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Nintendo tells Sony: "Stop Copying Me!" ... But who's copying who? |
Listed in: PS3, Wii Tags: David Yarnton
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It's nothing new to hear about the rivalry between Nintendo and Sony after this years E3 expo since both have controllers that are sporting various forms of motion sensor technology. Today, Nintendo UK boss David Yarnton openly attacked Sony for stealing Nintendo's ideas, past and present. Yarnton said "Historically we're always developing new things. We know Sony have had a lot of issues with their rumble feature and they've had to withdraw it - because they didn't innovate, they copied"; obviously referring to both the past legal drama involving rumble technology, and motion-sensing ideas in the PS3 controller which is allegedly copying Nintendo's Wii controller.

However, it is common knowledge that motion sensor technology has been around of quite some time now. For example, Microsoft's Sidewinder Freestyle Pro 1.0 for the PC has been around for over a decade; and although we cannot find an exact date of when it was released (probably because the internet wasn't used so much back then), it was developed for Windows 95/98, and so would have been fist released in the late 1990's. But this wasn't the only controller using motion sensor technology in the 1990's.
Here's a snippet of a gaming show that features a Playstation 1 controller called the "Tiltforce 2" made by Pelican accessories. This controller had motion sensor technology back in 1999! Sure, it wasn't made by Sony, but how could they copy something that was already available on their original console?
Yarnton also said: "With Nintendo, I'm trying to think of anything we've copied... but I can't". I wonder if he'd think the same after seeing this video.
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so i guess microsoft came up with the idea first......oh forget it! MOTION SENCORING FOR ALL! LOL
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"HA! See! Sony didnt copy Ninty! They are actually using 8 year old tech in their next gen consoles so THERE! We win!"
Awsome!
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Sony had a patent 4 years ago... And the controller was the 'original' idea for the PS2's Dual Shock 2 Controller...
So nintendo can go eat *****... stupid fools...
They need to get over it.. there is totally different technologies involved in the Wiimote and the Dual Shock 3.
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So do you realy think a control that you dance whit will give it some many more funtions, it will only give you a difrent style of playing a game (and wristed ankel).
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also, this is so old, nintendo doesnt look at other companies ***** for ideas, they come up with their own, and it wasnt copied, although it may seem, they never knew about the origional idea.
also, the last post really makes me sad and shows the stupidity of fanboys, you sir are clearly an idiot because the controller actually CAN do more than the dual shock, everything you mentioned is console hardware related, not freaking dual shock hardware related. also, the motion sensing will be not be utilized very much, or every used for a full game, maybe mini games, and the sad fact also that the ds3 controller wont even have rumble. the wiimote will have rumble, more motion sensing abilities, a speaker to add more immersion so like you can hear the ball or whatever hit your racket or whatever right up close, and also, nobody needs all that other crap sony has put into the ps3. ITS A GAMING CONSOLE NOT A ****** MULTIMEDIA PLAYER. SONY, GET OVER YOUR SELF. STOP MAKING CRAPPY CONSOLES AND GAMES.
lol
kthxbai
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Benchmark: Fanboys: 0 Me: 1
Nintendo is still innovative. All these other controllers are basically just tilt (Kind of like Warioware Twisted, shame on you Nintendo), with the motion sensor stuck on the front of them, a la PS3. These kind of suck, which is why the PS3 answer to motion sensor is:
A) More of a takeoff on the Wavebird and PC than the Wii
B) Gimmicky
Benchmark: Fanboys: 0 Me: 3
Nintendo on the other hand has completely redesigned the motion sensor idea (making it of cetral focus instead of abitrarily sticking it on), so really it's not fair to say that Nintendo is copying anyone. I'm not a huge fan of Nintendo, if fact I would say I'm more of a PS fan than Nintendo, but these are all just undeniable proofs. You disappointed me, Sony. I'm going to go cry now.
Final Benchmark: Fanboys: 0 Me: 4
Fine development companies that suck now: 3
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They also help put you one step farther from ever getting laid.
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Cant we all just get along......
Every console is going to have its own great exclusive games.
Some may be more innovative than others, but each console will have its own great games...
360 - Gears of War....Halo3
PS3 - Metal Gear Solid 4....Grand Turismo
Wii - Smash Bros Brawl....Zelda-Twilight Princess
The times of one completely dominate company is in the past.
Embrace the future, even better things are yet to come.
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ps the tech found in ps3 controller are used for games like kirby tilt and tumble for gameboy colour, lol!!!
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Halo3(awsome)
PS3 - Metal Gear Solid 4(boring)....
Grand Turismo(almost not borring)
Wii - Smash Bros Brawl
(idk, but i loved smash bros on 64)....
Zelda-Twilight Princess (meh not a zelda fan)
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nothing out of sony has ever been innovative, its all been imitation.
"But sony Patented it first!!!"
and? that was the tech, and they never said it was intended for the playstation.
"But Sony is using different tech! its not copying!"
you are correct, they are using different tech, and thus they are not copying the nintendo HARDWARE. what is debated here is if sony was influenced by the Nintendo Wii to put Motion Sensing in their controller.
and take into account that developers dident even know about the motion sensing until the last minnute before E3 and you can kinda see it was not concieved in the timeframe before the nintendo announcement.
i would respect sony more, if they just stopped all this childish bull***** and just came out and said "Yes, we saw the Wiimote and thought it was badass... and we wanted some of that in our console."
would anyone think any less of them for saying that? no. would we still be talking about this if they said that? no.
but sony is a company based entirely on Marketing.
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Sony always copies, to steal the thunder away from another system to make you buy their system. Because if their system has the best of both worlds (Xbox360 & Nintendo Wii), you'll buy their system.
I believe its how they make alot of money.
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1: Sony trying to take over
2: Nintendo Striking back by Changing Manufacturer.
both are to blame really, but trying to say its soley Nintendos fault is again, just ignorance.
life is not black or white, its shades of grey and color, consiter that both wanted the best and to be incharge, they both tried to control the other and that ultamately destroyed their partnership.
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It was only after they found out about Nintendo's intention to use motion sensing that they went digging in their patent box and realized they could do the same thing.
I'm not totally doggin' on Sony for making the function available. What pisses me off is, that they won't admit that Nintendo's idea influenced their addition for the tilt function in their own controller.
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The design of the controller is different, you won't be using them in the same way so they are quite different.
Ultimately, who cares?! We (the consumer) just get more features as they all try and out do each other.
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Oh, and for the "i cant think of anything we copied off of Nintendo" How about joysticks, rumble, saving and the playstation itself. (Nintendos idea at first, they just didn't want to keep making it, Sony were hired by Nintendo to develop it for the 64 and decided to take the idea and make their own consoles since theyd mde almost all of it already.)
They were all taken from Nintendo, but now every console has them, we all benefit from Nintendos ideas so what does it matter that Nintendo made them first?
(oh, and Nintendo fanboys are on here because its also on qj.net front page, not just ps3updates...)
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Would you say that they should never have made the arcade machines because they copied the world's first electronic game, pong? Would you prefer that noone made a RTS after Dune II? Do you have any idea how identic things are?
Talking about copying is completely foolish in itself. In order for something new to survive, it must have an advantage.
We're talking evolution here. When something new and better arrives, it sets higher standards for the competition. No matter what happens, motion sensors will be part of the new standards in the console gaming industry. All the next-next-generation consoles would have had it anyway.
#41, Sony was hired by Nintendo to develop a Compact-Disc player and hardware enhancement for the SNES called the Playstation. But soon, Nintendo abandoned the project, and Sony were left with a half-finished console. Rather than scrapping the entire project(which had obviously cost them a lot of cash), they decided to keep working and soon released a complete stand-alone console.
Actually, PC gamepads and joysticks(Micro soft) were the first to develop most controller features, like vibration and the joystick itself(-->analog stick). What Sony did was making vibration a standard feature which everyone had.
When the next-next-gen computers and consoles arrive with Blu-Ray Roms and RW's, will you complain about them copying the PS3?
What I'm trying to convince you to stop saying that Sony are not copying the Wii remote. If my logics are not enough, I happen to have the link to the PS3 controller's motion sensors in the Patent list:
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=JP11099284&F=0
As you see it was put there in 1999. It's a hard fact.
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Sony is only one who is very mean and very ***** because they tell any companies not to development 2-D ?! Thats not their *****ing decision! And I am happy that it is very expensive and they wants our cash to go waste for this!
I am smarter and wiser to buy cheaper and worth system. I am moving on to Wii. Sony, go ***** yourself you ***** bastard!!!!!
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Look, fools. Motion sensing technology was around before it appeared in a (THIRD PARTY, NOT SONY'S DOING) Playstation controller. This is how we make progress. Someone comes up with a good idea, then someone else takes that idea and tries to make it better. It's called competition. If this sort of thing did not happen, we would all still be playing Pong on our Magnavox Odysseys.
And who gives a ***** anyway? The two controllers handle completely differently! You rotate the Dual Shock 3 to move ***** around on the PS3 and you swing the Wiimote around like a television remote to move ***** on the Wii! The PS3 seems to be better suited to something like flight combat games, while the Wiimote is better suited to baseball or swordfighting. The motion sensing seems to take a back seat on the PS3 to the original design, whereas on the Wii it's quite clearly the focus of the whole system. There will be different applications for each, and each will have great games the other won't.
So stop being whiny little fanboys. A real gamer wouldn't care about garbage like this and would focus on the games, not the system or arguing about who had motion sensing first.
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Those bastards
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PS3 saw the positive reaction from the wii's wiimote so they tossed it in to see the reaction they'd get from the people. Utter crap. They clearly put it in due to the loss of rumble.
They're reaction?
Rumble is so last-gen! Its all about watered down versions of motion sensing!!!!
YA dumb bastards sony..... u just lost the lawsuit. Dont bull***** us.
And PS. PS3's *****ed. It ahs the same power of the 360 from the demo's I played at E3. And for 200 extra. with games costin around 80 bucks! how quaint!
And I was saddly a PS2 fanboy a while back....
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The whole "problem" isn't the fact that Sony included a tilt sensor on the DS3; it's the fact that the intention to why they included it is so lame. Sony just wanted to hurt Nintendo by telling their fans that the DS3 has the same abilities as the Wii controller. Which many uninformed people could take as a fact. Sony doesn't know the definitions of honor and respect.
As for Microsoft. I just love that they're not losing their time by bashing or worrying about other consoles too much. That is why Microsoft will succeed with the 360. Sony will fall back to second or, dare I say, third place. Nintendo has a chance on regaining their throne IF they polish their technology and people are open to their new way of playing games.
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Whos copying who?
One word.
"Powerglove".
Tech isnt all the same, however the basic idea was there, and as far as I know, Nintendo was the first to actually try and sell it.
Bah..
Like there should be any question here.
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I'm both a Sony and Nintendo (not Microsoft though) fanboy, so I'm not picking any side. I'm just hear to say HUT THE ***** UP! Instead of insulting with bad internet grammer showing yiou truely have no *****ing life than to make others feel as though they should put put a bullet in their heads, though most probably should.
The truth is there was no copying. Sure, Nintendo had the pointer like function, but didnt reveal that the Numchuck has motion sensor until this E3, thus it was more of a turn of event. What next? Are the Nintendo fans gonna say that Sony copied DVD players or Gaming for being a game console developer? Or will Sony fans start flaming about Nintendo Wii having DVD player options?
We can keep arguing about who stole what, but why the ***** do so? No the facts and dont feel like you have to whipe the companies' asses, as they can do so themselves. If they havent yet, obviously they dont want to!
Now, how about you all stop *****ing *****ing and just choose the console you like best and not try to put the other company down.
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I own an xbox, ps1, and a ps2, I have plaed mgs its nothing great.
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heres how
1a) Nintendo treated any third party developer/comp like crap since the NES day, guess what third party developers did to make games? they hacked the NES.
1b) On the SNES nintendo let them make games but took over on all says and treated them like crap.
1c) they wanted to battle sega saturan, made a deal with sony and while everything was contracted found someone to do it cheaper and broke the contract, thus Playstion was born. If this didnt happen guess what? Thrid party devs would still be treated like crap.
2) Yes both of them are arrogant bast**ds, but Nintendo has done the most damage, nostalgia aside, their evil doings are on par with M$'s faulty software and hardware.
3)Wii is geared to general non gaming populace while ps3 is for gamers, 360 americanized gamers that like thier american pride and to shoot things.
My two cents.
Nintendo is trying to redeem itself by doing 3, sony is pushing new hardware to give people the most in the future, they always have. Beta-max? quality was gorgeous for magnetic tape mediums, badly named, lost to lower quality vhs. UMD's? great idea, wrong medium. Should ahve been geared towards music and made more periphs to go with it (would have solved music pirating pretty well for a bit), DVD's? Success, eccellerated the immersion rate enormously. Blu-ray? 25-50gb disc, content value is astounding, porn industry is swearing by it, same with alot of major motion picture companies(major ity of them i may add). I love nintendos wii concept but i also see alot more limitations to the gaming experience than conventional controlers right now. Give me a wii and some VR with some better variaty;and ill cream my pants. But for now without VR im getting me a ps3, i want my variaty, and my brew of coffee(the style of games i like). No matter the price, and yes im poor but ill live... thats what ramen is for mofo's
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For example, who was the first to have the 3 screen level brightness on thier handheld??
SONY!
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First you fanboys say its gimmicky! now look, DS is straight whoopin that ass.
now look at Wii's controller. Almost every sony and MS fanboy said its gimmicky! now look. Sony just had to implement some kind of inferior motion detection from Pelican.
Rumble. shoulder buttons, analog, motion detection, and eventually TOUCHSCREEN for their next portable. Why do fanboys insist on defending Sony? Why? they're not paying you $hit. You're paying them.
The proof is there. Just stop and enjoy the games for phucks sake! Don't even think about defending SONY when the touchscreen is announced down the line.
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It all started in 1989..YES FREGIN 1989!!!With the NES power glove!!!!
Than of course...Kirby Tilt and Tumble in like 1994 for the GBC!!YES FREGIN 1994!!!
Than Warioware Twisted on the Gba which was when?2004??
2005 is the Wiis turn...
Who copied who now???????PUNKS!!!Microso ft so copied the power glove and GBC...Get your facts straight QJ.NET!!!
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both sense motion in different ways... and who knows... maybe sony did have the idea of motion sensing from the begining :/
correct me if im wrong... But doesnt the ps3 controller only senses tilts, up and down and side to side motions?
But the Wii mote senses up down, left right (rotations), foward and back movements, and side to side? basicly ever possible dimensions? sensing the distance from the console? Meh havent been paying attention to the info on the consoles so I'm probably wrong
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The wii-mote is almost total innovation, sure it uses god-knows-how-old motion sensing technology that was almost certainly not Ninty's idea, but it uses it in a way that was never before seen on any console. It's not a crappy tilt function that tries to mimic an analog stick, it's a full blown all sensing device that, combined with the infrared sensor, can sense every movement and position of the remote in a 3d space! This is VR technology finally in a home gaming console, I for one have been waiting for something similar to this ever since i first touched a controller.
Tilt functions have been around for almost as long as consoles have, but the Wii takes it farther than ever before they really didn't copy anyone, sure, the technology may be the same, but it's utilized in a way never before seen, and that in my book, makes it super.
PS: The same tilt sensing idea that was present in the ps1 controller by pelican was present in a n64 perhiphrial that combined it with a rumble pack, made by a 3rd company, exact date and company i don't know, i remember it from an old Tips and Tricks magazine.
PPS: If im a fanboy, the most I am is an m$ hater, i now own almost all the main systems created to this day including all sega , ninty, and sony systems, including psp, ds, all forms of Gameboy, CDX, gamegear, 32x, and atari, the only reason i don't have an xbox is that there arent that many games for it i'd want to shell out the cash for that i can't already play on some other system, and i dont call 5+ games a reason to buy a system.
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Im pleased $ony stuck with the Dual Shock Design and added L2 + R2 trigger ITS BETTER THAN THE BATRANG!
And as much as I like the Wii I have to face it the Dual shock 3 will be geat for games, much like the other daul shocks before it. $ony has realised that their controller is well known and recognised, but needed some adjustment and improvements. THe gyro however, dosent seem like the selling point, unlikie the Wii, which is completley based around its revonlutionary controller.
Im not attacking the Wii mote but, I have to admit though for certain types of games the Wii-mote would be shocking, and I much rather a DS3.
The Wii's design perfectly suits certain games, but also limits itself, $ony has played it safe, and fixed up their controller and added the gyro, which seems to be more or less another controll option, and $ony admits its not trying to be innovative and out there like the Wii.
'Sigh' im sick of hearing the Nintendo's innovative and Sonys not argument. Get over it. I will be buyin g a Wii and a PS3, and you have to realise that these consoles are EXTREMLY different, and you just cant start waving your arms about flaming one of them, unless you hold a personal vendetta against $ony or Nintendo
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DUDE, NINTENDO ARE EVEN WORSE THAN MICROSOFT AND SONY ARE BETTER THAN MICROSOFA NO DOUBT, HC OUTPUT AND BLUE-RAY READER. PS3 IS A BARGAIN
DONT JUST BE A PRICK AND SAY ITS BETTER BECAUSE YOU LIKE IT BETTER. JUST READ THIS IS THINK ABOUT IT, ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT IT. DONT JUST SAY SHUT UP, JUST THINK ABOUT IT
Xbox 360:
20gb
ethernet cable
wireless controller
HD Output
17 times more powerfull than the PS2
all for £279 (amazon)
PS3:
60gb (3 times xbox)
wireless controller
WIFI (Xbox dont have it)(hahahahaha)
HD Output
Blue-Ray
35 times more powerfull than the PS2
all for £425
Ok, Now The PS3 is x2 more powerfull thank Xbox, so that should be double price which is £558
Ok, NOW SUCK ON THIS, THATS MORE THAN THE PS3 PLUS THE PS3 HAS WIRELESS INTERNET AND IT HAS 3 TIMES MORE MEM STORAGE AND PS3 HAS BLUE-RAY DVD READER WHICH COSTS £600 ANYWAY
AND YOU MAY BE THINKING WHY I AM COMPAIRING IT TO XBOX, ITS BECAUSE XBOX IS BETTER THAN NINTENDO.
SUCK ON IT
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- "Sony copied the Nintendo motion sensor...."
- "But Sony has the sensor patented from 1999"
- "In the PS3 you'll have a web browser and blablabla compatibility with PSP, and Nintendo don't offer this things..."
Patetic. Sony didn't stole anything... they're different systems, different kind of sensors (Sony -> 6 directions; Nintendo -> 3D). Nintendo have the Opera Browser for DS and Wii.
And you better go to school, you're losing too much neurons spitting no-senses.
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Sure Sony have taken ideas from other companies, but dont forget that they in turn have taken from other places. heck without companies taken ideas from others, the gaming industry would never get anywhere (eg FPS games would have to be made by the same company who created them in the 1st place) companies always take other ideas, but add to them in their own way to make them unique.
personally, i cant wait to get my hands on the PS3 and play games such as warhawk using the tilt sensing. It could get annoying with the Wii if every game uses the sensing technology.
Also, on that point y would u need to put emulated games on the system Nintendo? afraid that the games you got for your console aint gonna b good enough
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"Would you say that they should never have made the arcade machines because they copied the world's first electronic game, pong?"
because in context to of what is being discussed, pong actually copied someone else's idea and had a law suit filed against them and they were forced to pay royalties... Haha, man the irony is palpable.
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POWER GLOVE, anyone...?
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Guess what Sony fanboys, that wasn't true motion-tracking/sensing. it was tilt-sensing. There was a basic gyro system inside it, the actual position of the controller was impossible for the playstation to know. the capeabilities of this are similar to a 'spirit level' device that measures what angle something is on or how straight it's sides are. it uses gravity to guage this measurement and is therefore a stone-age technology.
Nintendo are using something more akin to what motion capture animation systems work with, using actual X Y Z coordinates, with the added inclusion of a gyro (they renamed it accelerometer). The Wiimote is innovative and far outdoes the Sony gaystation 3 monstrosity.
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Sony sucks
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They've all copied each other at one point, but thats because of the fanboys of each system keeps bitching and complaining, why cant they just play the games and shut up. i personally grew up with mario and i intend to stick with it, though i have a 360 and ps3.
TL;DR version = Haters Gon Hate, Bitchs Gon Bitch, just walk away and move on with your shit. Werd
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power glove
motion controlling in the 80s
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