WoW QJ way to post only half the content of the original source. This all Started because a financial Blogger who works for APPLE... MS greatest competitor accused MS of force pushing unwanted units to retailers, and threatening to withold VISTA shipments if they didnt take the Units.



Several other sources then jumped in, and said that they felt that the guys blog was INCORRECT. And that he is blowing it out to be a big deal for no reason. They even went on to say that what he was posting about was something that EVERYONE KNEW ABOUT MONTHS ago. They also said that The author claims that MS force pushed millions of consoles out.



But THEY beleive MS only pushed out thousands. a Common business practice for hardware companies because UNLIKE software.... Hardware has increased shelf life, where software is usually obsolete after a few months. They then went on and said that SONY does the same exact thing, and of the 3 console companies only NINTENDO is the only one not doing it "currently".



""Microsoft sold-in 10.4 million 360's by December 31," noted Pacific Crest Securities' Evan Wilson. "It seems very unlikely that Microsoft stuffed the channel to beat their 10 million forecast."



Wedbush Morgan Securities' Michael Pachter was similarly skeptical. "It's possible that Microsoft has shipped a few hundred thousand consoles more than retailers want, but not possible that it shipped millions," Pachter told GameSpot, adding, "Microsoft would never stuff the channel to make numbers look better. I really don't buy this at all."



Lazard Capital Markets' Colin Sebastian called it "old news," but not what he would characterize as channel stuffing. "Microsoft's guidance for Xbox shipments during the first half of 2007 disappointed some investors, but the reality is they already had enough units in the channel to fulfill much of the demand," he said.



Nollenberger Capital Partners' Todd Greenwald said Ehrenberg's issue with Microsoft was legitimate, but also old news.



"Sure Microsoft probably over-shipped the channel," Greenwald said," but we knew that three months ago… To me, and most of Wall Street, it was pretty clear what Microsoft had done. And Sony's done the same thing. Nintendo's the only one who isn't doing it, but that's not to say they won't do it again in the future."



Greenwald also pointed out that it's different for a hardware vendor to stuff the channel than a software publisher because systems have a much longer shelf-life and will eventually sell. On the other hand, Greenwald said if software doesn't move in the first month, excess inventory will quickly suffer price cuts and returns.



Bogus or not bogus?: Bogus that this is a big deal. Companies play semantics with "units shipped" and "units sold" all the time, we essentially knew about this months ago, and one man's channel stuffing might be another man's slower-than-expected holiday sales season."



For more accurate info....

"he Apple-focused Blackfriars\' Marketing."



That should give you a REAL clue right there about how legitimate these claims are.

I thought this was already known? Microsoft has always referred to their shipped numbers as their sold numbers. Most manufacturers do(Sony sometimes states both). To Microsoft, the number that they ship out is sold to them. Retailers buy the consoles from Microsoft, so Microsoft already has the money for those shipped consoles. By definition, technically, those consoles are sold.

it may be a rumor,,

but i think it's real

because microsoft only thinks about the money,,

and they want to be better than sony,,

so this rumor is probably true

Shut up Vietone.

Believe what you want, but STFU here.

maybe i was just pissing myself in the excitement that maybe Microsoft didnt actually sale 10 million consoles because im a pissy little sony fanboy. Sorry

I've heard rumors from n4g as well. www.vgchartz.com has microsoft under 10 million units sold and they seem very reliable with their unit numbers. Nexgenwars isn't accurate at all.

go to http://www.vgchartz.com/ngwars.php for real charts.

LOL @ ps3 only selling 2.8 third place FTL!!

boring OLD NEWS.

They imply that %u201CMicrosoft threatened to withhold copies of its Vista operating system--released in January--from retailers who didn't play along and choke down excess Xbox 360 inventory.%u201D



IT'S CALLED MONOPOLY... we should know soon from the justice department. AGAIN.

nextgenwars.com is owned by a ***** 18 year kid who doesnt know shlt and comparing to professional chart like vgc, what a *****ing noob

Even if these rumors about Microsoft stuffing channels are true or not, one thing is for certain: Microsoft claims to have sold over 10 million units since December 2006.... fast forward to today (4 months later), and they haven't even come close to breaking 11 million.



Their projected sales are supposed to be 12 million by July, this is looking very bleak for Microsoft, since Nintendo sold about 6 million in about 4 months.

This is common across all markets. No one ever wants to have a bad quarter so if they sense a bad quarter comming they "stuff" the channels a little to pick it up.



However, it comes at a price. If Best Buy is "stuffed" with unit for one quarter are they going to buy the next quarter? NOPE!



It's a give and take.



Then, if they screw up they go to real sales number.

the xbox 360 has been out for a year and four months not four months

Apple and M$ hate each other but they rarely compete against each other. Apple is hardware and M$ is software. Yeah the zune is against the ipod, but really the ipod has NO competition. As far as computers M$ makes software apple makes hardware. Apple hates M$ because Bill gates stole the idea for windows from steve jobs, period.

Is it possible that this article is tip toeing around the thought that Microsoft may be including replaced 360s due to malfunction as a unit sold?



Honestly, companies often try things like this - it wouldn't surprise me that much. Especially with Microsoft's track record to do anything to win.

Yea who cares what one wins... as long as you have one you like and think is fun you don't need to fight over what one YOU THINK IS THE BEST.......It's called an OPINION people....

its funny how xbox fanboy blames sony fanboys for starting the rumor. It all about facts.



sony doesnt want to compete with mircosoft anymore...as long as they help sell there TVs.

with the elite coming out with hdmi...sony will sell more TVs.Make sense

no mankind got it right. i think you need webster's dictionary for retards

well you can't say that this is a rumour that "Soniers" started, Micrapsoft did put the rope around his own neck, and besides we should thank Micrapsoft for helping us sell more Sony HDTVs by adding HDMI to the sexbox 360 elite

you can start hating,, but look at the facts



a ps3 is €600

it includes:

-60gb

-wireless controller

-blu ray player

-card readers

-usb ports

-build in wifi

-internet cable



a 360 is €399

it includes:

-wireless controller

-Headset

-20 GB HDD

-HD AV Cable

-i don't know what else



and if you want to play HD DVD

you got to pay an extra €200



so they're both €600



i know that Xboxlive is better than than what the ps3 offers,, but there is no web browser on the 360,,



and my friend has a 360,, great games,, but he says that the 360 breaks quickly

everything is made of plastic



the 360 doesn't sucks but i prefer the ps3



i know you start hatin,, but i don't care

MS has more then enough money to make you believe whatever they want. I'd imagine 10 million sold by now, but not so long ago like they said.

All you had to do was look in your posts here! I've been saying that microsoft cheated their way through 10 million for six fuc king months!! Pay attention you bastards. They DO count the replacement consoles they send out as sales, and they are certainly shipping out inventory.. At least sony says the term SHIPPED and SOLD in two different places.

SONT refers to Units SHIPed from the FACTORIES TO distributors when they post numbers. MS refers to units shipped from distributors TO retailers.

The 360 has already broken 11 million. VG is more off than Nexgenwars by far! Besides the 360 sold 10.4 mill by the end of 2006. Its been 3 and a half months, the 360 has sold close to 180,000 every month since then. 10.4 + 630,000 = 11,030,000, Besides how long will the Wii have appeal with last gen graphics?! 4 years from now the Wii is going to look worse than a bucket full of liquid *****.



As for the PS3...No one really likes it.

oh my bad. vgcharts has it at 1.8 and not 2.8 thank for the info lol

The good days for MS are over or very close...After Halo 3 . When Sony will start is Games avalanches ( probably this September) MS are doomed. MS will try to rush out Gears of war and Halo titles to compete but everybody know it takes at least 3 year to make a good game.



Nintendo are in the best spot right now. By the end of the summer they will be in first position. Big help coming from Japan. (those funky gamers). But when they will realize that the games are only PS2 ports or Nintendo mini-games sell for full price games they will calm down.



Sony will gain some points only when they will lower the price, combine with good AAA titles. Will probably happen this Christmas. Yes even if halo3 is out. Not everybody like this game... you know. So by next spring they will outsell MS.



So for now try to enjoy what you have. And let the numbers say what they want them to say.

Go away. People are sick of price comparisons. Depending on what you think is necessary, any console can be cheaper.

if anyone if cheating sales its sony.



the products and their employee's are all peices of sh*t.





if anyone hasnt realized this is the start of the end for sony.

Sony has only sold roughly 2mil concosles, and thats if you wanna round it up to the nearest million. Not only that but if you think Halo 3 is the only AAA game coming out for 360 then youre stone retarded. Alan Wake, Splinter Cell 5, Huxley, Forza, Fable 2, all exclusives to 360 and all AAA titles. And that isnt even the entire list of AAA exclusives either.



PS3 is going to stay in last place, probably for its entire life cycle. To even think that it will surpass the 360 is just wishful thinking, especially when the 360 is cheaper, better, and has many many MANY more games. Not only that, but the 360s graphics even look better. Name one game that looks better thats on both the 360 and the PS3. You cant, because they all look and play better on the 360.



LOL @ *gaming avalanches*, MGS4 and FF isnt a gaming avalanche. And dont even list off Lair and all that crap because those games looks like Xbox 1 games. Just because Lair and etc are exclusives doesnt mean theye gonna be console sellers. The only games PS3 has that MIGHT sell mass ammounts of consoles are MGS4 and FF, thats it. And theres all sorts of rumors going around that hint at them coming to 360 anyways, and we all know what happened with the DMC4 rumor. In fact, theres an article in Game Informer that talks about the 360 getting the next FF game as well. If you dont believe me feel free to pick up the magazine and read it for yourself.



I am enjoying what I have, and once Halo 3 hits there will be others enjoying the same thing I have. Numbers dont lie....

im tired of this crap, which is cheaper, which is more powerful, which can read bluray discs. its about the games, and so far, teh ps3 doesnt really have any, so in my opinion, the NES is teh best

The comparison is so retarded....

first of all the 360 has USB ports too...

And MS didnt WANT to use WiFi... they use their own wireless technology, whicgh is WHY Sixaxis controlelrs DROP connection a LOT, and 360 ones never do.

from a business standpoint this news doesn't mean much. they are fudging there numbers to meet the goals they couldn't really meet. but for buyers and gamers and or fanboys it means MS touts of being #1 is coming into question, and with them having a year lead just makes things look bad. having a old machine and it being #2 or three doesn't sound good to players at all. well unless your a sony or nintendy fan

weakbox 180s sales are astoundingly low considering this the 180 launched 18 months ago all alone and ps3 and wii only just launched and the 180 has only sold not even 10 mil and that is true more sites have weakbox 180 at about 9.5 million than the ones with over 10 million keep that in mind also ps3 is selling more than the 180 at this time last year and the score will excelerate even more when the big titles hit this year so watch out oh sony has sold over 3.2 million ps3s

Apple may hate M$, but why would Blackfriars' Marketing lie for them? Also as long as they ahve evidence to prove it, these claims don't seem so farfetched.

MS, liar liar pants on fire

Wow. Why has 360 sold so badly in Japan even with a year headstart?

it isnt a rumor, its the truth.

the ps3 will follow the footsteps of the ps2 and also the 360 will follow the way the xbox did.

just the wii could get very very high sale numbers.

ive never had any problems with the ps3 (wireless) bluetooth controller dropping out.

and i play the god damn console quite a bit.



and u say that xbox live is much better.



theyv had that service for ages and upgraded it many of times, they have also patented the xbox live technology so sony or other services cant use it.



atm sony has a team working on their own version of a xbox live without all the technologies they use.



just give it time.

a stupid ***** said:

The comparison is so retarded....

first of all the 360 has USB ports too...

And MS didnt WANT to use WiFi... they use their own wireless technology, whicgh is WHY Sixaxis controlelrs DROP connection a LOT, and 360 ones never do.





my sixaxis never dropped their connection,, so stop *****in,,



i saw something on tv,, about the 360

360's bought in or before december make scratches on the cd's,,

microsoft ignored everyone,, till that tvshow started to whine about it,, and now they are willing to repair the 360,,



microsoft doesn't care about the customers,, they just want to sell as much,, even if it's broken,,



if the sixaxis drops connection,, sony will replace your controller with a new one,, but i don't see microsoft doing that,,



what's so great about the 360??

the ps3 kicks 360's ass

and that's a fact



wait till GTA comes out on both consoles

GTA on 360 will be like this:

you're driving around,, and out of nowhere,, a building pops up :P,,

you won't see that on the ps3,,



you can start *****in,, but just wait and see

That's what was expected to happen before sony decided to force gamers into a format war to support their new cash cow. The rest is history....



Blame sony and blu ray for making the PS3 suck. I would have bought one if it had games available and was $200 cheaper.

Many consoles die out after being successful last generation. The Sega Saturn is a perfect example.

i could see it happening.



Im sure Nintendo will come out with the Wii HD or Wii Advanced...or whatever...but it will include HD. I bet they are waiting for technology to get a lil cheaper and release the Wii, but in HD. That will allow them to keep the console at a lower price and people will have no problem in buying another one.



Think of the gameboys and how many remakes they had of it. Nintendo DS to the DS lite.... a lot of people bought both since the price was affordable. expect the Wii to do the same thing.

That 'Numb Nutz' got MCS to post less and tone it down when he does, which is what most of use wanted so I for one am glad he came around!

Sony gives out both figues, the number shipping and the number sold, e.g. 'We are expecting to ship 6,000,000 by March' but they have given out the fugure on how many they have actually sold which is around 3,200,000

You people are crazy who cares buy your system of choice go play it instead of sitting here flaming eachother like little kids

PHUCK M$!!!

"Listen, I've had a PS3 since well before Xmas.. I have 2 sixaxis controllers, have completed Resistance and Motorstorm and I'm 30 hours into Oblivion and I've never had a controller stop responding on me, even once."



- My PS3 has dropped connection a few times during those exact games and it's only a month old. Not to mention how every single time you start or end a PS2 game the controller completely drops and you have to press the PS button.



Mind you I do like the PS3 so far, but I play my 360 a lot more still... and the Wii... kind of collects dust right now.

The Wii... 18 months... [face_plain].



I'm a Sony fanboy, I love my PS2 but the PS3 has been for far too long and wasting 600 bucks on a console that has no interesting games whatsoever is just a waste of money.



I mean Motostorm is the new ATV Offroad, I hated that game and Resistance is like any other shooter that just came at the perfect time since the PS3 didn't had any good games to begin with. The only interesting game right now is Virtua Fighter 5, which still doesn't justify to buy the system. The PS3 has exclusives but face it, like 80% of them have no official date. MGS4 is one of my most anticipated games and yet it still doesn't have an official date, (FFXIII also).



I'll just have to wait untill better games come and stick with my lovely PS2. (Which buy the way is owning the PS3/360 as I post this)

therefore xbox 360 is selling better than ps3 worldwide

They never change.

Microsoft is *****ing retarded. They make *****ty ass consoles. Sony makes better consoles then the *****ty XBox 360 is one joke a system.