"Gears of War has 'zero innovation'" - EA (sourgraping?) exec |
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Fellow writer Chris C. had the perfect comeback when he saw this story in Eurogamer. "In other words, pot calls kettle black, more at 11!" (Chris L. chuckles silently). EA Montreal General Manager Alain Tascan, speaking during the Montreal Games Summit, said what he thought of Epic Games' Gears of War.
What is Gears of War? I mean Gears of War brings nothing in terms of innovation to the shooter... Like, zero. Only two very brave UK-based journalists said, 'You know what, Gears of War is a great game but it's like what Quake was a few years ago.
Sour-graping much, Mr. Tascan? But, kidding and catcalls from Gears fans aside, his comments can be read as either the kind of putdown you'd expect from a competitor gaming company, or that he's trying to point something out lost amidst the shuffles of War. Something a few radical, if very much-booed, commenters in our Gears coverage mention in reaction to the string of 9/10s or 10/10s the game's been getting.
Tascan: I'm not talking about my tastes, I'm just saying, when you go to metacritic and you see a 96 for Gears of War, then you read the critics saying, 'Okay, storyline - there's none, gameplay is not innovative...' Then I say, why did they give this 96? They were blown away by the high quality of the graphics... Myself, I prefer something more creative.
This writer's not a fan of FPS/TPS titles himself, as he readily admits. The gameplay may not be that innovative - we found "strategic" infantry play in the not-really-an-FPS Full Spectrum Warrior, for example - but it is quite refreshing. Suffice to say, I can give Gears its props, it rocks, even if it's same old, same old.
Gears of War is a beautiful shooter, especially for shooter fans, and non-shooter fans can even admit it does "look pretty". There will always be a next step, marrying the high quality of digital image work Epic's pulled off with even more new ideas for gameplay, story, and so forth. Whether or not the scores Gears of War received are well deserved, or just all hype, we'd like to think that this is just the beginning of the next step in video gaming.
How about this for a radical idea along your lines, Mr. Tascan? Epic + Hironobu Sakaguchi or Tetsuya Nomura? How's that for creative?
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The guy speaks the truth. GoW is an overrated turd of a game. It's only getting so much attention because M$ has nothing else to go up against the PS3.
Chris L. is a f**cking idiot who should do research before he vomits out articles like this. GoW is NOT an fps, idiot.
I don't believe the game is a turd...thats ridiculas.
I don't think the game is at all inovative. but they do everyting so perfectly.
I would like more of a storyline but I think that will happen in the futrue GOW games.
I love the game and muliplayer....could easly be GOY
But if you want to obsess on that slip-up, fine by me. Whatever floats your boat, man. Not that it was what I was concentrating on for the article, anyway.
Recently, there have been a lot of talks on âCraps of Warâ. MS said that when Sony releases the PS3 (it means Apr. 2006 - before the PS3âs delay), theyâll walk right into âCrapalo 3â. What a rubbish lie that was. Halo 3 will not be ready to be released until Nov. 2007 (the unofficial confirmation). How dare MS lied that Halo 3 will be released 19 (nineteen) months before the actual release date? Crapalo 3 was the reason all those idiots bought the Crapbox 360 including me because Halo 3 is the only game which is worth $70 among all X360 games.
Now, MSâs saying âplay Craps of War insteadâ when this GoW is as good as Perfect Dark Crap? We donât want another crap from you MS which sets low standard for the developers; therefore, developers can release craps with low budge and short production time. The followings are some examples: Crap Rising, Ghost Recon: Advanced Crap, Craps Row, Lost Crap (lost cause?), Phantasy Crap Universe, Crap Witch, Crapman Returns, Splinter Cell: Double Craps, Dead or Crap 4, Project Crap Racing 3, et cetera. MS must learn this fact. One A graded game is far better than ten class B or C games all added together, moreover one class A game needs less budget, time and brain power to make than 10 class B games do.
Crapbox Live Service is a total joke and nonsense; everyone but idiots knows such common knowledge. Such online service is totally free in PC gaming industry (except RPGs of course). MS started this whole ret@rded nonsense years ago because they have no moral. Sonyâs PlayStation Network Service (PNS) is free exactly like the one in the PC industry. Sony also recently officially said in a document that they will never do (in the future) such nonsense & crazy thing to their consumers like MS has done with their XBL.
Now itâs a fact that Microsoft is a totally rubbish company. They have always run MS in such ways. Now what MS is doing? MS is releasing tidbits of info on Crapalo 3 from this Nov to Dec on 20 different days. No one has time to check out all those tidbits on Halo 3 scattered all over the net during 20 days. MS needs to learn how to shut up until they actually release it.
* 5 reasons why Craps of Warâs gonna be the Halo killer. (Pros)
- Xbox fanboys are just happy if they see MS brand name on their games (so many people buy computer mouse from MS just because thereâs MS logo on it)
- I heard a rumor that half of all X360 owners are those people who think their TV speakers can talk to them (these idiots think they are soldiers when they play first person killer games like GoW)
* 5 reasons why Craps of War is not gonna be the Halo killer. (Cons)
- Very bad frame rate when the actions are intense (itâs playing slide show, stutter-fest)
- GoW is all about camping (because of the 2nd person view); therefore, frustratingly boring
- Skilled players camp with shooting & hiding tactic again and again; noobies will come to them then those noobies will be killed easily by the skilled campers by shotgun or chainsaw.
- Button A is context-sensitive and easy to use; but the matter is that when you want to run away, sometimes you will be locked on a nearby wall instead; then he will have a very easy kill.
- 8 for MP (any first person killer game which canât support at least 24 players is like not having any multiplayer mode at all, my Call of Crap 2 X360 version is collecting dust)
- the most boring standard team deathmatch (TD) mode only
Theses guys lost all creditbility the moment they said that GoW's a FPS. Also to you Ralph, I'm sure that if GoW was a PS3 exclusive, likewise Resistance a 360 exclusive, chances are you'd be glorifying GoW, and slamming Resistance. All because of the system the game is on. Grow up and learn to give credit where it's due. GoW aint a turd and neither is Resistance.
Why do you keep posting that immature, incorrect fanboy bullsh-t?
So its a TPS and not an FPS that wasn't really the point. And who cares if it has nothing new to offer (though I think it has it's own little things here and there). I'll gladly play GoW through 10 times rather then play some glitchy "original" and creative game. Gears is solid, a fun play, multiplayer is addictive and fun (could use some more play modes though), and the light squad element of it was quite enjoyable. Never been a big squad game guy, but this was simple enough and stayed out of the way and let me just play the game and kill Locusts. Nothing not to love there.
First of all, since when did GoW become a FPS? Secondly, how can anyone at EA criticise anyone about lack of innovation? When was the last time EA offered anything new and innovative to the scene? Yeah NBA street was a little bit original, but NBA Jam offered 3 on 3 many years before. What have they done since then, taken every sports genre and given it some street style, basically the same as revery other street game out there! Oh yeah, there's tiger woods, but havent we not been playing EA gold games for the past 10-15 years? Same goes for FIFA and they're doing the same for need for speed.
I admit, GoW isnt that special. Yeah the graphics are great and the game play is far from boring but it aint the killer title I was expecting. Then again, its far better that anything EA has pumped out in the last 10 years!
That the guy who keeps posting fanboy propaganda never says anything in his defense. He drops his turd and runs for the hills. Becuase he knows that his argument makes no sense and is pure bs. If he were to come back with something to say, it would probably be endless insults about being a homosexual and a microsoft fan boy filled with curses to flesh out his sentences. The guy cant be anymore than 16. What is that generation comming to.
Changed instances of FPS to shooter in the article. You all do have a point in saying that Gears isn't an FPS. Doesn't change the article, but I do hope your collective desire for accuracy of terminology has been met.
what woul;d u rather have?
a)
a bunch of new features never before seen in a game , BUT they are not well done and don't function right or don't function smoothly
or
b)
a game with a bunch of features that have been done before but are done almost perfectly and function the way they are suppos to and function smoothly.
im don't know about you but i would much rather have B.
ya, because EA publishes games that are sooooo innovative.
rehash after rehash every year of the same madden.
I don't understand why everyone is making comparisons of 'glitchy innovative games' to 'perfect non-inovative games'? Since when does anything innovative have to be glitchy? As long as the developer takes the time to make everything work properly and think realistically for their timeframe and budget, nothing should go wrong.
I'm not taking sides here, I've never played GoW nor do I own a 360, but come on, come up with something better, more...innovative.
google killswitch... if you never played that game than GoW is something completely new to you!
but if you have played killswitch you know the GoW people diserve to be sued for stealing everything that made killswitch, killswitch
im only comparing it like that because the chances of a game adding plenty of new and innovating features that work well and work smoothly is just highly unlikly. and i must agrea with Pyro, what has EA relay added to a madden that has been inovating in a while? nothing realy since they dont have to compete with any other NFL football game.
Just a few things PS3 is almost here good luck getting it haha, the 360 is already here it got GOW the best graphics right now even surpasses the PS3's lunch games when i got my 360 i want it top notch(well insane) graphics and let me tell you i'm having it with the games of the 360 so to the idiot telling that this game(GOW) it has nothing innovating let me tell you good luck finding something same as this game on another machine maybe until MGS4(1 year cuf,cuf), oh by the way did i mention that has great control, fun factor, gameplay, sound effects and the list goes on(multiplayer) .
Please . . . since when did Metal Slug or Super Mario Bros. have a "deep and involved storyline"? If it's fun, then people will play it. Just because it isn't innovative doesn't stop it from being fun.
yeah is cover and shot in kill switch same idea(GOW) but the enemys are not idiots the graphics is impossible to compare to GOW well everything is impossible to compare to GOW common don't be and ass i play two damn levels of that game in the pass and i got bored to death and didn't played anymore. So played games first and say things later dont be an idiot like the one up there (exec).
Go to ENGLISH class and learn to use commas and periods!!! YA DAMN IDIOT!! RETARD!!
OOOLLLDDDD news again! "24/7 coverage of the latest xbox 360 news" Haha, right.
You reply-ers really don't have much worthwhile to say, do you? So many of these replies are just insulting previous replies, or restating comments from the article.
Honestly now. Having played GoW through and a bunch online, I personally think it's one of the best games I've played. Microsoft's branding, the hype, and the reviews have nothing to do with it. It's just a very well executed game, plain and simple. Personally, being the first game to successfully utilize a cover system, with this much ease and fluidity certainly helps to make the game innovative. Certainly, the storyline could use some serious fleshing out. I expect a lot more in that vein from GoW2.
Too many of you are just latching onto this in defense of some other game or console, and that's just plain silly. For those of you who have played the game for a good 10+ hours and still don't enjoy it, that's cool! Have fun with whatever games you play. For the rest of you who seem to be bashing it based on hearsay and opinion, honestly now, get a hobby. If posting a crude comment on an internet, gaming-based news article just to uphold your fanboyism, then your opinion really wasn't worth anything to begin with.
Not that this post will change any of your minds, heh.
these comments coming from a guy who doesnt have the right to bring up the word innovation when he's dveloped games like "batman: gotham city racer." seriously has anyone bother to look at his resumee. as for chris c., seriously dude, please quote better people and come up with better articles in light of your admited sony fanboy-ism.
Honestly, if this was on the PS3 all these lil Sony fangirls would be all over it saying how great it is and that it got a 9.6 and its the best looking game that makes the Xbox 360 look like S***.
Please don't talk unless you put your sad fanboism aside. We all know that all PS3 fans are jealous they don't have this killer app and can't deal with it. Oh but wait you guys have "Resistance: Fall of Man", wtf that game is so damn generic its not even funny, another FPS medicore at the least.
After you play the game at least half way through then post what you think, don't post what you "heard" or what you read. Seems like when a Sony girl hears something bad about a Xbox 360 game they get all happy that its a negative statement and can't wait to post cause they have someone that feels the same way they do.
Let me let you in on a little secret, you sound very ignorant and your words mean nothing and no one cares about your biased views. Please move on and take what's left of what little dignity you have left after posting such ridiculous opinions. Poor Chris L. (chuckles silently) so sad.
P.S EA lost all credibility after making the same damn games every damn year. Yeah, lots of innovation in their games.
This is so true. I rented the game because I couldn't bare to spend $60 bucks on that crap. Just like all games, I remain yet to be impressed!
Fanboy Fred here:
GOW was a very kick arse game. Those that are bashing it are either A.) PS3 fanboys; B.) Never played the game; or C.) Combination of the two.
Fanboys are so lame. I personally am a GAMER - I don't give a rats arse who made the console... just deliver me QUALITY GAMES. Epic did deliver on GOW. Not innovative - but realy... what game is anymore?
Aside from the Wii titles, about every game genre has been exhausted and the Wii is simply using a new controller which is what makes it "new and innovative".
Give up the fanboy *****e and just play games that are good. Nothing more sad than a bunch of 15 year olds pledgeing their allegance to a company like MS or SONY. Me personally - I'm a Cambell's soup fanboy. Chicken noodle is amazing.
no one complained when they kept releasing the same mario games, zelda, or halo games.
GOW is great.
yeaa umm.....
i didnt even pick it up for the story but I STILL LOVE IT..
and since when does EA make games this good?
reiving people online is unique?... well heve you ever played socom ftb?.......... for the psp..... they were using this way before gow......
your mom is nothing new but that doesnt stop me from *****ing the ***** out of her every waking moment of her useless exsistence
if you dont have a 360 then get the ***** out of here
this is a forum for 360 owners, so go back to the PSP forumns and ***** about how
8+++> $ONY
what are you, his mom?
seriously learn how to get laid
Look, gameing has been around the block for well over 20 years, everything that could be done has been done.
aside from that GOW does have some new stuff, like the weapons are quite cool, especially the chainsaw bayonet, i mean who doesnt want to slice something in half with a chainsaw? It just kicks ass, along with the tourqebow which is fun to use and can be quite entertaining. the remains after a fight look real and are sweet, just imagine seeing that skull fuvkin explode, its sweet and beyond desciption, and its done better than any other game before it.
Remeber that south park episode where butters is going insane because the Simpsons did all the tricks he tried to do? This is just like that. SIMPSONS DID IT!!
lmao......ooohhhh scarry it beats the ps3's launch titles graphics........ lol that was a very gay statement.........oh and have fun with your 8 player multiplayer while i have fun with 39 of my friends at once.... hahaha pwned.
Lets just all say right now that GoW is not a perfect game. because its not.
Now lets all say that it has good graphics, it does, no doubt about it.
But honestly, its one of the more slow and boring shooters once you play through a few hours.
Anyone who plays shooters will find this game too slow and restrictive. You hide and shoot, hide and shoot, hide and shoot. Theres no end to the hiding and shooting.
If this game didnt have such great graphics, would it still be a good game? No way, because thats the only thing thats keeping this game even close to being in the same league as the standard shooters.
Someone tell me this game would still be just as fun if the graphics were lets say, like Quake4 or Doom3.
In terms of game play, its been over hyped to the point where everyone will like it. But eventually people who play this game will get tired of the hiding and shooting because theres just no dynamics to it.
Tactical shooter? Maybe, but not really, Rainbow Six is a tactical shooter, you plan your way, command your other units and complete your objective with realistic game play.
This game reminds me of Brute Force for the original Xbox. Except you do alot more hiding and shooting and the enemies are harder to kill.
So in terms of what this game offers that new, its graphics. Thats what the game has, and thats pretty much the only thing it has going. Besides the fact that I play on a 100" TV, it looks good but as a shooter, Halo2 multiplayer just owns this game no question. GoW multiplayer is just too slow, the controls are too restrictive and thats because they designed it for the simple minded player who doesnt want to have to worry about having to hold the crouch button while shooting since its just soo hard to do (sarcasm).
just 3 words "get a job", wow 39 friends at once, seriously you and your fat asses friends must get a job fast hahahahaha. oh by way babyg hahahahahahahah ahaaa change that name.
yeah when i get my book done of "damn asses gone wild in reading" like you haha i will write more seriously is a game you crap hole hahaha.
Well i guess we all have our own opinons, even if they do come out of hatred.
But i havent played Gears of War yet, and i really want to. At this point in time its one of the greatest games on the 360 with COD3 behind it and some others, but from what i have watched, and read this game looks like a lot of fun.
About the gameplay being too slow that is more of an opinion than a fact really because it usually depends more on the person than the game. I felt that Chromehounds was a slow game but a lot of 360 owners loved it and probably still play it to this day(maybe).
What makes Gears of War soo different from other shooters is that Epic has created this enviornment that drags you into the game more than a lot of other average to good fps titles do, and with the help of cool camera angles and slick animation, it just makes the experience all the more real. Im sure everyone can agree with me here when i say that Gears of War has some of the best Chainsawing i have seen in my life!!!
If you look at Halo and Halo2 it didnt do much for innovation but this didnt stop people from making the most played online game in the world now did it!? Gears of War will be the same in this case, awesome gameplay with solid graphics and audio.
I played Gears Of War for the first time today. I was expecting a lot from it and sadly I was very let down.
Unfortunately the game involves running a bit, then hiding behind something and shooting 4 monsters (which look like your own guys) which jump out of a hole... then running a bit, then shooting ANOTHER 4 monsters... then running a bit - I think you get the picture.
I know EA cant say alot about games as all they do is add another year onto Fifa, Tiger Woods, Madden, NBA etc - we've been playing Fifa since 1995!!! But they've hit the nail on the head with this one.
Thankfully I no longer have Gears Of War!
EA are totally innovitive, they made Katamari Damacy, Rez, Shadow of the Colossus, Ico, Lumines, Warioware, Donkey Konga...
it'snot like they just rehash the same old garbage every year and just add 1 to the year at the end of the title..oh wait...
I have killswitch for xbox. It was nothing special about it. It was pretty mediocre and awkward. I think that GOW is a good game online and offline it has awsome next gen graphics. But the Innovative part about the game it was able to blend taking cover and squad tecniques in to some thing natraul. The characters were badasses so much that I felt like a baddass when i was slicing *****es in half with the chainsaw bayonet. I thinking they could have developed cole and bard more but hey. I have ps1 and ps2 and 50+ games for each including imports. To tell you the truth the games that people rave about like final fantasy, metal gear, and grand turismo. They dont really offer any thing in the terms of innovation or gameplay. FF is pretty much the same turnbased crap that ppl have been playing since dawn of systems. Metal Gear just really doesnt convince me the graphic are alright. I find the story kinda stupid in most of them they try talk a bunch of geopolitacle crap. In my opinion it doesnt compare to splinter cell. Grand Turismo in my opinion is pretty borring it looks ok but the game is pretty shallow. It seems like they are trying to make more of simulation than a functional game that is fun. To tell you the truth most sony games are third party title that are on all system. Last but not least EA is no innovator in gamming they just make the same games every year and you dumb americans keep buying th new madden and the nba game even though it just a roster upgrade.
You actually had a point there until you said " Halo 2 multiplayer just owns this game no question." after you said that you pretty much made yourself sound like a Halo 2 fanboy with a modded xbox in your ass.
P.S Just in case you try and make a comeback It's obvious that you now own a 360 and that you play Halo 2 on your modded xbox, If you say that your one of the legit players or some crap like that everyone will know that your lying.
I can't believe you spent so much time to vomit on the english language and the concept of wit. Especially when you may as well have just written "blah blah blah I'm a pathetic hopeless f*cking fanboy and I think it's clever to put the word 'crap' in the titles of games, even third party games that also appear on my precious sony systems. I can't construct a coherant thought and I and a third generation interbred asstard."
There you go, I summarized your... I don't know what to call it, because it was hardly even english.
Just a few points. I will try to make these inarguable as possible, but some of these are a matter of opinion.
1. Gears of War is a great game, regardless of innovation. Ever since the announcement of the Wii, people have been getting a boner from "innovation" and something "new." So maybe Gears borrows aspects from other games. You know what though? They do it PERFECTLY. This game is executed so well it's just plain silly. It's a great game and if you're bashing it I suggest either playing it or coming up with a better argument as to why you don't like it.
2. Gears of War is in no way a "slow" game. Maybe if you're playing on pansy-girly-woman difficulty, I can see how it would be. But for MEN, with genitles, like myself, who play on hardcore or insane, it's pretty intense and the pacing is more than awesome. If you still think it's slow, maybe tactical or somewhat-tactical shooters aren't your thing, and that's fine as well.
3. EA is the last company who should be criticizing other companies about innovation. The only thing innovative about EA is how they brilliantly keep finding ways to weasle money our of the public's pocket that never should have been theirs in the first place. Their treatment of Xbox Live marketplace is a travesty and EA should be banned from producing games, and be forced to sell the rights of its GOOD games to companies who actually LIKE games and gamers, like Ubisoft, 2K, Bungie, Epic, etc.