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Microsoft: 'Gay' still not allowed on XBL profiles -- except Gay Tony, he cool

Posted Jun 16, 2009 at 1:33PM EST by Mabie A.

Listed in: Xbox 360 Tags: John Schappert, Microsoft, xbox 360 titles

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Didn't you find it even just remotely curious that Microsoft allowed a game harboring the word "gay" in its title, and yet at the same time they refuse to allow their Xbox Live users from even hinting that they're gay in their profiles? The game referred to above would be Grand Theft Auto: The Ballad of Gay Tony, and their answer to the gay profiles remains to be a no.

Even me, no?

Coursing a question via Kotaku's Stephen Totilo, a fan asked how Microsoft "reconcile the fall offering of [Gay Tony] with the fact that [they] still don't let gamers mention their sexual orientation in their Xbox Live profiles or use the term gay in their Gamertag."

Replied VP of XBL software and services, John Schappert, "I think the two are very separate issues." He furthered:

That said, [Stephen] Toulouse continues to work with our team and we continue to look for ways for people to personally express themselves and you can look for more features coming to Xbox Live, but nothing to announce right now. They're working on some stuff and the community has been very involved. We try to walk the fine line where we do the right thing to allow people to express themselves but not have it be taken overboard.

So will we be seeing professions of gayness on XBL anytime soon? Most probably not for a while. But Schappert did say that "we are working on that issue."

Via Kotaku

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IF MICROSOFT DOESNT WANT PEOPLE STATING THAT THEY ARE GAY OR LESBIAN OR TRANSEXUAL BISEXUAL ITS A GOOD THING THIS IS XBOX LIVE NOT A PORN SITE OR MYSPACE OR FACE BOOK WE PLAY GAMES HERE WITH KIDS OF ALL AGES AND NOBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHO OR WHAT YOU HAVE SEX WITH IF U WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT U DO BEHIND CLOSED DOORS DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE

# I'm with MS on this — Master Chef 2009-06-16 15:36

Sorry, I don't take XBL seriously at all and have no problem with homos, but I don't want to read some guy's profile in which he goes into detail about he likes men.

It's not damaging at all, it simply isn't necessary on XBL. Big difference.

# Sticks and stones maybe break your bones — Navani 2009-06-16 15:49

but knowing someone's orientation doesn't (shouldn't) bother anyone. I don't care what people put in their profile.. People say they don't want to "see that crap" or whatever in profiles, but have they read other people's profiles? Just the other day I saw "I'M B1GGG@@@@@@@" on a profile. I don't want to see that crap but I keep my mouth shut. And yes, he missed the exclamation mark.

# wow — jrsmaster411 2009-06-16 15:52

u guys are a bunch of homophobes, would you also get offended if some straight guy wrote I just got back from a date with my girlfriend, should he be banned. How does knowing a guy is gay diminish your xbl experience. Microsoft needs to get over their sexual insecurity, I think their the gay ones here.

# lol — Master Chef 2009-06-16 16:00

I don't know if he should be banned but he should be laughed at for trying to be cool on the internet

# this is such a stupid issue — symbyosis 2009-06-16 16:29

Why is someone saying they're gay so important on their profile? I don't say i like big tits on mine. I think they should stop crying about it. Its not that important when you're playing video games whether you like ***** or not. You're out to have FUN, not make an issue of anyone's sexuality, including your own. Like I said I don't put " I Like Big tits" on my profile, how would a parent react to it? If a couple people are annoyed at the strict Terms of Service of live, you have 1 other option, play without live.Your profile can say gay,homo,queer, whatever you want, cause its not covered by the terms of service.

# The issue isn't about every gay person registering themselves as such — GodShiru 2009-06-16 16:49

It's about the freedom of expression gays deserve, just as much as us straight people. If they want to mention their sexuality, they should darn well have the right to do it. Besides, sexual orientation isn't only about sex, it's about feelings.

Oh, and kids have a much higher chance of being killed in a plane crash than being hurt about someone else's sex life. People should stop treading over other people's free speech in the name of protecting children who don't give a crap about anything.

# @ Master Chef — HIDEO KOJIMA 2009-06-16 16:57

Then don't read it. If a guy windmills his c*ck in front of your face, are you just gonna sit there and look at it until he leaves? Because that's what it sounds like you are going to do.

As for me, I don't give a f*ck if the other person is gay or lesbian. The only people that annoy me on XBL are the people who ***** when they lose or those who like to screw the whole game up for everybody by messing around. Those people can be anybody.

# free speech — Orlyeh 2009-06-16 17:31

Doesn't apply to private (yes, in spite of what you may think, XBL is private) forums. I, and many others, pay our $50 per year for our XBL memberships, and if the majory - perhaps even just a vocal majority oppose open sexual orientation displays, then that's our right as a consumer to to choose to buy or not. Microsoft's right as a vendor is to produce a product which it thinks will appeal to the majority thus being the most profitable.

You have all the free speech in the world, so long as it's in your own private setting or in the public square.

# ... — FreePlay 2009-06-16 17:35

Kids of all ages are gay, too.

# ... — MikeyMike01 2009-06-16 18:02

I'm sick and tired of these gay people that need to shove it in everyone's faces.

*****ing *****s.

# ... — Matt91 2009-06-16 18:07

who the ***** actually reads XBL profiles?

# .. — Musev 2009-06-16 21:04

dont talk crap, theres no hypocricy.

If it wasnt used as an insult so much it would probably be ok and alot of gays are as much to blame as the homophobes.

there is no need to state your sexuality on a gaming network unless maybe asked by someone.

Your not there to ***** you're there to play games.

# ... — Musev 2009-06-16 21:09

"u guys are a bunch of homophobes, would you also get offended if some straight guy wrote I just got back from a date with my girlfriend, should he be banned. How does knowing a guy is gay diminish your xbl experience. Microsoft needs to get over their sexual insecurity, I think their the gay ones here. "

No but I would think it would be un-nesseceary to make sure people know you're hetrosexual.

people are to quick to jump on the pc bandwagon

"oh noes someones saying something possibly controversial about gays, better make sure Im shown not to be a homophobe"

# .. — Musev 2009-06-16 21:16

" Besides, sexual orientation isn't only about sex, it's about feelings."

Lmao, someones been sucessfully brainwashed

sex is really ONLY for reproduction (yes, gays cant do this which is why its really a mental disability, thats not meant as an insultm, its just true unless being gay is a choise)

sex is about feelings lmfao, what a load of crap

# normally i agree — rollypoly 2009-06-16 21:35

be who you are, but don't scream it in my face...

the thing is i have been a XBL user since the beta, and i haven't read one single profile that isn't one of my friends.

if you can't handle the answer, don't ask the question... and that is exactly what people do when they read profiles, they want to know more about someone. if you don't want to see it, don't look.

# . — Solid Snicker 2009-06-16 23:11

hahahaha 'windmill hos c*ck' haha that made me laugh.

i'm not bothered by the whole Gay thing to be honest, i see alot of crazy stuff in people's profiles all the time, i see some funny gamertags too.

If someone wrote 'I'm gay and like 5 d*cks in my mouth at once' i would probably frown upon that.

But if someone wrote 'Hi, i'm a 26 year old Gay male from wherever' then i probably wouldn't care.

But to be honest the guy would probably just get ripped on 24/7 for being gay. Especially since abusing people over xbl is so easy.

# ... — 73N5H1 2009-06-17 02:14

personally, I think people are too *****ing sensitive now days. If something bothers you so much, don't expose yourself to it... this doesn't just go for profiles, this goes for music, movies, games, whatever. I think people should be able to put whatever they want in their profiles. I can understand why people might want to put their sexuality in their info though... maybe they're looking for people of the same sexuality to play games with. I know I have a lot more fun playing a game when I'm playing with like-minded people.

And last I checked, the word gay wasn't a curse word or scarring/damaging in any way, so I don't understand X-box's decision. In short, ***** censorship

# ... — 73N5H1 2009-06-17 02:20

sexuality doesn't necessarily reference sex... would you agree that you can be gay and be a virgin? And like freeplay said, kids of all ages are gay. If anything, I think it would be beneficial to a kid to see that there are other people as well as people their age that share the same mentality. Being gay can be hard for a person in today's world with homophobia and discrimination, I think it'd be good for kids (both gay and straight) to be exposed to all walks of life a bit earlier rather than being sheltered and becoming homophobic later in life when they find out that everyone in life isn't exactly like them.

# @Musev — 73N5H1 2009-06-17 02:29

that's easy to say when you're the majority... you can pick any group of random guys to game with and 9 times out of 10, they'll all be straight...

it'd be like you putting that you're from < insert city here > and then me saying:

"I would think it would be un-nesseceary(love the spelling by the way) to make sure people know you're not from < your city >"

well of course it would, because its not the same thing. There are a LOT of people that DON'T live in your city but quite a few less that do... same concept.

and your last comment isn't funny, some of us actually have opinions believe it or not and could care less about what people think. If I were a homophobe, I'd post my thoughts the same as I am now, but as it turns out, I actually have a little more intelligence than that.

# True — hypercoyote360 2009-06-17 02:30

lol, good point. Personally I'm wondering why QJ is obsessed with this issue. I guess it generates comments and interaction.....

# ... — 73N5H1 2009-06-17 02:41

@symbyosis:

saying "I like big tits" is a big step away from saying "I'm gay"

@Orlyeh:

keep in mind that those people are paying members as well. I suppose their $50 doesn't matter to you. And I'm sure the majority would agree that its not a big *****ing deal.

@Musev:

What a *****ing idiot you are, of course its not only about sex you moron. I know plenty of gay people that have never had sex. Is being heterosexual just about having sex to you? If it is, then you really are an idiot.

And FYI, if sex were only about reproduction, then condoms wouldn't exist... your comments are just moronic... and he didn't say sex is about feelings, he said sexuality isn't only about sex.

# ... — 73N5H1 2009-06-17 02:45

how is putting anything in their personal profiles "screaming it in your face"?

personally, I'm tired of small-minded idiots throwing their stupidity in everyone's faces.

# 73N5H1 — Teivin 2009-06-17 03:29

(Love your lack of proper punctuation, grammar and sentence structure.)

In the end, sexual preference really has no place in a videogame community. People seem to think it does, but it doesn't.

I'm not going to go out and make a white power, black power, or whatever else gaming community.

I'm not going to go out and try to do a latino only game matches.

I'm not going to seek out people to play L4D with based on their eye color.

Microsoft made the right decision here. People are welcome to whatever sexual preferences they desire and I support them fully on the matter, but in a service dedicated to game matchmaking, it isn't an issue that needs to be a part of the equation. People are immature and it'll simply become an issue that'll have to be dealt with.

# WOW MOST BIASED QJ POST EVER — projectionist 2009-06-17 04:26

First of all - gays are allowed on Xbox LIVE. Your post title is misleading and erroneous and you know it.

Secondly, gays are not allowed to state their sexual orientation on Xbox LIVE, true. But guess what? NEITHER ARE STRAIGHTS! It's equal for EVERYONE! *gasp*

This "news story" is just Microsoft-hate fuel, and you know it, Mabie. You should seriously get over yourself.

# yeah — leq 2009-06-17 06:26

I agree, the title of this article is extremely misleading.

# projectionist is right — symbyosis 2009-06-17 07:56

if a gay person has the right to say they're gay...I should be able to put in my profile "I like tight vaginas, big breasts and blondes" hey its MY sexuality. I think they should stop complaining, no one's putting STRAIGHT on their profiles to show they are straight, so why should someone put "gay" in their profile. Seriously do you see how stupid the arguement is? The profile was designed for you to say your name, where you're from, what games you play. not hey i like *****/vagina. W/E grow up if you want to be an infant about it.

# More girls for me HAHAHA! — icypsp 2009-06-17 07:59

filthy homos are alwasy going around struttin and crap, rubing the fact that they are f@gz in everybodys face. Its annoying. IDK if they like that, theyt need to STFU and stop throwing it in everybodies face lmao. But seriously nobody cares quit making it a big deal stupid f@gz. I dont wanna play video games wit no lame.

# ha ha — matster101 2009-06-17 08:30

This is lame first off anyone who has strong hatred towards homos are either closet homos are victims of molestation. Ha ha thats another story but quite honestly someones sexual prefrence does not offend me. Truthfully a normal straight person doesn't put that they love eating ***** or sucking tities in their profile. Usually people who mention about male genitalia or either perverts themselves or just simply messing around to piss off those noobs on cod ha ha.

# @GodShiru — Relys 2009-06-17 08:39

In this case "gays don't deserve freedom of expression as much as straight people", because the same limits apply to heterosexuals.

There is simply no reason to state sexual orientation of any kind on Xbox Live.

Don't try this feminist double standards bull***** on us.

# I've change my gamer tag... — poopoopilot 2009-06-17 09:05

a few times now. Originally it was FelineHIV, then it was CatAIDS, now we're on CatHIV. When that gets banned it will be GiraffeAIDS, RinoHerpes, OtterHIV or anything else vaguely implying bestiality.

This is why I'm not suprised in the least that MS got it's panties in a bunch over "gay" in tags.

# I sent a request to the QJ staff — projectionist 2009-06-17 09:11

Not like they'll do anything about it, but here it is:

--------------------------------------------

Please remove this article:

http://xbox360.qj.net/Microsoft-Gays-still-not-allowed-on-XBL-except-Gay-Tony-he-cool/pg/49/aid/132220

-Gays are allowed on Xbox LIVE. The title of the article is erroneous.

-Gays cannot state sexual orientation on their profile. That is true. However, straights cannot either. It's equal for everyone.

This article is clearly just biased fuel to ramp up the views and comments as well as exacerbate hate against Microsoft.

Please exercise good virtues and remove the article. It is clearly erroneous.

# Bull*****, queerbait — poopoopilot 2009-06-17 09:25

Ellen Degeneres was the first XBOXer to get beat by this.

I personally have reported (and friended) people who had religious information in their profile only to enjoy watching them have to change their gamer tags. Apologies to the guys named LDSMormon1 and LDSMormon2, but there's no mormanism in the COGs.

Straight people have been bit by this also. The official MS comment is that XBL is not a dating service. Frankly, I agree.

If you want to do something about it, find someone saying "ALLAH" in their profile, friend them, and file an abuse report. Then casually mention that MS is discriminating against Muslims. When the ACLU gets involved you can laugh all the way to the bank.

# I work for Microsoft — poopoopilot 2009-06-17 09:32

We have an official anti-gay policy. We're on the fence about Jews, that will probably come sometime next month after the maintenance window which will be announced shortly. You'll get a message in your gamer tag's inbox.

If you feel strongly about this you should send an e-mail to support@xbox.com and I will be glad to send you a copy.

# QJ article + Biased and unfair — projectionist 2009-06-17 09:35

Please remove this article:

http://xbox360.qj.net/Microsoft-Gays-still-not-allowed-on-XBL-except-Gay-Tony-he-cool/pg/49/aid/132220

-Gays are allowed on Xbox LIVE. The title of the article is erroneous.

-Gays cannot state sexual orientation on their profile. That is true. However, straights cannot either. It's equal for everyone.

This article is clearly just biased fuel to ramp up the views and comments as well as exacerbate hate against Microsoft.

Please exercise good virtues and remove the article. It is clearly erroneous.

# 73N5H1 — Orlyeh 2009-06-17 12:06

"I suppose their $50 doesn't matter to you."

Red herring argument. I've already mentioned that I - AND OTHERS - pay our $50 a year. Some of those who pay are gay, and some are straight.

What matters is that Microsoft perceives that it is earning sufficient profit using the current approach towards sexuality regardless of orientation.

Frankly, I don't care what others do with their money, and they don't care what I do with mine.

# ... — Speed 2009-06-17 15:51

I completely agree with projectionist. It is equal for everyone, straights can't say they're straight and gay's can't say they're gay.

And the reason they aren't allowing this is because of people like icypsp who find it humorous to make fun of homosexuals. Do you somehow feel better about yourself because you wrote *****s "f@gz"? Does that make you a better person? No. Self-censoring people like you think your better than everyone else when it makes no difference. And homosexuals don't go around strutting it out telling the world they are gay. But heterosexuals do that. Heterosexuals will do anything to prove that they are straight and not gay.

You also can't put your religious beliefs in your profile.

# You are forgetting that stating your heterosexuality on XBL is permitted. — GodShiru 2009-06-17 16:06

So, your argument is moot. If you can say you like people of the opposite gender, gay people can say they like people of their own gender.

Feminist? I'm a straight male. Defending the gays' rights doesn't make a woman nor a gay guy. Guess it shows how narrow minded anonymous internet trolls can be.

# EPIC ANALOGY FAIL — FreePlay 2009-06-17 18:17

"In the end, sexual preference really has no place in a videogame community. People seem to think it does, but it doesn't.

I'm not going to go out and make a white power, black power, or whatever else gaming community.

I'm not going to go out and try to do a latino only game matches.

I'm not going to seek out people to play L4D with based on their eye color.

Microsoft made the right decision here. People are welcome to whatever sexual preferences they desire and I support them fully on the matter, but in a service dedicated to game matchmaking, it isn't an issue that needs to be a part of the equation."

Except that NOBODY EVER SAID IT HAS TO BE PART OF THE EQUATION.

We're talking about a company that promoted the use of gamer pics based on POLITICAL PARTIES. Clearly THESE have nothing to do with gaming, but THEY WERE ALLOWED.

If someone wants to mention in their profile that they're gay, it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH MATCHMAKING OR SETTING UP GAMES. And nobody's claiming that they're trying to set up a gay-only community. That's a massive straw man.

# Not a dating service — FreePlay 2009-06-17 18:20

But clearly a political party organizational service, seeing how they promoted Republican, Democrat, Obama, and McCain gamer pics.

# SO! — icypsp 2009-06-17 21:53

besides just how gay people constantly throw the fact that they are gay in peoples face and on the news. Here is QJ throwing this crappy article in our face. Always trying to make a huge statement. So i wrote what i had to write. Why try to make it peoples business. Who tha F/k cares. Quit talkn about it. That is what gets on my nerves about those people and crappy articles such as this. This has nothing to do with video games or awesome homebrew!!! Why gay people always tryna make a point, i thought they wanted to be considered the same. Well i guess they obviously know theyre not since they keep creating huge issues.

Dont ask dont tell STFU!!! They the ones making it the issue!

it is a issue because they f/k'd up in the head but its not an issue that really matters for the world. if you ask me i smell a skapegoat! Every time they bring that up people forget about what really matters the most!

# Well... — projectionist 2009-06-18 05:12

...at least QJ changed the title of the article from "Microsoft: Gays still not allowed on XBL" to "Microsoft: Gay still not allowed on XBL profiles."

# it's not — rollypoly 2009-06-18 09:27

i was stating my normal approach to other displays of "gay pride", like parades and such...

if you had read the rest of my reply you might of understood that.

# Teivin — 73N5H1 2009-06-18 09:54

Thanks, I intentionally screwed up the sentence structure just so you'd have something to grasp onto when your argument failed.

(by the way, there was nothing wrong with my grammar for the record)

# @Orlyeh — 73N5H1 2009-06-18 10:07

how is that a red herring argument when first, it is completely relevent to what you said and second, YOU'RE the one that introduced it.

My entire point was that everyone else is paying their fee as well and your opinion is no more valid than theirs... Last I heard, it was never put to a vote. If I own a restaurant and say black people can't come in, I'd get my ass sued, regardless of the fact that it was private or not... same thing would go for any store, club, etc. While XBL may be privately owned, it is a public service and is, therefore, subject to the same laws as any privately owned public establishment.

# rollypoly — 73N5H1 2009-06-18 10:08

I did, it was directed at mikeymike, not you.

# ... — FreePlay 2009-06-19 00:31

Let's rewrite that, shall we? Just to show you how goddamn stupid it is.

besides just how black people constantly throw the fact that they are black in peoples face and on the news. Here is QJ throwing this crappy article in our face. Always trying to make a huge statement. So i wrote what i had to write. Why try to make it peoples business. Who tha F/k cares. Quit talkn about it. That is what gets on my nerves about those people and crappy articles such as this. This has nothing to do with video games or awesome homebrew!!! Why black people always tryna make a point, i thought they wanted to be considered the same. Well i guess they obviously know theyre not since they keep creating huge issues.

Dont ask dont tell STFU!!! They the ones making it the issue!

it is a issue because they f/k'd up in the head but its not an issue that really matters for the world. if you ask me i smell a skapegoat! Every time they bring that up people forget about what really matters the most!

# you LAME!!! — icypsp 2009-06-20 17:59

HAHAHAHA you just mad because you fall in the (f/k'd up in the head) category.

you can try to switch it up on black people all you want to, youre just mad because what i said was true. Nobody likes gays haha who wants to be around them NOBODY! People dont even want to play video games with them! look at that picture of the f@gg in the article. He a dude but he wanna be a girl and date dudes. GTFO! Everything is wrong with that, and if you cant see thats something is wrong with that picture then got he11 because that is where you and all the other f@gz and lezbos will spend all eternity after they finish a life of sin!!!

HAHA PS. im Asian B1Tch!!! Deal with it!

# LOL — FreePlay 2009-06-29 11:42

There is no hell, you ignorant *****.

# oh well... — icypsp 2009-06-30 12:01

you a F@G

and you just mad because nobody like you!

They dont even want to play online games with you sicko!

HAHA you probably couldnt get a gurl if yo life depended on it, thats why you a F@G HAHAHA just like the rest, and if you not, then you a lame. Your whole life is based on FAIL. Go kill ya'self. Remember at the end of tha day the earth still gunna be moving, church gunna remain, and gays will continue to be looked down on.

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