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Nintendo tells Sony: "Stop Copying Me!" ... But who's copying who?

Posted May 19, 2006 at 9:34AM EST by QJ Staff

Listed in: PS3, Wii Tags: David Yarnton
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PS3 Vs Wii


It's nothing new to hear about the rivalry between Nintendo and Sony after this years E3 expo since both have controllers that are sporting various forms of motion sensor technology.
Today, Nintendo UK boss David Yarnton openly attacked Sony for stealing Nintendo's ideas, past and present. Yarnton said "Historically we're always developing new things. We know Sony have had a lot of issues with their rumble feature and they've had to withdraw it - because they didn't innovate, they copied"; obviously referring to both the past legal drama involving rumble technology, and motion-sensing ideas in the PS3 controller which is allegedly copying Nintendo's Wii controller.
Sidewinder
However, it is common knowledge that motion sensor technology has been around of quite some time now. For example, Microsoft's Sidewinder Freestyle Pro 1.0 for the PC has been around for over a decade; and although we cannot find an exact date of when it was released (probably because the internet wasn't used so much back then), it was developed for Windows 95/98, and so would have been fist released in the late 1990's. But this wasn't the only controller using motion sensor technology in the 1990's.

Here's a snippet of a gaming show that features a Playstation 1 controller called the "Tiltforce 2" made by Pelican accessories. This controller had motion sensor technology back in 1999! Sure, it wasn't made by Sony, but how could they copy something that was already available on their original console?




Yarnton also said: "With Nintendo, I'm trying to think of anything we've copied... but I can't". I wonder if he'd think the same after seeing this video.



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# nintendo.....Guest 2006-05-19 12:23
i wonder what they would say now....

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# YES!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!Guest 2006-05-19 12:29
Now what Nintendo fanboys?! Who stole who?! Speak louder I can't hear you!

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# Still. . .Guest 2006-05-19 12:39
Nintendo brought it to consoles. Sony wouldn't have done it if they hadn't seen Nintendo do it first and get such a positive reaction. Kutaragi or Hirai even called it a gimmick. It's still innovative because the technology is new to console gaming. Look up the definition. And who really cares if Sony copied anyway?

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# ZDtvGuest 2006-05-19 12:39
This article rocks for the sole reason that it has an old ZDtv clip with Kate Botello and Adam Sessler(with hair)

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# to comment #3Guest 2006-05-19 12:42
dont say it was sonys idea, did you even read the article? Pelican made the controller but they were probably inovated by the microsoft sidewinder....

so i guess microsoft came up with the idea first......oh forget it! MOTION SENCORING FOR ALL! LOL

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# so?Guest 2006-05-19 12:43
Sony has had that SAME unoriginal design for a controller for 3 generations now. The boomerang controller was stupid looking, but hell, at least it was a change. When i saw that they reverted AGAIN back to their old controller, i was shocked. And about the motion thing, no one copied anyone, but it "could" have been realized by Sony, that it might just be the right time for people to accept this as a standard in controllers. I am not a "fanboy" of any of these systems, hell, when/if the price goes down in PS3's, i'll probably buy one regardless of the controller. The controller should be treated like a pet peeve, not the "ALMIGHTY DECISION" on whether or not to buy the system itself. If i were you, i'd wait for that price drop too.

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# Once again...The Unbiased One 2006-05-19 12:43
I have said this time and time again, THE NINTENDO WII CONTROLLER IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THE DUAL SCHOCK 3! the way you controller games with both are completely different. Nintendo copied no one, and Sony copied no one.

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# OOoOh score one for Sony! Yeah, right.Guest 2006-05-19 12:46
if you think about it, this controller will fail again. There's a reason why it didnt catch on back in 1999 besides being from 3rd party. Who copied who? doesnt even matter now Sony fanboys. The real question here: is PS3 going to succeed with that controller? Once people realize that the tilt function is really limiting, why would they want spend $600 when Nintendo's controller (and system)is cheaper AND can do so much more?

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# Guest 2006-05-19 12:59
hehe, I love the reaction from Sony fanboys



"HA! See! Sony didnt copy Ninty! They are actually using 8 year old tech in their next gen consoles so THERE! We win!"



:D



Awsome!

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# yesGuest 2006-05-19 13:09
sony announced it in 2003 and they have a patten so....

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# hahahush404 2006-05-19 13:12
It's about time someone shut Nintendo up. All I ever hear is how innovative nintendo is and how they come up with all the new tech before anyone else but it's all crap! Also, I remember Kutaragi talking about PS3 bringing gaming to the 4th demension in 2005's E3 and I've also heard Sony reps talk this E3 about how the new controller brings a new Dimension to gaming... so it's possible that Sony had this controller (whit motion sensor tech) made even before 2005's E3 and just didn't want to reveal it incase other companies (cough, microsoft) used the same tech, it would eb something that gave them an edge. All of this is before Nintendo even hinted at what they're controller would do.

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# Yes..Guest 2006-05-19 13:13
Microsoft and Sony had the idea before Nintendo...



Sony had a patent 4 years ago... And the controller was the 'original' idea for the PS2's Dual Shock 2 Controller...



So nintendo can go eat *****... stupid fools...



They need to get over it.. there is totally different technologies involved in the Wiimote and the Dual Shock 3.

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# to 9Jukke 2006-05-19 13:26
The wii can't do more then ps3 just becuse it has a difrent controll. If ps3 now will have linux and be able to have homebrew then you can play nintendos old game for free for exampel. And like in the psp you will have a webbrowser (that I think will be fast as on the pc if not faster), music, movie (HD movie even), online updates for more things that will get to it later. Oh and it will also have eaytoy and that strange card thing yeah and more things. Oh and the psp and ps3 will also have many nice funtions togeter.



So do you realy think a control that you dance whit will give it some many more funtions, it will only give you a difrent style of playing a game (and wristed ankel).

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# wow omgsoapinmouth 2006-05-19 13:32
they copied them by putting it in the next gen cosole...durrrrrrr, but if u mean it that way than your right sony copied microsofts sidewinder and pelican's crap version.

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# Off TopicGuest 2006-05-19 13:35
But was that an earlier Verison on Adam Seesler? OMG he was a bigger douche even then...

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# person above, you suck, the rest, you suck too.Guest 2006-05-19 13:43
now of course you are all forgetting the fact this this is third party and sony could never come up with something as smart as this because they are uninnovitive.



also, this is so old, nintendo doesnt look at other companies ***** for ideas, they come up with their own, and it wasnt copied, although it may seem, they never knew about the origional idea.





also, the last post really makes me sad and shows the stupidity of fanboys, you sir are clearly an idiot because the controller actually CAN do more than the dual shock, everything you mentioned is console hardware related, not freaking dual shock hardware related. also, the motion sensing will be not be utilized very much, or every used for a full game, maybe mini games, and the sad fact also that the ds3 controller wont even have rumble. the wiimote will have rumble, more motion sensing abilities, a speaker to add more immersion so like you can hear the ball or whatever hit your racket or whatever right up close, and also, nobody needs all that other crap sony has put into the ps3. ITS A GAMING CONSOLE NOT A ****** MULTIMEDIA PLAYER. SONY, GET OVER YOUR SELF. STOP MAKING CRAPPY CONSOLES AND GAMES.





lol



kthxbai

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# why the boomerang?Guest 2006-05-19 13:45
If sony had planned to use the motion sensing techonology in their controller for the PS3, then why did they show the boomerang controller for over a year. I think its funny how sony heard the reaction from gamers saying how stupid it looked and they said they were going to redesign the controller and then they come out with a dualshock controller with a little bit of motion sensing. They must have some creative people on that design team. Whether or not they copied Nintendo really doesnt matter. The dominant controller will show once the systems are released but with sony already copying Xbox Live, I wouldn't be suprised. Way to go next gen Sony.

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# All of you are f**king stupid/wrongGuest 2006-05-19 13:56
Ok. Here's the deal. Everyone says how Sony patented it a long time ago, well Nintendo patented it even longer ago.



Benchmark: Fanboys: 0 Me: 1



Nintendo is still innovative. All these other controllers are basically just tilt (Kind of like Warioware Twisted, shame on you Nintendo), with the motion sensor stuck on the front of them, a la PS3. These kind of suck, which is why the PS3 answer to motion sensor is:

A) More of a takeoff on the Wavebird and PC than the Wii

B) Gimmicky



Benchmark: Fanboys: 0 Me: 3



Nintendo on the other hand has completely redesigned the motion sensor idea (making it of cetral focus instead of abitrarily sticking it on), so really it's not fair to say that Nintendo is copying anyone. I'm not a huge fan of Nintendo, if fact I would say I'm more of a PS fan than Nintendo, but these are all just undeniable proofs. You disappointed me, Sony. I'm going to go cry now.



Final Benchmark: Fanboys: 0 Me: 4

Fine development companies that suck now: 3

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# Guest 2006-05-19 13:57
Quit it with these bull***** comparison articles. They're always biased or responsible for a flame war.

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# woahGuest 2006-05-19 14:07
Who cares e3 is over its not like nintendo and sony will fight over this and have a war. The dualshock and wii are completely different. and if we find about the pelican dualshock now, why are people accusing nintendo that they stole it. thay most likely never knew about the pelican until probably now. The wiimote imo is very creative making the possibilities almost limitless for gameplay. It makes me mad at both nintendo and sony fanboys going at each other just to say whos copying who. Lets just give up the copying with sony and nintendo and focus on the real problem here. The price of the ps3

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# Comment # 20 and 21...Guest 2006-05-19 14:45
I know you guys don't like flame wars, but guess what? They help us be more patinate about gameing and keeps the interests in them alive. In return each company tries to be better than other to prove to be best, and in the end we benefit by getting better games and hardware. They earn more money, so everybody wins!

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# Guest 2006-05-19 15:10
"They help us be more patinate about gameing and keeps the interests in them alive."

They also help put you one step farther from ever getting laid. :D

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# IdeasGuest 2006-05-19 15:10
To me, both controllers are very different. It isn't a matter of who copied who. If everyone aruged that about everything, nothing would be invented. I believe that Yarton was pretty moronic to say that Sony copied Nintendo. I definetly take both sides of this issue.

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# Cant we all just get along?!?Guest 2006-05-19 15:41
Fanboys fighting Fanboys....

Cant we all just get along......

Every console is going to have its own great exclusive games.

Some may be more innovative than others, but each console will have its own great games...



360 - Gears of War....Halo3

PS3 - Metal Gear Solid 4....Grand Turismo

Wii - Smash Bros Brawl....Zelda-Twilight Princess



The times of one completely dominate company is in the past.

Embrace the future, even better things are yet to come.

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# fanboysGuest 2006-05-19 16:44
the guy who posted this is a fanboy, controllers are completely different, wii mote has better control, ps3 has alot less, they use different tech too, sony only copied nintendo by stealing their idea of introducing motion control to consoles,sony did crappy because it was tacked on at the last minute, nintendo better because it is advanced tech and was thought out over time instead of a week, also neither company invented not one of the two different techs,



ps the tech found in ps3 controller are used for games like kirby tilt and tumble for gameboy colour, lol!!!

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# good pint but...soapinmouth 2006-05-19 16:49
360 - Gears of War(idk but looks like it will be fun....)

Halo3(awsome)



PS3 - Metal Gear Solid 4(boring)....

Grand Turismo(almost not borring)



Wii - Smash Bros Brawl

(idk, but i loved smash bros on 64)....

Zelda-Twilight Princess (meh not a zelda fan)

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# think about itGuest 2006-05-19 17:01
am a playstation fan but i think sony didnt actually think about this tech till they saw nintendos wii-mote and how ppl were reacting to it, if they did know about the tech they could have implemented it into the psp that way there would be no need for the analog stick. but i think thats going to be the new feature and the hdd in the next psp i guess.

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# idiotsThorlord 2006-05-19 17:03
i love the thought of millions of playstation fanboys going out of their way to prove that sony is innovative.



nothing out of sony has ever been innovative, its all been imitation.



"But sony Patented it first!!!"

and? that was the tech, and they never said it was intended for the playstation.

"But Sony is using different tech! its not copying!"

you are correct, they are using different tech, and thus they are not copying the nintendo HARDWARE. what is debated here is if sony was influenced by the Nintendo Wii to put Motion Sensing in their controller.



and take into account that developers dident even know about the motion sensing until the last minnute before E3 and you can kinda see it was not concieved in the timeframe before the nintendo announcement.



i would respect sony more, if they just stopped all this childish bull***** and just came out and said "Yes, we saw the Wiimote and thought it was badass... and we wanted some of that in our console."



would anyone think any less of them for saying that? no. would we still be talking about this if they said that? no.



but sony is a company based entirely on Marketing.

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# HeheGuest 2006-05-19 17:33
Adam Sessler ROXS

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# BullSh*T, Sony Always Copy NintendoGuest 2006-05-19 17:53
Stop playing dumb Sony fangirls, I have a PS2 and PSone and I know Sony's ideas all came from Nintendo. Remember Rumble Feature anyone? (copied from nintendo,) (Yes, Nintendo was first) Wait, lets compare the PS12&3 controller to SNES controller. (Wait, not a whole copied controller because they added shapes on the buttons and added extra shoulder buttons) Hold On, Nintendo 64 come's to the seen with a Analog joystick and somehow Sony gets it too. (Dual Shock 1&2) Then out comes the Wavebird wireless controller (Nintedno too by the way) and now PS3 and Xbox 360 have it. PS3 is now also coping Xbox live online service.

Sony always copies, to steal the thunder away from another system to make you buy their system. Because if their system has the best of both worlds (Xbox360 & Nintendo Wii), you'll buy their system.

I believe its how they make alot of money.

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# wow calm downGuest 2006-05-19 18:01
don't sweat it nintendo fans. Sony is to busy tring to win a format war right now. They care more about blue ray selling then they do ps3 selling. They hope by using threre fanboys they will sell tons of blue ray machines which in return will help them win the format war. They have come to the table to win a format war this time not a console war. Who wants to buy the next video game console that is more about movies then games. Sony didn't copy nintendo. Nintendo didn't copy them. the wii is like a relationship with someone you want to spend your whole life with. The ps3 is like a one night stand. I mean sure warhawk would be fun and it looks good but it can't fill you because what do you do when you want to play more games that use the motion of the control. Oh wait I know go buy an eye toy then you can play a few more games. Come on the wii takes advantage of using motion with every game big diffrence. I also will add that the dk bongos for the gamecube are cool but they are just like sony's ps3 controller or eye toy you can only use them with a few select games. See what I mean by long lasting because every game uses motion and not long lasting becuse only a few games use the motion. I'll take the one that uses the motion with every game because I think it's the new way for games.

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# wah wahGuest 2006-05-19 18:31
The way I see it, Sony should keep "copying" Nintendo. It's just sweet, sweet payback for that whole SNES CD scenario. Bottom line, what goes around, comes around.

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# #33Thorlord 2006-05-19 19:12
um, that whole SNES CD fell through because of two things:

1: Sony trying to take over

2: Nintendo Striking back by Changing Manufacturer.



both are to blame really, but trying to say its soley Nintendos fault is again, just ignorance.



life is not black or white, its shades of grey and color, consiter that both wanted the best and to be incharge, they both tried to control the other and that ultamately destroyed their partnership.

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# #27Guest 2006-05-19 19:13
lol im not a fanboy to anything yea gears of war n halo looks hot but how does mgs4 look boring?? thats the most xbox fanboy comment ive ever heard lol

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# Sony was influenced by NintendoGuest 2006-05-19 19:27
Regardless to the Sony Patent for the motion sensor. When they released information about the PS3 last years E3, there was nothing said about a tilt function and everyone remembers that hidious boomerang controller.



It was only after they found out about Nintendo's intention to use motion sensing that they went digging in their patent box and realized they could do the same thing.



I'm not totally doggin' on Sony for making the function available. What pisses me off is, that they won't admit that Nintendo's idea influenced their addition for the tilt function in their own controller.

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# ps3 rox ma soxGuest 2006-05-19 19:49
who cares if sony copies other companies/consoles (apart from the other companies lol) it just makes it better 4 us because we get the best bits from each console without having to buy them. so i say rok on sony and ps3! and who is adam sessler?

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# to many fanboys hereGuest 2006-05-19 21:50
i bet your all just playstation fanboys posting.

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# wtf?Guest 2006-05-19 22:15
What are you Nintendo fanboys doing on a PS3 site anyways? LOL...I suppose it takes people of your guys' lowliness to come and flame these PS fanboys. ^_^ My my my...

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# Who cares, and so what?FreakShow! 2006-05-19 22:38
As everyone says, I suppose M$ were the first with this (ironic that they don't have it on the 360 and PS3 and Wii will have it) so technically Ninty copied aswell.



The design of the controller is different, you won't be using them in the same way so they are quite different.



Ultimately, who cares?! We (the consumer) just get more features as they all try and out do each other.

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# Why the hell do you all care?Guest 2006-05-19 22:43
Whoever makes it in the end we all have the great features so what does it matter who akes the idea?



Oh, and for the "i cant think of anything we copied off of Nintendo" How about joysticks, rumble, saving and the playstation itself. (Nintendos idea at first, they just didn't want to keep making it, Sony were hired by Nintendo to develop it for the 64 and decided to take the idea and make their own consoles since theyd mde almost all of it already.)



They were all taken from Nintendo, but now every console has them, we all benefit from Nintendos ideas so what does it matter that Nintendo made them first?



(oh, and Nintendo fanboys are on here because its also on qj.net front page, not just ps3updates...)

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# Meh.Guest 2006-05-20 00:22
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# ClarificationGuest 2006-05-20 02:01
Listen: Everything, from ducks to Formula1 Cars to the Playstation 3 itself, are just enhanced or different versions of something that already existed. The creation of something completely new... It doesn't happen too often. It only happened a few times during the last century.



Would you say that they should never have made the arcade machines because they copied the world's first electronic game, pong? Would you prefer that noone made a RTS after Dune II? Do you have any idea how identic things are?



Talking about copying is completely foolish in itself. In order for something new to survive, it must have an advantage.



We're talking evolution here. When something new and better arrives, it sets higher standards for the competition. No matter what happens, motion sensors will be part of the new standards in the console gaming industry. All the next-next-generation consoles would have had it anyway.



#41, Sony was hired by Nintendo to develop a Compact-Disc player and hardware enhancement for the SNES called the Playstation. But soon, Nintendo abandoned the project, and Sony were left with a half-finished console. Rather than scrapping the entire project(which had obviously cost them a lot of cash), they decided to keep working and soon released a complete stand-alone console.



Actually, PC gamepads and joysticks(Micro soft) were the first to develop most controller features, like vibration and the joystick itself(-->analog stick). What Sony did was making vibration a standard feature which everyone had.



When the next-next-gen computers and consoles arrive with Blu-Ray Roms and RW's, will you complain about them copying the PS3?



What I'm trying to convince you to stop saying that Sony are not copying the Wii remote. If my logics are not enough, I happen to have the link to the PS3 controller's motion sensors in the Patent list:



http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=JP11099284&F=0



As you see it was put there in 1999. It's a hard fact.

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# hell its competitionGuest 2006-05-20 02:42
Ok its not stealing if acer can make the same computer as dell just different name and color so Nintendo go fu*k a horse and you should get to learn the competition, Sony is richer, better and over all smarter, so nintendo cant face a simple damn controler... ... its a controler who cares its no big deal!!!!!!!



jrsschmitt@symp atico.ca

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# Oh brotherGuest 2006-05-20 03:05
You guys need to grow up!!!!



Sony is only one who is very mean and very ***** because they tell any companies not to development 2-D ?! Thats not their *****ing decision! And I am happy that it is very expensive and they wants our cash to go waste for this!



I am smarter and wiser to buy cheaper and worth system. I am moving on to Wii. Sony, go ***** yourself you ***** bastard!!!!!

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# Whiners.Guest 2006-05-20 03:44
THIS is why the companies are so secretive about stuff. More details get out, one SINGLE idiot within the company says something stupid about the competition, and the fanboys start frothing at the mouth and firing away at the whole company.



Look, fools. Motion sensing technology was around before it appeared in a (THIRD PARTY, NOT SONY'S DOING) Playstation controller. This is how we make progress. Someone comes up with a good idea, then someone else takes that idea and tries to make it better. It's called competition. If this sort of thing did not happen, we would all still be playing Pong on our Magnavox Odysseys.



And who gives a ***** anyway? The two controllers handle completely differently! You rotate the Dual Shock 3 to move ***** around on the PS3 and you swing the Wiimote around like a television remote to move ***** on the Wii! The PS3 seems to be better suited to something like flight combat games, while the Wiimote is better suited to baseball or swordfighting. The motion sensing seems to take a back seat on the PS3 to the original design, whereas on the Wii it's quite clearly the focus of the whole system. There will be different applications for each, and each will have great games the other won't.



So stop being whiny little fanboys. A real gamer wouldn't care about garbage like this and would focus on the games, not the system or arguing about who had motion sensing first.

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# liesGuest 2006-05-20 04:14
The controller wasn't even made by sony. Man you guys are idiots.

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# controlGuest 2006-05-20 04:38
OmG sony and nintendo stole Pelican 's idea...



Those bastards

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# God U guys truley don't get it....Guest 2006-05-20 05:49
nocomment

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# God U guys truley don't get it....Guest 2006-05-20 05:55
That kinda tech has been around for ages! We know! But nintendo was the first to CAPITALIZE on the gyroscope motion sensing tech!



PS3 saw the positive reaction from the wii's wiimote so they tossed it in to see the reaction they'd get from the people. Utter crap. They clearly put it in due to the loss of rumble.



They're reaction?



Rumble is so last-gen! Its all about watered down versions of motion sensing!!!!



YA dumb bastards sony..... u just lost the lawsuit. Dont bull***** us.





And PS. PS3's *****ed. It ahs the same power of the 360 from the demo's I played at E3. And for 200 extra. with games costin around 80 bucks! how quaint!



And I was saddly a PS2 fanboy a while back....

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# To: Shinko Itanashi and everyone elseGuest 2006-05-20 06:12
Just to clear something up. Wii's controller can do tilt sensing too, it does detect any kind of movement you make. So you could also make flight combat games.



The whole "problem" isn't the fact that Sony included a tilt sensor on the DS3; it's the fact that the intention to why they included it is so lame. Sony just wanted to hurt Nintendo by telling their fans that the DS3 has the same abilities as the Wii controller. Which many uninformed people could take as a fact. Sony doesn't know the definitions of honor and respect.



As for Microsoft. I just love that they're not losing their time by bashing or worrying about other consoles too much. That is why Microsoft will succeed with the 360. Sony will fall back to second or, dare I say, third place. Nintendo has a chance on regaining their throne IF they polish their technology and people are open to their new way of playing games.

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# CorrectionGuest 2006-05-20 06:31
Sorry, I meant Itansha.

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# suck itGuest 2006-05-20 06:38
stupid sony fan-lovemelongtime-boy-mother*****ers, read some background history before making dumbfounded comments whith your pre-adolescent blather. youd be suprised how much a little research and some common logic would get you.....but thena again what to expect from little kiddies who find it way cool to blow the crap out of things on screen ;)

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# StopGuest 2006-05-20 07:56
Calling the ps3 pad a dual shock it doesn't vibrate anymore. Anyway does anyone really care who copied who? Companies have been copying each other for years get over it already!

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# Nintendo + MS > SonyGuest 2006-05-20 07:56
Stolen from another forum

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Whos copying who?



One word.



"Powerglove".



Tech isnt all the same, however the basic idea was there, and as far as I know, Nintendo was the first to actually try and sell it.



Bah..



Like there should be any question here.

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# oh i remember that!Guest 2006-05-20 08:58
that video clip was from extended play (xplay) on zd tv which later became tech tv then was bought out by g4 and now it sux. But any way interesting but still before that nintendo used that same type of technology in game boy games.

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# You All Suck...Guest 2006-05-20 10:48
sony... Nintendo... Doesnt the games matter!? If one console is more fun to play than the other, I'd go for the one of the fun factor.



I'm both a Sony and Nintendo (not Microsoft though) fanboy, so I'm not picking any side. I'm just hear to say HUT THE ***** UP! Instead of insulting with bad internet grammer showing yiou truely have no *****ing life than to make others feel as though they should put put a bullet in their heads, though most probably should.



The truth is there was no copying. Sure, Nintendo had the pointer like function, but didnt reveal that the Numchuck has motion sensor until this E3, thus it was more of a turn of event. What next? Are the Nintendo fans gonna say that Sony copied DVD players or Gaming for being a game console developer? Or will Sony fans start flaming about Nintendo Wii having DVD player options?



We can keep arguing about who stole what, but why the ***** do so? No the facts and dont feel like you have to whipe the companies' asses, as they can do so themselves. If they havent yet, obviously they dont want to!



Now, how about you all stop *****ing *****ing and just choose the console you like best and not try to put the other company down.

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# ummsoapinmouth 2006-05-20 12:29
lol im not a fanboy to anything yea gears of war n halo looks hot but how does mgs4 look boring?? thats the most xbox fanboy comment ive ever heard lol



I own an xbox, ps1, and a ps2, I have plaed mgs its nothing great.

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# Wii cannot be compared to PS3Guest 2006-05-20 14:44
Oh come on what are you all figthing for. Certainly the Wii has a awesome and interesting controller. Its true it surpasses ps3's controller. But are you able to play Wii in the same graphics as the PS3? Does Wii has a blu ray player or something like that? conclusion: Wii is just a complement to the other consoles. People who want to have fun by moving around a controller will pick up the Wii. People who want high quality excellent gaming will either pick a ps3 or a 360. Hell stop fighting and just buy them all! This fights ocur because people can't get them all and fight about how theirs is the best to try and feel they've bought the right machine. Don't fight just enjoy. Don't hate and be friends. This is why real wars ocur because people want to prove something better and just can't get along.

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# Guest 2006-05-20 14:47
yeah..nice analogy..This whole thing is pointless. Both consoles are going in different directions..There isn't anything to compare.

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# to 34Guest 2006-05-20 14:48
wow your full of SH*T, you messed up in your delusion

heres how

1a) Nintendo treated any third party developer/comp like crap since the NES day, guess what third party developers did to make games? they hacked the NES.

1b) On the SNES nintendo let them make games but took over on all says and treated them like crap.

1c) they wanted to battle sega saturan, made a deal with sony and while everything was contracted found someone to do it cheaper and broke the contract, thus Playstion was born. If this didnt happen guess what? Thrid party devs would still be treated like crap.

2) Yes both of them are arrogant bast**ds, but Nintendo has done the most damage, nostalgia aside, their evil doings are on par with M$'s faulty software and hardware.

3)Wii is geared to general non gaming populace while ps3 is for gamers, 360 americanized gamers that like thier american pride and to shoot things.



My two cents.

Nintendo is trying to redeem itself by doing 3, sony is pushing new hardware to give people the most in the future, they always have. Beta-max? quality was gorgeous for magnetic tape mediums, badly named, lost to lower quality vhs. UMD's? great idea, wrong medium. Should ahve been geared towards music and made more periphs to go with it (would have solved music pirating pretty well for a bit), DVD's? Success, eccellerated the immersion rate enormously. Blu-ray? 25-50gb disc, content value is astounding, porn industry is swearing by it, same with alot of major motion picture companies(major ity of them i may add). I love nintendos wii concept but i also see alot more limitations to the gaming experience than conventional controlers right now. Give me a wii and some VR with some better variaty;and ill cream my pants. But for now without VR im getting me a ps3, i want my variaty, and my brew of coffee(the style of games i like). No matter the price, and yes im poor but ill live... thats what ramen is for mofo's

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# You all need to shut the ***** upGuest 2006-05-20 16:33
Everyone copies each other.

For example, who was the first to have the 3 screen level brightness on thier handheld??

SONY!

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# oh oh copyGuest 2006-05-20 17:28
oh how bout the game gear with its analog brightness control? dont forget where it was originally copied from

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# What's copied?Guest 2006-05-20 18:33
They have a remote and sony has a controller

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# PSP touchscreenGuest 2006-05-20 19:21
when the new PSP2 comes out with touchscreen, then what do sony useless fanboy tools have to say?



First you fanboys say its gimmicky! now look, DS is straight whoopin that ass.



now look at Wii's controller. Almost every sony and MS fanboy said its gimmicky! now look. Sony just had to implement some kind of inferior motion detection from Pelican.



Rumble. shoulder buttons, analog, motion detection, and eventually TOUCHSCREEN for their next portable. Why do fanboys insist on defending Sony? Why? they're not paying you $hit. You're paying them.



The proof is there. Just stop and enjoy the games for phucks sake! Don't even think about defending SONY when the touchscreen is announced down the line.

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# Motion SensoringGuest 2006-05-20 22:00
You're all fools...You think Nintendo copied?Lol let me show you the time line of motion sensoring for Nintendo..



It all started in 1989..YES FREGIN 1989!!!With the NES power glove!!!!



Than of course...Kirby Tilt and Tumble in like 1994 for the GBC!!YES FREGIN 1994!!!



Than Warioware Twisted on the Gba which was when?2004??



2005 is the Wiis turn...



Who copied who now???????PUNKS!!!Microso ft so copied the power glove and GBC...Get your facts straight QJ.NET!!!

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# correctionGuest 2006-05-20 23:48
it started with the atari's motion sensoring controler for the 2600, so nintendo doesnt have sh** to dreams. They took it off of atari. So how bout you get your facts straight as well. Nintendo copied Atari, Nintendo implemented it with wii, people said the boomerang controler sucked, sony went back to the ds design, modded it, people liked the wiiremote enough for sony to hear enough people thinking it would work so they took the original concept for the ps2 controller and put in the motion sensor. is it so much copying or is it really sony listening to your whinny as**s to try and give you what you want while pushing new hardware formats?

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# Nothing is copiedGuest 2006-05-21 01:00
Like the poster before me said, motion sensoring is a very old technique and was available for Atary 20 Years ago the first time. Nintendo´s Wiimote is really a lot way different than simple Motion Sensoring so Nin really invented a brand new controller technique. Sony hasn´t copied anything from Nin because the new PS3 Controller has more of the Sidewinder from MS than from the Wiimote. Wiimote is more like a pointing device with motion sensoring, it´s a lot more precise and it´s like a touchpad thing without touching the Screen. It´s a little bit like Nin wanted take the feature from the Nin DS handheld and develop it further for a real Console so that gaming is more intuitive.

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# Sony are the copyersGuest 2006-05-21 06:21
now how can you look at the wiimote and say it looks like tiltforce 2? nintendo anounce their controler before sony but the wiimote looks like tiltforce 2? duelshock 3 (is that the name?) on the other hand had the idea right infrount of there noses but they dicieded to leave the 3rd partys to themselfs, until now, now that they hear about the wiimote, there scared that they will lose pertential buyers, so they need an idea that will atract new gamers but at the same time, no one can call them copy cats, so they look back and copy the idea off pelican, tell me its not true, but it is

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# Sessler's hilariousGuest 2006-05-21 07:59
I can't believe Adam Sessler was a bigger loser before with that bizarre hairdo.

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# Umm...Guest 2006-05-21 08:50
Doesn't the Wii have a DVD player in it? If no, oh well. But M$ still copied that off of Sony.

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# NO one is copying nayone...Guest 2006-05-21 10:29
both controllers are using different technology...

both sense motion in different ways... and who knows... maybe sony did have the idea of motion sensing from the begining :/

correct me if im wrong... But doesnt the ps3 controller only senses tilts, up and down and side to side motions?

But the Wii mote senses up down, left right (rotations), foward and back movements, and side to side? basicly ever possible dimensions? sensing the distance from the console? Meh havent been paying attention to the info on the consoles so I'm probably wrong

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# innovationGuest 2006-05-21 11:03
Copy copy copy, I don't give a crap about copies, almost EVERYTHING is a copy nowadays, innovation is so rare that it fscking rocks when it show's it'self. What i really hate is when a company like Sony, who's tried to take the floor out from nintendo ever since it came out with the PS1, senses it's rapid decline and decides to capitalize on another's ideas. Namely, the Wii-mote.



The wii-mote is almost total innovation, sure it uses god-knows-how-old motion sensing technology that was almost certainly not Ninty's idea, but it uses it in a way that was never before seen on any console. It's not a crappy tilt function that tries to mimic an analog stick, it's a full blown all sensing device that, combined with the infrared sensor, can sense every movement and position of the remote in a 3d space! This is VR technology finally in a home gaming console, I for one have been waiting for something similar to this ever since i first touched a controller.



Tilt functions have been around for almost as long as consoles have, but the Wii takes it farther than ever before they really didn't copy anyone, sure, the technology may be the same, but it's utilized in a way never before seen, and that in my book, makes it super.



PS: The same tilt sensing idea that was present in the ps1 controller by pelican was present in a n64 perhiphrial that combined it with a rumble pack, made by a 3rd company, exact date and company i don't know, i remember it from an old Tips and Tricks magazine.



PPS: If im a fanboy, the most I am is an m$ hater, i now own almost all the main systems created to this day including all sega , ninty, and sony systems, including psp, ds, all forms of Gameboy, CDX, gamegear, 32x, and atari, the only reason i don't have an xbox is that there arent that many games for it i'd want to shell out the cash for that i can't already play on some other system, and i dont call 5+ games a reason to buy a system.

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# PSPlanetGuest 2006-05-21 12:31
http://ps-planet.net

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# HeheeGuest 2006-05-21 13:09
Wow thas ALOT of Posts!



Im pleased $ony stuck with the Dual Shock Design and added L2 + R2 trigger ITS BETTER THAN THE BATRANG!

And as much as I like the Wii I have to face it the Dual shock 3 will be geat for games, much like the other daul shocks before it. $ony has realised that their controller is well known and recognised, but needed some adjustment and improvements. THe gyro however, dosent seem like the selling point, unlikie the Wii, which is completley based around its revonlutionary controller.



Im not attacking the Wii mote but, I have to admit though for certain types of games the Wii-mote would be shocking, and I much rather a DS3.



The Wii's design perfectly suits certain games, but also limits itself, $ony has played it safe, and fixed up their controller and added the gyro, which seems to be more or less another controll option, and $ony admits its not trying to be innovative and out there like the Wii.



'Sigh' im sick of hearing the Nintendo's innovative and Sonys not argument. Get over it. I will be buyin g a Wii and a PS3, and you have to realise that these consoles are EXTREMLY different, and you just cant start waving your arms about flaming one of them, unless you hold a personal vendetta against $ony or Nintendo :D

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# Copying?Guest 2006-05-22 06:44
I really don't think that Sony is copying Nintendo. I don't hate Nintendo, nor do I hate Sony, I own a DS and PSP. But look at the Eyetoy for PS2! That's similar to a motion-sensing controller, so it's very possible that Sony has had this idea on the table for awhile.

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# lol copyingGuest 2006-05-22 10:20
BTW all the cntroller with a motion and analog is a middle of a n64 controller other ***** is tv controller who is copying now :o

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# LOOKGuest 2006-05-25 01:20
HOW THE HELL CAN YOU SAY THAT SONY CANT THINK UP OF ANYTHING BETTER THAN NINTENDO?



DUDE, NINTENDO ARE EVEN WORSE THAN MICROSOFT AND SONY ARE BETTER THAN MICROSOFA NO DOUBT, HC OUTPUT AND BLUE-RAY READER. PS3 IS A BARGAIN



DONT JUST BE A PRICK AND SAY ITS BETTER BECAUSE YOU LIKE IT BETTER. JUST READ THIS IS THINK ABOUT IT, ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT IT. DONT JUST SAY SHUT UP, JUST THINK ABOUT IT





Xbox 360:



20gb

ethernet cable

wireless controller

HD Output

17 times more powerfull than the PS2



all for £279 (amazon)



PS3:



60gb (3 times xbox)

wireless controller

WIFI (Xbox dont have it)(hahahahaha)

HD Output

Blue-Ray

35 times more powerfull than the PS2



all for £425



Ok, Now The PS3 is x2 more powerfull thank Xbox, so that should be double price which is £558



Ok, NOW SUCK ON THIS, THATS MORE THAN THE PS3 PLUS THE PS3 HAS WIRELESS INTERNET AND IT HAS 3 TIMES MORE MEM STORAGE AND PS3 HAS BLUE-RAY DVD READER WHICH COSTS £600 ANYWAY



AND YOU MAY BE THINKING WHY I AM COMPAIRING IT TO XBOX, ITS BECAUSE XBOX IS BETTER THAN NINTENDO.



SUCK ON IT

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# You are wrongGuest 2006-05-25 05:55
Listen without nintendo there would beno sony so stop saying they suck. Oh and xbox is not better your opinion. Bsides the LIIIIIIISSSTEN YOU FANBOOYS WHO THINK SONY IS SO GREAT. Look at the wavebird it wasnt the 1st wirelles controller but it was the first non crappy 1 its the same with the wii. Withou nintendo there would be no sony or microsoft weel at least no gaming consoles from them. And about 3rd mistretmen at least they dont bribe them like micrsoft. Stil you have to admeiit thay this is cheap. So stop you gay sony fanboys and admit that theyre idea came from nitendo already dorks.

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# Plagarisum 3 really.....Guest 2006-05-26 00:51
PS3 is all plagarisum, dont matter about controllers. What about hard drive? (xbox idea), online (xbox live anyone), realistic graphics games, its all a joke so all of you get over it, the winning machine will show in sales, so as both Microsoft and Sony have said the Nintendo would be a great second console, you do the math.

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# PfffffffGuest 2006-05-26 05:23
Internet is filled of stupid 14 yr old kiddies that think that after reading 4 lines they know everything. Don't brag and spit words without knowing what are you talking about... for example:



- "Sony copied the Nintendo motion sensor...."

- "But Sony has the sensor patented from 1999"

- "In the PS3 you'll have a web browser and blablabla compatibility with PSP, and Nintendo don't offer this things..."



Patetic. Sony didn't stole anything... they're different systems, different kind of sensors (Sony -> 6 directions; Nintendo -> 3D). Nintendo have the Opera Browser for DS and Wii.



And you better go to school, you're losing too much neurons spitting no-senses.

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# blabla you talking smackGuest 2006-05-27 07:12
hahaah everyone thinks they know everything dont they..

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# no rumbleGuest 2006-05-28 06:00
if theres no dual shock why is the ps3 controller still called dual shock 3

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# dual shock 3snake1462 2006-05-28 14:22
its not really called that, its just been dubbed with the name for now

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# wii then ps3Guest 2006-05-28 19:13
well to be honest, for the first time im actually going with nintendo this round of gaming counsels. i am doing this because of the gameplay will be so much better, i dont care about graphics and if it can heat my entire house, its the gameplay and use of controllers that will get me to have fun, n ill be able to afford it now. then eventually, after a while ill pry get a ps3, itll be a few more years at least tho cause i think bluray wont be everywhere real soon seems how its so expensive right now, i like to let the new technology simmer down to half price ;)

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# whos copying who nowGuest 2006-05-29 09:20
think about it. Sony was the first company to put a DVD player inside a Console, and then microsoft did the same thing, but you had 2 pay for it. Now, Nintendo, in a totally original move which they cant have got elsewhere is putting a DVD player inside their console. Yeah, thats not copying. Also, sony announced ages ago that the PS3 would contain a next generation video format, and now, 6 months after release Microsoft is releasing their own format, again in a crappy way as you have to buy it.



Sure Sony have taken ideas from other companies, but dont forget that they in turn have taken from other places. heck without companies taken ideas from others, the gaming industry would never get anywhere (eg FPS games would have to be made by the same company who created them in the 1st place) companies always take other ideas, but add to them in their own way to make them unique.



personally, i cant wait to get my hands on the PS3 and play games such as warhawk using the tilt sensing. It could get annoying with the Wii if every game uses the sensing technology.



Also, on that point y would u need to put emulated games on the system Nintendo? afraid that the games you got for your console aint gonna b good enough

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# It's ironicGuest 2006-05-31 15:26
This statement is ironic

"Would you say that they should never have made the arcade machines because they copied the world's first electronic game, pong?"

because in context to of what is being discussed, pong actually copied someone else's idea and had a law suit filed against them and they were forced to pay royalties... Haha, man the irony is palpable.

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# Ahem...Guest 2006-06-01 02:29
Wow, so much flaming, ignorance, and pointless arguing.







POWER GLOVE, anyone...?

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# you idiotsGuest 2006-06-04 23:54
Hahahaaha, you guys crack me up.



Guess what Sony fanboys, that wasn't true motion-tracking/sensing. it was tilt-sensing. There was a basic gyro system inside it, the actual position of the controller was impossible for the playstation to know. the capeabilities of this are similar to a 'spirit level' device that measures what angle something is on or how straight it's sides are. it uses gravity to guage this measurement and is therefore a stone-age technology.



Nintendo are using something more akin to what motion capture animation systems work with, using actual X Y Z coordinates, with the added inclusion of a gyro (they renamed it accelerometer). The Wiimote is innovative and far outdoes the Sony gaystation 3 monstrosity.

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# In your face Nintendo.Guest 2006-06-05 11:10
Sony rocks!

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# The first motion controllerMauro 2010-05-31 15:29
The FIRST motion sensor controller is the POWER GLOVE and born in 1980 ok???

Sony sucks

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# Sony Paid them to write this LOLSrsbsns 2010-07-01 13:31
Nes had a motion sensor control that wasnt so successfull, Atari had one before that, considering the current release of sony and microsoft games, i'd say they're copying nintendo down to their main games. Sony and Microsoft are for those fatasses that chill and play MW2 all day, Wii you can actually get people who dont play many games, and actually have fun. Wii has indeed led to sex many times. sorry but i'm a fanboy of that outcome, i dunno about you guys

They've all copied each other at one point, but thats because of the fanboys of each system keeps bitching and complaining, why cant they just play the games and shut up. i personally grew up with mario and i intend to stick with it, though i have a 360 and ps3.

TL;DR version = Haters Gon Hate, Bitchs Gon Bitch, just walk away and move on with your shit. Werd

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# Oh sure....Matt Vargas 2010-07-02 09:52
They copied 4-player, 3d camera games (Super Mario 64), motion control, rumble feature, what's next? Let me give you a clue, ACTUAL 3D from coping 3DS!!

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# lol looklooooooool 2011-07-20 17:29
2 words....
power glove




motion controlling in the 80s

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