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Telltale employee says iPhone "much more powerful" than Wii

Posted Jul 30, 2009 at 5:56AM EST by Karl B.

Listed in: Wii, iPhone Tags: Nintendo, Telltale, Telltale Games

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A Telltale games employee who goes by the username Yare has claimed on the official Telltale forums that the Apple iPhone packs more power than Nintendo's Wii home console. Not just more powerful, but "much more powerful."

We've heard a lot of comparisons between the iPhone and other current market handhelds since the former's release so coming across another one isn't really that surprising anymore. Comparisons to current-gen home consoles, on the other hand, aren't as prevalent, I think.

The statement was made in a thread for complaints about the bad quality of Telltale's WiiWare version of Tales of Monkey Island: Launch of the Screaming Narwhal. Yare backed up his claims with the following explanation:

The extra RAM is really what makes the difference. Of the Wii's 88 MB of RAM, a not insignificant chunk of that is always being used by the OS and is unavailable to developers. The Wii's RAM is also split into two separate banks, each of which has different read/write metrics and you can't really spill from one to another if you need to.

As I said before, everything in computer science is about striking a balance between a small memory footprint, or having blistering fast algorithms. When you are limited in file size and memory footprint, you spend a lot of processing time decompressing things, deciding what needs to be loaded in memory at the moment, streaming things on/off the disk, and so on. If you have more memory, you can use cheaper (or no) compression, spend less time worrying about how much stuff can be loaded, hit the disk less frequently, memorize calculations, and other awesome stuff.

A little bit of RAM goes a huge way in letting you use faster algorithms. It's more important than a faster processor, IMO.

id Software: iPhone more powerful than DS and PSP combined

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I haven't heard so much bull in years!

Ram isn't everything and it doesn't make something powerful

at all.

My laptop has 3GB of Ram and I don't know what I can use

it for. My computer's video card and processor are not powerful enough to make full use of such ram.

So really, having so much ram where there's no power

behind it to really use it, it's pretty useless IMO.

# WTF!?!?!?!?! — ISOHaven 2009-07-30 07:50

Exactly! WTF are these people smoking? RAM equals power? Lame!

All the 3D apps on my iphone run like crap. Not to mention, WHICH iPHONE? Do these idiots not relize there are three different levels of iPhone?

I have a 5 year old server with 32GB of memory. My desktop with 2GB of memory is more powerful then that server.

# Both of you... — TheRockness 2009-07-30 08:16

You hear that? That noise? Its the sound of your knuckles dragging on the ground behind you.

# ... — blkthunda 2009-07-30 08:24

Why don't they just stop making these claim and start making better games.

# LOL — SARU SAKE 2009-07-30 09:22

LOL I think its also more powerful than my PS3.

# WTF!?!?!?!?! — ISOHaven 2009-07-30 09:47

Did you have something real to say?

Did you care to explain how more memory gives a machine more horsepower?

Did you care to explain how the 3D graphics on the iPhone 3G and below suck ass? I can't comment onthe 3Gs

Or is that BS you just gave all you have?

# You're a waste. — TheRockness 2009-07-30 11:01

Waste of time, space, breath. Not worth the effort. Deuces.

# Yes, ISOHaven — FreePlay 2009-07-30 11:21

It's all he has.

You and I disagree more often than not, but at least when I do it, I have the balls to actually pony up and say WHY rather than just drive-by troll with bullsh*t.

# Ha. — TheRockness 2009-07-30 11:32

Its not about me enlightening you. Its about you doing the research before you actually spew your filth. You and I are not too different in that regard.

The major difference is that you are calling them idiots when they clearly explained why more ram can provide more breathing room for decompression and other processes. Its all in the article if you had any type of reading comprehension skills. Your ignorance does not automatically grant you an explanation from anyone. I, on the other hand, just think you're a tool for thinking your desktop and a server are comparable. You also wasted your money on 32GB of RAM if you don't know how too fully utilize it and think that the same processes are going to fit into 2GB of RAM.

Graphics "sucking ass" is an opinion I can't argue. I think you're a stupid tool... that can't be argued either.

# .. — saldude2 2009-07-30 12:10

I hope ZUNE HD will have better graphics with nvidia tegra

# Compare apples with apples please — DrWho1980 2009-07-30 12:37

As always people forget one thing, you can't compare 2 systems that weren't released at the same time. For instance:

People claimed the PS2 was a lot more powerful then the gamecube and dreamcast. Dreamcast didn't have DVD and so on...

What people didn't mention is that the PS2 was released March 2000, and dreamcast November 1998. That's nearly one and a half years of technology later. When talking about technology that's a lot of time!

Now they are comparing the PSP with the i-Phone... excuse me? PSP(December 2004) iPhone(June 2007)...

Now let's be honest, if apple would release a device that was only as powerful as the PSP 2 and a half years later, then we could all have a laugh.

Of course they released a more powerful device, if sony would release one today then that device as well would be more powerful. And let's not start about the PSP Go! everyone knows that Sony just tries to milk every bit of money out of its old console with that one. It's not even a different console... its just a remake.

# No need to fight — DrWho1980 2009-07-30 12:58

Guys, I don't think its worth the fight, in the end you are both right in a way... ram doesn't make your system powerful, but not enough ram makes it weak. Your system is just as powerful as the weakest link.

But one thing is for sure, developers these days waste memory. They ain't used to using every bit (yes bit, not byte) of memory to its full extend anymore. That was something that was lost since the old days... when 64k was a lot of memory. Not that you could run these new games on those systems, but they did a lot better job using the little memory they had back then. Oh, and please don't flame me

I'm not saying I could do better... just saying its and art that was lost since the good old days.

*stop reading here unless you want to hear me get nostalgic again*

Back then programmers would spend days, or even weeks figuring how they could make an animation with dropping snowflakes with as little memory loss as possible. Or spend countless hours to find ways to free up memory that was not accessible by default. They also used every bug they could find in the system to there advantage. Some of those bugs actually allowed them to extend the power of the system. Like adding extra colors to there pallet or making the screen look wider. Now THAT was programming. And every programmer who has knowledge of that time will agree, nothing can compare what was done back than.

# @TheRockness — Vman00 2009-07-30 14:25

here's a gift

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v+6bMLrA_0O5I

also the music is soothing...

# wtf?!!.. — unggoy 2009-07-30 15:16

whats next?.. that the iPhone is more powerful than the ps3 or xbox 360?.. BS..

# ugh . . . — puddingman 2009-07-30 15:30

dream on apple!

take your so called "piece of crap" gadgets somewhere else,

# @TheRockness — Kaneco 2009-07-30 15:34

I'm not a graphic whore at all and I did read the article.

Suffice of what they say Ram is in fact and I 'repeat' in fact not

everything, My computer has enough ram to run anything

publicly released with extra ram to spare but of course I'm

not allowed to do such things because first I got to through

many barriers such my inner processor and video card to

realize the full potential of this much ram. Ram only allows

you for faster processing of information without obviously

crashing when not going over its set limits.

As the articles says striking balance is what matters, but

obviously no computer, no console, and no phone has

achieved that.

I don't know what you mean with your half-assed redundant answer towards me and ISOhaven but

what I'm saying is that these people are blatantly

wrong but their ideal of striking balance is perfect

but not applied and despite if that were true with

the iphone it's not absolutely in any way possible

more powerful than the Wii.

# . — TheRockness 2009-07-30 16:17

You continue to compare your computer to phones and consoles. Your PC's have variable specs and the devices you're comparing them to have static specifications. The 3GS has the capability to broadcast a 480p signal to a TV just like the Wii. The processor on the Wii is 7

# oops... — TheRockness 2009-07-30 16:34

The processor speed of the Wii is 729Mhz which "could" ramp up to 900Mhz if Nintendo so chose to do so. So its potentially 300Mhz over the iPhone. However, this IS where RAM could come into play. If the Wii has 88mb of RAM vs the iPhone's 256mb, you could see a lot of difference in their capabilities.

That being said, we will never see anything on the iPhone that comes close to what the Wii has done, and that I haven't argued otherwise. Development costs for AAA console titles, even on the Wii, are far more than what people are willing to spend on the iPhone. The price point on iTunes for your average game is what brings in all the attention. You'll get terrible ROI on a iPhone game that costs 40 million to produce and it would drain the poor phones battery long way too quickly, possibly even causing unwanted heating issues.

Just because you have never produced a piece of code that really utilizes a piece of hardware to its fullest, doesn't mean that someone else hasn't found a balance with their hardware.

You focus on what a piece of hardware is currently doing, and you fail to see what it could potentially do, which is what this article is about.

# @TheRockness — Kaneco 2009-07-30 18:00

I'm a Wii owner...I'm just giving out a simple

example that the majority will understand,

because as you may know consoles and other

devices are not completely examined as a

computer as a matter of fact and might be

misunderstood to talk about hidden specs

that people have to find on their own rather

than companies such as Nintendo and Sony

would never give out concrete info of their

manufactured devices.

It's pretty much evident that an iphone is not

more powerful than a Wii by revealed specs.

Probably more potent than a PSP which is only

333MHz but let's not forget that just one chunk

of the whole pie when talking what's much more

powerful. There's no doubt that the Wii is much

more powerful than iphone that is for sure

though.

# hahah to the iphone — ilostchild 2009-07-30 18:34

more powerful that a psp, a wii, and whatever else they claim.. BUT yet a simple txt.. can totaly jack up there phone..

http://www.qj.net/SMS-bug-could-leave-every-iPhone-in-the-world-vulnerable-say-hackers/pg/49/aid/133499

i think they should cover up there spill and falws before even saying they are the greatest and more powerful than a console...

# Its not Apple... — TheRockness 2009-07-31 01:43

Its developers that are making these claims. Developers that don't work for Apple... can you process that?

# Hidden specs? — TheRockness 2009-07-31 03:05

Just because qj doesn't s***** feed you the specs, doesn't mean that the info is not readily available. It was publicly released that the Wii was using a Gekko PowerPC chip similar to that of the GameCube.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gekko_(microprocessor)

So back to your original comment that made me insult you so. (I'm sure you haven't looked up the definition of redundant yet (so) I'm giving an example.) You're talking about your lap top having 3GB of RAM and you don't know what to use it for. To me, it says that you clearly put too much RAM in your lap top. Perhaps with some better planning of what programs you planned running on the lap top you could have made a better choice in your purchase so that all that RAM didn't have to go to waste. Again, the Wii is not like your lap top in that it has a bottleneck due to RAM that cannot be upgraded. If the Wii had 3GB of RAM then you might actually hear developers saying "Man we just can't use up all this RAM."

Your videocard and processor aren't powerful enough to take full advantage of your RAM??? What does that mean?! It means that no one has specifically written code to take full advantage of YOUR PC. This will be my last message to you as I really don't like casting pearls before swine.

# WTF!?!?!?!?! — ISOHaven 2009-07-31 05:08

Raccoon girl made me LOL...

# WTF!?!?!?!?! — ISOHaven 2009-07-31 05:22

OH HELL YES!!!!!!!!!!

IT'S ON!!!!!!!!!

You F'ED up bro!!!!

1. I'm a programmer. Amongst many other things.

2. I read the OPINIONS in the article and I 100% disagree with them. This is where actually knowing WTF you're talking about comes in handy. There's a MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR difference between LOW memory being a bottleneck and HIGH memory falsely meaning more powerful.

3. Even the term "powerful" is subjective. First off, WTF are they talking about? CPU power? Graphic power? There are two MAJOR TYPES of CPUs in every computer these days. I have to assume they are referring to GAME PLAY. The server I talked about is a DATA workhorse. It's 5 years old so imagine what CPUs that are in it? My desktop is brand new so imagine what CPU is in it? The SERVER doesn't have SQUAT for graphics. It has 8 CPUs and 32GB of memory. It can run SQL like a bat out of hell! Put crysis on it and that game wont run for SHlT!!!!! It doesn't matter HOW MUCH CPU power you have or HOW MUCH MEMORY you have if you don't shlt for a GPU.

So, jackass, use your pea sized brain and put two and two together. Just because a machine has 32GB of memory that does NOT mean MORE POWER!!!!

What those idiots SHOULD HAVE SAID is that even though the Wii is more powerful then the iPhone, it's more limited in what it can do because of a LACK of memory.

Also, I know for FACT the iPhone has a shltty 3D accelerator in it because I OWN ONE.

Thank you for this opportunity to slam your pathetic a$$ into the ground. It's been a while!!!

# WTF!?!?!?!?! — ISOHaven 2009-07-31 05:31

Wow dude, you just keep acting like a douche bag don't ya?

APPLE always claims they are the shlt regardless of this article. Apple needs to quit BSing about being the most secure. They need to quit claiming they have the safest products.

OSX ALWAYS gets hacked before windows and in many cases before Linux at all the major conferences.

There is nothing safe or secure about Apple products. They release SECURITY fixes just as much a Windows. Problem is, no one gives a rats ass about Mac.

Until now. The more Macs they sell, the more viri and spyware we see for Mac. More and more torrents of OSX software have OSX VIRI.

Look at their phone. Now that millions of people have an iPhone, people are looking to hack it.

The sad part it, Apple SUCKS A$$ when it comes to patching. They are always way behind. It takes them about TWICE AS LONG to release a patch then Microsoft. So when, IF EVER, the day comes that people truly target Apple for viri, they'll be exposed for WAY TOO LONG! HAHAHAHA!!!!

# You're like a parody. — TheRockness 2009-07-31 05:46

Do you even listen to what you're saying?

"OH HELL YES!!!" Put away your lube and tissues boy.

"IT'S ON!!!!!!!!!" Its already been brought-it...

"You F'ED up bro!!!!" I'm not your bro @$$wipe.

"1. I'm a programmer. Amongst many other things."

Examples of your work please. Your petty claims are meaningless banter.

"2. I read the OPINIONS in the article and I 100% disagree with them. This is where actually knowing WTF you're talking about comes in handy. There's a MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR difference between LOW memory being a bottleneck and HIGH memory falsely meaning more powerful."

It takes more power to run that RAM... RAM consumes power. Again, meaningless banter.

3. Even the term "powerful" is subjective. First off, WTF are they talking about? CPU power? Graphic power? There are two MAJOR TYPES of CPUs in every computer these days. I have to assume they are referring to GAME PLAY. The server I talked about is a DATA workhorse. It's 5 years old so imagine what CPUs that are in it? My desktop is brand new so imagine what CPU is in it? The SERVER doesn't have SQUAT for graphics. It has 8 CPUs and 32GB of memory. It can run SQL like a bat out of hell! Put crysis on it and that game wont run for SHlT!!!!! It doesn't matter HOW MUCH CPU power you have or HOW MUCH MEMORY you have if you don't shlt for a GPU."

Then why don't you put a nice GPU in your server and benchmark it instead of just assuming all this BS.

"So, jackass, use your pea sized brain and put two and two together. Just because a machine has 32GB of memory that does NOT mean MORE POWER!!!!"

Power is subjective. You use more power to power 32GB of RAM. If you purchase a PSU that can handle the extra load, you're not straining the system. You just don't get it.

"Thank you for this opportunity to slam your pathetic a$$ into the ground. It's been a while!!!"

Keep your homo-erotic urges to yourself you poor excuse for WWE-In-A-Forum.

Like I told Kaneco already, this will be my last message to you as I really don't like casting pearls before swine.

# Developers, apple, others — ilostchild 2009-07-31 06:26

It doesnt matter developers, apple or whoever else says this.. they should really start doing the homework on the stufff before making claims about a product/console..

Either or i give credit that the IPhone Is a great Smart phone... one of the best, but thats all it is.. its not better than a Console.. that are built for the specifically for gaming.(im not talking about hand held consoles)

Also they should stop comparing the iphone to consoles and start comparing to there kind PHONES! its jus a Phone

to some Bsing about how its better than all those phones.. to research on it saying its better than the G1 or something.. also.. does anyone know that apple is still stuck on 3G, when sprint already has 4G networking?

# You — jackstraw419 2009-07-31 08:04

are all a bunch of TOOLS.

# I'm a tool. — TheRockness 2009-07-31 08:44

I'll admit that I'm definitely a tool. I argue with fools as well.

Anyhow, they've released 3.0.1 to fix the SMS hack.

http://www.redmondpie.com/download-iphone-os-3.0.1-firmware/

# GPU — TheRockness 2009-07-31 12:24

Lets ask Mr. Owl... The world may never know.

Seriously though, I've worked with HP and Dell servers for the last 5 years and we've always been able to equip them with videocards. I'll admit that we don't get that many requests to have videocards in servers as we don't have as many game servers as we used to, but I haven't come across a quality server that can't handle an add-on video card. I'm not sure what this guy is using, but it probably has a slot for a videocard if it is a quality server. It might require a low profile card if its a 1u server, but I don't think many 5 year old 1u's could fit 32GB of RAM, so he might have a tower/low class server.

# GPU on Server.. — Guest 2009-07-31 12:33

maybe his server mobo doesn't support a GPU.....

# WTF!?!?!?!?! — ISOHaven 2009-07-31 13:39

"It takes more power to run that RAM... RAM consumes power. Again, meaningless banter."

Exactly my point you know-nothing moron. Power is subjective. This article does NOT address ELECTRICITY. God you are dumb! They are addressing horsepower. The fact that you stated, CONSUMS POWER even furthers my point. So now you are talking about power consumption. HTF does CONSUMPTION EQUAL OUTPUT? You don't know WTF you are talking about.

"Then why don't you put a nice GPU in your server and benchmark it instead of just assuming all this BS."

I'm not assuming anything. I proved WITH FACTS how this entire article is full of shlt. And this comment of yours right here JUST PROVED ME RIGHT!!! It takes a GPU to obtain what these idiots are after. NOT MEMORY. More memory DOES NOT EQUAL MORE POWER.

Even YOU proved me right!

"Power is subjective. You use more power to power 32GB of RAM. If you purchase a PSU that can handle the extra load, you're not straining the system. You just don't get it."

Once again you are a clueless moron. This article is NOT about power consuption. Go back to school....fool.

"I'm not sure what this guy is using, but it probably has a slot for a videocard"

I guess you are too stupid to have understood:

"The SERVER doesn't have SQUAT for graphics."

I guess I went over your head with that one. I also call BS on your "working with HP and Dell" servers claim. ALL HP servers come with video. Even the blade server controllers come with built in video. DL360, DL380, ML570.... the list goes on and on...they ALL come with built in video. Problem is, they are as BASIC and BASIC can get. Thus, they aint got SQUAT for graphics. In other words, VERY LOW POWERED.

# Ok slow head. — TheRockness 2009-07-31 16:34

Read my post once again. It might do you some good about how you reply.

"we've always been able to equip them with videocards." and " I haven't come across a quality server that can't handle an add-on video card."

And you come back with this!?

"ALL HP servers come with video. Even the blade server controllers come with built in video. DL360, DL380, ML570.... the list goes on and on...they ALL come with built in video. Problem is, they are as BASIC and BASIC can get. Thus, they aint got SQUAT for graphics. In other words, VERY LOW POWERED."

Seriously... Sell me what you're smoking. Please.

# Maaaan that took so long didn't it? — TheRockness 2009-07-31 16:38

http://www.qj.net/iPhone-OS-3-0-1-security-update-out-fixes-SMS-security-vulnerability-issue/pg/49/aid/133537

# ... — FreePlay 2009-07-31 17:28

"It takes more power to run that RAM... RAM consumes power. Again, meaningless banter."

"Power is subjective. You use more power to power 32GB of RAM. If you purchase a PSU that can handle the extra load, you're not straining the system. You just don't get it. "

You dumb motherf*cker.

He's talking about PROCESSING POWER. NOT ELECTRICITY. That's TWICE in ONE POST that you showed how ignorant you are.

# ... — FreePlay 2009-07-31 17:30

It took them over a day to release an absolutely top-priority systems-critical patch. Yes, that's SLOW.

# . — TheRockness 2009-08-01 02:24

You're entitled to your wrong opinion.

# No... — TheRockness 2009-08-01 02:29

That's quality assurance. You don't blow a patch out without testing it at all. Testing takes time. Over a day maybe? Their OS is stable because they spend time making it that way. The average uptime on my mbp is about 90 days. There's just no reasoning with self entitled people though.

# This is just a good example. — TheRockness 2009-08-01 02:40

Of where I shouldn't argue with fools. The bottom line is that the server can handle the addition of a videocard. HP and dell Servers Do indeed come with onboard video and I didn't say they did. I said if someone wanted to rent a game server from us, then they would have to rent a high end videocard depending on the application they were running. I don't know how that got twisted into "HP and Dell don't have video by default."

It's a proven fact that more RAM allows a system to do more work. If your software has been configured to take advantage of that RAM, then it will use it. Whether you are talking about ELECTRICITY or "HORSEPOWER" it doesn't matter, your system will be able to do more work. PERIOD. If you don't understand why that is true then I can't help you.

# asd — byzzyb 2009-08-01 05:40

I'm sorry to all of y'all but apple is definately just braggin'.

Paying everybody to say bullssh like this about their phone. Oh yeah.. next time it would be more powerful than a PS3? No... look it can't even beat my PSP in graphics, yes it's a nice phone with features that were available before it, all they did was just to create a phone from others' innovations, not theirs. Maybe even a HTC Touch-series phone could beat it. The only competiton for an iphone is the nintendo ds in my perspective..

...And yes, RAM is not everything! BUT! Due to the fact that the PSP has ~ 8 mb of memory and has better looking games than an iPhone will ever have proves the capatibility.

All that talk about developers, money, etc, time, battery makes no sense, because we've heard about tech demos before.. demos that have little work in them but have the goal to show what a machine is capable of. If they actually had the power they were talking about, they would show it to the world, not just brag about it and we've seen no proof of that yet...

Yes, accept the fact that it's just a smartphone that maybe or may not be better than it's competitor (phones!). I know it's hard but this is the truth, so again accept that IT'S ONLY A PHONE, NOT A COMPUTER, NOR A GAMING CONSOLE.

Anyway if I'd had the money for I'd purchase a macbook pro because it has really good features for me (like the HD lcd) but also alienware has better laptops in that money range.

btw. my sucky Sony Ericsson W660 has the features that took the iPhone devs 2 years to integrate in the iPhone OS, like COPY/PASTE!

good day everyone! :)

# LOL xD — Tekkenlord 2009-08-01 07:19

I just missed the hole argue between ISO and Rockness lol u guys do u realize u were arguing about TWO PIECE OF SH.IT.S the wii and the iphone both craps... lols xD

# LOL — FreePlay 2009-08-01 17:23

My opinion isn't wrong, you wet-brained f*ckstick. The article is about someone claiming the iPhone has MORE PROCESSING POWER than the Wii, not that it USES MORE ELECTRICITY. Your dumb ass has been ranting about ELECTRICITY. Your sh*t is f*cked, c*ckass.

# what's so important about the comparison? — wolfey2424 2009-08-01 18:47

Frankly I don't give a flying c.u.n.t (imagine that..) what people say about power of systems. I don't like the idea of comparing two different types of systems- a phone (that I think sucks!) with some capabilities similar to many other phones, to a home entertainment system- a game console. Frankly, I've seen the Wii do more things, and more useful things as well, than the iphone. I had a touch and did not like it (then sold the b@stard), therefore, am glad I didn't get an iphone, as I would have wasted even more money on it. What I'm saying, is that it really is up to individuals what preferences they have, and what they like. I have a Wii, and find it more entertaining, more useful/easier to use, more aesthetically pleasing, and crashes a hell of a lot less than iTurds in general when doing normal things such as playing an mp3 or a game. I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with the main issue of what's more powerful, I'm simply saying I think it's more important to compare systems based on what's important to you, not its limitations. Though I do agree- I'd like to see people focusing more on what systems CAN do, with overclocking, add-ons, etc, rather than what they have already done.

If you feel like being an asswipe, then feel free to flame. I probably won't check back though, so you may be wasting your time.

# WTF!?!?!?!?! — ISOHaven 2009-08-03 07:32

This rock idiot must have rocks in his head!!!

Adding a more powerful video card to the server proves ME RIGHT and proves YOU WRONG.

The fact that the server needs a better video card only further proves THE 32GB of MEMORY DOES NOT GIVE IT MORE POWER.

All the game playing power comes from the GPU. Memory does mean shlt.

Get that through your rock head!!!

# WTF!?!?!?!?! — ISOHaven 2009-08-03 07:36

This is where Rockhead proves he simply doesn't have what it takes to be knowledgeable enough to hold a conversation with the big boys!

Apple new about this security hole for a LONG TIME NOW. The only reason they showed it during the conference was because Apple was non responsive to the threat. The people that discovered the threat told Apple about it many weeks ago.

So YES, it took them way too long to fix it.

# I know right? — dyIantaIon 2009-08-12 12:52

2 of dumbest f. u cks on QJ arguing which one is better and then FreePlay piling on for the reacharound.

But yeah, ISOhaven has to bee the stupidest mother fu .cker on the planet to keep feeding the trolls

# one thing is for sure — dyIantaIon 2009-08-12 12:58

ISOhaven has to be the stupidest mother fu c.ker on the planet to keep arguing with the trolls.

easily the biggest rube on QJ

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