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Greenberg: Web browsing on a TV is a poor experience

Posted Mar 31, 2010 at 3:00PM EST by Karl B.

Listed in: PS3, Xbox 360 Tags: Aaron Greenberg, Microsoft, Sony, xbox 360 titles

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Aaron Greenberg has shot down any hope of the Xbox 360 getting an integrated web browser. The Xbox director of product management told Edge recently that the poor internet browsing experience a TV offers is a major deal breaker.

When asked if Xbox 360 users can expect an integrated web browser in the future, Greenberg responded with a terse "No." He then elaborated, "We really believe that the web browsing experience on TV is a poor one, and the real magic is to take those web experiences and optimize them for the living room.

"That's what we did with Netflix. So, sure, you can go on the PS3 and go to Facebook and and try to navigate, but it's an absolute nightmare."

"No disrespect, there's things I love about the PS3, but that's not one of them," Greenberg added. "We want the online experience to be fun and optimised for the living room, and we'll continue to add more applications to get more richness."

Greenberg declined to give any specifics on what these new applications may be.

In this generation of home consoles, the Xbox 360 stands out as the only one without a full-blown web browser. Even the handheld DS and PSP platforms offer this functionality.

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The guy is a clown, "We really believe that the web browsing experience on TV is a poor one"

what the hell is that? what does he think a TV is?? does he somehow think they are different from lcd monitors? It's the system providing the web browser that defines the browsing experience, not the TV.

Does he really believe that people who use a TV instead of a monitor for there PC are some how getting a worse browsing experience than people who do use a monitor?

It's just a half assed excuse for not having a browser, can't believe this guy is employed... at all

-4 # RE: Greenberg: Web browsing on a TV is a poor experience — Guest 2010-03-31 16:40

I cant speak for everyone but I use my computer to browse the internet I use my consoles to play videogames.. there is nothing I wanna see comming from my pc to go onto a 65" tv that'd be just silly .. all my movies are bluray what else can the internet offer and dont tell me porn .. I'd be scared to see a huge ass cooch I dont wanna see the conception of a kid while watching that kind of stuff lol

+3 # RE: Greenberg: Web browsing on a TV is a poor experience — MangoScango 2010-03-31 17:43

Translation:

If Sony can't make a perfect browser, how the hell do you expect us to port IE to the xbox and have it be any good!?

+2 # RE: Greenberg: Web browsing on a TV is a poor experience — TheReaper 2010-03-31 17:50

using the tv to brows the web isn't that great... but its fine when you don't want to boot up your laptop or pc to check somethings... on on another note... its one more thing the ps3 can do that xBox cant.

-1 # lol — Guest 2010-03-31 17:51

so what if its poor experience, IE is poor experience but we still have to install it with windows when we prefer FF or chrome...

+1 # RE: Greenberg: Web browsing on a TV is a poor experience — Guest 2010-03-31 17:59

I honestly agree with him. I think his point more has to do with the difficulty in navigating a standard web browser with a controller. So instead of adding a classic web browser they're going to make different apps for different reasons. Like how facebook and netflix work on the 360.

+2 # ... — Shatterdome 2010-04-01 12:23

Yeah I think that's more what he is referring to as well. However, natal for 360 and move (or laser mouse on couch cushion) for PS3 totally changes that.

Man i'd love to surf the net using natal, like all those "futuristic" interfaces in movies where the UI hovers in the air....

-4 # ... — SPKuja 2010-03-31 18:34

Seriously, what's wrong with using a games console for just that, playing games? If you need to surf the web, use a PC! (Or a Mac, what ever is your forte)

-2 # Try saying that — chessboxer 2010-03-31 19:55

to PlayStation Linux users. They will kill you

-1 # If 360 had a broswer... — Guest 2010-03-31 18:41

this dufus would be saying how great it is.

-1 # RE: Greenberg: Web browsing on a TV is a poor experience — Guest 2010-03-31 18:46

well im using my ps3 browser right now quicker to look on qj using ps3 than going on my pc, so yeah it does have its uses

-1 # Right... — Guest 2010-03-31 18:48

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather browse the web on my PC rather than my PS3 any day; but that doesn't detract from the fact that the PS3 DOES have a browser that I can use. Personally, I don't think the quality of it matters, it's still nice to have.

+1 # RE: Greenberg: Web browsing on a TV is a poor experience — Walo 2010-03-31 18:51

web browsing on an hdtv is mostly the same as browsing in a pc. Now if he's trying to say that console web browsers are not good, then that's another thing.

+5 # RE: Greenberg: Web browsing on a TV is a poor experience — pookiepoo 2010-03-31 19:03

I have my consoles and pcs hooked up to my hdtv never had a problem. I have been browsing on all of them bar the 360 of course.

what I have noticed is that microsoft are having to avoid tripping over themselves alot lately.

they can't put a browser on their system what would be the point of their facebook app and all the other stuff that they brag about when people could just access it from their browsers on the 360.

how could they justify charging for it because they would only have the option of giving it to gold members only anyway.

otherwise non gold members could just access sky player bbc iplayer and all the other stuff that you have to be a gold member to access.

the truth is that they can't add one otherwise their whole system would fall apart. its got nothing to do with tvs (which might i add are often designed to be used as pc monitors aswell).

# yep — rollypoly 2010-03-31 19:14

i must say i've hated using a browser on anything but the dreamcast... and that was almost exclusively for downloading saved games.

even browsing on my 32" hdtv (small by some standards but bigger than the family tv when i was a kid) with my computer, text is almost unreadable without using zoom. once you screw with zoom, the page as a whole gets ugly.

with that said, you stated the only logical reason m$ would not give customers the choice of a proper browser...

# correct — Ricochet__ 2010-04-01 10:37

Quoting pookiepoo:

I have my consoles and pcs hooked up to my hdtv never had a problem. I have been browsing on all of them bar the 360 of course.

what I have noticed is that microsoft are having to avoid tripping over themselves alot lately.

they can't put a browser on their system what would be the point of their facebook app and all the other stuff that they brag about when people could just access it from their browsers on the 360.

how could they justify charging for it because they would only have the option of giving it to gold members only anyway.

otherwise non gold members could just access sky player bbc iplayer and all the other stuff that you have to be a gold member to access.

the truth is that they can't add one otherwise their whole system would fall apart. its got nothing to do with tvs (which might i add are often designed to be used as pc monitors aswell).

that is why they add a pc slot to new tv's, i use my 19' tv as a monitor because it has the option and it is just as good,
this guy is just hoping people are stupid enough to believe it

the other o.s. has been strip'd and looking like browswer is next

# lmao — Guest 2010-03-31 19:06

I love how Greenberg speaks for everyone. The web browser is also used in games for instant access to DLC and web based stats. Didn't talk about that did ya Greenberg? And redtube works great on my ps3. RedTube FTW!!!!!!

+2 # ... — symbal 2010-03-31 19:09

Well 90% of my browsing's done on a 2.8" phone screen so i'd be more than happy to browse on a big screen from a comfy chair because i truly hate sitting on some uncomfortable office chair stuck in a corner with my computer.

+2 # RE: Greenberg: Web browsing on a TV is a poor experience — astaroth001 2010-03-31 20:24

Why is it that this guy instead of focusing saying "Hoe cool their product or service can be or what can they offer"...why he always bash on Sony?...that only shows his lack of professionalism

# This Guy — Guest 2010-03-31 21:16

I dont like this guy.... He thinks its an absolute nihgtmare? You know whats an absolute nightmare, the RROD.

-3 # RE: Greenberg: Web browsing on a TV is a poor experience — ChaosZero112 2010-03-31 21:19

Agreed. I own the PS3 phat and slim. I would much rather boot up my PC then use the built in browser. It's just a poor experience overall.

+1 # hacked party — playstation101 2010-03-31 22:41

they cant put ie browser for some security reasons

PS3 FTW...!

# strange — Ricochet__ 2010-04-01 10:40

Quoting playstation101:

they cant put ie browser for some security reasons

PS3 FTW...!

when i had a problem with my downloads on my psn, i actually asked about the i.e. update, and the woman said "in about a month or two"
i dont know if i missed anything since then, did sony say something about NOT installing i.e?

+2 # RE: Greenberg: Web browsing on a TV is a poor experience — GUNBEHINDTHESUN 2010-03-31 23:04

That's stupid. Right now I am using my PS3's web browser just fine on my 60" 1080p television. Of course the PS3's web browser has it's flaws but I use it most of the time and it does most of the things I need just to web browse. Once you set the settings right and get used to it, you can use it quite well. This guy just wants to make excuses.

# Why? Microsoft, Step Up — Guest 2010-04-01 00:19

Step up microsoft. Instead of coping out on not having a web browser because you believe the experience is not so good. (PS3 i'm looking at you). Make one that is good, better than all the others (good luck, cause IE is s**t.)

+1 # LOL — fearlubu 2010-04-01 00:22

so this is his excuse for being too lazy and money-hungry to integrate a web browser?

and once again taking pathetic cheap shots at Sony lol. I also noticed he said: "No disrespect, there's things I love about the PS3"

wtf? no disprespect? now when have you said anything good about the PS3? Silence you MS whore

+1 # Just Curious — Guest 2010-04-01 01:19

... does anyone still listen to this guy? Does he even listen to himself?

# hope not — Ricochet__ 2010-04-01 10:42

but with downgrades sony been doing, might wanna listen to him just incase he lets something slip

+1 # .... — Guest 2010-04-01 01:54

Come on, guys. This is a non-issue. Browsing the web on consoles vehemently sucks compared to using a proper computer. Period.

It sucks on the PS3,
It sucks on the Wii,
It really sucks on the PSP unless you're only looking at text files,
And it completely sucks on the DS.

Why in the world would anyone (in this case, Microsoft) want to put any money towards a feature that 60%-70% of users won't use? A feature, that has yet to have a single success on -any- console?

# see — Ricochet__ 2010-04-01 10:44

Quoting Lightsource:

Come on, guys. This is a non-issue. Browsing the web on consoles vehemently sucks compared to using a proper computer. Period.

It sucks on the PS3,
It sucks on the Wii,
It really sucks on the PSP unless you're only looking at text files,
And it completely sucks on the DS.

Why in the world would anyone (in this case, Microsoft) want to put any money towards a feature that 60%-70% of users won't use? A feature, that has yet to have a single success on -any- console?

thinking like that is exactly why sony takes options away (other o.s.)
even if it did suck , which it doesnt,
its a option that comes with the ps3 and was paid for by paying for the ps3 with the option,but im sure they will take away this browsing thing completely instead of fixing and securing it

# Huh? — Guest 2010-04-01 03:17

"We really believe that the web browsing experience on TV is a poor one"

Then why not work on making it a rich experience?

And isn't this the same company behind MSN TV?

# browser — Guest 2010-04-01 04:08

im useing the ps3 browser right now. no problems here

# good — Ricochet__ 2010-04-01 10:46

because i am using mine too right now
connected to a 19' tv
guess what
NO PROBLEMS

# keyboard support — Guest 2010-04-01 06:47

you know, he could be talking about browsing without keyboards. Sure they have pop-up keyboards on the other systems but they're not quite as fast as having an actual one. Even with the keyboard attachment on the 360 controller, it's still not quite as fast. Using a stick instead of a mouse is also not as responsive. It's like using the little nub on older laptops.
But then again, they could just add keyboard and mouse usb support and all would be well...
Anyway, my thoughts on browsing... I'd like the ability to do it, but I hate actually doing it. web sites with ps3 specific rerouting piss me off (I'm looking at you Youtube). Generally though, I don't know, it just seems uncomfortable.

# RE: Greenberg: Web browsing on a TV is a poor experience — Guest 2010-04-01 10:17

What I don't understand is that there's no membership fees on the PS3 or the Wii and they have web browsing,but the 360 don't and we pay fees-that's crazy.

Even if the 360's version is crap,it should still have web browsing JUST BECAUSE we pay for the live service. I mean the 360 should get everything that the other consoles have and more.

I'm this close to jumping on the PS3 bandwagon,but I'm keeping up hope for the 360!

# and once again — Ricochet__ 2010-04-01 10:47

people who dont even have and ps3 are commenting on a ps3 issue :|

# RE: and once again — symbal 2010-04-01 18:35

Quoting Ricochet__:

people who dont even have and ps3 are commenting on a ps3 issue :|

I don't have a formula 1 car either but i comment on that.

# 3d — Ricochet__ 2010-04-01 14:39

im thinking hes getting to the point that in order to see it correctly is to do it on a 3d bravia

# RE: 3d — Guest 2010-04-02 12:04

Woah, 3D porn. That would be AWESOME!

# RE: Greenberg: Web browsing on a TV is a poor experience — Alex Atkin UK 2010-04-03 22:55

His argument would be valid if only the 360 DID have options for iPlayer, etc.

Does he seriously think people would rather have to use ANOTHER device to just check a quick news item, catch up on iPlayer (because who knows if/when the dedicate 360 app will appear) or worse, visit the many links on the Xbox 360 itself that say "visit http:// on your PC for further information". That REALLY gets on my nerves having to move over to my PC and type in the URL instead of just "click" and it opens for me, as usually its wasn't worth the effort in the first place.

And as others have said, having a browser API built-in adds functionality to games. That's one of the few things I love about Playstation Home, how they can just embed web browser terminals in there.

# Mr.Me — Guest 2010-04-13 19:53

I think hes just making excuses cause the xbox cant handle it...lol

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