PlayStation Network has a lot of catching up to do, it's still not nearly as simple and streamlined as XBL, to the point where $50 is easily worth it. Unless they get some AMAZING multiplayer games on there, and remove the hassle, Sony will fail in that department again.



Same goes for Nintendo, once again don't expect much out of them in terms of decent online play, it probably isn't going to happen. But that's not what their systems are for, so whatever.

i have to say bill gates is a hater

i like the 360 and all but man dont hate what happen if the 360 lose to ps3 it comes back and hit u on the head lol.i be mad because i use to hate on the ps3

360 will not lose to ps3 for one simple reason sony priced themselves out of the market.

My borther's PC does that

... in this generation MS will overtake Sony in install base - Sony will fall from it's current 65% to under 50%. MS will release 'xbox 4' in 2011 & that will kill Sony for a good lenght of time ... maybe there would be a comeback - eventually, but don't hold your breath!

The only reason I hate MS... they have some great products - but his arrogance and bull***** really makes me hate the company.



Oh well... guess you don't have a like a company because you like a product eh fanboys? lol

haterade anyone???

Need I say more? Bill Gates is a moron in case any of you can't figure it out. Majority of the people I know or talked to IRL want a PS3 more than the 360. Also, if Bill was so "great" why the hell does Vista suck? You can't even run Direct X9, you have to use a emulated version of it taking up a lot of RAM that could be used for something. Plus, Vista is only for multi-threaded processors, so if you have a single processor like the Pentium 4, Microsoft Office runs slower than it did if you ran it on XP. Good job ****ing up the PC. He should focus more on what he's actually good at, coding OS'. Plus it is kind of sad that the PS3 hasn't been out that long and you can compare games to both systems and the PS3 isnt even using the Cell that much lol

I don't care about xbox 360. The PS3 just came out and game programmers haven't harnessed the potential of the PS3. in about a year, the xbox 360 will fail. suck that bill gates

You're a real sucker for hype aren't you! ;)



"Considering the fact that the Xbox360 is doing worse then the original Xbox and the PS3 is doing better then the PS2."



How is the PS3 doing better than the PS2? The PS2 didn't launch in the US and Japan at the same time, it launched in Japan in March 2000 and the US in October 2000.



Now read the following link;



http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/656.html



So the PS3 launch in the Japan AND US combined did better than the PS2 in the US after launch (about 1.5m PS3 vs 1.3m PS2), but how is that a fair comparison? If we compare the US launches only it's about the same (1m PS3 vs 1.3m PS2) baring in mind that the PS2 launched about 3 weeks earlier than the PS3 and Sony were shipping 100,000 PS2s per week, you can reason that the PS2 is also about 1m in the same time period. But worldwide it's worse, since there were millions of PS2s in Japan before the US launch, hence worldwide we're talking about 1.5m PS3s compared to 5.3m PS2s!



http://uk.ps2.ign.com/articles/089/089511p1.html



As for your claim about 360 sales, they WERE doing worse than the XBox when shortages limited the numbers, but since then, things have changed! The 360 has now EXCEEDED XBox sales (but of course, YOU wouldn't notice). The following article shows that the XBox was on course for ONLY 9 million consoles worldwide in June 2003, that's 1 year and 7 months after launch. The 360 has exceeded that number in a year!



http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/07/19/latest_xbox_figures_revealed/

>"the Xbox360 Install Base is still around 4.5 Million According to the NPD...that Leaves 5 Million 360 Systems on retailers Shelves."



This is why I always say being a fanboy and therefore being so biased makes people stupid, whether they realize it or not.



4.5 million is the US INSTALLED BASE ONLY, not the worldwide 360 installed base.



http://www.craxtion.com/content/view/923/2/



"recent NPD Group figures put Xbox 360's US installed base at 4.5 million"



So use your brain and try to think where those other 5 million or so 360s may be.



I'll give you a clue which may shock you. Are you ready? Ok .... There are other countries besides the USA. Yeah, I know you're thinking "it can't possibly be true ABC", but trust me, it is.

i'm not talking about this post specifically. if you look around this site, you'll notice that he tries to put down the 360, and up the the ps3 on a daily basis. THAT, i consider to be trying to ruin the fun for others. it gets annoying after a while, seeing the same biased opinion over and over from the same person, on a forum for a console that he doesn't even like. i am sick of the excessive negativity, because it makes reading a blog much less enjoyable.

Not the article/interview I was looking for, but it says the same thing;



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multisample_Anti-Aliasing



"Furthermore, MSAA performance does not scale well some newer rendering techniques, such as the use of multiple render targets for "deferred" rendering effects."



THAT is what Tim was talking about, but as usual, you're not interested in the real facts, you only seek to attack the 360 and praise the PS3. :|

"Anyone who Reads about the CELL processor will Understand Why is it so Incredible,the First Processor Ever that Have the Ability To work Together with another CELL processor Even if Not on the same Board..!!

That Means a Processor on China With the Right Bandwith can help Accomplish Tasks another CELL Processor in America."



I suggest you check the dates of whatever you read about Cell, because the Cell of today is NOT the Cell promised back then.



This is why Sony had to turn to NVidia for the GPU when the original plan was to use the Cell processor instead for graphics.



The Cell you speak of doesn't exist. Sorry, but that's the reality.

your a troll, please go away

dude, maybe u accidentaly hit the controllers dash button, i duno.

I,l reply to Comments in a Random Order :)



"Forza 2 will be 720p, 60fps, with HDR and 4xFSAA. So yet again, you're clueless on the subject."



My..My...ABC



True..It will be 4xFSAA at 60Fps...but that Doesnt Mean that there is No Hit in Performance [ ;) ] They are Using it,Bit that Doesnt Mean its [Free]



MS is Claiming that there is Zero Hit in Perfoemance,Act ually the DRAM Decreases the Hit,Not [Negate] it Completly...you Understand Dont you :)



"Hence FSAA/MSAA would also be problematic on the PC and PS3 with their engine. "



And i Have Never Suggested Other-wise....Most PS3 games Wont Feature MSAA,and they Dont Need to...As Next-gen Games Uses Run Natively at 720P with Little Aliasing that Can Hardly be Noticed in a HDTV.



"4.5 million is the US INSTALLED BASE ONLY, not the worldwide 360 installed Base"



True...but the Doesnt Change Anything Much,the Rest of the World Includes Japan[Which the 360 is selling Miserabely and Europe]



assuming they Have Shipped 11Million By Now,there is 5 million Installed in the US,2-3 million for Europe and Rest of te World



That Still Leaves a Couple of Millions on the Shelves...



"The Cell you speak of doesn't exist. Sorry, but that's the reality. "



Hmmm....I,l Do more Reasearch When i Have time,But I am Still Positive that the Whole idea of the Cell Broadband Engine is to Turn the Entire Network into a Computer..rather than a Single Processor....and Have read it in Many Links



I wont Comment on the [Nick] Guy,since He made a Joke from Him-self and Started Apolgizing for Beign an Idiot..



He Said Gow Uses MSAA...if he Read my Post and Tim Sweeny,s Words....He wouldnt Make a fool Of Him-self..



But then....I am Used to these Types ;)

The 360 is really going well now,the obsessive jealousy of M$ by some people on this site(over from the pS3 section of course)is unbelievable,th ey are so desperate they are making fools of themselves,keep up the good work M$ and make as much money as possible and keep those great 360 games coming out.

Weren't you the one at the beginning of this year caliming that analyists said the 360 sales over Christmas were disappointing? (and failed to provide proof when challenged). Hmmm. Then we got the sales and found the opposite was true, so now you desperately look for other ways to put down the figures.



>"MS is Claiming that there is Zero Hit in Perfoemance,Act ually the DRAM Decreases the Hit,Not [Negate] it Completly...you Understand Dont you :)"



MS loosely use the term that it's for free. It's not 100% free, but the fact that when a game engine is designed to make use of this feature from the ground up, the hit is negligable, hence it's practically free, especially compared with traditional AA methods.



>"assuming they Have Shipped 11Million By Now,there is 5 million Installed in the US,2-3 million for Europe..."



Enough of the guesswork to make yourself feel better, let's just stick to facts please. ;)



>"Hmmm....I,l Do more Reasearch When i Have time,But I am Still Positive that the Whole idea of the Cell Broadband Engine is to Turn the Entire Network into a Computer..rather than a Single Processor....and Have read it in Many Links"



Well, during your research, look at the date of the links and articles you find. What you described was the original concept behind Cell, where developers didn't need to divide tasks themselves to run on each SPE, but instead the Cell processor was able to do this for itself, and if more power was needed, can call on other Cell processors to help out.



Hence you may read ideas about Cell processors in other household devices, like TVs and movie players, where you can plug them together and the Cell processors will communicate with each other, including over a network. Therefore some imagined your TV helping out your PS3 if more power was needed.



Cell was also suppose to be much more powerful than seen today, which is why Sony was going to use Cell instead of a dedicated GPU in their console, but then had to turn to NVidia for help. So this idea for Cell proved far too complicated to produce, resulting in a processor which whilst powerful for calculations, is still a shadow of the processor first spoken about some years ago.

>"Actually the Sales were Disapponting,Th e PS2 outselled the Xbox360 this Christmas,and that is Simply What i Meant by Disappointing...It is Losing to a 6 years Old Hardware ;)"



Liar! This is what you said;



http://ps3.qj.net/NPD-clarifies-recent-sales-reports/pg/49/aid/78169



Quote - "As i have read many analyses saying that the 360 sales were actually disappointing this Christmas.."



You made no reference to the PS2 when you made that statement, and you said this info came from analysts, not yourself. When challenged in that thread, you denied it was Christmas and said you meant analyists talking about the last 3 months of 360 sales. Now you twist it yet again by saying you meant compared to the PS2. You twist and turn and do anything other than admit what you've said. Try showing a little backbone sometimes and learn to stand by your own comments, even if it means admitting you were wrong. :|



BTW, the PS2 also outsold the PS3, and the 360 outsold the PS3, which is the real reason why you and Vietone have now taken to making a nuisance of yourselves on these boards. Seems to me you're both fustrated that the PS3 hasn't set the world on fire as you'd hoped.



>"As for the Shadow of the Original CELL,I wouldnt be So Hasty In Judging,The CELL processor Is In Continuos Development,And the One in the PS3 is a Stripped Down from the Original Finished Design..."



ALL processors are in continuos developement, Cell is not unique in this respect. As for stripped down, Cell in the PS3 is only stripped down in the sense that ONE SPE has been disabled to improve yields. Other than that, it's exactly the same processor.



Also, what do you mean by judging? I'm talking about Cell as it currently stands, I didn't say it sucks or anything like that. I say it as it is, the Cell has strengths but it also has weaknesses (like all processors). But when it comes to Cell or any other hardware in the PS3, you only seem to be interested in the strengths whilst ignoring the weaknesses.



>"Try Praising SONY,and IBM too....the CELL is an Incredible Acheivement...."



Praise for what? Cell is excellent but it's nothing revolutionary, it's evolutionary, and it's argueable whether it offers a desireable solution for future processors. Right now, I'm more in favour of symmetical multi-core processors over the asymmetric approach of Cell.



>"Once the Concept of the Cell BroadBand Engine is Reached,It Could Lead to a Completly New Dimension."



And what concept(s) will that be? There are some aspects that have been achieved, others haven't and it will probably remain that way for the foreseeable future.



There's a place for both symmetrical and asymmetrical multi-core processors in future, but in the end, don't expect a revolution from either, expect an evolution instead.