Wii HD could damage PS3 comeback, says Wedbush Morgan |
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Wedbush Morgan's exhaustive report on the effects of ancillary revenues on the console cycle contains a little nugget that suggests a Wii HD could convince consumers that it's "the last console they will ever need."
The analyst firm suggests that the HD-capable Wii, which is referred to in the paper as "Wii Plus", would also come with a redesigned WIimote that incorporates Motion Plus technology, 1080p output at 60 FPS, and full backwards compatibility with current Wii titles. Oh, and a hard drive too. And all that for close to the US$ 199.99 price point.
So what does this mean for the other consoles? The report says that the advent of the "Wii Plus" could seriously damage Sony's chances for a PS3 comeback for the current console cycle:
In our view, if Nintendo can offer such a device by year-end 2010, it will be in a position to seriously damage SonyÂ’s chances of a comeback this cycle. We would expect publishers to support such a move, given that the cost of porting an Xbox 360 game to the new Wii Plus HD format would likely be lower than the cost of building a ground up Wii game (we estimate under US$ 5 million). Should Nintendo be able to convince publishers like EA and Take-Two that the Wii Plus should be supported by the entire EA Sports catalog and by the next installment of Grand Theft Auto, it should be in a position to successfully convince consumers that the Wii Plus is the last console they will ever need to purchase.
Lots of ifs and shoulds, there. Earlier this month, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata stated that he sees no reason to make a Wii HD, but hey, maybe by next year they'll finally have that reason.
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Someone should tell these 'analysts' that this Wii HD DOESN'T EXIST!
for $200 your get that package.....hmmm, it will still not convince me that it will kill the ps3s chance of a comeback. the variety of games the ps3 has and the intensity of them is just enough to keep the ps3 up there. all they really did was just do a few upgrades that most people wont even notice.
Ya right! I'll stick with my PS3 and PC.
I don't think it would kill anything.
However, I would buy one for the sole purpose of killing my last analog device from my living room.
How much would this so-called Wii HD cost? And if it supported 1080p, would it actually play movies now? And just because a 360 game is in HD, does that make it "easy" to port it over to a Wii HD. He doesn't even know the hardware for the thing yet.
so a better next gen model will cost less next year.
If Sony could create a new version of the ps3 with motion sensing and hologram technology built-in for $99.99 then it would kill all other game systems!!!
Any idiot can come up with a what if this company created something new and how it would affect the rest. But since it's not an actual product they are just blowing wind out their buts. Most of what analysts say is a joke and listening to them is a waste of time!
Anytime the Wii HD is brought up, people act like Nintendo will do more than simply adding an HD OUT? The Wii is already capable of HD! Hell, soul calibur 2 on the Xbox was capable of 1080p and the Wii is more than twice the power of the original Xbox.
Nintendo is as glorified as Apples Steve Jobs .... they give the consumer very little to nibble on, but in their heads they think its MORE than enough (Steve Jobs on why Flash is not supported with the iPhone "Who uses Flash?" Nintendo on HD and HDD "Our customers do not want that").
It would clearly be possible for Nintendo to sell it for under 200 next year, just adding the HD OUT. They could also start including a built in 16gb SSD/SD card, and still keep it under 200, because everyone knows that its already 100 dollars over priced (maybe even more).
I am a big Nintendo fan here, but both them and Sony have been irritating me lately at how ignorant and *****y they are. I always hated Microsoft for the same reasons I now hate them, and I prefer the 360 out of all of those consoles now-a-days. And according to messages boards all over the world, a lot of people seem to feel the same way.
So for anyone to think Sony will come out ahead of Microsoft? Who knows ..... nothing you can predict .... console manufacturers have been very unpredictable as-of-late. So unless Sony finds a way to drop their price point, this year, to 250 ... they will never catch up.
Why? If they drop to just 350, or 300 even, MS will drop their sku's to 150 and 250 (possibly229). It is already heavily rumored that the Elite will no longer be in production, though that's probably cause the Super elite with a 320GB HDD will be coming out soon. While, even at 250, Nintendo will remain at the top.
Come to think of it ... I don't even think Nintendo would be even that generous .... They will Likely add an HD OUT and pack in the motion plus add-on, and leave it at 249.99 without a HDD. Sony does it, why cant they?
And for what he said about the next installment of GTA? Games like that DO NOT sell on the Wii, even the good ones! Look at the sales charts for mad world, and GTA Chinatown wars. Yes, people want it, but not many ... because most? Are all pre-teens depending on mommy and daddy to buy it for them, or someone stupid enough to buy a child an M rated game! When are people going to realize, the majority of Wii owners are children?
I have 3 kids, I bought the Wii for my 2 daughters (2 and 6 at the time) and they love it, there is an abundance of great games for them, and they are almost all 4 player so they can play with all their friends! Reminds me of the good old NES days, really .... and the VC makes it all the better, my kids can experience what I had growing up(and more).
But for me? I rarely play the damn thing because I am sick of Mario, Zelda, and Metroid .... New gameplay mechanics are nice, but how bout some new IP's to go with it!
Ya know .... I really miss the days when a new Mario/Zelda/Metroid game got me excited .... now? I'm like "christ, another one already"? (case-in-point, Galaxy 2).
Which ties in with my point, Nintendo needs to realize the kids who made them what they are today, are twenty-some years older .... were adults, and frankly, I just don't want to spend my leisure time flailing away, or leaning left and right to play my video games. Again, good for kids, they need the exercise ... but when I come home from working all day, I want to relax, not workout some more.
I agree with a lot of your points, being one of those people 20 years later *though i only supported Sega, till they went away... because NO MATTER what people say, sega might have costed a lot, but they gave people EVERYTHING they could. the nomad is a good example of this*
the thing is, the reason games like madworld, do so poorly is do to how poor the games are... Madworld for instance has 3 hours of gameplay, which has classic CUT/PASTE effect... *you can easily beat it in 1 sitting*
if we do get a Wii HD, it will be 720, and it will be 250+, nintendo doesnt care about their customers... the nintendo seal use to mean something, look at the games it gets now... more importantly, as far as parts are concern the wii is a updated Gamecube... thats just how nintendo does it, they do the minimal and expect it to be enough so they can bust out a better one later on, and look like a hero.
Classic case in point, is the aformentioned nomad. that came out when the gameboy was around, it cost 5x as much, but it was really worth it, unlike the gameboy. it could be a gen, it was portable, it was a controller when it was hooked up to a tv, it had a second player slow, and had a add on for a rechargeable battery *it also had a wall plug in* it had a back lit screen, and much more... it took nintendo 10 years to release a portable system with all these features, and the SP had minor tweaks and was only like 100 max more usd than the nomad... thats why it makes no sense, but let the people think what they want... you hold the power, but people dont even use it +\
@badasspc1:
gotta agree with your points, but one can't be true:
The Wii is not more powerful than the original Xbox.
If you look closely at the specs, you see that the CPU is actually the same like in the GameCube, just a little bit overtacted. Sure the GPU is stronger, but from my experience no game on Wii comes even close to the graphical detail of a Fable 1, Halo 2 or Chronicles of Rid*****.
Needs a price cut. Plain and simple, I'm not going to pay you $300 plus all your crappy accessories for a very slightly improved gamecube. Why are more gamers not outraged at this?
HERES SOME GOOD ADVICE SONY,MAKE ALL PS3 IN 1080P NOT *****ING 720P BULL*****,WHICH MAKES US ALL PAY FOR A FULL HD TV AND GET LESS DEFINITION FROM THE PS3
Yeah, it's not like games 80% of the games didn't already suck due to them being carbon copies of each other, I guess experiencing them in HD is somehow better??
http://www.whattheyplay.com/blog/2008/09/30/new-wii-due-by-2011/
There is talk about it, and it does make sense for Nintendo to release an HD capable Wii.
Thing is, it won't be as powerful as the 360 or PS3.....hell even PS3/360 cannot do 95% of their games at 1080p 60fps....
The best this will be is a good enough hardware upgrade so that it can play Wii like games @ 1080p 60fps.....but nothing near the quality of 360/PS3.
Read the article.....basically it sounds like Nintendo just wants to get in on the digital distribution bandwagon.
Analysts are stating that the Wii Gets an Internal Hard Drive, HD output and Motion Plus Integration into the WiiMote will Kill the PS3?
Not so Fast... Let's think this over
First of all, adding HD support means that they Have to find a large storage capacity to support all of the Data.
I know that the Data can be compressed, first of all it will look crappy.
They Could use DVD9 but I'd rather have my Games uncompressed rather than upscaled.
Second of all Price, adding all these things cause a rise in price of the system. If your stating that future costs will fall, then this will include the development costs of the PS3 so there would still be competition. Btw I'm not sure but I think they also need to upgrade the processor to play HD games at a faster rate.
I for one would be pissed if this "Wii Plus" came out because I payed $300 for my launch Wii expecting it would give at least a lifespan of 5 years.
I really doubt the Hard disk since Ninty has already added SD support for channels. Unless they allow Storage of video and Music.
Playstation 3 is already getting Motion Sensing, so it's basically useless. The Wii is a family friendly console, which basically means that they don't give a damn about HD support.
Hardcore players Like us, prefer HD to enjoy all the features that the PS3 delivers.
In the end, it's useless to add HD and HDD support to the Wii, but it's a good Idea to Incorporate WiiMotion Plus.
Nintendo Never Intended to make the Wii to Compete with the PS3 since they are looking to avoid Competition and they succeeded.
well if my sonys gonna get destroyed by anything ill be glad if its nintendo but lets face it sony is not gonna go down that easy and if the wii plus or hd or whatever does come out it better be as graphically strong as the ps3 and then some
p.s i love sony and i love nintendo both are my absolute favorites they been around since i was a kid
Vic
That is another thing about Wii games, a lot of them are half a$sed versions, of full version games on the other consoles/PC. Granted some pull through ok, for what the hardware can do, but devs are not putting the effort into it, anywhere NEAR, as they did with the xbox/PS2.
Silver
Im just going by what most devs compare the Wii hardware to, considering actual specs never have been revealed, and obviously (because of the way devs describe it) there is an NDA between them and Nintendo to keep the description of the hardware specs modest, because it likely isnt THAT much more powerfull than the GC (which I seen several brand new units at toys r us the other month, for 30 bucks).
I agree with you how the Xbox had better looking games .... but Nintendo has also left their "quality over quantity" motto in the past and seems to now favor the opposite (zero replay, as Vic mentioned, a few hours long). The sick part, people are still paying 40-50 dollars for them!
Yeah, Nintendo has ALWAYS been successful, and on top (if you look at it their way). The 64 and the GC, while they both under performed, Nintendo STILL made more profit out of it because they use cheap, under powered parts.
This is the defense that kills me the most ... how they can attribute their total GB sales, selling more than any console has ever sold. But they leave out the fact that every other year, a new and better version was released.
It still holds true for the DS! And now if the Wii HD becomes a reality next year? They are going to adopt the same method they have been using with their handhelds .... and people will still buy it! Before we know it, the Wii will have spawned several iterations 6 years from now, and will have sold over 300million units combined (Wii to Wii 3D in 2015).
There are LOTS of reasons that can be attributed as to why they sell so much. Kids and their parents ... the whole kid friendly aura of the Wii, attracts it especially to parents. So even if the kid wanted a 360 or a PS3 ... he gets a Wii!
Then there is the issue, where (for some disturbing reason) casual/non-gamers are more comfortable with blowing into a mic/putting a speaker to their ear, and shaking their fists is more comfortable and second nature to them, than say ... pressing buttons in conjunction with using a joystick/mouse.
Then you got the people who are just Uber infatuated with Nintendo, that they believe (religiously) the company has never done any wrong and buy everything they put out ... twice over, even.
Which leads to my next point, the Wii is cheap enough most can afford to buy two of them, if not at the same time, down the road. But the thing is, ever since the 360 dropped to 200, more and more Wii units (which you could only find on ebay for 350$!) have been popping up on shelves all over the globe.
Sure, Nintendo says they have more factories pumping out units and are meeting demand. Then where was all the news about them opening new factories to do this? Is it news you have to dig for? I go to almost 10 tech sites daily, and 7 are strictly gaming. I rarely post anymore, but I been getting so stressed lately, I need to vent! LoL
Then there are all the colored units, that are sold out of state and the collectors editions, and well .... all sorts of other small factors that add to it. But hell, you could factor them into 360 and PS3 sales as well.
We all know why the PS3 is doing so poorly, price, and the forcing of Blu-ray down our throats (the majority of physical media followers are going to be old heads and fanboys). Sony used to listen to its fans, its always been about profit, and they not always delivered ... but they at least listened. People said this would be a bad move, and that a console over 400 at launch is pushing it (and it did). But yet they still believe that anyone but the wealthy/single are buying that thing for 400 bucks!
And you know what drives me crazy the most? Even after all the valid points I have just picked through, I still say ... why .... WHY IN GODS NAME IS THE Wii SELLING SO WELL?????
too bad sony isnt responsible for that. i think that's more of the developers
it ll be alot more than that pricewise, seeing how they would have to re develop the console and put a beefier cpu in it. in pc standards, to get a hd pci-e card working in hd u require atleast 3.2ghz whats the wii got 733mhz no way it could push it at that, not to mention changing the gpu, and even them doing this people will think we already have one without, their not gonna let u play hd movies on it caus it means changing the disk drive, all this would make the wii cost the same as a ps3 and if this was the case what would you get?
This guy knows what he's talking about!
i wish i gotten a ps3 T.T... but they are going to do a price cut :) i think... that is what qj.net said in this one post... 100 dollars off of the original pricing
I bought Wii about 2 years ago, and played games almost everyday in the first few months. Now I play Wii games maybe once for months. It's still a good console. The question is will the people, who bought Wii already, buy another Wii just for the HD function? I won't. And what should the people do, who have Wii now? Throw them away?
for a long time, ive wondered myself... i mean it makes no sense. a while back i was doing support on a wii hacking message board, till the people forced me to quit, due to a lack of respect/care.
i DO believe, a lot of it stems from 3 key things...
Series, bring people, I might sound stupid, but i bought a ps3, to JUST play disgaea 3... many people are buying the wii for Brawl/galaxy/kart. games like these, have down in quality, and are rather lacking... *i mean look at how hard it is to get EVERY character in kart... whenever i play single now, i get blue shelled like crazy, because i get such a lead, the game wont let me keep it!* In addition to this, there are very few mature titles, and really its just Sega, and their games. Because of this, parents are more inclined *as you mentioned bad* to buy, due to this.
another huge factor, is 2 things... hacking it is easy, and anyone can do it... i mean look at the history
Clips, then ribbon exploits, then usb add ons, then a program to boot them, then a HDD loader... which with bannerbomb theres VERY little holding people back... these things *after my 6 months and almost 2,000 people helped* is only for piracy, and MANY people cant even handle figuring it out, BUT unlike the 360 its not hard, nor does it have much of a risk, so it without a doubt helps the wii in sales!
and in addition to that, you can make the wii a semi useful device for very little, by running emulators, and wiiware +\...
finally its the concept of "friends" in my College, everyone in the social area are either playing wii *theres usually around 5* and a xbox MAYBE 2... things like this make the wii a better thing in most peoples mind... and helps the wii sell much better *sorta the same as their portable systems, out of the 200 or so regs only 2 of them own a PSP and im one of them, but the pokemon plat tourny had 50+ signed up*
finally, its the deceptive ad's they air... Conduit, was a game i was semi excited for... I got it the other day... and when i saw Kevin Sorbo voice acting, i was disapointed, though the ad's say its the "best shooter, on the wii" and "amazing this or that"... i can say PERSONALLY played it myself, it took me 1 hour 20 mins to beat story... on hard... theres VERY little if any replay value, and story is only what 6 chapters long +\ now i can also say, playing the game is HARD, because the wii controls are hard to work... i mean hold down C, aim with the wiimote, scope by holding down down, and try to hold that for 10 or so seconds... and tell me you can REALLY see that being a fun game to play +\
the fact of the matter is, people give things good reviews that dont deserve it *madworld got a 9/10 if i recall, with the ONLY downside being the gameplay time +\* and good games like Cross Edge for the ps3 gets a 3.5/10 if i recall... for having sprites in "this day and age" and a confusing layout *which is only confusing for the first 10 or so battles +\* when you have double standards like that, its NO WONDER why wii is so far ahead +\