Sony rebutts PS3 'Fact Sheet' critics |
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And Sony remains to be intriguingly controversial as ever. With blow after blow coming its way, the company stands its ground and proves itself resilient against whatever negative news that may come its way.
Recently, criticisms came out regarding a released comparison fact sheet from Sony, which critics claimed to be a "slanted, heavily-spun size-up" comparison of the next-gen consoles. In the fact sheet, the US$499 20 GB hard drive-equipped PS3 is pitted against the US$ 299 Xbox 360 core unit, and the US$ 249 Nintendo Wii. At first blush, the immediate conclusion is that the PS3 clearly is the most expensive console.
Or is it, really?
According to the fact sheet, not necessarily so. The implication of the fact sheet is that the Xbox 360, after purchasing all the "necessary" add-ons, would actually amount to US$ 698. The breakdown is as follows: US$ 100 hard drive; US$ 199 HD DVD drive; US$ 150 wireless controller; US$ 50 12-month Xbox Live Gold Subscription. On the other hand, the 20 GB PS3 and Nintendo Wii sit comfortably at their respective MSRPs of US$ 499 and US$ 249, with all the comparable expenses already accounted for.
Well, the Xbox 360 comparison did raise a lot of eyebrows. However, SCEA senior director of corporate communications David Karraker was quick to clarify that when they say "required" add-ons, it didn't necessarily mean everything had to be purchased before you can make your console work. Instead, what it actually meant was that, "If you want to attempt to come close to the performance of the US$ 499 PlayStation 3 by using your Xbox 360, Core or Premium, you could only do that through expensive add-ons -- that is what our chart is demonstrating."
Now don't that give you a lot to think about?
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And Sony remains to be intriguingly controversial as ever. With blow after blow coming its way, the company stands its ground and proves itself resilient against whatever negative news that may come its way.
Recently, criticisms came out regarding a released comparison fact sheet from Sony, which critics claimed to be a "slanted, heavily-spun size-up" comparison of the next-gen consoles. In the fact sheet, the US$499 20 GB hard drive-equipped PS3 is pitted against the US$ 299 Xbox 360 core unit, and the US$ 249 Nintendo Wii. At first blush, the immediate conclusion is that the PS3 clearly is the most expensive console.
Or is it, really?
According to the fact sheet, not necessarily so. The implication of the fact sheet is that the Xbox 360, after purchasing all the "necessary" add-ons, would actually amount to US$ 698. The breakdown is as follows: US$ 100 hard drive; US$ 199 HD DVD drive; US$ 150 wireless controller; US$ 50 12-month Xbox Live Gold Subscription. On the other hand, the 20 GB PS3 and Nintendo Wii sit comfortably at their respective MSRPs of US$ 499 and US$ 249, with all the comparable expenses already accounted for.
Well, the Xbox 360 comparison did raise a lot of eyebrows. However, SCEA senior director of corporate communications David Karraker was quick to clarify that when they say "required" add-ons, it didn't necessarily mean everything had to be purchased before you can make your console work. Instead, what it actually meant was that, "If you want to attempt to come close to the performance of the US$ 499 PlayStation 3 by using your Xbox 360, Core or Premium, you could only do that through expensive add-ons -- that is what our chart is demonstrating."
Now don't that give you a lot to think about?
If you're gonna compare the lowest standards of console, that's what you really SHOULD do.
Comparing a upgraded Core with the lowest PS3 just doesn't make sense.
So in other words, nobody at Sony knows what the term "required" means. Unless it says otherwise, and it does not, "required" means you absolutely need it. And if what Sony's saying is true, why do they even bother listing the Wii, which isn't designed for the same kind of standard Sony is holding Microsoft to? Sony is always full of *****. If they don't recall and rewrite that "fact" sheet, it's incorrect, plain and simple. You can't lie and just assume everybody knows what you're trying to say.
Besides, not everyone cares about all those add-ons. Again, SOny is being arrogant and assuming everybody wants what they have. This is clearly not the case, and the closest they've come to realizing that is realizing that not everyone wants to pay 600 bucks for the system. So, instead of lowering the price in all regions (and the change in Japan wasn't even all that dramatic), they lied about the Xbox 360. Anybody can go into a gaming store, look at the packaging of the Xbox 360 or ask an employee, and realize that none of that stuff is "required." Even if Sony WASN'T lying and that really IS what they meant (which I highly doubt), that's still not what it says. It's really no better than me saying "I'm going to come to your house tonight and shoot you straight in the head" and then going to court and expecting the judge to care when I explain that i meant I would beat you with a headshot in Metroid Prime Hunters.
looks like it has extra special graphics...
I guess we didn't remember the past, did we?
PS2 System $299.99
Multiplayer Adapter $29.99
Network Adapter $39.99
Memory Unit (8 Meg) $24.99
Total to equal an Xbox: $395
Xbox System $299.99
DVD Remote $29.99
Total: $330
Even if the "More Powerful" system is "Cheaper" it really didn't matter. The System with the bigger lead (in this case the PS2) won the battle. History is repeating and this time Sony is scared. (or else why waste time with this garbage)
-V
Actually when you buy ps3 you also have to buy bluray-drive since it's integrated. On Xbox 360 you can just pass hddvd-drive, and get a cheaper console.
sony just lost alot of respect in by mind. I mean im getting a ps3 and wii and already have a 360 but thats just a low for sony then they come up with a lame excuse please :)
Switch the core to the premium that removes the hdd and the wireless controller, plus ps3 games are usually going to be 20$ more so after buying three games you have saved up for some xbl money and xbl 12 months.
Plus the xbox 360 gives you that option, if you dont have an hd tv and you arent planning to you can just get the premium and not worry anout the hd dvd, but if you do get a hd tv then just pay around 200$ for the drive. anyways
Premium= 400$
Wireless contrl 0$
HDD (30!!!!) soon to be 100 gb
Headset
Free 3 months xbl
Ethernet Cable
Componet HD/AV cable
+
HD DVD Drive 200$
600 bucks, the same price as the better version of the ps3, I doubt anyone is going to pay another hundred dollars for just 40 more gigs of hd space so Im looking for some other extra's in the ps3 600$
covering your asses again,
you don't need to purchase all that to make it have near performance of the ps3, the HD-DVD drive isnt necessary, and isnt even used to play games, it comes with one controller just like the ps3 will so including another controller is worthless.
While we are at it maybe we should say that the ps3 will need some "necessary" stuff to be like the 360, such as component cables (costs extra), and a new controller once your first one runs its battery and wont take charge anymore, because sony decides to put in a non user replaceable battery. If we are goign to get harsh on one console sony, you have to get harsh on everyone, including all your screwups.
And why be harsh to the wii, i mean you only stole their design for the controller.... SAD sad sony...
but yeah it does..
the "core" PS3 system is less expensive than an xbox 360 with a SIMILAR feature set.
the core ps3 can already play HD movies, and already has a FREE network. the wireless functionality is always there, no requirement to BUY the ACTUAL wireless controller separately..
with the Xbox 360 you have to BUY the HD-DVD drive, Wireless controller and Hard drive, AND xbox live membership!
fanboy reply.
sigh..
If sony STOLE the WII controller design then the ps3 would come with a PSWiimote. it doesn't. so f off.
Where is the 'choice' when buying a sony machine? You HAVE TO have this and you WILL be getting that. If you want a 360 and next gen gaming then it DOES NOT HAVE TO cost the top ammount, and lets face it the blu-ray drive is only gonna be for movies, which incidently it is lagging behind the HD-DVD format which remains the format of choice for movie buffs.
CUE PISSY3 RANT
(yes I will be getting a pissy3 and Wii but only because I can)
Seriously, either you guys can't read, or are just too young to understand what they meant doing it.
Yeah, it's marketing, they do it to show off how much you get buying the PS3, and what is REQUIRED to get similiar (though still not the same) level of features on other platforms.
Yes, you have to buy 20GB HDD, HD-DVD drive and XBL to make XBox 360 Core comparable with PS3, and then again you will have HD-DVD instead of superior Blu-ray, and Component instead of HDMI 1.3 .
Yes, PS3 is well worth it, just check out MotorStorm and Resistance, and superior multiplatform games.
sigh, this is pretty sad for sony to be doing this comparing a core to a ps3 very sad indeed atleast ms give me options.
whatever sony fanboys, go play with your square, circle, x, and triangle controller. LOL
You all sound like pre-teen girls going shopping. "Give me options mommy!" you all say.
WHATEVER!
Apparently nobody remembers last generation when the ONE THING Microsoft towted was their built in harddrive. Well excuse me, IT'S MY OPTION NOW!
Well if everyone loves options, then i guess you all love what Microsoft did with Lumines then ^^; Harddrive required of course.
all hail genesis and snes!
luminies may come to retail like other xbox live arcade games already have, so no harddrive is required, xbox 360 games do not require a harddrive, oblivion anyone, and that was last generation and the harddrive was nice to have but not neccessary.
with all the crap you have to add is crazy. Can we say SEGA! PS3 is all the crap in one box, one simple , yet powerful box.
The Sony people are @$$es
Core System 299.99
Wireless Controller 39.99
XBOX Live
yea man those were the days, but I think thats gonna happen again this time between sony and microsoft not nintendo and sega, of course, no disrespect to nintendo, but I say the supernintendo is the playstation 3 and the genesis is the xbox 360 and then again maybe not, I hope I don't offend anybody. I just had a thought.
Core System 299.99
Wireless Controller 39.99
XBOX Live 49.99
20 Gig Hard Drive 99.99
Wireless Network 99.99
Charge Kit 19.99
Wireless Controller
Core System 299.99
Wireless Controller 39.99
XBOX Live 49.99
20 Gig Hard Drive 99.99
Wireless Network 99.99
Charge Kit 19.99
Wireless Controller 49.99
No High Def Drive, yet later might be 199.99
If you want a cool system, cooler 29.99
Sony ....all out of one box
that`s a fact, you said. LOL. Again, another reason why is it all about the games....... just that!
Anyway SONY SUXS BALLZ!!! It`s so stupid!!!
Just admit that the PS3 is a better value lil kids lol
the point is that they said required for performance and in order for the 360 to equal the performance of the PS3 as a game machine it needs none of that. It doesn't even need a memory card. Also lets not forget that it has a HD Windows Media Center Extender build in so there is an added value for people and it has come in handy with even emulators comming out for it and browser software. Let's not forget XNA express as you can't quantify user made content and I think once things start rolling you'll see allot of that stuff.
$447- A Premium 360 at costco w/ 20GB HDD 2 wireless controllers, a game, headset, charger and rechargeable batt pack, and 6months of Live Gold
$599- PS3 Premium No Games One Controller Online N/A
At this point, Bluray aint as close to HD-DVD then everyone actually thought it would be.... HD-DVD and Bluray should not be even listed in the 'list' because you dont need either to play video games...
In the playing video games aspect, then Xbox 360 is clearly cheaper with its 399.99, plus 1 year os xbox live, 449.99.... While PS3 is still 499.99..... Now go cry...
Is no one from the Xbox Scene getting this?
How are 360 fans defining next generation?
Next generation from sony is WIFI, Bluetooth, Data storage, advanced DVD technology, advanced CPU, this is NEXT GEN.
As far as I can see the 360 fans think next gen is just better gfx.. MS wants Next gen to be Xbox with better graphics... Sony wants next gen to be that and oh so much more.
You can sit there are say "I dont want those extra features" but guess what kids, thats what the caliber of next gen is, if you feel that your next gen gaming needs dont require all the bells and whistles then stick with your 360.
PS3 is the Lamborghini Gallardo of the next gen consoles, 360 is the all new 2007 mustang, and the WII is a minivan. All aimed at different consumers, so drive around in your Mustang, and stare at awe when that Lamborghini passes you by.
Wireless Controller 39.99 (not required, already comes with a controller)
XBOX Live 49.99 (not required)
20 Gig Hard Drive 99.99 (not required)
Wireless Network 99.99 (you can still go wired)
Charge Kit 19.99 (not necessary, comes with corded controller)
Wireless Controller 49.99 (not required, why listed twice?)
No High Def Drive, yet later might be 199.99 (who needs this?)
If you want a cool system, cooler 29.99 (and this?)
^Those are not necessary. MS give you the option or the choice to buy them incase you need them. The only thing that may be necessary is a mem card and the Live (we still don't know what Sony online will be like!).
BTW, "out of the box", what about the component or HDMI cable?
Blue Ray is going to be a failure even sony isnt supporting it after 2008 . HD-DVD Already has more Companies after and and more palyers and videos sold. PS3 is on tios same way ps3 is going top be a failure.Xbox 360 is going to win this war!
Bobby hows the short bus to school treating you?
More players and Videos sold is true, but remember right now its an EXTREMELY immature market. If you remember RDRAM vs DDR2; RD was released earlier and had better sales, then DDR2 came back and dominated the market.
As far as more companies supporting HD vs BR? Well sorry bud but you couldnt be more wrong.
BR:
20th Century Fox
Buena Vista Home Entertainment
Electronic Arts
MGM Studios
Paramount Pictures
Sony Pictures Entertainment
The Walt Disney Company
Vivendi Universal Games
Warner Bros.
Apple Computer Corp.
Dell, Inc.
Hewlett Packard Company
Hitachi, Ltd.
LG Electronics Inc.
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Panasonic (Matsu*****a Electric)
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
TDK Corporation
Thomson
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney Pictures and Television
HD:
Buena Vista Home Entertainment
New Line Cinema
Paramount Pictures
The Walt Disney Company
Universal Studios
Warner Bros.
Memory-Tech Corporation
NEC Corporation
Sanyo Electric Co.
This list goes on a lot longer, in the end though companies backing BluRay are more than HD, thats NOT saying that those companies supporting bluray will ignore the other format, these are business' and of course will develop both untill one wins. What you have to realize is this:
PS3 is not going to flop regardless of its price, its going to sell out and be in huge demand, so what right? Well sony "forces" you to have a blueray with your ps3, so by selling 4million ps3 units they just got 4million bluray devices into the market, now why would those 4million people go buy a HD-DVD player for the same cost of their ps3? They wont... Now MS didnt include HD-DVD as mandatory so its an option, so for every 360 sold they will be lucky to sell 20% of their current system sales in HD-DVD addons at 199.99. Unless they bundle in the near future.
Seems to me like BluRay will have quite the userbase.
SONY doesn't market PS3 as a gaming machine, they market it as a home entertainment center, and that's exactly what it is.
And X360 does require HDD if you want to play online.
So yeah, 299 + 250 for XBL + 99 for HDD + 50 for controller + 15 for play and charge kit - just to match PS3's gaming functionality, and then additional 199$ to have dying hi-def disc format, and you still have weak sound and video quality because of no HDMI port.
heh, this is a first. i don't think i've ever heard the ps3 called a "value" system before.
how can you say that bluray is a failure? can you show us some links how many hd-dvd player have been sold vs bluray sold around the world? then factor those total numbers after the ps3 launch. blu-ray will have the lead easily because of the 500,000 PS3 owners this nov. 17. and by next year around march 2007 it will total to 5 - 6 million PS3 owners as long as SONY can deliver the PS3 on time. when that time comes, blu-ray will have a huge lead and blu-ray movies will begin to pick up.
the first hd-dvd player was released in the market by TOSHIBA last march 31, 2006 in Japan and April 18, 2006 here in the US. if you factor the total hd-dvd player sold by "march 2007" and XBOX 360 add on, do you think how many it will sell? is it 500K, 1 million, or 1.5 million? you do the math. heck thats a small number compare to PS3 owners and stand alone blu-ray player owners. blu-ray will win the format...i'm pretty sure every one knows how to use ADDITION right?
this whole core system+hdd+wire less controller=$450 arguement is bunk, because no one buys them seperate when they can get them in the premium system with a headset and high-def cables for $400.
the hd-dvd drive is pointless, because if you wait a year or so you will be able to buy a single player that can play both blu-ray and hd-dvd, and we still have no real idea if sony's "free" on-line system will be as good as microsoft's.
this is exactly as many nintendoites thought. this whole discussion ps3 supporters and 360 supporters have been fighting. wii will be embraced by the general public, not the "hardcore" gamers. i think wii will have sales considerably better than either of its competitors.
Im sorry everyone you hang out with is dirt poor then...
Target market for PS3 is 20-30 years of age. If your 20+ and your going to buy a next gen gaming console, you can find the funds no problem. If you 17yrs of age and working minimum wage and rely on mummy and daddy to buy ur games then of course 600 is too much.
NOBODY WANTS A FU*KING CORE SYSTEM!!!!
the people who buy the core systems are the ones without xboxlive and just want to play a simple game, and could care less about paying more or not, they just get the cheap one...soon to be a wii
NEXT! the premium system is what people should buy... the core is stupid, however nice for above stated scenarios.
i don't need HD DVD
so here we have it...
xbox 360 - $399
xboxlive - $50
if i recall that equals to about $449
and i get wireless controller, HDD, headset
why buy a core ifyou want to play online.. you show your own ignorance and if you are that dumb.. buy a ps3
You dont HAVE to buy the HD DVDV add on.
The 20gb hard drive comes with the premium package.
Its basically saying, To get the 360 to have as many features (that Some WONT USE) as the PS3, it would cost more. Stupid comparison.
Nice responce guy
447$+199$+ 646$ Ignorant
So true COSTCO RUllze!!!
just because sony has it and 360 doesnt, then its automtically next gen?
360 has stuff that sony will never have, so it it "almost-next-gen"
why cant anyone take things in context of intelegent thought anymore?...
look even without the hd-dvd drive which isnt needed for gaming... gasp the core systems differ only by a single dollar... for a dollar more you get rechargable blutooth controllers, bluray, and hdmi... plus 6 more and you can get a memory card adapter for all your old games too.
I know i know its unfair right? because MS gives you a choice...
you do need at least a memory card for your games,unless you want to start over every time
you can get yourself a wifi controller but then youd be eating up batteries unless... you got a charge n play adapter for it some more money for ya
backwards compatibility? gotta download the patches for that... that takes up more memory card space...
go online and play other people... theres some more money for you to spend...
MS gives you a choice so their console looks cheaper and people can just go buy the extras on whim easier
Sony may make it hard to swallow by giving you everything up front.. .but it settles easier when you go through your checking account and not have to see all the extra charges for your whims...
Free online everything cept buying things... if they make their online system work on par or even slightly less the XBL then it will be great and free too
Two sku... Sony said MS caused confusion with them and scuffed at them for it.,.. Yes? yeah they did with good reason, go into walmart this season and stay in the electronics for a while, youll get more unknowlegable parents asking more questions about the two 360 types than the ps3's two types. PS3 premium has extras that dont cripple the system when its without, thats why its premium. You dont buy a car with out doors do you?
Yes they turned around and are using the same marketing as MS did for launch... but is there really any confusion? is either system crippled from needed features? are you going to have to buy extras to keep from burning through batteries?
Your a moron, 90% of consumers never use 50% of the features of tech products they buy. Your avg PC ships with a DVD burner, of which MOST people dont use. Digital Cameras come with so many MP that are not needed for your standard 4x6 picture.
So no your right you dont need the HD-DVD add on, but in a year from now when games require more space youll have 2 options:
Option 1: Buy the 2+ DVD version and change discs when required.
Option 2: Buy a HD-DVD add-on then buy the HD-DVD version of the game that I GUARANTEE will be released.
So you may not need it now, but im damn dure youll need it in the future. And dont tell me your 20GB or even 100GB HD is gona hold HD games, cos it wont. Portable media isnt going anywhere for a very long time.
Blu ray does have more GB of space and there fore can provide more content on their discs, but from a visual standpoint, they look nearly identical...and some have even said the HD-DVD's look better than the Blu Ray disc that is out now...
I cant believe people are still trying to compare the 360 to the PS3, or even the Wii, Ok first of all the 360 is the only one that is actually out on the market, it is the only one that is being played, so you cant compare it to something that doesnt even exist. And secondly you shouldnt even talk about the PS3's price because its not even for sale yet, and you cant say its online is free because its not even online!!, In fact it doesnt even plan on being online for the first year. Now other the other end of the spectrum is the Wii, hmmm yeah this is very inovative and new, but its definetly not impressive, yeah i can wave a controller around the room and wow my friends but graphicly its not much better than the Game Cube. If you want a kick ass machine that is backed by an impressive company then you should really think about buying a 360, and going online, because that my friends is what its all about!
yeah, all of those are not required, You forgot to mention that the PS3 wont be Hi-Def ready out of the box. You need to first buy Cables to actually play on HDTV's. It needs a HDMI cable or a componant/av cable. And he ment the Intercooler for the "cool" system. He ment physically cold. If you want it cool, dont put it in an entertainment center, or keep a fan centered on it. I am going to buy the HD-DVD player because I got the 360 and why the hell would I wanna buy the Sony's bargain BluRay disc player when Hollywood is getting more and more ground on HD-DVD. last time I checked Universal Studio's movies are on HD-DVD. So what ever, If you choose PS3, you want free Sony Online (Which sucks like a mother) want a bargain Blu-Ray disc player (Which has crappy movies) and want to play games that are on the xbox 360 already and has superior online play. And I see what sony did with the internal batteries on their wireless controller, if they loose charge, you cant replace them (You probably could with online retailers) but the average everyday user would have to either use it wired, or go out and buy a new wireless controller.
wake up, motorstorm and resistance look like *****
where the genesis had better games and less sales, b/c the snes had better mass marketing
Yes! I know, I wanted to buy one from costco in my area (Seattle) But They didnt get stock untill about a week later it was released so I waited at Target for awhile. This, my friend, is a true value package, I forgot ALL about it, Thank you my friend.
But Im pretty sure Costco will have a "value pack" PS3, cept it'll just cost less than actually BUYING it at target, wallmart, ect.
in my circle of friends and coworkers i already made a survey. out of 22 people i talked to...2 will not buy it because they own a XBOX 360 already. 7 people will buy a PS3 on launched day. and the remaining 13 will buy it next year or once a they do a price drop.
you may say what are the credentials of that survey. well 10 of those 22 people i talked to a XBOX owners hardcore fans. if XBOX owners fan are waiting to buy a PS3, then that means they are not satisfied with their XBOX games. again, i never said that they will never buy a XBOX 360, but their priority is to buy a PS3 first before buying a XBOX 360. we are all 20-30 yrs old. and some of them have family and kids. and we all lived here in San Francisco just to let you know.
whats all this "have too", "must" and "required". The thing with the 360 is there OPTIONAL!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! say it with me now OP-TION-AL!!!!! Get it? Good! Sony have aimed in one direction and microsoft in another, you'll buy which ever console you want to play your games on, i.e. halo+360, gran turismo+ps3 and so on. They are both great consoles!!!!!
Wow this is the most biased thing i have ever seen. Who the hell even bought the "core" version of an xbox. They take the core package and add everything that is missing compared to the premium pack, making it basically 2x the prise. Stupidest thing i have ever seen!
it makes me sad how defensive 360 FANBOYS are both system are great but if your have the money and more out of your system then you get the ps3. the comparison between the 2 console is right so stop making a huge deal of it.
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GUYS, DONT GET SO HAPPY THAT WII CONSOLE COST $250, BECAUSE IF U WANT TO UNLOCK ALL THE WII's FEATURES U NEED TO PAY.................
wii console---$250
wii controller--$400 (cause 4 of them)
wii claxControll--$150 (cause 4 of them)
game cube controll---$90 (cause 4 of them)
wii memory SD card--$100? (if u wana play MP3)
wii online-----$50 after 6 month(50 every month)
PLUS UR GAMECUBE AND WII GAMES
TOTAL : $1000+
IM A NINTENDO FAN AND THEY ARE TRICKING U!!
if u want to get all the feature on wii u will need to spend about $1000 + games
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Hey, Sony why not add a wireless wheel, a wireless headset, and a vision cam. I mean those are "required" too right. Hey look Xbox 360 is $950 and our beloved PS3 is still only $599. Cmon.... Obviously, PS3 fans will be like "Yes, GO Sony!" but let's try to do this a little differently.
How come Sony doesn't say a HDMI or an HD cable is required. (Not in the core PS3, don't know about the premium PS3) I mean if BR is required then so is the HDMI cable right, otherwise it defeats the purpose of BluRay.
"Oh crap, forgot about that one. Good Call" - Sony
How many people have HDTVs and How many of those with HDTV will use a console other than for playing games. Well let's do the math: about 10% of people have HDTVs (I'm being nice). And out of those 10%, maybe 25% will actually use it for movies on a PS3 (Remember HD-DVD and BR movies are $20 more than DVDs, so yea...) Let's say Sony sells 500,000 for launch which with no doubt will happen. 500,000*0.1*0.25= 12500 BR users Hmmm, not an instant 500,000 people base with BR is it?. Same will happen with the HD-DVD addon for 360. So boom 2 points in one: 1. PS3 won't help out BR that much 2. HD-DVD is not required and very few will buy it. Since the majority won't buy the HD-DVD addon, we can easily take out HD-DVD out of the equation because WE CAN. Too bad I can't rip out the BR drive out of the PS3 cause its integrated. So, $599 no matter what.
Hey Sony, PS3 core system once bought will not have WiFi support.... No matter what. Its just not there. 360 people at least buy one, but PS3 core people can't. So why did I bring this up, because no one will buy the PS3 core system . Its crap. Lets just use the PS3 premium system. So don't flamed me for using the Premium system just to make the price sound higher. (Same applies to Xbox 360 core system)
Any idiot knows that add-ons separately are always more expensive than bundles. So let's use Premium Xbox 360 and Premium PS3 as I mentioned why in the previous paragraph).
Premium Xbox 360 ($400)
Wifi Adapter ($100)
12 month XBL ($50)
TOTAL: $550
Premium PS3 ($600)
HD cable ($40) - if not included in the box
-------or---------------
HDMI cable ($100) - if not included in the box
TOTAL: $700
Hmmm...... Then again, 360's Live is better because only cheese in a mouse trap is free. Cmon, seriously, how will sony maintain PS3's Online gaming.... You have to maintain the servers somehow which means you got to pay people. Sony is already losing money which is a first for them and don't plan on losing more just to make you happy.
One of three things will happen (TAKE MY WORD):
1. They make you pay down the road (Not directly, but separately for games) so there is no lag.
2. They'll copy Microsoft and have two subscription types. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX PEOPLE. They said that the Store, Downloads, Friend Chat is ALL GOING to be free. Well yea, you can do same with 360 (Silver membership - $0) BUT GAMES ONLINE, they never mentioned anything about the GAMES. (I smell something Gold along the lines - paid subscription).
3. IT WILL BE FREE - but lag happens. (Take economics - OPPORTUNITY COST) You always sacrifice something for something else. It's a given.
So maybe I should take out XBL out of the equation too for now.
New Totals:
Xbox 360 - $500
PS3 - $700
PS3 fanboys don't flame me because you know as well as I do, its all part of Marketing. I mean. For god's sake, the comparisons came directly from SONY. (no bias right?). Obviously, they need a way to justify PS3's price over 360's. This is the only route they could take. (Pretty low eh?) But then again, why should I get flamed right. This is a 360 site and why in a world would a PS3 fanboy read this. Only one reason I can think of: Justify PS3 and defend it? Jealous maybe?
...buy the system you want, and let the other guy buy the system he wants. I know in the US it's pretty bad with Big Brother telling you what to do, but that doesn't mean you have to force your beliefs onto the other guy.
So wow a 10$ HDMI cable is not included, boo hoo, I ready have two, get em online dweebs, lol.
To the consumer optional just means "you wont use it that much" like the HDD.... you want cache? well.... maybe, sometimes, if we get around to it. Oh you don't want to switch discs in the middle of Madden 10? Sorry, we didn't think ahead about that, we could just gimp the HD and possibly the over content though.
Yeah... optional content is the way to go with Next-gen. Sorry... Ill pay $600
XBOX360... gimped right out of the box
"Requires users to buy" is reffering in this case to optional equipment that when comparing it to a similar product a user is REQUIRED to buy. The word requires in this case is used to say "If you want youre 360 to compete with PS3 you MUST buy these things as a REQUIREMENT" You misread what they were trying to say. Don't worry I misread it to.
XBOX came out over a year later than the PS2. Not only that but XBOX had something to prove then. They had to make a name for themselves to even compete. So yeah, its cheaper, but did they ever turn profit? no. So XBOX was not feasible. Also, I would hardly say the "multiadapter" would constitute an even semi necessary purchase. That thing was gimped from day one. Lets be serious here, if you want multiplayer, its online. I dont find many people playing 4+ players at home anymore. Not only that, but we are talking a $60 difference in the case you mentioned ($30 without the multiplayer adapter which I bought one for $10 anyway) So really with a one year difference and all these factors, XBOX wasnt that great either. Par at best.
and if you WANT HD-DVD games then you have to go somewhere else. and if you WANT superior graphics you have to go somehwere else. and if you WANT to have HDD caching you have to go somewhere else. So for those of you that don't want these things buy an XBOX 360, the console for people that don't WANT anything.
Yes you stupid idiot we will play with our x,square,circle and triangle buttons. You can go play with a,b,x,y buttons LOL!. Very silly to make fun of the buttons+| xbox 260 has very similar features+o
check out
www.gamesindustry.biz
they have an article on how they will be "replacing" the controllers that have batteries die out "if and when" though they say the batteries should last for many years.
Thats good, I like new controllers every few years, im ok with that.
You don't like new controllers? Oh, well I can sell you some old NES controllers that should be right up your alley, and they still work.
Where is Sony getting that the Wii's Internet service is only free for 6 months?
This chart is a bunch of lies. Sony is a bunch of liars. And they are so far in the whole that they are stretching things to try and make up for their lost ground.
If you buy the $399 Premium unit it comes with a wireless controller and one year of Xbox Live, striking $100 off that screwed up total. That means you would only need to buy the HD-DVD add-on for $199, making it $598, to compare it to the 20GB PS3 model. A $99 difference, not $199.
What do you say about that Phony?
"Any idiot" knows that HDMI cables do not cost $100... unless you like getting ripped off by Monster
You're not getting flamed by a PS3 fanboy, but by a normal, rational person.
And "will", the comparsion is not right and you know it. They compared the Core + HDD + 1 year XBL + wireless controller to Premium PS3 for Christ's sake! Who would buy all that after a Core? Who would buy a Core in the first place? Like the guy above me said, buying the Premium comes with all those things, taking $100 off that total Sony gave. Just be quiet
I know there is a flaw on that SONY Fact Sheet. But here is the corrected one. I'll give you four scenarios based on my computation. Here are the things that each owner should buy when purchasing a PS3 Premium or XBOX 360 Pro. And its a MUST!
1. XBOX 360 Pro - $400
- quick charge kit - $30 (need to charge your wireless controller)
- 5 Yrs XBL subscription - $250
TOTAL : $680
2. XBOX 360 Pro - $400
- quick charge kit - $30 (need to charge your wireless controller)
- 5 Yrs XBL subscription - $250
- HD-DVD player - $200 (optional)
TOTAL : $880
3. PS3 Premium - $600
- HD cable - $40
- Headset - $20
- 5 Yrs Playstation Online subscription - $0
TOTAL : $660
4. PS3 Premium - $600
- HDMI cable - $100
- Headset - $20
- 5 Yrs Playstation Online subscription - $0
TOTAL : $720
Why would you take out XBL on your equation? PS3 owners can go and play online for FREE. That is not the case with XBOX 360 when you want to play HALO with other players. that's why developers put the online feauture in that game so it can be used. If you compare it XBOX 360 is still expensive than PS3. And take note we have Blu-ray, extra 40GB hard drive, SD slot and WiFi. Take note that is not included in my computation.
HALO 3 is the most anticipated game for XBOX 360. In order for you to appreciate that game FULLY you need to subscribe for XBL gold. so again why would you take out XBL in your equation? That's the REMAINING bragging rights of every XBOX 360 owner...remember?
PS3 online is FREE..same as PC. And that's not gonna change. Who's jealous? When we can play FREE online.
PS3 games are not $20 more than Xbox 360 games. They are the same price. ($60)
That is exactly what I am thinking.
"So you may not need it now, but im damn dure youll need it in the future. And dont tell me your 20GB or even 100GB HD is gona hold HD games, cos it wont. Portable media isnt going anywhere for a very long time."
8 gbs the size of my thumbnail... want to continue to tell me that portable media isn't much of anything?
100gb is not enough to hold HD games?... seems like DVDs do pretty well at just that.. so i'm assuming 100 gb will be enough.. which will never be necessay...as xcompression gets betters and real time rendering.. who needs all that space..
You DO need the HDD, sorry dude I had my 360 for a week without it and it was hell, I could'nt do anything, I sure the hell was'nt going to buy a $60 mem card just to into Xbox live!!!
1. you can't update without HDD
2. you can't download!
As for commponent cables I sure the hell didn't get any.
This is what I paid for after I got the core ( Huge ass mistake!!)
1 360 core $512 Cnd
1 HDD $130 Cnd
1 Wireless controles $60 Cnd
1 year sub for Xbox live $80 Cnd
$782.00 and thats without any game!!
Umm, yea...
Console: $250
Control w/Nunchuk: $60 for 3 sets
(umm..whats a claxControll?)
(no need to buy gamecube controls, only if you already got them....)
SD card: around $20 for 2 gigs, do some shopping
(Maybe two classic remotes: $40 for 2)
(has online even been anounced?)
Also, why are you throwing in a gamecube n such?
games are expected $30 - $50(not official)
Total + console+control s+n the sd stick for the heck of it, so like, $380 n probably $450 with some games.
ref. http://wii.qj.net/index.php?pg+49+aid+68647
are you just some bored kid or something,(i just got some time before i gotta go to work...)
@ Somewhere
Main you didn't read my last paragraph or comepletely missed my point:
"Hmmm...... Then again, 360's Live is better because only cheese in a mouse trap is free. Cmon, seriously, how will sony maintain PS3's Online gaming.... You have to maintain the servers somehow which means you got to pay people. Sony is already losing money which is a first for them and don't plan on losing more just to make you happy.
One of three things will happen (TAKE MY WORD):
1. They make you pay down the road (Not directly, but separately for games) so there is no lag.
2. They'll copy Microsoft and have two subscription types. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX PEOPLE. They said that the Store, Downloads, Friend Chat is ALL GOING to be free. Well yea, you can do same with 360 (Silver membership - {COMMENT_BODY}) BUT GAMES ONLINE, they never mentioned anything about the GAMES. (I smell something Gold along the lines - paid subscription).
3. IT WILL BE FREE - but lag happens. (Take economics - OPPORTUNITY COST) You always sacrifice something for something else. It's a given." -cerberus414
The two will cancel each other out. Rofl. Remember my words. Sony or Developers WILL CHARGE MONEY FOR ONLINE GAMING.
sorry but SONY have reiterated again and again that if PC is FREE then PS3 too when it comes to playing online games. the only thing that i can see PS3 owners paying online is extra content. example are extra levels, extra weapon, classic jerseys or classic players (michael jordan) when it comes to sports games. but it will still be FREE. EA and SEGA have been doing online games way before XBOX LIVE. they didn't even charge the PS2 owners for a dime.
If PC developers can find ways not to charge consumers, so can SONY. FREE online capabilities is one of their selling point why would they change their strategy? Advertisement is one way they can generate income. Maybe SONY can take a lesser share for their royalties to those developers who implement online features for their game. If they say that its FREE, then literally its FREE. They are not dumb to charge PS3 "potential" buyers because once they do that nobody is going to buy a PS3...duh! It seems like you want SONY to charge their consumers like what MICROSOFT is doing to you. Sorry it won't happen....keep dreaming...hehe.
Does anyone realize sony never publicly released the specs for their GPU, Microsoft did, xbox 360, 500 million polygons per/sec, how fast is the playstation 3 GPU, anyone knows, send me a link or something, please send me a reliable source like nvidia, not word of mouth, please.
You said (So you may not need it now, but im damn dure youll need it in the future). I say when in the future if it is 5 years from now it will not matter we will all be looking foward to the next game systems, remember sony did say they want playstation 3 to last 10 years but I doubt anyone will care about playstation 3 when the next systems come out, just like playstation 2 is slowly going to die when playstation 3 comes out.
You forgot the Xbox live. You've gotta include that if you're including the Network Adapter.
How the hell are they being harsh to the Wii? It's listed as cheaper than the PS3.
Saying that Sony stole the design of the Wiimote is completely stupid, and discredits your whole argument. The only similarity is the tilt sensor, and that is nothing new. If you think Nintendo invented that, you need to get your facts straight.
nobody wants it, but that is what some people got and they are happy with it. the core system is like a last generation setup (wired controller, memory card, no harddrive, etc, like playstation 2) but with next gen graphics and gameplay.
the PS3 is the ferrari of game consoles.
Yeah the DVD games will cost the same, but at this moment Sony doesn't have the guts to tell everybody the price of their blu-ray games. They are waiting for the launch day to hit the poor bastards who buy the system with a tag of $80.00, $90.00 or even $100.00 bucks because "is new technology" and everybody wants it. And don't come here with stupid comments , becuse what I'm saying real, in less that a month the PS3 launches, and the price for this games is not revelaed yet.
They said launch titles will be .99 just to match Xbox's prices. Meaning, if it wasn't for the Xbox 360, we'd be all buying PS3s with games costing over . They might still implent higher prices down the road though because right now all they care about is people buying out their consoles, and having games at this moment wouldn't be the best choice.
Also, @ somewhere
What Online PC games are you talking about. If you mean like Steam: Counter Strike, Half-Life, etc. Then yea, but those games are from the last decade. What about current gen games like WoW? /month. Man that rocks. Even Final Fantasy Online for PC is a paid subscription (/month). Since WoW has over 7 million people playing, they need some nice servers which you need to maintain, you also need Moneh!!!. But what's nice about WoW is that servers are almost flawless (no lag), they got GMs and amazing Customer Service. If you think Sony will do all that for free, then you my friend are an idiot. The only reason why steam doesn't charge money is because they are flooding it with new games right now which is paying off. (Oh yea they were also out for 6 years now, a little too late you might say)
Its not .99. I meant to say 59.99
games for the ps3 arent $20 more they're the same price $59.99
"costing over $80"
These no comment thingies suck cuz they don't register half of my words.
and you'll be complaining when you get those multi disc 360 games because dvds cant hold enough data
blu ray is superior because of 1080p support... also movie image quality is up to the studio who remasters it... it has nothing to do with the format used (other than the fact that hd-dvd does not support progressive scan at 1920x1080)
250 for XBL / XBL is only 50$ what the hell have you been smoking .. and Listen HDMI does not improve the Video and or Audio.. A system with component and with A prologic or DTS or Optical oout which the 360 already has gives you the 100% o the sound that's on the game disc .. So what does HDMI have to do with this .. For some reason some one out there has been spreading FUDD That next gen is only through HDMI.. and that's false .. HDMI is only a cable replacement technology adn will allow future copy protechtion through HDCP digital authentication of equipment ..No improvement in sound or Video will be had so why the constant bringing up of this .. Please read up ... youre making your self look like an idiot...
@cerberus414
About PRICING, it would still be $60 for most of the games and $70 for AA games. If they are going to raise the price, then that would be 3 yrs from now or more in my opinion. If they going to raise it, it will only be $5 more...so you are looking around $65 for regular games and $75 for AA games down the road. If you think about it that's a 50GB Blu-Ray which plays 1080p compare to your DVD9.
About ONLINE, WOW, Final Fantasy Online, EverQuest, City of Villains etc. are all MMORPG. MMORPG is not FREE where did you get that idea...IDIOT? I never said that MMORPG is FREE...you did...not me. Except for GUILD WARS...they might release a MMORPG free online but i doubt that it will happen. But other than that all genres like SPORTS, FPS, Fighting, Adventure, etc. are all free and don't need subscription.
How about EXCLUSIVES games? Where are the exclusive games for XBOX 360? most of the AA games that are supposed to be exclusive are coming out on PC and PS3 too. All that's left are GOW, Bioshock, and HALO and they are all FPS, where's the variety of that? FPS won't save XBOX 360 alone. Blue Dragon is the only RPG worth mentioning. And without the support of Japanese developers they will never dominate the gaming industy...and that's a FACT!
I think the playstation side of qj has the same comments, I think they have the same comments as the xbox side.
Three types of games sell in japan the most, action, sports, and rpgs, xbox 360 has lost odyssey, infinite undiscovery and more rpgs coming exclusively, xbox 360 also have third party games, winning eleven soccer from konami, that game sold a million units on playstation 2 in japan alone. Dead rising, Lost planet and resident evil 5 from capcom, and more games that we have not seen yet, I don't know if xbox 360 can sell more hardware than playstation 3, but if xbox 360 keeps coming out with more games to appeal to the japanese market then they may have a chance, some people may laugh at that idea, but I think that because of the high price of the playstation 3, it is possible.
i dont care really if the ps3 is more expensive compared to 360, in the end next gen consoles should have power (not brick size kind of power) in the processor, graphics and gameplay. this all should be done in a single box not 1 with external components.
every company apporoaching a different audience. leave it at that
well i save 100 dollars over the ps3 to simply not get the hd dvd drive. hell thats the only thing that costs and arm or leg. Don't forget that XBox live PS doesn't compare w/ the unorganized laggy POS online capabilities.
"and you'll be complaining when you get those multi disc 360 games because dvds cant hold enough data"
dvd-9 holds enough data 9 gigs is enough g.r.a.w is 1.85 gigs and oblivion is 4 gigs when halo2 is 5. you can compress the data down we will likely have to swap the disk in 6-7 years may be more. oblivion has not been compressed down to the max and could be put down to 2 gigs. wow over 20 gigs in a dvd-9 blue ray means developers don't have to compress the data.360 can compress the data with out lossing the quality
" blu ray is superior because of 1080p support... also movie image quality is up to the studio who remasters it... it has nothing to do with the format used (other than the fact that hd-dvd does not support progressive scan at 1920x1080)"
the 360 now supports 1920x1080 from the fall update i now enjoy the 1080p gamming
not relay you can pay less for the premium 360
the 360 is next gen you ps3 fanboys are thick i bought a games console unlike sony m$ concentrate on gamin first not a gay battle of who can put the most ***** in the console. sony's plan 1: blue ray 2:compete agenst xbox live 3:release movies for blue ray last but not least 4: put games on the GAMES CONSOLE!!!! note the words games console m$ plan 1:get games on the console 2:xbox live and community 3: dvd and media.i want to play games on my games console not watch movies and if i wan to watch hd-dvd's i will buy the addon next gen is about games not media and wifi bluetooth and the 360 has a move advanced cpu than the ps3 think of Assassin's Creed on the 360 has better ai than the ps3 cus the 360 can be easily be developed for ps3 has more cores 7 vs 3 but one is reserved for os another for the developers and the other for the games so 5 vs 3. 3 good vs 5 bad the larger the number is not all ways good
it is a common fact that hd-dvd has a better picture quality than blue ray this may change i the near future but now i would just stick with dvd or hd-dvd cus blue ray is a waste of money blue ray at the moment looks a tiny bit better than a normal dvd.hd-dvd at the moment looks better but this could change
ok the 360 dose not need the hdd to play on xbl you could buy the memory card the hdd is for more storage and for backwards compatibly for the xbox games eg halo2 if you dont have the hdd you can ask m$ for a disk that allows you to play the xbox games.ok $250 for 5 years you ps3 fanboy
sonys system will require updates to for compatibility as some games won't function properly.
plus who would get an 360 core system which is basically gimped when you could by the premium system which is actually cheaper then sonys core system?
why would you compare 2 core systems when you know the 360 premium system is still cheaper and has all those features as the ps3 system. xbox live is free for silver membership but it blows.