Some developers like profitability of Wii, but Xbox and PS3 supporters have something to say

Posted Nov 19, 2006 at 11:41AM by QJ Staff Listed in: PS3, Wii, Xbox 360 Tags: Electronic Arts, Microsoft, Reuters, Sony, Ubisoft
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The Wii's low game development costs
According to a Reuters article (which you can read at the Reuters site), Wii games sell for about US$ 50, while PS3 and Xbox 360 games cost more (about US$ 60 for most new games). So you spend 17% less on a Wii game than on other games. But game development costs for the Wii are about half of game dev costs for the PS3 or Xbox 360. Sometimes, game dev costs for the Wii are even less, says Reuters.

The Wii's powerful allies: the game developers
Do the math. If you're spending 17% less on a Wii game, but game developers spent 50% less on that Wii game, then it looks more profitable to make a Wii game. This is why some game makers are Nintendo's new "powerful allies". Not only are these developers excited about the Wii's innovative features (Wii remote, etc.), they're really excited about the profits.

And what about the high game development costs of making games for the Xbox 360 and PS3? Reuters says, "In their attempts to future-proof their machines with gee-whiz technology, Microsoft and Sony are forsaking the immediate profits Nintendo will reap with the Wii." In other words, the Xbox 360 and the PS3 are trying to tempt game developers with better graphics than the Wii. But the Wii has convinced some game developers that you don't need to have better graphics - you only need to be cheap, fun, and profitable. Yeah, that's why I think the Wii is easy like Sunday morning.

Is cheap fun the way to go? Laurent Detoc of Ubisoft thinks so, and it looks like EA is starting to think so. "Does it have to have high-end graphics to be fun? No," said Detoc. Ubisoft, according to Reuters, will release eight Wii titles within the month of the release. Meanwhile, Electronic Arts' Nick Earl said EA's support for Nintendo is the highest in over a decade.

Being cheap can be a good thing
We all have to admit that a console must be profitable to stay alive. This is one lesson in the Wii. Low costs make it easier to turn a profit. It's an intelligent business model, and it makes the Wii attractive to developers who might be more willing to innovate, experiment, and invest real money when it comes to Wii games. In other words, they're more willing to push fun (instead of investing heavily on graphics) so we can have fun too.

Link - Smash Bros for WiiKid Icarus - Smash Bros for WiiMario and Link - Smash Bros for Wii


The response from the Xbox 360 and the PS3 side: POWER WINS!
I can't see that far into the future, and who knows what else the companies might have up their sleeves. But what if the Wii is only poised for a short-term lead while the Xbox 360 and the PS3 are geared up for the long marathon?

Look at it this way...

The graphics and the power of the Xbox 360 and PS3 translate to higher ramp-up costs for game developers. But then, the big, confident, and consistently good game developers might not care because they often come up with stunning games like Gears of War (or Viva Pinata) and Resistance: Fall of Man. In other words, there are developers willing to invest because they know they'll get stunning games that will sell well.

Tekken for PS3 - REALISTIC SWEAT FOR GOODNESS SAKETekken for PS3 - REALISTIC SWEAT FOR GOODNESS SAKE

Game developers for Wii games have to invest less, but they're working with a less "powerful" system. Yes, the Wii has The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (with downloadable content and all) and some cool games, but Nintendo's speakers (by that we mean Shigeru Miyamoto, Satoru Iwata, Perrin Kaplan, the Wii hardware designers) have already said (again and again in so many interviews and conferences) that the Wii is not as powerful a machine as the Xbox 360 or the PS3 - although the Wii remote does appeal to many developers as a new avenue to explore.

Still, the problem with small, inexpensive, and low-power gadgets is that it can (it doesn't always, but it can) seem disposable. You want a clean shave? Buy this cheap electric razor - its got cheap technology and will be obsolete in a couple months (in which case you get it fixed or, more likely, throw it away). You want a clean shave each day of your life? Buy this powerful razor because nothing else will be more powerful than this for a long time to come.

In the same way, if you want to have some fun, you can buy any platform you want (heck, you can dust off the old SNES on an easy Sunday morning or - gasp - even read a book with no pictures). But Xbox 360 and PS3 supporters will tell you this: if you want a platform that is technologically competitive, then don't go with the Wii. "The Wii's graphics barely compare to seventh-generation standards!" they say. "Its processing abilities are barely higher than that of a GameCube!" they exclaim.

Gears of War - Xbox 360Gears of War - Xbox 360


Conclusion
The Nintendo Wii. Affordable fun for all families and everyone (rich or poor, woman or man, young or old, servant or free) - and you have an innovative Wii remote thrown in - and you have developers considering the (profitable) possibilities and giving support to this platform - and maybe they'll even experiment with different gameplay possibilities too!

And, to put it so noobly, so simplistically: the Wii is so small and sleek that Nintendo could, theoretically, produce them by the millions without losing money (unlike other console makers of the past and future) because it's so affordable that families worldwide will buy most of them - and that would just make game developers happier because they have a bigger market to sell to, right?

So that's it? Wii for the win?

Not so fast! Technophiles will tell you this: technology is always growing, and anything you buy today could be obsolete tomorrow, so the best chance you have of being able to enjoy tomorrow's developments is to buy something that can handle the technological advancements. Imagine that Lockheed Martin (you know, the Trident missiles and F-117 stealth fighter "Black Jet" people) make a game console: the Lockheed XR-720 Blackbox with graphics and processing power so high and advanced that you have to pass an FBI and CIA check before you can own one.

If you own an Xbox 360 or PS3, the "powerful" games being made for your platform could still compete with our imaginary XR-720 Blackbox. But if you own a Wii... well, you tell yourself that graphics were never that big a deal and you go on waving your stick at your TV. Or read a book.

Finally, we tried to make this article as fair and unbiased as we could. If you got problems with that, all the blogger of this entry can say is this: Everybody wants me to be what they want me to be / I'm not happy when I try to fake it / No ooooh that's why I'm easy / I'm easy like Sunday morning...

 
 
 

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# yea rightGuest 2006-11-19 06:49
nintendo, compare with real next gen consoles, give me a break



as soon as the hype of Twilight Princess wares off...nintendo will have another gamecube on thier hands



I would prefer the PS3 to win the war, but if the 360 wins, its still good



It's time to prove that videogames aren't for three year olds anymore, PS360 all the way

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# FinallyGuest 2006-11-19 06:56
Thankyou I think that playstation and 360 go together I like my 360 for my american shootem up games and such and the ps3 for my hd and my 100 hour rpg's a sensible person, sorry I pressed the frownie face on accedent but i dont have anything against the wii i think itll do good

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# ..badam 2006-11-19 06:58
unbiased

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# correctGuest 2006-11-19 07:00
ur idea is true if the xbox wins it wuldnt matter and the only reason wii is so hyped is Zelda (i have to admit these are 1 of ma fave series and i love them) but nintendo hopes to way 75% of the wii on this game. technology advanses thers no reason to go back becuase of money look at today PC games (dont u hate wen one day ur G card is good to play call of duty 1 bet then cod 2 comes out and then ur doomoed and have to waist muney wii will lose its hype after zelda i dnt realy giva ***** about playin with the wii mote its nothing special its wrth less it will hit hard mon its face wen zelda is dead...... but this is the only reason i wuld buy wii

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# hyerGuest 2006-11-19 07:09
you are all wrong,the Wii is in a different market,the fun market not the not so fun market,idiots..........Wiiiiiiiiiiiiii ii RULES !!

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# next genGuest 2006-11-19 07:29
if it was all about game play, we could have stopped along time ago. the handheld market is about protabillty and fun on the go.



the console market is about graphics, gameplay and variety any console with two of these going to be the winner of this gen.



price is also a facter but thats for a different argument all together.

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# so happy you made thisContrAss 2006-11-19 07:47
I'm super excited qj made this article, however all your reasons were directed to graphics. What you need to say in the next portion--cause there better be one--is that gameplay isn't created by an all knowing force, which is Nintendo.



Everyone is all excited about Zelda, and Mario and super smash bros and Metroid but what do all those games have in common? They are Nintendo games! Tell me, aren’t those the same games that sold the game cube? How bout eternal darkness? devs on 360. how bout RE4? devs on PS3 and 360. I can't think of anymore but honestly that's enough proof.



Plus don't forget every game coming to the wii isn’t a mega franchise or a AAA title. Nintendo is using the same strategy as the DS (infact Iwata said this). Yes DS has awesome games, but the DS isn't competing with PS2 or xbox. It's rivaling another handheld with minimal support! That is why Wii is in another camp, not because its all about gameplay but because it's basing it's strength on a niche market.



You couldn’t tell me that if Square and Capcom did more games for psp, then it wouldn’t sell more units. But because they aren’t fully supporting it, then there isn’t a real incentive to buy the damn thing. FFXIII and RE5 going on next-gen consoles however; You telling me people are going to run out and buy RE survivior for Wii over FFXIII and RE5?? Ummm no dude, cause they aren’t.



Besides the rambling, let the lazy ass devs and half hearted publishers release crappy ports and $h|ty ideas for a penny and a quarter. Red Steel isn’t Gears of War, and Excite truck isn’t motorstorm. Besides, if Sony or Microsoft wanted a peripheral then they would release one :)

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# wiis Sold Out In MinutesCHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS 2006-11-19 07:50
At my local Target they had 42wiis, at Walmart they had 40 and Blockbuster had 4. They were sold out within minutes. A Target employee told me that they had people in line at midnight and had way more people than they had consoles.



I personally think the wii is ok but not worth it right now to buy for the little choice of games they have. I think that they wii controller is somewhat gimmicky and not as important than the graphics and other features such as high def. The best thing that will help sell the wii is the fact that you can play the classic games. I have not heard of any game compatibility problems or if certain classic games they don't have available or not. I personally would love to play Starfox again without glitches and also FZero X. There are many others that I enjoy but those would be cool to play at full speed and no problems.



As far as the XBOX 360 and the PS3 goes I would prefer a PS3. XBOX 360 is good but I also think that it is way too much money for what you get. I think that the PS3 is a better value even though it costs more due to the fact of the Bluray player and it has more features than the 360. Maybe when the 360 goes down in price about $150 I will buy one.



Peace game fans!

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# .Guest 2006-11-19 07:57
I was there for the Wii launch.

Who gives a damn if it sold out?!



There's a new shipment coming on Tuesday. It's not a long wait.



PS3 or 360 are obviously going to win. Nintendo will get owned just like with the Gamecube (which I owned btw).



Wii60. Fun. But I prefer the power of my 360 or the games on my wii.

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# just adding..Vecha 2006-11-19 09:00
there are and will be more 100 hour long rpgs for the 360.

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# I think...Guest 2006-11-19 09:13
This is stupid. They are choosing to be lazy to make a quick buck and not help the progress of the gaming industry.

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# ...Guest 2006-11-19 09:19
Game developers are just getting lazy thats the only reason why they stick with the Wii

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# trueGuest 2006-11-19 09:20
raz thats true i think they did add nothin to this console genertation exxept for a wiimote that a 12 year old culd have thought of its not no . look nintendo thought of a inovative idea this iedea ahs been around for along time PATHETIC

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# sad reallyFigboy 2006-11-19 09:35
i traded in my Gamecube yesterday. i never played it. my fiance plays the X Box, so she won't let me get rid of that, and there's no way i'm trading my PS2 (too many games i have and still want).



i played the Wii last night, and it's...meh. Wii Sports is fun for a party game (it wouldn't be nearly as fun playing it by yourself), and Zelda is a Gamecube game (it was the only reason i was keeping my Gamecube, but after Nintendo made me wait 2 years, then delayed it until *after* the Wii launch while releasing a Wii version first made me lose all interest in Zelda, and Nintendo).



unfortunately, i don't play games for Nintendo titles anymore, and honestly, that's all the Wii has going for it: titles made by Nintendo. outside of Zelda, Smash Bros. and Metroid, nothing else i've seen on the Wii piques my interest.



and, being the graphics whore that i am, any multi-platform titles i'll get on the more powerful systems. after playing games like Resistance, Motorstorm, and Ultimate Alliance last night on the PS3, i'm in no hurry to relive the Gamecube days (which weren't many for me. in the four years i had it, i barely touched it). the future that the PS3 and 360 will bring looks much more interesting, and not just from a graphics standpoint. games like Mass Effect, Bioshock, Resistance, Assassin's Creed, Heavenly Sword, MGS4, Final Fantasy XIII, White Knight Story, etc are promising more than just graphical upgrades.



what bloggers and writers the world over seem to ignore completely (in their never ceasing quest for more hits and readership), is that more power brings about different types of gameplay just like a new controller interface (ie, the Wii Remote) will. Nintendo sacrificed one for the other, and they didn't have to.



tell me, would GTA3 have been possible on an NES? or an SNES? or even an N64 and PS1? no. they wouldn't have. would Shadow of the Colossus have been possible on those consoles? no. the increase in technological power brings more to the table than just graphical improvements. a combination of things, and not just one sole component, is what causes a revolution. let's take GTA3 for example. the combination of more powerful technology allowed for a larger, 3D city that felt "alive," nice graphics (especially considering the size of the city, which, at the time we thought was ginormous), the jump from CD to DVD made it possible for all that information to be stored on a disc, and minor adjustments to the controller (tighter analog sticks, analog buttons, etc), made the game what it was.



Nintendo is forsaking the other components (processing power, graphical power, disc capacity), for one: the controller.



the Wii is not a crappy system, not by a long shot, but i am dissappointed that they would deny us a Zelda game that looked as amazing as Gears of War or Viva Pinata, all in glorious HD (for those that have the setup), because they value profit over technological advancements. this wouldn't be a problem if they were truly trying to market their console to the younger and casual markets, but with the release of Nintendo staples like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid on the Wii, they are clearly banking on their loyal, hardcore Nintendo fanbase to carry them through again, just like with the DS and Gamecube. looking at the gameplay for Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros. Zelda, and Metroid, it is clearly not aimed for the casual gamer and is meant to target the hardcore.



anyway, Graphics and Gameplay don't have to be mutually exclusive, and often serve to complement each other (check out F.E.A.R. on the PC, Shadow of the Colossus, Metal Gear Solid 3, Ninja Gaiden on the X Box, Oblivion, and so on). this hoity toity, i'm a "true" gamer because i like ***** graphics attitude has got to stop. liking purty graphics isn't a bad thing. i've been playing games since 1985. i've had enough of crappy visuals in my games.

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# ?Guest 2006-11-19 09:36
N64 had better graphics than the PS1, but you still bought the playstation.

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# It just makes sense if you think about it...Guest 2006-11-19 09:36
Think about this for a minute:





If the world was just made up of 100 people and I was a developer, if I make something that only ten percent of the population wants to buy for $100 then I make $1000. But, if I make something that sixty percent of the population want to buy for $50, then I make $3000--three times the profit.



If you factor in development cost, then it gets even more drastic. If it cost me $80 to make each $100 item, then I've only made $200 profit in the end.



But, if it cost me $20 for each $50 item I sold, then I made $1800--NINE times the profit. In the end, if all three consoles sell equally as well, Wii developers come out on top financially. And even if the consoles didn't sell equally, Wii devs would have to sell a SUBSTANCIAL amount less than the other two companies to come up shorter.



It just makes sense to bank on the Wii.

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# Fourteen thumbs up and a can of WhoopassGuest 2006-11-19 10:16
Definitely unbiased. Way to go QJ! Max F, champion of the Iwoan Cyclones!



Interesting info. I couldn't have said it better myself. The PS3 and 360 are really good consoles (if you want to go for POWER). But the thing is, a lot of other people would go for novelty. Developers are seeing major profit in making games for the Wii, plus they get to explore more on the technology of the Wii remote.



Speaking of which. I don't necessarily think that the Wii is totally beaten by a mile with regards to being "technologically competitive". Yes, it's going to be beaten technologically by the PS3 and 360, but not so utterly and totally. Whether you'd call the Wii a GameCube2 or not, it's still a technological upgrade (which Sony stole *coughSIXAXISco ugh*). The Wii is still better than the GC - it's more technologically advanced. And that for me is enough reason to call it next generation.

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# Wow.....!!!!Guest 2006-11-19 10:34
Excellent points!!! This article only touched on the basics. We plan to bring up a lot more issues in future articles. :)

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# Pshaw!Guest 2006-11-19 10:40
I know who you are, "Volzotan Smyke"! LOL Thanks for the compliments, you Wii fanboy! Haha!

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# Don't you think....Guest 2006-11-19 11:13
Don't you think that with all this waving around with the nunchuck and wiimote, it'll eventually get to the point where it's just useless and boring? I mean, who would really play like they show it in commercial except losers with no lives? I know that it comes with a controller too, but then they'd have to turn to the actual "gaming" part of the industry, the part they say that the PS360's working on that's useless. What then?

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# that will sell well.CSFFlame 2006-11-19 11:26
Not without a wide customer base with the console they won't. That's why you were seeing game developers ditching the PS3.

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# yes, PS360 all the way for me too!senjutsu 2006-11-19 11:34
I bought an xbox 360 today ( smile ) with ghost recon advanced warfighter, acrade volume 1 and gears of war in the premium pack, and I payed it only 399$US lol. pretty cool! :D, now I'll buy enchanted arms and ninety nine nights and blue dragon in january! :D



and I'll buy the ps3 in a while, around end 2k7, you have to let one year so the bugs are fixed... even if my xbox 360 makes a lot of noise ( at least compared to my ps2 ). I tought the new ( after marche 2k6 ) models were cool with that... anyway! the ps3 will have the great titles around 2k7 end, or early 2k8, so I'll buy mine there!

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# dfgGuest 2006-11-19 12:02
people hooa re ditching the ps3 are pore devs cuz there company sux pluse ps3 has more hit titles frum one of the best devs so kwit taklin shi t about ps3 u xbox fanboy

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# Wiimilkman 2006-11-19 12:17
I had the pleasure of playing the wii today and i can say that it was a pretty enjoyable experience, but only WITH friends. Playing wii sports alone is so boring and rediculous. I mean, me and my buddies had a great time whooping each other at bowling and tennis. However, after about 25-30 minutes you realise: "hmm...why can't I just go out and play all these sports for real?!" That was my general reaction.



I have to say that zelda is really amazing. I added control of the wiimote makes it a fun game. Fishing and sword swinging makes the game come to life. However, I still wish that Nintendo tried to bring better graphics to zelda. The textures are not the best. Link looks amazing (so do the other characters) but everything else looked last gen (like it could be done on the gamecube, which it could because its a gamecube game...). One of the missions in the first town has you trying to find some grass that link whistles with to call the hawk down. Now...there should be grass everywhere, but it's all flat...



We tried to go on the wii forcast channel with my friend's nintendo wifi adaptor. When we got on, we immediatly had to install an update. Unfortunatelly, my friend has dialup, so we had to spend about 2 hours waiting for the update. I left at that time.





In conclusion, the wii is a very fun system. after a while though, the controller gets a little gimicky, and I really didn't feel like playing any wii sports anymore because everytime you win your mii gains some points. The competitiveness of the game really puts it down. Zelda is amazing and i can't wait to get through it. That said, I am currently 4-5th in line pre-order for my PLAYSTATION 3, and i'm probably going to get a wii in about a year (maybe half a year :) ).

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# WTF. WHAT THE F_CK IS WITH THIS RATING SYSTEMGuest 2006-11-19 13:05
All you PS3 homos are just rating up the posts about Sony and rating down posts about Nintendo.



Talk about ghey.



I expect 0-2 stars on this posts because all you homos are going to rate me down just because I made you angry.





GROW UP.

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# Graphics?Guest 2006-11-19 13:22
Processing power also influences gameplay as well. It defines how smart the AI can be, how many AI controller players there can be, the detail of the physics engine, everything, Not just graphics.



If it was just graphics, PS3 would be an emotion engine and a reality synthesizer

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# I agreeGuest 2006-11-19 13:24
"tell me, would GTA3 have been possible on an NES? or an SNES? or even an N64 and PS1? no. they wouldn't have. would Shadow of the Colossus have been possible on those consoles? no. the increase in technological power brings more to the table than just graphical improvements. a combination of things, and not just one sole component, is what causes a revolution. let's take GTA3 for example. the combination of more powerful technology allowed for a larger, 3D city that felt "alive," nice graphics (especially considering the size of the city, which, at the time we thought was ginormous), the jump from CD to DVD made it possible for all that information to be stored on a disc, and minor adjustments to the controller (tighter analog sticks, analog buttons, etc), made the game what it was.



Nintendo is forsaking the other components (processing power, graphical power, disc capacity), for one: the controller."



That's the smartest thing I've heard someone say in a message board in a long time. Everyone is under some moronic impression processing power only affects graphics, which is exactly what nintendo says/wants.

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# ExactlyGuest 2006-11-19 13:26
That's why they didn't support CDs for N64, online for cube, HDTV for Wii, why they are against voice acting and rich graphics. It's all about profit.

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# mmhmmGuest 2006-11-19 13:38
Wow. You came here just to add text wall upon text wall of pure bigotry. Thank you figboy. You are what will forever make people view gamers as losers.



Oh yes, of course I'm being exceedingly aggressive in my comments, and seeing as how you'll likely become extremely aggravated by this comment, you'll probably end up typing a novel of a response, and then go back telling yourself whatever comforts you the most. That's why I'm not even going to take the time to point out some of the ridiculous things in your post.

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# NoZarifus 2006-11-19 13:50
N64 was barely even capable of doing 3D graphics. The N64 was NOT better then the PS1.

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# Not as much sense as you think...Zarifus 2006-11-19 14:05
You're missing alot of factors in your calculations.



For one, the cost of making each item would not even be close to the amount you used. Production of a game would be at a fixed rate regardless of how many copies you sold. Assuming BD discs are used, the cost per copy on a PS3 would only be a few dollars more then a DVD game.



Also, when you say 10%/60% of the population, you're assuming that everyone would own both a Wii and a PS3, which would not be true.



In addition to that, quite a few games can be cross-platform for the PS360 with only a bit more work, but aproximately twice the market. However, the Wii is a lone system when categorizing by processing power. When a company makes a game for the Wii, it is ONLY going to be on the Wii. In order to make a PS360 game work on the Wii, alot more work would be required for it to work well. Just plain downscaling everything doesn't work as well as you would think, alot of optimization would be required. In addition to the processing power, downgrading a game from PS360 level to the Wii would require a completely new control scheme as the Wii-mote, if not using the motion sensor as a lack of buttons compared to a PS360 controller.



I don't think the difference would be 10% to 60% either. More like 40%Wii, 30%PS3, 30%360 (assuming that the price point really does give it an advantage, which I don't think it does. But that's for a different argument)



But if you take cross platforming into account.

Wii: 40%

PS360: 30% + 25% (Reduced due to people who own both) + 55%

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# Regarding the Wiimote AdvantageZarifus 2006-11-19 14:23
If you were to compare the Wii and the PS3, the Wiimote doesn't give the Wii that much advantage as you think.



The PS3's new eyetoy is capable of reconizing the full body motions of a person, and maybe more. This isn't like the PS2's eyetoy which only reconized movement. (Meaning you could wave anything in front of it, and it couldn't tell the difference). The PS3 has been clearly shown to be capable of reconizing 2D drawings, and people (and different body parts). This has all been shown to occur with split second lag or less. This means you won't be limited to only the actions of the Wiimote. The only downside, is whatever you do, has to be infront of the camera.



Another thing to note, is that since the PS3 has Linux, if the proper software is released, you can use this eyetoy for motion capture, and 3D model creation. Motion capture has basically been out of reach to the normal person since it used to require many cameras, a blue/green screen, and a suit with little white balls.



The Wiimote on the other hand, is not as powerful as you think. In a sense, it is a lightgun with acceleration sensors. This means that if the Wiimote is not pointed at the screen, it relies purely on the acceleration sensors, if you move the Wiimote too fast, the meters and calculations of where the Wiimote is located (relative to the TV) will become inaccurate. (Information on workings of the Wiimote taken from the Fusion article).



I know many are going to say that the that the price of the Eyetoy is going to be too much, but anything under $80 would still be reasonable. Another Wiimote is $60 (which you'll be getting, unless you play by yourself).

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# that guyContrAss 2006-11-19 14:29
the fact that you read it and responded means he put his point across to one person. Besides, you wrote two paragraphs about how he writes alot...who's the bigger loser? And nice post figboy. I wrote something with as little bashing as i could and people still seemed to hate it.

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# wiimotemilkman 2006-11-19 14:36
year right zarifus, another wiimote is $60, but you have to buy the numchuck seperately which means its another 30.

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# gayGuest 2006-11-19 15:02
more like the kid market.... go play your pokemon, disney, and mario.

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# give it up on stolen techGuest 2006-11-19 16:05
Get a clue, Sony and Nintendo have been working on the motion sensing technology just as long as the other, Sony might of been a little longer actually. Dig through through all the news you can till you find the earliest mention of motion sensing technology being used for the next gen and you'll find Sony's mention was in the form of hints and notions from Kaz when they unveiled the 'boomerang' controller during E3 2005, bet you missed that with all that 'its cgi not real footage' stuff huh? While Nintendo's said it flat out at during their Nintendo conference a month or so before E3 2006.



Search the news archives for anything previous and prove me wrong please.

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# Short SightedGuest 2006-11-19 16:23
For all of you that are criticizing Nintendo's newest system and it's strategy for marketing this new console, you really need to get out of the darkened rooms with a dim glow from a TV. I own both a PS2 and a GameCube, as do most of my friends, and in terms of multiplayer I would say that the GameCube gets 95% of the playing time.



Its that multiplayer niche that Nintendo is trying to corner here. When a group of people get together to play Super Smash Bros. or Mario Party, they're not concerned about how amazing the graphics are or if the processing unit is state-of-the-art. They're only enjoying the time spent with friends. That's what Nintendo is trying to corner with the Wii.



I bought my PS2 in it's inaugural year, and only got my GameCube last year. Why? Because the PS2 was collecting dust and I wanted a FUN console.



So please, get out of those dark rooms you all are in and get some sunshine, get a Wii. And get laid.

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# d00dhush404 2006-11-19 16:53
Red Steel isn%u2019t Gears of War, and Excite truck isn%u2019t motorstorm. --- THAT right there sums its up nicely.



I know graphics aren't everything but when you first see a game, graphics count for a whole lot on your first impressions, no matter what anyone says.



That aside, ninty fans will clamor over the new controller, but I say, how many games will it take before the idea gets old? How many racing games, how many FPS games will have lasting value if you've already mastered the unique control schemes and have grown bored with lobbing grenades with you nun chuck or taking a turn around a corner with your wiimote? At that point what's there to fall back on???



Almost nothing, because the system lacks any kind of power to go beyond gameplay we already know. It won't be using a beefy processor for advanced physics, it won't be using a tweaked out GPU to render jaw dropping "reality", it won't compare. It'll be stuck in the last gen, making games that are admittedly fun for a wii bit of time (ha, nice pun no?), exactly like our consoles of yesteryear, our snes's and our genesis's which we long to bring out ever so often to give the games a go.

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# ContrAss the stupidAssGuest 2006-11-19 16:58
WTF are you going on about?



He had something he didn't like about Figboy. There was obviously NO POINT in Figboy getting his point across to "that guy" because "that guy" disagrees with him ANYWAY.



Paragraphs are a way to separate thought processes that are put down into writing. What would you rather "that guy" do, make an easy-to-read point utilizing TWO paragraphs (like he did), or stick two paragraphs together JUST FOR THE SAKE OF HAVING ONE PARAGRAPH?



No, his two paragraphs aren't even that big.



I've told Figboy once before, there is elegance in good, concise writing. Figboy still writes a lot.





PS. Don't overlook what "that guy" had to say, either. He had a point to make, and yet you ignore it just to respond with anger.

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# To ZarifusGuest 2006-11-19 17:02
Yes it was.



Look at the specs.



Stop being an idiot.



Those are two commands I hope you will take into careful consideration.

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# ....?!?!??Guest 2006-11-19 17:12
I don't understand the reasoning behind people saying "People will get tired of using the Wii controller".



That's like saying "people will get tired of using a controller".



Because that's what it is. A controller. JUST LIKE the SIXAXIS and JUST LIKE the Xbox360 controller.



Are you tired of playing with THOSE yet?



Because if you're not, then I don't see why people would get tired of playing with the Wii remote either.



CONTROLLERS ARE JUST WAYS TO PLAY. The NES controller is different than the SNES controller is different than the Dreamcast controller is different than the Playstation controller is different than the N64 controller is different than the Wii controller. The Wii remote isn't just some novelty factor, IT'S A WAY TO PLAY.



BTW ContrAss, PSP has minimal support BECAUSE of the DS. Sony didn't just throw it out there to fail.





Last time I checked, you guys didn't complain when Nintendo introduced the NEW WAY TO PLAY, the ANALOG STICK. Why are you guys complaining now?

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# riiiiightGuest 2006-11-19 17:17
Right, and the team behind Legend of Zelda was lazy too.



That's why it got such BAD(?) reviews, right?



...?

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# Ok, then...Guest 2006-11-19 17:19
So that's why you knew what the Wii's controller was going to be before they announced it, right?



Good one there, captain, why didn't you tell the press BEFORE Nintendo officially announced it then?

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# What about Carbon?Guest 2006-11-19 17:27
Tell me about Need for Speed: Carbon.



Last time I checked, that was for ALL 3 next gen consoles.

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# DS, anyone?Guest 2006-11-19 17:31
And the DS' touchscreen functionality wasn't that much of an advantage over PSP, right?



That must be why the PSP is outselling the DS.



....?

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# No, it's not.Guest 2006-11-19 17:33
Wii remote is $40.



Nunchuck is $20.



That makes $60 ALTOGETHER.

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# that's because...ContrAss 2006-11-19 18:18
they're NINTENDO!!!YAY! !! :)

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# >.Guest 2006-11-19 18:22
i just poopied my pants =*(

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# i get that alot namelessContrAss 2006-11-19 18:23
stupidass or whatever, you certainly get enraged. I don't mind, you seem intelligent. But in anycase teacher nameless, that guy wasn't voicing anything that needed more than two paragraphs. He instead talked about how figboy writes long, useless babel. And then ranted. Much like you did! But whatever, I read figboy's post, then replyed.

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# it's a WIImote! [console included]ContrAss 2006-11-19 18:59
I'm sure you remember that Nintendo is all about the games man! You know those awesome, CRAZY!! new ideas that can be finally unleashed with a new way to play! Right!!! Awesome man, i can't wait for these awesome great games. waiting...waiting...waiting...hmmmm, Nintendo just released acouple this year but i dunno...not seeing anymore?



just because the damn controller can do alot of things, doesn't mean it's going to work like intended. Get over the fact Nintendo makes new controllers, get the idea that half of those games that make awesome use of them AREN'T on a nintendo console. I am not playing a *****ing tennis game for 250 bucks. Oh wait! I can play fun party games online! Oh wait! I can't play fun party games online! YAY! pOWER of the wii unleashed! (first year anyways)



Dave, dude, are you the guy that is buying Mario Party 19, just so Nintendo can make another one? How about buying a 360 to play some mulitiplayer. Or for people like me, get a playstation any for the single player experience. Get a Nintendo for that Zelda or Mario.



Really, people can piss on the playstation however they want, devs or fanboys, but in the end playstation will always have those new, tried and true formulas that you want to go back too. Wii will have these ideas that are either A) poorly executed or B) Rightly done. and even in the event that it happens, can it really catch any attention? We all agree that Okami rocks but it still had piss poor sales.

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# It's about peopleGuest 2006-11-19 19:32
Alright, I'm sorry. I did get angry. This whole (mess) of a place incites anger like none other.



The problem about message or forum boards is that people tend to ignore comments regarding people's behavior. They shouldn't.



The world is comprised of people. And people interact with each other. In fact, that is the sole reason for which message boards exist: to interact with fellow members of similar interest.



When somebody's behavior is disagreeable to someone, that "someone" should point it out, not leave it unsaid. There is no better place to talk about the behavior of someone than in the place it occurred in.

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# .Guest 2006-11-19 20:39
Look,the only people who will buy the wii are the same people who bought the game cube,and maybe a few more people,but that's about it.



All this PS3 bashing is all caused by its price. Well guess what? This price isn't going to be this high forever. When the PS3 price falls,thats when you'll start seeing these units fly off the shelves like mad.



I don't know if y'all remember the PS2 launch. There was also this negativity,and when the xbox and gamecube launched, there was even more PS2 bashing. But look what happened in the end.



For those who think graphics don't matter, let me tell you, graphics do matter. When the xbox and gamecube came out,sure they had better graphics than the PS2, BUT IT WAS SUCH A SMALL DIFFERENCE. The visual different between the wii and the PS3/xbox360 is huge,and that will make an impact.



Give it another year, and the wii hype will be dead. People would have gotten tired of the wiimote,and wii will be stuck with the same games it had every generation.(zelda,mario,et c...). Improvement in graphics+gamepl ay will = 0,and that's when the wii will no longer sell units.

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# .Guest 2006-11-19 21:21
What this article lacks is that it forgets one major thing that developers have to worry about when developing for Wii.



The greatest competition in the market, is your supplier. That's right, Nintendo is the biggest supplier of video games for Nintendo consoles. You have to create a game that surpasses the home court advantage Nintendo has. A game supplied by Nintendo is more likely to capitalize on all the features the Wii can offer and therefore is harder to compete with.



In the same way Sony and MS don't make but more than one or two significant games for their consoles and these are not high profile games.



*note MS doesn't "make" Halo* Sony does make many games but they are often of the level of "crash bandicoot" and "jak and daxter" which don't compete with technophiles interest in graphical gaming.

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# Here's what I don't understandGuest 2006-11-19 22:07
So all you Nintendo nay-sayers are hitting hard on the Wii for placing less importance on graphical presentation.



The way you guys act, it's almost as if the Wii HAS no graphics.



YES, graphics matter. Anybody who says otherwise is being blatantly ignorant.



THE POINT WE'RE MAKING IS THAT GRAPHICS MATTER LESS THAN GAMEPLAY, which is the main focus of the Wii, a new type of gameplay.



Satoru Iwata related the situation to leading cola-brand Pepsi, and the Pepsi vs. Cola campaign, saying that Pepsi became number 1 not by asking themselves "how can we sell more cola" but instead started asking, "what else do people want to drink?"



He said that "In our business too often people with a fresh idea don’t have a chance. I believe if Tetris were presented today here’s what the producer would be told: “more levels, better graphics, cinematics and you’ll need a movie license to sell that idea!”



The producer would go away dejected, and today, Tetris might never be invented."





I leave you with that to think about.

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# fanboysGuest 2006-11-19 22:19
why can't you guys stop bashing each others consoles. I like all 3 consoles and i will be getting a wii and ps3 when they come out (im in Australia). my mate has a X360 and i play it when i go over.



and to Mack, stop saying crap like "oh wii is going to have the same games like mario, zelda,etc." stop being an idiot. sure they're the same characters, but are they the same game? NO.



and all those people saying that the wii mote is going to be old. you guys need to get a clue. It's just a new controller. do u guys get over playing with your PS2/3 or xbox/360 controllers??? NO. its just a controller.



All 3 consoles have good bits and bad bits, you guys have to stop bashing each others consoles.

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# Uh Yeah.Guest 2006-11-20 03:11
Of corse it's about profits. Anyone who goes into business knows it's about profits. Sony and Microsoft took millions of $ in losses developing and selling their consoles at a loss. Nintindo, and I thing most same business men and women, are not into the practice of "Paying you to buy their produce."



Sony is hemoraging red ink over the PS3 right now and stock holders are not happy about it. So, when it comes time to develop the next round of Next-Gen systems, how much do you thing sony's pissed off share holders and BOD will allow it to waste if this current generation is not successful? Nintendo is not positioning itself just to make the quick buck, but for the marathon that is the current generation videogame race.



Anyone who knows even the slightest thing about the video game industry knows that longterm profits are made on software, not hardware. The more installed hardware you have, the more potential there is to sell software. If Sony sells 10 million consoles, Microsoft sells 11 million, and nintendo 8 million, it's virtualy a tie, virtually the same market potential. But with dev costs at half or less than X360 or PS3, the Wii nearly doubles revenue on the same amount of title sales.



So while Sony and Microsoft are killing each other with all their graphical and processing might, Nintindo will quitly slip away and deposit it's profits in the bank. Yup, it's ALL about profit...

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# Wow...Guest 2006-11-20 05:28
I have read all the posts on this subject and would like to take a guess at a few things.





1) Average age of poster, 17-22



2) Average first console ever owned, Playstation



3) Average favorite genre, RPG/Action RPG







Now, I night be off a little bit but not a lot. The reason I bring this up is because I'm almost 30 and I still play games occasionally. But I don't limit myself to one platform or another. Yes, I am very pro-Nintendo but I don't bash MS or Sony for doing their thing. If a game comes out for a platform and I like it, I play it.





Why should I limit the amount of fun that I have based graphical power, or raw system specs, or hey look at me, I have the most new-fangled technology. I look for the experience.





I have owned nearly all home consoles from the days of Atari, (how many of oyu have ever even seen one in person) to the current gen. And honestly, when I get bored with all the pretty graphics and mega-great this and that, I go into my closet, dust off old faithfuls and have a great time.







Being a GAMER is about GAMES not platforms. Not MS vs. SONY vs. Nintendo. Not what game looks better. Not about who sells the most consoles. It's about enjoying games for that sake of the game not the console which it is played on.





And being a "HARD CORE GAMER", well, those are us who will play anything because it is a game. RPG, fighting, platformer, racing, puzzle... You name it we play it. That's truely Hard Core.





GameON

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# Wholeheartedly AgreeGuest 2006-11-20 06:25
StillPimpin, I couldn't have said it better myself

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# DS has nothing to do with thisZarifus 2006-11-20 12:48
Don't even compare the "DS and PSP fight" with the console wars. The PSP was a new system without much support from the developers. Also, the PSP didn't have anything close to the Touchscreen of the DS.



What I am saying here is that the Eyetoy > Wiimote.

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# Processing Power +/+ graphicsZarifus 2006-11-20 12:56
The lack of processing power in the Wii won't only affect graphics. It affects almost EVERYTHING. Do you want to play a FPS game against 5 stupid enemies that just stand there and spray bullets, or do you want to play a game with 20 enemies that act intelligently?



(and don't go yelling at me for using 5 and 20, its just an example)

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# Every rule has an exceptionZarifus 2006-11-20 13:13
Well obviously there will be exceptions. Looking at most of EA's past games, I can bet you that the Wii version of Carbon won't be anywhere close to the maximum level of graphics you can achieve. Also, Carbon is a racing game, you barely need any buttons for racing games. Therefore, they may have believed that it was worth it to port Carbon to the Wii.



The main target of my argument is the higher end, more unique games. Not the ones where they release a new version every year or two.



Regardless of the exceptions, the first half of my argument still holds.

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# ....Guest 2006-11-20 20:43
Satoru Iwata ALSO said that he believes that the graphics at this point are GOOD ENOUGH that the casual gamer shouldn't care that much.



Tetris doesn't need 20 enemies with incredible AI.



Whatever happened to "fresh ideas"?

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# ....Guest 2006-11-28 02:28
You see the thing is, people are complaining about the graphics of the Wii, but only when compared to the 360 and PS3. If you compare them to a PS2 or even and xbox, they look superior.

It is not like the Wii has crap graphics at all, they just arn't the best ones that could be made at this time. If you have a 360/ps3 and the full HD setup then it's impressive to see the quality of the games but other than that it's not very interesting.

My friend has a 360 with a 52 inch HD TV and yes it is very pretty to look at, he phones me up telling me about how much he could masturbate over the quality of some games. So I go to visit him and yes it's impressive, but minutes later I don't care about how it looks, I want to know how it plays. The Wii adds the extra ability of gameplay. It just allows a different breed of games that are more immersive.



So the real argument should be, what is more immersive; HD quality graphics, or the Wiimote with its added depth of gameplay?

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# yeahGuest 2006-11-28 02:37
Many people would still regard Final Fantasy 7 or the Ocarina of Time as the best games ever and these are coming up to ten years old.

These games really do have pitiful graphics in comparison to modern day games, even as a fan you have to admit that.



Does this mean they are inferior?



Nope, not at all, the graphics don't make the game...



These games are amazing for the overall experience they give a player.

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