forward but it’s not as big a step as something like Natal, I don’t think. This is purely me talking personally, but I think maybe it’s slightly more a device for the core than it is for the casual market, because I think it’s quite precise.

Molyneux also expressed some misgivings about how the Move and the Wii remote could end up confusing consumers unfamiliar with the whole motion control race.

As a designer it's another one of those things I'd love to get my hands on and to play around with. As a consumer, everyone's talking about motion control now - I mean, I'm starting to get confused. It's kind of like the arms race, with the Wii MotionPlus and now the Sony Move and now I'm getting kind of confused.

Before you write him off as just another sycophantic Microsoft lackey, Molyneux did have something interesting to say about the motion control devices the big three are putting out. Basically, it's not the hardware, it's the software.

To be honest, it's all down to what us poor old designers do with this stuff, because all these guys do is make the hardware. Whether we utilise that hardware in a real way or whether we just take shortcuts, that's really going to be where we succeed or not.

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"This is purely me talking personally, but I think maybe it’s slightly more a device for the core than it is for the casual market, because I think it’s quite precise."

I'm still not sure which Molyneux was talking about here. Natal? Move?

I agree with his comment that it was up to devs to squeeze every bit of greatness out of any piece of hardware though.

+1 # .... — Silver-Tiger 2010-03-12 11:43

At least he isn't talking PR Bullshit. He gives personal opinion. I like that.
But this sentence is just stupid:
"with the Wii MotionPlus and now the Sony Move and now I'm getting kind of confused."

He really gets confused with just two Motion controllers?

# . — Guest 2010-03-12 11:47

I'm sure he's referring to the fact that they are pretty much identical in terms of look, except for the big ugly ball of course, and functionality.

-6 # . — Guest 2010-03-12 11:44

Move is basically a wii remote, nunchuck, motion plus and playstation eye. Natal is something completely new.

+5 # Completely... — Guest 2010-03-12 13:12

Yeah...Completely

Like the Eyetoy...

+5 # RE: . — Guest 2010-03-12 13:53

Completely new? sorry buddy all it is, is a playstation eye on steriods. nothing completely new, just better function.

+2 # Natal is ripoff of Playstation eye — Guest 2010-03-12 15:08

nope natal is not new, Sony came up with the PlayStation eye that involved no controllers a couple years back. and of course that didnt go 2 well.

# RE: . — Guest 2010-03-15 03:26

Natal - play on it for a few months like playstation eye, then never used for gaming again

+1 # Natal sucks — Guest 2010-03-12 11:58

Im sorry but Natal is going to BOMB! Nobody wants to use a camera for everything. I will go play some crappy Totem Ball for that. The PS Move looks amazing. Natal will make you look like a tard in front of the screen.

# :3 — Guest 2010-03-12 13:20

You do realize that Playstation Move requires a camera as well, right? The whole 1:1 movement for it is promising but so far, the Move has lag input issues and most if not all games look like party games.

That's not to say that Natal is any better.

+3 # .... — Silver-Tiger 2010-03-12 16:07

You haven't played with yet. You can't tell if the lag is really an issue. And it's still in development. If it really gets a problem, they can still fix it.

-5 # REALLY? — XcN3 2010-03-12 21:38

the only one that will look like a retard will be you...holding that ugly wand that looks like a black dick with the cock out!...and ina ddiontion to that...lokking faggish

+1 # ... — TheRockness 2010-03-13 10:41

Quoting XcN3:

the only one that will look like a retard will be you...holding that ugly wand that looks like a black dick with the cock out!...and ina ddiontion to that...lokking faggish

So many questions for this comment fail.

So does the cock have a dick? Or is the dick a cock? Is the black cock out or is the dick out?

So what you're saying is you like black guys... right?

+1 # Proven — Guest 2010-03-12 12:06

Let's wait and see how well Natal really works and what revolutionary software materializes. Peter works for MS so what do you expect him to say? At least Move is based on a proven technology. Not much to go wrong there other than an upgrade in visuals and gameply from the Wii.

+1 # Natal VS SONY MOVE — Guest 2010-03-12 12:16

From my view of the both product, the NATAL is nothing but a camera, while the Sony Move has the camera (playstation eye) plus the two motion control. So isn't sony ahead? I mean Natal is just like the Playstation Eye when the PS2 came out, not much people knew about it and its their first project. The Sony Move is pretty much sony's second phase in the development of motion control/motion capture.

+4 # RE: Molyneux: PlayStation Move not as big a step as Natal — AithePanda 2010-03-12 12:20

all i can say about the Natal and the Move is...that if the market is full of people who play MW2 or BFBC2 dare I say the Hardcore gamers are the larger Audience than the kids, it ain't going to sell well. Motion Games are kind of boring in my opinion, i would say the eyetoy already had what natal is supposed to do, didn't sell well, might be bad marketing but whatever, everyone is stuck in the controller age so idk about how they'll sell or hopefully they put their mind in the future consoles. i want realism in console gaming!

maybe in the (far!)future games can be made where you stand in a moveable floor (to stay in place) and holographic gaming, pretty much i'm saying like the movie Gamer or close to that

-1 # RE: Molyneux: PlayStation Move not as big a step as Natal — Guest 2010-03-12 13:56

all the motion plus is an add on the the wiimote should have had in the beginning because all it is, is an accelerometer....wait isnt that what the sixaxis had all along?

+1 # RE: Molyneux: PlayStation Move not as big a step as Natal — Guest 2010-03-12 14:07

He must be confused easily since every mand, woman, and dog knows that Sony makes the hardware and the best software with their first party studios...so even if "those poor ol 3rd party devs" drop the ball, Sony has a backup of about 50 studios under their wing. M$ on the other hand will solely depend on 3rd party devs since they have the worst console business model since well Sega lol. Don't release a system for the long term without a guarantee that you have the best devs working on exclusive titles to sell your hardware. Only reason it is a race right now is due to the 1 year headstart, nothing in their business model has made them take a big lead, like the Wii.

# . — Musev 2010-03-12 18:29

Quote:

Only reason it is a race right now is due to the 1 year headstart,

Thats not strictly true. they also know how to market and buy status... but yeah, its certainly nothing to do with them having the best console

+2 # PS Eye + Move = Better — Guest 2010-03-12 14:41

sigh* sony can just release a firmware update and im sure it can do the exact same thing as the natal. of course its gonna use the ps3s superior hardware.

# so... — JOshISPoser 2010-03-12 16:00

wiimote=move and pseye=natal
let's see what actually failed more...the pseye. so, i would say sony is smarter going with a proven system that people connect to.
i mean, menus and everything but in game i can see being a bitch with natal...i need something physical.

+1 # Engineer point of view — Guest 2010-03-12 16:17

Since PSMove is a controller with a lot of sensors on it, the camera works as one more sensor, that way, they can show a lot of precision without almost any lag because the processing isn't mainly over image recognition. In the other hand, Natal is going to explode in the face of microsoft, the reason is very simple. Because marketing reasons, they removed the independant processor from Natal hardware and al the power will be brought to the xbox processor. Bad Idea, I can bet you the engineers screamed with this, but Marketing people is the boss. What's gonna happen? Just: If there is a lot of people (2 more)in your game-room, if somebody gets up from the sofa, leaves hot there, and everybady couses hot, the lights couses hot, reflexes couses hot, and all that is received by the infrared of the Natal, so The current lag of 10-30 miliseconds (that is very large by my opinion, due tracking of body without a point of reference like PSMove) will rise to the heaven! because all the calculations to determine which source of hot is the one playing, clean it and fix it. And the worse!, as the xbox processor will have to deal with all that job, what's gonna happend with a game with all the variables of a, for example, Gears of War, the answer is: UNPLAYABLE LAG or WORSE GAME EXPERIENCE, because the XBOX processor will be shared for both things. I can tell you, in a common game-room, where your mother passes behind you, your sister is next to you, there is a couple of light sources and light-reflex sources. With games (I mean real games, not stupid ball lounching-catching things, I mean "a little funny" games) the Lag of the Natal could go up to 2 or 3 seconds!. And also the game experience will fall because the games can't be made with all the functionallity of today, think in Worse AI, Worse Phisics, Worse everything!. So I surely won't bet to the Natal. Even more, I'm sure they will pass it to the next year or it will cost more than 150 dollars. Just imagine the Kids saying "MOM don't walk in the room becaouse you f*k my game experience!" or "Sister! get ouf of that sofa because i can't play my games with you there!"

# RE: Engineer point of view — XcN3 2010-03-12 21:47

Quoting saiyan:

Since PSMove is a controller with a lot of sensors on it, the camera works as one more sensor, that way, they can show a lot of precision without almost any lag because the processing isn't mainly over image recognition. In the other hand, Natal is going to explode in the face of microsoft, the reason is very simple. Because marketing reasons, they removed the independant processor from Natal hardware and al the power will be brought to the xbox processor. Bad Idea, I can bet you the engineers screamed with this, but Marketing people is the boss. What's gonna happen? Just: If there is a lot of people (2 more)in your game-room, if somebody gets up from the sofa, leaves hot there, and everybady couses hot, the lights couses hot, reflexes couses hot, and all that is received by the infrared of the Natal, so The current lag of 10-30 miliseconds (that is very large by my opinion, due tracking of body without a point of reference like PSMove) will rise to the heaven! because all the calculations to determine which source of hot is the one playing, clean it and fix it. And the worse!, as the xbox processor will have to deal with all that job, what's gonna happend with a game with all the variables of a, for example, Gears of War, the answer is: UNPLAYABLE LAG or WORSE GAME EXPERIENCE, because the XBOX processor will be shared for both things. I can tell you, in a common game-room, where your mother passes behind you, your sister is next to you, there is a couple of light sources and light-reflex sources. With games (I mean real games, not stupid ball lounching-catching things, I mean "a little funny" games) the Lag of the Natal could go up to 2 or 3 seconds!. And also the game experience will fall because the games can't be made with all the functionallity of today, think in Worse AI, Worse Phisics, Worse everything!. So I surely won't bet to the Natal. Even more, I'm sure they will pass it to the next year or it will cost more than 150 dollars. Just imagine the Kids saying "MOM don't walk in the room becaouse you f*k my game experience!" or "Sister! get ouf of that sofa because i can't play my games with you there!"

DO NOT WORRY...they have all this in mind..they are as no reatrd to not thinking about it...
But I agree with you in the fact that removing the built in cpu.. is a bad idea and can result in crappy wii-like games.

+1 # ... — TheRockness 2010-03-12 16:42

Looking like a street mime isn't my idea of fun. If I'm playing a racing game I don't want to feel like I'm working for tips.

I liken this argument to the iPhone vs PSP argument. Are there games that work great on iPhone that wouldn't do so well on PSP? The answer is yes. However, some things simply must have tangible controls because the real life things they are mimicking are also tangible.

Natal will be about as cool as the meal scene from Hook. Which I admit was kinda cool. RU-FI-OOO!!

# RE: Molyneux: PlayStation Move not as big a step as Natal — Guest 2010-03-12 17:25

Natal is just for the casual market, hardcore gamers (which make up the majority of 360 owners) will not want this. Move is for hardcore players which is what the PS3 consists mostly of... Looks to like Sony has the upper hand here.

-2 # Morons — Guest 2010-03-12 22:28

Natal is nothing like the fucking Eyetoy. That was basically just a webcam, maybe if you sony fanboys would have actually watched the e3 press conference or read anything about it you would know Natal is much more than just a camera. It's like comparing bluray and dvd, sure they both play movies but they are not the same thing. It's more like comparing a wii remote without motion plus to one with it. The eyetoy can recognize movement but the motion plus gave it precision. Bottom line there's no way to pass judgment on either till they are released so why speculate and argue about them now.

+1 # I Hope — Guest 2010-03-13 02:19

really hope sony patents playstation eye or any type of eyetoy.. i may sound like a fanboy (well i am 1) but i really hate microsoft for patenting in-game music...

# is that a joke? — davidg 2010-03-13 03:06

Natal is an overhyped eye-toy... I'm not saying the playstation move is great, it's a copy of the wii-mote. Still, sony's "move" is better, since a lot of 3rd party devs will simply port in HD their games on the ps3 to squeeze the maximum out of the games already done. We'll see a big list of games for the PS move. Natal on the other end, is like saying to everybody: This is revolutionnary, buy one and you're at the top! While in realy, it's an eye-toy with a carpet, that does... the same as the eye-toy without the carpet, but more precise (in theory)... yeah, wow, what a revolution. The wii was a revolution (like it's past nickname). Anyway, natal is total crap, and I won't buy either the move nor natal personnally. If you want something for your girl, buy the PS move or a wii, and it's gonna be good for you. Natal will surely gather dust, and she'll probably trash the ugly carpet...

# RE: Molyneux: PlayStation Move not as big a step as Natal — Guest 2010-03-13 16:55

considering ms has ubesoft backing them it will work. maybe they will rerelease rayman raving rabbids. or release a patch for it to replace the vision support

# all i can say is..... — ksoma 2010-03-13 21:21

"ever wondered what the bottom of an avatar's shoe looks like? well BAM there it is!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXN7vLPsDSM

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