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Let the Console Wars Begin

Posted Jul 24, 2006 at 8:25PM EST by QJ Staff

Listed in: Wii, PS3, Xbox 360 Tags: David Cole, DFC Intelligence, Microsoft, PS2, Sony

For some years, Sony has been the reigning leader in the video game realm. The release of its PS1 and PS2 consoles have become big hits in the market, easily giving Sony the upper hand in the competition. Up to this year, the PS2 is still selling like pancakes, bagging in more revenues than its other competitors. According to David Cole of DFC Intelligence, Sony is pretty much in control of the gaming market.

Unless it makes a wrong turn, that is.

Apparently, Cole thinks so, "Microsoft and Nintendo had to hope Sony fumbled or significantly changed its strategy so that they could get an opportunity to capture some of that PS2 audience. Now it is clear Sony is handing its competitors a golden opportunity."

Surely, Nintendo and Microsoft are girding their loins for an attack of opportunity. The Wii and Xbox 360 are like their own versions of weapons of mass destruction, both levelled against the much-awaited release of Sony's PS3. In this clash of gaming titans, Cole predicts that Nintendo would come in first.

Since the 1980s, sales of Nintendo consoles had declined. In the previous generation, a bulk of market gaming share went to Sony PlayStation 2. However, now's the time for Nintendo to attract not just its fanbase, but to mass consumers as well. "By letting Sony and Microsoft split the hard-core teenage/twenty something videogame marketplace, the Wii could end up number one in market share for the next generation."

Microsoft's Xbox also has the chance to become the leader in the gaming industry, but it may be too focused on breaking in to casual gamer's tastes. The production of portable games and other casual games may take Microsoft's attention off the Xbox, disrupting its opportunity for gaming domination.

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Sadly, Cole says that Sony PS3 may come in third. With it's price tag at $600, it seems that Microsoft and Nintendo are gaining on battle advantage. Cole also adds that the PS3 is not conducive to the mass market video game audience, giving the Wii and the XBox 360 a better opportunity to attract more consumers. Sony has high hopes for this console. Its Chief Executive Ken Kutaragi says that the PS3 is not merely a game console, but more like a computer slash home entertainment system. If you're looking in a long-term run, the PS3 is is cheap for all the features it offers. Here's the breakdown of a home entertainment system:

High-definition television: $2,500
Stereo Receiver: $600
Speakers: $1,200
Cables: $400
Installation and Calibration: $1,000
Movie/CD/Game Player: $600

At $600 for the PS3, it's liking getting more for less. As it is almost like a computer, you get to update its parts regularly and be at par with the latest technology available. The problem with this, is that it keeps getting more costly to maintain. Kutaragi says
that since PS3 is a computer there are no 'models' but configurations. We'll want to upgrade the hard drive size very soon. If new standards appear on the PC, we will want to support them. We may want the Blu-ray drive to write. In the PC business, if you fix the spec for two years you'll be caught by competitors. Computers should be changing, right? It's inevitable that 60GB hard drive will become too small, and memory may become too small as well.

Thing is, in the gaming industry, the prices of the consoles keep going down. As good as it sounds, this idea seems to be more elitist, than most gaming consoles are presented. The PS3 is an utterly cool device, no doubt. But the big question is, "Will you be willing to buy this product?" It seems that most consumers aren't. According to Cole:

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"Consumers in much of Europe (and North America as well) simply aren't ready for that type of expenditure and success for Sony will require that 1) they can keep the PlayStation 2 business alive and slow consumer adoption of new systems and 2) they can make the price more affordable. We believe that under the best case scenario the PlayStation 3 has a much lower installed base than the PlayStation 2. Under the worst case scenario the bottom falls out for Sony's market share. Its new approach seems to be to position its products as luxury items, epitomized by a recent ad in a French high fashion magazine which features a PSP dripping with diamonds."

So is this a losing fight for Sony? Unless it changes its tactics, Cole predicts that it might be so. But hey, the console wars had barely began. There's nothing we could do but sit back, wait and hope that the consumers will really emerge as the victor in this console war.

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This guy is saying some truth to this. However, Sony isn't the top dog of the gaming industry for nothing. They pull off victory after victory every gaming generation. For example, the PS1 and PS2. They were both more expensive than their competition and they still won each generation. People just love Playstation for what it brings every generation. They always bring the latest hardware to the table. EX. the PS1 had CDs, the PS2 had DVDs and now the PS3 has Blu- Ray. The Playstation has more than the competitors. A large gaming library and a 100 million plus fan base. I think the PS3 will win again this generation. This guy can just predict who will win because of the price. However, there are a lot of loyal Sony fans out there who will buy the system for games and others for HD movies on Blu-Ray. Especially as the price drops or even at the current price. The PS3 will draw in more people because of the price as a cheap Blu-Ray player and it could play games. Analysts could say all they want and predict all they want, which is only about the price, but they are underestimating Sony and I predict those same analysts will be eating their words this holiday season.

# It is without a doubt in my mind... — Guest 2006-07-24 23:26

Fanboys can cry out all they want about how great Sony's newest system is. They just need to understand the fact that the Nintendo Wii will dominate the gaming world... if only at first. With its revolutionary outlook on gaming its a win-win situation for Nintendo.

So what does Sony have to look forward to? Blu-Ray and price drops. Thats it in a hand-bag. If Blu-Ray does in fact take off like they hope, Sony will be standing tall. And as soon as they price their system within the price-range of average gamers, they will start selling a lot more.

Right now the Xbox 360 dominates the next-gen for obvious reasons, but the Nintendo Wii will sky-rocket because of how cheap it will be and how REVOLUTIONARY it really is!

Thank you Nintendo for changing gaming!

# nooooooooooo — Guest 2006-07-24 23:26

ps3= blu ray player first then gaming machine

# you know what? — comedy 2006-07-24 23:43

you can't buy a tv for $600 nowadays... think about it, although wii could be really cheap or 360 is cheaper than ps3, ps3 does offer enough to justify the price tag.

the worry for analysts and sony is that not enough people have 600 dollar to spend.

you can't call other people fanboys and then mouth off about how 'REVOLUTIONARY' the wii is, you're being a hypocrite.

personally i want both wii and ps3, i don't want either to fail in the 'war' of consoles, as then my system won't get any more games, just look at current gen owners, unless you have a ps2 things have all but died (other than twilight princess)... the time will come when people HAVE to decide, they won't want a system which is no longer the big thing, they won't want to have no more new games, and as such they are going to be forced into choosing.

and at that point, for those who feel they can justify a 600 dollar spend, ps3 will probs win out.

have the analysts considered the strength of sony's dev. teams, and their 3rd party support?

one more thing, there are some devs out there who say 'making games for ps3 will be well expensive...' and then othes who say 'making games for ps3 isn't actually as much as you might think...' . and i am inclined to believe the latter, as they are clearly not just conjecturing.

so there.

# blah — Guest 2006-07-25 00:07

I dont see how anyone cares yet seeing as how the 360 is the only one out yet, i really dont see we have to start choosing yet. Why dont we wait till at least the ps3 comes out then officially start the console war.

# It's on baby — Guest 2006-07-25 00:26

Hahahaha!!1 xbox fanboys! Suddenly nothing about situation in Japan! Wonder how many consoles M$ has sold there? Hmm, maybe 3. Scared rats trying to defend the M$ failure of a console.

# Both the WII & XBOX 360 Suck — Guest 2006-07-25 00:27

Why is everyone saying they will get a wii?! I don't understand it. What does the wii bring to gaming?! Nintendo games suck, who cares about Zelda, I'm a grown a$$ man. I haven't played Mario in like 3 years. Honestly, if I work an eight hour day I'm not trying to come home and stand in front of my TV with a stupid looking controller. Honestly, playing all of your games for hours standing up will get old fast. Xbox is an okay system but it doesn't compete to the PS3. Consider what you have to add to a 360 to make it apples to apples with a PS3:

HDDVD - $150

Cooling Fan - $30

Online - $50 (a year)

Hard drive 40 more GB's - $200

Games that I care about - 2 - 4 years

I sometimes look online to see what 360 offers as far as games and for the most part they suck. I don't care about Halo. I like shooters but not sci-fi shooters, which adds Prey to that list of stupid games. Consider good XBox exclusives vs. PS3 exclusives

360 - Gears of War, GRAW, Halo (if you like that game)

PS3 - Killzone 2, Heavenly Sword, Tekken, MGS4, Assassins Creed, God of War, Devil May Cry 4, Warhawk and many more.

Keep in mind that games are going to get larger in the future I can see 360 games having like 3 disc and PS3 still with only one.

# huh? — Guest 2006-07-25 00:27

"you can't buy a tv for $600 nowadays"

are you kidding? what fantasy world do you live on?

# David Cole (Stupid) — Guest 2006-07-25 00:27

It is still to early to make up choices of the next gen war. I am fed up of analysts "guessing" who will win and obviously they all pick Wii. Just because it's "new" and cheap. I understand how it is good but I don't really see the point of it. I think PS3 will have a small launch but then when people see other people having PS3s then it will increase. Same with PS2.

Xbox 360, i don't know what to say. I am not interested in this console, shame, I know!

# Anyone who spends — Guest 2006-07-25 01:03

$1000 on 'installation and calibration' can save some money by paying someone with half a brain to do it for $25, then paying me the bargain price of $475 to come round and kick some sense into their nonsensical head.

# "selling like pancakes" ?? — Vipre77 2006-07-25 01:28

I'm guessing English is not your first language? The expression is "selling like hotcakes." Hotcakes = pancakes, so I can see where it would get messed up in translation.

# come on man. — Guest 2006-07-25 01:46

. » Both the WII & XBOX 360 Suck

Why is everyone saying they will get a wii?! I don't understand it. What does the wii bring to gaming?! Nintendo games suck, who cares about Zelda, I'm a grown a$$ man. I haven't played Mario in like 3 years. Honestly, if I work an eight hour day I'm not trying to come home and stand in front of my TV with a stupid looking controller. Honestly, playing all of your games for hours standing up will get old fast. Xbox is an okay system but it doesn't compete to the PS3. Consider what you have to add to a 360 to make it apples to apples with a PS3:

HDDVD - $150

Cooling Fan - $30

Online - $50 (a year)

Hard drive 40 more GB's - $200

Games that I care about - 2 - 4 years

I sometimes look online to see what 360 offers as far as games and for the most part they suck. I don't care about Halo. I like shooters but not sci-fi shooters, which adds Prey to that list of stupid games. Consider good XBox exclusives vs. PS3 exclusives

360 - Gears of War, GRAW, Halo (if you like that game)

PS3 - Killzone 2, Heavenly Sword, Tekken, MGS4, Assassins Creed, God of War, Devil May Cry 4, Warhawk and many more.

Keep in mind that games are going to get larger in the future I can see 360 games having like 3 disc and PS3 still with only one.

Its hard to take what you wrote seroiusly because of how bias it is. Whenever you make a point about either system its in relation to what the PS3 offers.

Every console has its advantages. But it think nearly everybody can confirm that Mircosoft is great because of LIVE. I dont mind paying 5 euros a month for what LIVE offers.

Now hopefully PS3 can deliver online but we will have to wait and see. Nintendo has friend codes (BLAH) but still have awesome awesome games.

PS3 is going to be great just the online will swing it for me.

MS is also lauching LIVE anywhere so 360 and PC gamers can play together meaning more people which should hopefully mean faster connection times (setting up) and alot more people on LIVE.

Sony are really gunna have to push blu-ray because DVD games are going to be fine for awhile. play Oblivion and tell me that it isnt big enough. Both in quests/ content and detail.

Saying all that I did see a trailer for assasins creed and it looked HOT!

O and Dead rising is 360 only and that looks sweet

# i piss on the ps3 — Guest 2006-07-25 01:57

the problem is R Kelly is the only one who can afford it... Wii isnt amazing but it could have great games..it will sell if the price stays low....the 360 is a great platform at a great price and by the time the ps3 comes out microsoft is in a position to lower the price making the ps3 look even worse...sony fanboys can biittcchh and moan all they want but the fact is Blu Ray is killing the ps3 not helping it. if you think a machine of that cost can be successful look at 3do,Neo-Geo,cd-i,jaguar. All these were great systems but they cost over a hundred dollars more then the competition. They offered performance that was well above the sega genesis and super nes but poeople didnt want to pay that much because it wasnt worth it.. i know sony has a long list of devs on their side but it will be awhile before anything decent comes out and by then the 360 and the wii will already be looking better to the consumers.

# fine — CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS 2006-07-25 02:05

It just means I get one on launch day.

# Considering how flawed DFC's article has been claimed to be — TheProfessor 2006-07-25 02:27

I wouldn't be too worried. There are many more analysis that predict the PS3 will shatter the competition than there are guys like this.

Either way this guy is obsess with the price and cannot see past it. Even forgets about the 499 version. Price is his only argument, just see how he placed them in the market:

1. Wii (~249)

2. 360 (399)

3. PS3 (599)

His argument, It wont sell cause it's too expensive. And then assumes it will never lower in price. The PSP with more than twice the price of a DS and a poor library has managed to beat the DS in the United States just because it has the playstation named attached to it. When it comes to the PS3 however, Sony has it at it's highest priority thefore you can expect a great library along with the plethora of functionality.

Too many people are judging the PS3 with the PSP. They think since the DS dominated japan's handheld market it will do so with the Wii. This assumption is a huge gamble. The PSP was a way for companies to make some cash without a huge investment by just releasing PS2 ports. However this is now changing and we are seeing some great software coming out to the little handheld that could. For the PS3 there are no ports and you simply can't compare the handheld market (a much younger audience but sony is changing that) to the console market which has a much older fanbase. And please don't out with your old people play DS. Yes Soduko and brain training is an almighty fad currently and things like brain age have capitalize on that but like all similar fads, people tire of them quickly and move along.

# What's with the Fanboys — Guest 2006-07-25 02:36

What gets me is that there are so many Nintendo & MS fanboys flaming on this site. I guess they can't find any news on their respective systems of choice, so they feel the need to come here and bash the PS3. But if the Wii and 360 are so great, then why are you always here. Nobody is asking you to buy a PS3, and nobody cares to hear your inane, fanboy drivel. So take it somewhere else, where other 12 year olds can cheer you on and give you "props" for your moronic banter.

# Both the WII & XBOX 360 Suck pt.2 — Guest 2006-07-25 02:49

Some guy wrote:

"Its hard to take what you wrote seroiusly because of how bias it is. Whenever you make a point about either system its in relation to what the PS3 offers.

Every console has its advantages. But it think nearly everybody can confirm that Mircosoft is great because of LIVE. I dont mind paying 5 euros a month for what LIVE offers.

Now hopefully PS3 can deliver online but we will have to wait and see. Nintendo has friend codes (BLAH) but still have awesome awesome games."

Dead Rising looks like it will get old fast. Don't forget you said:

"Whenever you make a point about either system its in relation to what the PS3 offers. "

Dude, this is a PS3 Forum! Once again, wii games suck. I don't even think they show blood. We all remember the toned down Mortal Combat from Nintendo (green blood). If you like Pokemon and Disney the wii is for you. If you like next gen graphics and a great game offering look into PS3. If you like a crappy box that overheats all the time you should get an XBox 360.

P.S. Oblivion is coming to PS3, although it looks stupid too.

Holla back

# audience — Guest 2006-07-25 02:51

first off... the older generations that play video games are not going to play the wii because nintendo targets the younger kids with what its offering.. plus who wants to spend money buying original nes, snes, and n64 games when there have been emulators out for them since like years and years ago.

also, as the ds was such a hit in japan... the psp was a major hit in the us and as it has so many functions that work with the ps3, it will look even more attractive later. imagine people downloading movies, storing them on the ps3, and then just quickly picking one to take on a quick business trip or something for their psp.

lastly, in my oppinion, the people in the ps crowd that bought a 360 have had in my oppinion enough time in between to still consider owning both. had ps3 come out in the spring like predicted, then the analysts would be more correct

# go professor — Guest 2006-07-25 02:59

but I just got this crazy idea.

What if nintendo pulls a PS3 and announce Wii for price of $300~

Won't everyone just go buy PS3?

I mean, the most important part of Wiimote, FPS compatibility friggin sucked.

END GAME

# Well... — Guest 2006-07-25 03:18

"Dude, this is a PS3 Forum!"

This comment section is on all the console blogs, sorry for you to be wrong there.

"Once again, wii games suck. I don't even think they show blood. We all remember the toned down Mortal Combat from Nintendo (green blood). "

Whilst blood hardly makes a game, one of the few games shown for the Wii (Red Steel) already has blood, and the green blood MK was for the Genesis, though the SNES MK1 had no blood to speak of, green or red.

The SNES sequel however, had blood to spare.

"If you like Pokemon and Disney the wii is for you. If you like next gen graphics and a great game offering look into PS3. If you like a crappy box that overheats all the time you should get an XBox 360. "

Pokemon is obviously only going to appear on the Wii, and from the sales figures, many people DO like it. Plus, it's hard to say which PS3 (or Wii, for that matter) games will be 'great', considering that you haven't played any complete ones.

Feel free to defend the PS3, god knows it needs people on it's side on the internet, but do it in a way that makes a bit more sense.

# again... — Guest 2006-07-25 03:25

"first off... the older generations that play video games are not going to play the wii because nintendo targets the younger kids with what its offering.."

This is a popular misconception. People misconstrue game after game of formulaic gang violence as 'aimed at an adult audience', when it's clearly the younger end of the adult market (and teenagers) who these are aimed at. Nintendo avoids targeting just one age demographic, and at the same time creates games that could in theory appeal to any, though not all do. As a mid-20s adult, I can definitely confirm that Nintendo's upcoming output has a lot more to get me excited than graphical upgrades to existing games.

"plus who wants to spend money buying original nes, snes, and n64 games when there have been emulators out for them since like years and years ago. "

Nintendo are great at selling the public the same thing again and again, but the fact is that most of the mainstream don't use emulators, they're mainly a geek phenomenon. So yes, they've been around for years, but not for everyone.

"also, as the ds was such a hit in japan... the psp was a major hit in the us and as it has so many functions that work with the ps3, it will look even more attractive later. imagine people downloading movies, storing them on the ps3, and then just quickly picking one to take on a quick business trip or something for their psp. "

PSP wasn't as major a hit as the DS though, despite the multimedia functions. Although, a decent multi file format video player might change that a little.

"lastly, in my oppinion, the people in the ps crowd that bought a 360 have had in my oppinion enough time in between to still consider owning both. had ps3 come out in the spring like predicted, then the analysts would be more correct"

Owning both the 360 and the PS3 isn't something many people see as an option, purely because of the overlap in games. Even Sony and MS have openly confirmed that they don't believe people owning both will be any significant portion of the market.

# ps3 & 360 — Guest 2006-07-25 04:10

Well I 'll be ownign both. I allready have a 360 becouse I was tired waiting for ps3, my mistake. But I think I will be selling my 360 when I get my PS3. I have my 360 from a moth after the launch and played maybe 2 months on it. The games really don 't interest me. I play more on my psp. I still play almost every day on my psp.

And games like oblivion and halo don 't interest me.

PGR 3 was even more boring then gt4, and I found that game boring.

# Let's see — SteveTao 2006-07-25 04:25

If graphics is not that important and only gameplay is important, then clearly, ATI and Nvidia would have been out of business by now, because as all Nintendo fanboys think, "No one cares about graphics." The only odd thing is that every month, thousands of people go out and buy a new video card for thier computer just to play the newest game and have the best graphics. So, yeah, Sure, fanboys, graphics doesn't mean *****.

# To the Wii Fans — Guest 2006-07-25 04:30

Picture this:

Your in your mid 20's and 6'2, 200+ pounds. You own your house. However, your standing in front of your tv playing Pokemon tennis. Your playing a track game running in the middle of the house. You’re hiding behind the sofa while playing a shooter.

I don’t know what everyone else thinks but grown ups look like idiots playing this thing.

# Sony has never been first to market... — Guest 2006-07-25 05:16

And they typically are on par or more expensive than their competitors. But that still hasn't held them back because they always come out with the superior console in the eyes of consumers. (and it comes down to Visual Design of the console, advertising, and buzz/hype) A higher price is typically equated with higher quality, and if consumers immediately see that difference then there's no point on spending a medium amount of money on something mediocre. That's just the ultimate path to buyer's remorse. The PS2 launched in Japan for $381 (plus tax), and it still did fine. Sold faster than any console in their history, and there were hardly any games! Analysts had their asses handed to them, with countless estimates that the PS2 would sell horribly due to its 'high price and software that doesn't show a significant power increase over its competitor'. Sound familiar?

With inflation over the past 6 years, the price of a $600 PS3 is not that much more than the $300 PS2, the numbers just make it seem that way. To compare, the NES was actually more expensive than the PS2, and the Atari 2600 was more expensive than the high-end PS3. Hell, even Burger King's doubled the price of their Whopper. =P

But, Sony's not taking any chances and definitely don't want to screw up like they did with the PS2. Not only did they make sure they had the most powerful console, they also ensured that programming it would be easier than its predecessor (the truth) and that they had the developer support. Since the recent creation of Sony Worldwide Studios, the guy in charge, Phil Harrison, has been hard at work trying to prove the media wrong and show that what they showed at E3 05 wasn't a lie at all. Something that Sony's doing that's never been done before on this scale is the sharing of technology between something like two dozen studios around the globe so that every First and Second party developer can help each make their games look and perform better. It's a great idea that in the end helps everyone involved, including consumers. Ted Price of Insomniac games had some interesting words to say in an interview when the question of "sony lied" came up.

Launch titles will, for the most part, be on par with 2nd gen 360 titles, with a few showing hints of superiority.

2nd gen titles will start to show a noticeable power difference.

By the 3rd and 4th years, the two consoles won't even be in the same league.

Don't ask why; this was simply his prediction and it'd be interesting to see how accurate/unaccurate it becomes. Really, the only thing holding back the 360 is quality software, and Sony knows this. If MS had actually met their target of 1 million consoles sold per month, you can bet Sony would've stuck to their Spring launch, regardless of the consequences. But, the 360 isn't doing that great. It's not doing horribly, it's just not doing great. The biggest complaint I see from gamers who try the 360 is "it doesn't look that different". The $400 just doesn't seem justified to them, mostly because all I see running on 360 Demo stations are Madden 06, Project Gotham Racing, and Kameo. Honestly, all they have to do is put videos of Gears of War, Bioshock, and Halo 3 on them to convince consumers. It's a dirty trick, but it will work. Sony has already proved this. I can't wait to see what happens this holiday season, from how many consoles are sold and the kinds of reviews the new software gets, to the inevitable crazy comments and horrid interviews that are bound to show up. I'm also hoping Kaz accidentally tops "RIIIIIDDDDGE Racer!". That'd just be hilarious. =P

# Whoever wrote comment #7: YOU ARE NOT FloW3184 — Guest 2006-07-25 05:20

so please stop that...

and: no i dont register my name

mfg

FloW3184

# morons... — Vecha 2006-07-25 05:22

again with the "360 only has fps"

"i've looked on the net and only see sci-fi shooters"

then A.) you are lieing, B.) you didn't try hard enough, C.) you are a dumbass.

Next month...three games come out...all not fps...a Japanese Rpg, and two third person free roaming games(dead rising and Saint's row)

By Next year there will be 8-10 Japanese Rpgs and then about 5 Western Rpgs.

Funny the 360 gets the first jrpgs...

and the ps3 has fps for launch...with a flighter sci-fi sim and a third person action adventure(sound s more like a xbox launch list to me)

# @17 — Guest 2006-07-25 05:25

Oh, dear. This message is cross posted on all 3 blogs, so instead of getting your fanboy panties in a knot. Do a little research please.

FANBOYS = People that only have the money for one system.

I care about gaming, 360, ps3, pc, and wii. All bring something to the table, and are all good in there own right. To think on is better than the other (Even before its released FFS) is pure stupidity, and amounts to 10- 15 year olds arguing. I have a killer PC, and xbox, a 360. USed to have a ps1 and ps2 but they dies and i havent replaced them yet. And i plan to get a wii and a ps3. Let the console wars begin, becasue it can only help gamers.

And remeber kids. GOD HATES FANBOYS.

# FaNB0y — Guest 2006-07-25 05:31

"I sometimes look online to see what 360 offers as far as games and for the most part they suck. I don't care about Halo. I like shooters but not sci-fi shooters, which adds Prey to that list of stupid games. Consider good XBox exclusives vs. PS3 exclusives

360 - Gears of War, GRAW, Halo (if you like that game)

PS3 - Killzone 2, Heavenly Sword, Tekken, MGS4, Assassins Creed, God of War, Devil May Cry 4, Warhawk and many more."

playstation 2 had too many japanese games and it looks like the ps3 will aswell. When i got my xbox i could see it was a cosole for me as it had more of the games i like so no matter how many ps3 exclusives you can list it doesnt make them any better or ps3 any more appealing.

and if they were the only 360 exclusives you could find online then you clearly weren't trying.

# well... — Guest 2006-07-25 05:37

i kind of agree with no.25, except in a less sarcastic way. The whole wiimote thing is far too gimmicky. Im not going to come home after working 8hours, have tea with my girlfriend, then switch my wii on and play wii sports, throwing myself from one side of the room to another. Sorry, but the wii just reminds me of a market stall toy. Wii fans can defend up to this, i dont mind, so longs its constructive. Just saying Wii will be successful because its cheap and its "innovative" isn't basis for it to be successful, it has to appeal to the masses, something that the gamecube didnt do. Dont believe me? Go to your local gamestore and see if you can find a decent gamecube section. People forget that Ninendo now has to make sure the Wii lasts for at least the next 4-5years. Why? The PS3 has a next generation format and high specifications, the 360 has almost near the same specs and will, on day, support hd-dvd movies. The Wii doesnt bring something that the average consumer will/might need in 5years time, the others do. It might bring something that hardcore Nintendo fans want, but for joe bloggs on the street, im affraid not. I even agree with the comments about its snes/n64 emulation. Alot of these games are available in one form or another already (namco has released its "arcade classics" on ps2 n xbox).

Whether fans of 360 or Wii admit it or not, the PS3 isn't going to wittle away. Its fanbase is just to big. 100million + ps2's confirm that. And just because a few thousand 360/wii fans on the internet cause trouble, they think that will help ps3 fail, sorry peeps, but 100million+ people will disagree with you

# good post no.17. — Vecha 2006-07-25 05:43

all consoles bring something that the other doesn't...

it'd be wise to buy them all...but fanboys can't bring themselves to do that...their mommy won't write the check..or they are too lazy to get out and do some work.

# wait...i like your post #31 but...you forgot one important thing... — Vecha 2006-07-25 05:48

". Its fanbase is just to big. 100million + ps2's confirm that"

Casual gamers man. Casual gamers. Sony doesn't have 100million fans...they have many Casual gamers.

That is how Nitendo, sega, atari, etc fall from the top...they just don't cater to the casual gamer.

Will this happen with Sony? It just might. Will it kill them? Probably not...but it may drop them to second if they don't pick up the ball.

# WHAT?!?! — Guest 2006-07-25 05:52

"playstation 2 had too many japanese games and it looks like the ps3 will aswell. When i got my xbox i could see it was a cosole for me as it had more of the games i like "

hang on, last time i checked in a game store, pretty much every game on xbox was available on ps2 (except halo and project gotham). As for too many japanese games!! WHAT!! PS2 had hundreds of games, far more than xbox and gamecube put together. Look at ps2's top games (God of War, Gran turismos, metal gear solids, gta's, Jak n daxter, manhunt, pro evo soccer, prince of persias, black, need for speeds, tomb raider, wwe games, fight nights, most EA sports games, ssx games, urban chaos, burnout games, gun, killzone, mercenaries, shadow of rome) and your telling me none of them are appealing. And what entitles a game to be labelled "japanese"? because its made there? if so, thats complete bollocks! It doesnt matter where a game is made so longs its a good game. Metal Gear solid, developed in japan, yet it doesnt just appeal to japanese gamers.

# true...they do have alot of casual gamers.... — Guest 2006-07-25 06:13

but casual gamers are the ones that matter. Ask the "casual gamer" what console he mainly uses, he/she will most likely say PS2. Ask them what console they used before PS2, for certainly most, they will say PS1. Its building a base like this that is important in gaming. ITs the building of a brand name, a name everyone recognises. Again ask joe bloggs on the street what a Wii is or a 360, and a select few might be able to tell you, ask what a Ps2 or PS3 is and i bet more will know that then they would about the other two.

And its that which has been the key to the success of the Playstation. The PS1 put sony in the market, the PS2 blown away anything that came before it, and now the brand name PlayStation is probably one of the recognised names in global products.

And how exactly is the PS3 not catering to the "casual gamer"? It still plays there PS1 and PS2 games, it still plays there dvd movies and music cds, so it does cater for the casual gamer. People can talk about the price as much as they like. This is where i agree with no.26. I bought a PS1 when that launched in the UK with one game for £299. All that console could do was play games or music cds. Yet it sold like wildfire. Inflation of prices over the past 10years since PS1 launched would mean it would probably cost you £400 now.

the only problem i have with PS3 is that they arent just aming this as a games machine. They want it to be the main piece of kit under your telly for every type of media, and its upto consumers and people selling the hardware to show that it can do alot more than just play games

# THE WII? — Guest 2006-07-25 06:20

the wii is so gay, yes the controller is cool but it appeals to the novice gamer. Hardcore gamers go for the ps3 and xbox 360.. F^CK the wii.

# userbase matters? — Guest 2006-07-25 06:59

OK, I see the point that many PS2 owners started with a PS1 and such. But to say that these millions will blindly adapt to the next installment in the series is ignoring history. Remember the 80's and early 90'? Did you have 'a console' or did you own a 'nintendo'? Nintendo was everywhere, it was used as a synonymous for console and video gaming. From game & watch over the NES and Gameboy to the SNES - Big N was THE big player on the market. Sure, Sega and Atari... but Nintendo simply owned. then came the N64 and it did not live up to the hype. The well established userbase of Nintendo crumbled. As of today Nintendo is said to be 'something for the kids'. A quick smile, next one please.

I know 2 xbox owners. One just plays a few selected titles and nothing more. The other one has modded his rig and watches ripped videos on it. Not DVD playback, no MP3.

I know at least 8 PS2 owners. Just one of them ocassionally played a DVD with it and frowned upon the PS2s crappy disc drive. It just wont recognize all DVD media, it doesnt even play all PS1 discs. Of the remaining 7 PS2 owners I know, only one used it to play an MP3 CD at a party. Not in everyday use.

I know 7 people with gamecubes and GBA/DS (worth of note: no one of my friends has a PSP or plans on getting one). None of them is younger than 26. None of them has kids that could act as a sorry excuse to own a nintendo system. They all use the system to play a lot of games. None of them expressed the need of multimedia features on their cube. One of them has a flashed DS and uses it to play homebrew. He could listen to music from the flash drive, but he doesnt.

I dont think that multimedia talk is going to appeal to anyone I know. HDTV might be a feature for one of them. But he didnt even bought a xbox360 yet and he doesnt have any sort of high definition media to watch on his TV. So if Xbox360 and PS3 offer the bonus of such features I dont see the real benefit. And I wont be paying hundreds of dollars to get something I wont even use.

# To The Professor — Guest 2006-07-25 07:06

Shut up with your Sony fanboyism crap. It's sickening really. I mean. Really. You can't see any positives for neither Nintendo or MS. You'll say that you're not a fanboy and then point out the obvious points for both systems. HERE COMES CAPTAIN PHUCKIN OBVIOUS. Then you'll say that PS3 still trumps them both because of Blu-Ray, better value, and ownage graphics.

Then other Sony hookers come on and give you the pat on the back saying "oh you sound like a reasonable intelligent guy."

Wrong, douchebags. The Professor is just another Sony fanboy who will try to "outwit" any one else who sounds Anti-Sony. Just like this article by David Cole.

Don't get me twisted either. I was a big fan of PS and PS2 but it seems now like all the good $hit went to Xbox360 and Nintendo. Blu Ray? Don't kid yourself. It's not a quantum leap in format. 50 gigs? 1080P? Who cares. Regular DVD is just fine. I don't even care about HD DVD and i'm pretty sure the majority of us doesn't give a $hit either. It's all about the access to games. But I'm pretty sure you'll write up a good report for the kids to say something opposite huh?

That's right. Go take those kids to school, "Professor!" Sound like the righteous voice for System Wars.

"Use the Sony Blu Ray force?"

"Ken Kutaragi, I am your father?"

Not only do you sound like a Sony douchebag with this but a Star Wars nerd who couldn't get laid if he paid for it.

# agree with #31 — Guest 2006-07-25 07:21

Nintendo will make you buy again something that you should might had from previous generations, because it is not backward compatible with your cardtridges, only with gamecube games and that approach doesn't appeal as much as just using your existing software that you payed once, and sticking it to the new system (a good selling point of the PS2 + PS3) without mentioning that on the PS2 also you could use the same controllers and memory cards. Other companies have worked against consumers (making different controllers, different memory cards, etc...), Sony did it, towards consumers and that's one reason of the successful PS2. The lasting appeal of Nintendo usually doesn't last too much. I bought a Nintendo DS Lite (and I have had a PSP since a year ago), and I have played some DS games. I have liked some, but others they just "kill" them because they want to use the touch screen on games that are not necessary or not suppose to use it. That things damage the gameplay instead of helping or simplifying it. Sometimes they can use some action on an unused button on the DS, but instead they used the touch screen, and sometimes the touch screen is not as responsive as a button. If there is no use on some game, for some "special feature" please just don't force it. I can predict the same will happen with the new console. They will force motion sensivity and other features in games that don't need it, and will turn the gameplay a pain. I have watched very carefully the gameplay videos of the Nintendo New system ( I hate the name...), and the gameplay sometimes doesn't look that easy as they say. I was watching Red Steel, just look at people playing it, and you will see (think of having the screen full of enemies and you using that controller..), instead of just walking and hitting one guy.

# #39 — Fin 2006-07-25 07:32

Wow, unless you can get at the level of intellect, and thought out posts like The Professor then you really can't say anything about him.

He says he is not a fanboy. Thats true and yes he supports the PS3. Theres a difference between support and fanboyism. If he was a fanboy he would have made statements like you, swearing and attacking people, and making incredible false statements out of their asses like other fanboys do. Although he supports the PS3 he still opens his mind to what other systems offer that are good and yet you attack that to say he's a fanboy. Your running in circles there.

"Not only do you sound like a Sony douchebag with this but a Star Wars nerd who couldn't get laid if he paid for it."

And whos the one using star wars examples to insult someoen?

# ccd — Guest 2006-07-25 07:43

QJ has successfully created another fanboy war!

Not even a Chris C. article. Brilliant.

I can see the people hold back the tears as they write their posts defending hardware and fictional characters.. It's touching, yet amusing.

# CRAZY PRICES! — Guest 2006-07-25 07:44

"High-definition television: $2,500

Stereo Receiver: $600

Speakers: $1,200

Cables: $400

Installation and Calibration: $1,000

Movie/CD/Game Player: $600"

First of all u can get a hdtv about 32inches from anywhere $700-$1300.

Second of all i got my 6.1 surround sound system with hdmi for only $800.

Cables do not cost $400...at the most youll pay $150 for cables.but when u buy systems and tvs cables come with them...

INSTALLATION IS NOT $1200 IF U KNOW HOW TO DO IT URSELF!

# to GOBO.....i know..... — Guest 2006-07-25 08:06

Hey GOBO!!!! I know people with Gamecube's that barely turn them on, and wish to have a PS2 instead of a Gamecube. That people likes to borrow a PS2 and play descent and great games like Metal Gear and God of War, great fighting games like Marvel vs. Capcom, Tekken, Virtua Figther, Soul Calibur, great RPG's (too much to mention all), and so on. Each day they get disappointed, Sony gain more userbase. Just check the numbers of the N64 vs Gamecube (on Wikipedia). This time Nintendo will have to prove a lot instead of just hype, and gimmick. BTW, the games that Nintendo showed a lot, are the same games again (Mario, Zelda, Metroid), at least Sony showed some new games. The games that Nintendo showed are for their fans not for the masses or Non-Gamers.

# Fin, another Professor homeboy — Guest 2006-07-25 08:09

To the rescue huh? To save another nerd? Do YOU know him? ok then shut up. Besides i wasn't even talkin about you.

I hate pseudo intellects. What's so intellectual arguing over videogame systems?

Another obvious question from Fin (potentially another douchebag). "And whos the one using star wars examples to insult someoen?"

I did, you twit. Intellectual? You can't even spell "someone" correctly.

# # 35 — Guest 2006-07-25 08:19

the ps2 was filled up with all these stupid japanese rpg nonsense the only decent games on it were multiformat and maybe a few others like say res evil however all the fanboys go on about is how many rpg's it had yes but they were the stupid yellow rpgs with spiky hair anime characters running roung with stupid dragons and japanese voices xbox was like a games console without all this yellow nonsense and true western rpg's

PS2 might have had a load of games but its quality rather than quantity for me and silly jap games i think are just crap

# no.41 — Guest 2006-07-25 08:25

people who know me off here know that i work for EA games over in the UK, so from my perspective, i could do with all consoles being hugely successful. I am the same, i wouldn't consider myself a fanboy of Sony or the PS3 (i do own a 360). I do, however, consider myself to be a supporter of the PS3. I like what Sony are trying to do. Im not affraid to admit that the price is high (but the price is high on a jaguar xjs, doesnt mean its not worth the money) which i believe the PS3 is. The only ones i find who complain about the price are GAMERS who only want it to play games. A company like Sony, who diverse into many divisions, can't just be a games company. They do have to think about "general public" because thats where they aim there product, the Playstation has always been marketed as a "home entertainment system". If you want just to play games, fine, buy a Wii. I find it pointless people coming on here moaning about how PS3 is too expensive/copied the wii/blu ray pointless etc. If you dont want it or dont like it, why moan about these issues?

As for the PS2 having "dvd problems", ive yet to come across anybody who has had a problem. Ive got 4 and mine work fine with all DVD's, and the only PS1 games i have problems with are the difficult to find ones or the not so popular ones. ITs near impossible for Sony to make a console that lets u work every ps1 and ps2 game, just look at the mess microsoft are in with their backwards compatability. They cant even get half of their xbox back catalogue to work on the 360.

High definition and PS3 or multimedia stuff might not appeal to your "friends" or who-ever, but if you take a good look on the internet and in local shops, you'll pretty much find it is at the forefront of everything (especially in the UK, you cant walk into your electrical retailer without seeing hundreds of Hi-def tvs n xbox 360s and ps3 infromation leaflets and pre-orders etc). Even Sky TV are now broadcasting in HD, so sooner or later everyone will have to switch.

i do remember the 80's and early 90's and yes, nintendo where infact everywhere. The problem with Ninendo was they never changed. They always offered the same. Same Mario, same zelda, same everything. I for one loved playing mario and zelda. They where the games that made Ninendo consoles THE must have consoles around. But thats all it offered, and the games hardly changed. Im not saying the Wii isnt innovative, because it is, as they have changed the way we play the average game. As a mass market appeal though, it isn't going to appeal to the normal everyday consumer, simply because of the way you have to play it. People like something thats easy to use and its far easier to pick up a pad and just play a game than to pick up a pad and dance around in your living room.

The Wii is a really good and brave idea, but it feels more last generation than this new generation. You've got to remember that whatever console you buy, its got to last you at least 3-4years+ otherwise its a bad investment of money. The 360 and PS3 are both pushing technology as far as it can possibly go, which is why they claim their consoles to last 6-10years. The Wii would have to be pretty special if its to offer the same lifespan (again, look at gamecube in last gen as proof)

# agree with #47 — Guest 2006-07-25 08:40

People went away from Nintendo because they offered the same in each console war. This time, the same again, with different controller. It will last just a few time, when people will look again at playing games with feeling, exitement, good plots, and so on. Games like Kingdom Hearts, God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, FF Series are the one to go. They have showed that can surpass Mario, Zelda and Metroid because basically is something new and different. Just the fanboys are the one that will play again the same, but that quantity have reduced a lot as the years has passed by. BTW, I am 24 years old, and I began playing that games, NES and some Atari games, and that's my feeling about Nintendo, they just got stuck on the 90's.

# Fanboys still need to die — Fin 2006-07-25 08:45

Your words do not harm me! Im the Juggernaut *****!

See I can do all this naive attacking too, but I like my use of fictional characters better. And wow, thanks for pointing out my typo, I guess I should type slower huh. Yes I don't know him but I respect the way he posts unlike you who's attacking him while theres other worthless fanboy posts here. Why don't you attack those obvious fan boys? Do you have a complex against people that make good arguments that aren't in your favor?

Anyways I'm done.

As for the article, only time will tell. Like I've said in another article the Wii will do well no matter what (I personally don't care about the Wii, but I can't deny it's success). The fact of the matter is, since Wii targets a different audience and price is so low the "console war" should be looked at as that between the 360 and the PS3.

# hmmm... — Guest 2006-07-25 08:48

"the ps2 was filled up with all these stupid japanese rpg nonsense blah blah blah"

dya know what, i aint even going to take a guy like this seriously. And as for the quantity against quality, yeah very true it is what matters.

Obviously you completely ignored around the 25-30games i mentioned in previous post, oh and if its exclusives your talking about, then god of war, metal gear solid 3, san andreas (timed exclusive i know), Devil May Cry1,2+3, Gran turismo, smackdown vs raw, black, ico, shadow of the colossus, tekken 5, shadow of rome, kessen 3). Point proven?

# "Fanboys still need to die" - Fanboys killing fanboys what's he world coming too. — TheProfessor 2006-07-25 09:17

"Shut up with your Sony fanboyism crap. It's sickening really. I mean. Really. You can't see any positives for neither Nintendo or MS."

See my other post 'Wii will be the ultimate party machine', 'Gears of War is arguably the best game at E3', 'I have a 360 and think it's great', 'One of the main reasons I support the PS3 is because I see so much FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) being produced, likely by competitors no doubt'. If a fanboy is someone who believes a company's strategy is better because of what they're bringing to the table and how they are differentiating themselves then slap a "kickme I'm a fanboy" sticker on my back. I don't believe that's the case. As fin mention fanboys usually make no sense and say things like " Not only do you sound like a Sony douchebag with this but a Star Wars nerd "

"Then other Sony hookers come on and give you the pat on the back saying 'oh you sound like a reasonable intelligent guy.' "

Thanks I didn't know I got this much respect. Feels nice people actually read my brain dumps.

"The Professor is just another Sony fanboy who will try to "outwit" any one else who sounds Anti-Sony. Just like this article by David Cole."

I actually give respect to those that have disagreed with me when they bring points I never considered or overlooked. This is what makes forums and blogs so great, you get so much information by other readers and on top of that sharpen your critical thinking skills (College Education right there!).

"Don't get me twisted either. I was a big fan of PS and PS2 but it seems now like all the good $hit went to Xbox360 and Nintendo. "

Can't argue with your taste in games. Good for you. I guess it'll be a Wii60 Christmas for you. For me it will be a 360(already own one) and a PS3 xmas and even a PSWii60 one in the future.

"Blu Ray? Don't kid yourself. It's not a quantum leap in format. 50 gigs? 1080P? "

I think enough has been said on this I don't really need to repeat it.

" That's right. Go take those kids to school, "Professor!" Sound like the righteous voice for System Wars. "

I actually teach a computer sciences courses part time at Queens College - that's why the name =). My full time job is Software Engineer/Business Analyst for an investment bank (live in NYC).

"Use the Sony Blu Ray force?" , "Ken Kutaragi, I am your father?"

Funny...

""Not only do you sound like a Sony douchebag with this but a Star Wars nerd who couldn't get laid if he paid for it.""

I'm currently engaged and I have to tell you I definitely have to pay to get laid. ($1400 for rent and god knows how much money to support my gf and I) NYC life is a b1tch.

# BTW sorry to those that have to read my off topic post. — TheProfessor 2006-07-25 09:29

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# lol, Professor — Guest 2006-07-25 11:05

i'm convinced you must be my long lost twin. lol. so far i've seen nothing you've posted that has me thinking "FANBOY!" you've always been fair and unbiased, and championing the positives of all 3 consoles. but ever since E3 this year, the PS3 and Sony have seen a diluge of FUD unlike any console before it (and probably after it. well, maybe the PS4 will have more).

i defend the PS3 for the same reasons you do, and also because, for the past 10 years, they haven't disappointed me. back in my high school days, i was a huge, huge fan of Sega. while all my other friends got to play Super Mario World and Chrono Trigger, i was stuck with Sonic and Rambo 3 (lol). i stood by my system of choice, until said Chrono Trigger came out, and i had to borrow my friends Super Nintendo in order to play that incredible game. basically, my budget dictated my system loyalties (well, my mom's budget), but i learned early on that system loyalty is foolish. Sega dissappointed me generation after generation, because it just seemed to me that they didn't try hard enough.

eventually, i had to throw in my Sega towel and side with the system that gave me the gaming experiences i desired (first SNES, then PS1). i own all 3 current systems, and i plan on owning all 3 Next Gen systems. i really like the ring of PSWii60, and i think i'll have to steal that and use it as my banner going into this Next Gen console war. am i happy with Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo? not 100%, but i'm not going to shut them out because of, well, *whatever* idiotic fanboy reason.

i'm just as excited for Super Smash Bros Brawl, Mass Effect, Crackdown (which i played! i love it!), Lost Planet, as i am for Final Fantasy XIII, Assassin's Creed, and Metal Gear Solid 4. there's no point in being a fanboy, but i guess it takes a while for the 15 year old little boys and girls that proliferate the internet to understand that. of course, that usually comes with getting a job and realising that you can afford 3 consoles at some point (eventually, there were PS2 droughts, so i purchased an X Box to pick up some exclusives for that console to tide me over until some more PS2 games out, and so on and so forth), and that it benefits them, as a gamer, to get all 3 if possible. if not, stand by the one you have, but don't dismiss the others outright. because eventually there will be an exclusive game for the "competing" console that you want, and you'll have to eat your loyalty (i did; i really wanted Fable, Ninja Gaiden, and Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2, even though i avoided X Box for the longest time).

what i find amusing is that the same exact arguments that were used by fanboys to discredit the PS2 are being used to discredit the PS3. it's hilarious. actually, it's more irritating than hilarious, but i do laugh at the complete ignorance of the fanboys. it's sad, really. it's kind of amazing how these kids will read something on the internet that will totally, 100% sway their opinion: "MICROSOFT EMPLOYEE SAYS THE PS3 IS LAME!! OMG!! I'M NOT GOING TO GET A PS3 THEN!!" it's silly, and pathetic.

Uncle Figboy's bit of advice to all you younguns: "Get an opinion of your own and stop believing everything you read off of the internet. Stop being sheep. If you like Sony, like Sony. if you like X Box, like X Box, if you like Nintendo, like Nintendo. if you like all 3, like all 3, but for the love of taft STOP being influenced by every little piece of 'news' that comes out of the perrenial tabloid that is the internet."

that is all.

# ............. — Guest 2006-07-25 11:47

Everybody keep things on the F****** topic and speak with intelligence please. Stop all this fanboys must die S*** and grow the F*** up. End of story.

# - — Guest 2006-07-25 11:53

I'm older than you, therefore I am smarter, better, more matured, and faster than you. That is all.

# .. — Guest 2006-07-25 12:00

TheProfessor is probably the only sane poster on here and Joystiq. Even if you dislike the system he's defending, that doesn't make his points any less valid.

And to "Uncle Figboy": Why bring age into the issue? I'm 15, have a job, and am trying to save up for next-gen. No one can help what age they are, so it's not that fair of an argument.

# to Fran — Guest 2006-07-25 12:44

well then, my comments weren't directed at you. from the bs i've had to read on the internet since E3 this year, it's been primarily 15 and 16 year old boys and girls lamenting the price of the PS3, and the primary reason being that it's too expensive. i've seen plenty "I'm 15 years old, and i don't want a job! Sony sucks for charging $600 for a games machine!"

you are very much a minority (on the internet at least), and that's what i was pointing out. that the majority of the people on the internet complaining about the high price of Next Gen consoles (in particular, the PS3) are in high school, and can't afford it, or convince their parents to buy it for them. i try to point out (and in numerous threads, on numerous occassions), that it's not important for them to have the system *this* year. that the price will inevitably drop if the $500/$600 is too expensive, and just because they can't afford it doesn't mean it suddenly sucks, when, just months before E3, those very same boys and girls were singing it's praises. i've stated that if they truly want it and have to have it this year, they should save up. also, *****ing and complaining about the price isn't going to lower it. Sony released the console at the only price that was acceptable for them on a business sense. any lower, and they'd lose too much money, then what? we'd be short one of the most influential and beneficial companies the gaming industry has seen in it's short 20 something year lifespan. those kids should suck it up and accept that they'll have to save for it, or wait for it. those are the only two options available.

it's a very fair argument based off of the comments and conversations i've had and seen on this site and many others. i'm not saying there aren't people my age *****ing and moaning about it, but the ones i've seen more of have been from the under 18 crowd. and honestly, most of the jobs that 14 and 15 year olds can get only pay minimum wage, and they tend to only work 20/30 hours a week at the most, considering that they're in school as well. if i was in high school, i'd be pissed at the high price too. as it is, i have an excellent job (i work at Obsidian Entertainment for now), and i'm doing the same thing you, and any other reasonable person who really wants a next gen system is doing; i'm saving my money.

my issue is when those ill-informed teenagers ***** about price, rip on people that actually *do* want the system, and waste the energy they're wasting *****ing instead of getting a job and saving money. when the price was announced, they had 6 months to begin saving up $500/$600 for the system. and don't even get me started on how up and arms everyone gets over the things that have been posted on the internet about Sony in the past few months. these kids have so little identity and sense of self that they formulate their opinions off of something they've read from a biased website.

even the mighty QJ.Net isn't free from their bloggers adding a bit more than just opinion to their "news" stories. i'm just calling it like i've been seeing it, and it's getting old and boring. it seems to be the trend of people everywhere to bash Sony and PS3. and most people always bring up "the Price." and "Blu Ray." but, in all honesty, if "the Price" wasn't so high, no one would be *****ing about the inclusion of Blu Ray, so most of the Blu Ray arguments are a direct result of the price. then, they've read some biased "review" about how Blu Ray pales in comparison to HD DVD, and it's more ignorant fuel to their fire. i've seen both Blu Ray and HD DVD in action, and i think they're both great formats. i'm going with Blu Ray because of the massive industry support from both gaming and movies, and because i don't have to purchase a stand alone system on top of my gaming console purchase when i'm in the market for a high def experience (and i am).

# to 55 — Guest 2006-07-25 13:02

lol. maturity definitely has nothing to do with age, but moreso how we process our experiences and draw our lessons from said experiences. age means you've had more time to undergo a lot more experiences, and logic dictates that more experiences means more lessons drawn from those experiences, thus leading to more maturity, but that's not always the way it is.

with that said, yeah, i'm not a little kid (27), and i've definitely been gaming since the NES days back in the mid 80s (i was 5). but i've seen my fair share of console wars to know that, ultimately, it doesn't matter what system you pledge your loyalty to, as systems come and go. it's the games that ultimately matter. when talking about your latest exploits in Metal Gear Solid or even Mercenaries, you don't go "When playing Metal Gear Solid; available only on the Playstation 2, blah blah blah." you talk about the game, the characters, and your enjoyment (or lack of enjoyment). not the hardware. no one gets bent out of shape when an artist says he or she is using a particular type of pen or pencil. only that the end product is quality.

the same applies to games. since i have experience in the gaming industry (as a gamer and as an insider), i think expressing that experience and knowledge would do more good than ill, and, i kind of see the exhasperated frustration that my mom must have felt when trying to impart her experiences on me. of course, some lessons have to be learned personally before they sink in.

# Its all about the games!!! PS3=cheap!!! — Guest 2006-07-25 13:04

No GTA on Wii again? Half GTA on x360? No HDD on Wii again?

Can you compare premium X360 with premium PS3? no!

Why not? You say... (Premium= P... Basic=B)

(P)PS3 has: 60gb HDD, HDMI, Slots for memory cards, Wifi, Bluetooth.

(P)X360 has not! So you can really compare it with (B) PS3 that has more than (P)X360: Blue Ray, 1080p, 7 player capable, Bluetooth and than you still say "Why 100$ more" ...are you stupid? just the blue ray it self cost 1000$

# Objection! — ssj3fox 2006-07-25 14:42

"His argument, It wont sell cause it's too expensive. And then assumes it will never lower in price. The PSP with more than twice the price of a DS and a poor library has managed to beat the DS in the United States just because it has the playstation named attached to it. When it comes to the PS3 however, Sony has it at it's highest priority thefore you can expect a great library along with the plethora of functionality."

This is not true. Last I checked the DS has sold more total units in the US then the PSP. The PSP and DS are neck and neck every where but Japan. Japan is the tie breaker. In Japan the DS has a lot more games then the US. Nintendo has expanded the market and has made a lot of games to support it. Here are a few:

Electroplankton

Jam with the Band

Jump Super Stars

Meteos

Nintendogs

Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan

Kanji Sonomama Rakubiki Jiten

Shaberu! DS Ryouri Navi

ASH

Tabi no Yubisashi Kaiwachou DS Series 5: Germany

Project Hacker Kakusei

Tabi no Yubisashi Kaiwachou DS Series 4: America

Choushoujuu Mecha MG

Tabi no Yubisashi Kaiwachou DS Series 3: Korea

Mawa*****e Tsunageru Touch Panic

Tabi no Yubisashi Kaiwachou DS Series 2: China

Tabi no Yubisashi Kaiwachou DS Series 1: Thailand

All 1st party. All New IPs. What if they did this in the US? In the time it takes to make a MGS or a FF Nintendo alone has made several million selling titles in Japan alone. Even if some games are a fad they just make a new "fad" in no time. With Wii VC this would be too easy for Wii. With a huge market share in Japan Japanese developers will soon make more Wii games. Just look at all of the 3rd party DS games. Even Microsoft made a hit DS game and are working on another!

Remember Nintendo would always have FF, Mega Man, Street Fighter, Dragon Quest, and all of those other 3rd party games? High cost killed that and well...

Mega Man is going home

http://www.thewiire.com/news/323/1/Mega_Man_Best_Suited_for_Wii_Says_Creator

No Smackdown for a whole year

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3491&Itemid=2

I love games like MGS and DMC. As in stands right now though I like games like Trauma Center and Half Life more. Well $400 can do great things for my PC...

# Way to go Professor and FifBoy — Guest 2006-07-25 15:34

And stop usin my name you copy you FloW3184.

# This article is just flamebait — Annony 2006-07-25 19:13

Nothing new is really said in this entire article.

Everyone knows that Wii will be cheap and innovative.

Everyone knows that X360 was first out the door and has great online.

Everyone knows that PS3 is expensive and has power.

Everyone knows this rehash will result in YET ANOTHER pissing contest.

"I can pees da furtherest!!"

Amazing you can shoot so far with such a short barrel...

Can't we all just agree on one little fact:

Competition breeds better products. To hell with the companies in the 'console war', THE ONLY WINNERS ARE THE GAMERS!

Nothing is going to fail, nothing is going to blow away the industry. There's a console for everybody, so quit being preachy and just enjoy the fact that you have such a great choice.

# Upon reading further into the flames — Annony 2006-07-25 19:40

To 'TheProfessor' - Good posts, and even better responses to 'Fanboys still need to die'.

To 'Fanboys still need to die' - Mmmm... that 'hide' option is golden. And here's a tip so you don't sound like a complete idiot in other posts: "Use facts to support your views, and steer clear of personal insults" assho1e.

To 'Figboy' - Also good posts.

To 'Vecha' - You hit the nail on the head with the 'all consoles bring something different to the table'. Kudos.

To 'Annony' - Why the f*ck are you skimming through all of these?

# man why they always say: "the 600$ ps3" — senjutsu 2006-07-25 19:58

it's 500$ not 600$!

this is the proof! check this, it's great!

http://www.projectcoe.com/sony/editorials/ps3_500.html

# fanboy — Guest 2006-07-25 22:24

I'm a sony fanboy. I was with sony before the playstation. I will get a ps3 and a wii. now Im not here to just big-up sony. Im here to trash the xbox. really trash the xbox. I just dont like microsoft. I dont even use pc I use apple. if MS wins the game war I will STOP playing games. It just sucks. I dont care if sony or nintendo wins. I am rooting for sony but if nintendo wins its cool. if your a sony fan or casual gamer dont watch g4tech tv's (Attack of the show or xplay) its sony and nintendo trashing and xbox advertising all day.

# Its all about the games!!! PS3=cheap!!! cont... — Guest 2006-07-25 23:33

if cant afford it just say it and don’t complaint saying that it is a bad console... just wait until the price go down and than buy it! I'm don’t have a rich dad, or even rich my self work delivering pizza and papers in the morning, and living on nice apartment by my self, work some extra hours in your summer vacation so you will have enough.... the others who cant work ... be a better son (d) i believe if your parents can spend 400$ for a (P)X360 if deserve it they would spend a 100$ more to give you the best! Warning they will probable use it too to play the new movies in Blue ray...

BTW i have a X360 already, I’m happy but not satisfied!

"the new generation starts when PS3 comes out" that’s why Nintendo decide to bring the new console at the same time... no need of word on it cause it has a inferior technology of the X360 and look at then almost 1 year old, you know Sony is late mostly because of Blue Ray so be it... i want the best! i used to love SNES and GBA nothing else from NINTENDO thanx.

I think PS3 wont be the leader it first year, but look at the X360 still been outsell by PS2 for a difference of 100.000 more every month witch will keep the lead until the big brother PS3 take over for sure.

Good luck for you all.

# Both the WII & XBOX 360 Suck — Guest 2006-07-26 00:28

Both the WII & XBOX 360 Suck

Why is everyone saying they will get a wii?! I don't understand it. What does the wii bring to gaming?! Nintendo games suck, who cares about Zelda, I'm a grown a$$ man. I haven't played Mario in like 3 years. Honestly, if I work an eight hour day I'm not trying to come home and stand in front of my TV with a stupid looking controller. Honestly, playing all of your games for hours standing up will get old fast. Xbox is an okay system but it doesn't compete to the PS3. Consider what you have to add to a 360 to make it apples to apples with a PS3:

HDDVD - $150

Cooling Fan - $30

Online - $50 (a year)

Hard drive 40 more GB's - $200

Games that I care about - 2 - 4 years

I sometimes look online to see what 360 offers as far as games and for the most part they suck. I don't care about Halo. I like shooters but not sci-fi shooters, which adds Prey to that list of stupid games. Consider good XBox exclusives vs. PS3 exclusives

360 - Gears of War, GRAW, Halo (if you like that game)

PS3 - Killzone 2, Heavenly Sword, Tekken, MGS4, Assassins Creed, God of War, Devil May Cry 4, Warhawk and many more.

Keep in mind that games are going to get larger in the future I can see 360 games having like 3 disc and PS3 still with only one.

# Xbox — Guest 2006-07-26 01:38

I like the origional Xbox it had the best gaming experience the only thing missing was Japanese rpgs (playstations only edge) now with the 360 xbox fanboys are getting the BEST rpgs (Sakaguchi san) nuff said. and all you guys out there knocking each of the console companies here is news they all just want your money microsoft, sony, and nintendo so just stop the bashing and just choose the one you prefer and if you like all of them buy all of them.

# :) — Guest 2006-07-26 03:59

Since when was motion-sensing revolutionary?

I mean, it's been done a million times before, just using different peripherals( AKA sesnors bars....)

There.

I said it.

The Wii is an overclocked GameCube and a PERIPHERAL.

And sensor bars suck.

At E3, it was kinda hard to play the Wii because I was too tall.

So how is a family supposed play together (as Nintendo said would happen)if any of them are far different heights from each other (let alone having the gamers in the families explain to the rest why the machine is called "Wii").

Also, sensor bars limit you from using a hi-def television and projectors. So now I have to buy a crappy TV to play it and I can't do that thing where I project the game onto the side of the house.

Anyways, is it revolutionary because the whole console is focused on the gimick or just becuase you like Nintendo and trust that they can reclaim first place after 20 years?

And the Virtual Console thing is kinda dumb.

Seeing as you have to pay for games that they don't loose money selling. I mean, Nintendo could have all of those games for free.

I bet people will either just download the roms for free on their PC, PS2, PSP, PS3, hacked Xbox or possibly an Xbox 360...or they will find an exploit and gain the ability to launch their own emulators and roms off of the SD card.

Is it just me, or do you people use the term "fanboy" as an escape from your own low intelligence and so that you can, at the same time, nulify anything one person says as complete crap?

# Objection! MrDaBucket — ssj3fox 2006-07-26 04:44

"At E3, it was kinda hard to play the Wii because I was too tall.

So how is a family supposed play together (as Nintendo said would happen)if any of them are far different heights from each other"

At E3 a lot of people were testing Wii. It is hard to adjust it for every one. Nintendo has stated that you can store you settings on your controller. So your controller will have settings for a taller player saved on them and the rest of the family will have there own settings. Maybe you can store profiles on Wii itself for each family member.

"Also, sensor bars limit you from using a hi-def television and projectors. So now I have to buy a crappy TV to play it and I can't do that thing where I project the game onto the side of the house."

The sensor bar was made so that the Wii can work with HDTVs and projectors.

"And the Virtual Console thing is kinda dumb.

Seeing as you have to pay for games that they don't loose money selling. I mean, Nintendo could have all of those games for free.

I bet people will either just download the roms for free on their PC, PS2, PSP, PS3, hacked Xbox or possibly an Xbox 360...or they will find an exploit and gain the ability to launch their own emulators and roms off of the SD card."

Good argument but there are counter arguments. For one Nintendo still loses money. They will have to run servers around the world and pay for bandwidth. Next Nintendo and other companies are also going to make new games for VC. In other words it's to be like XBLA. If a lot of new games come out your argument is dead...

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