Knife City - It's Not A Game |
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The London (U.K.) Metro Police recently released this video implying that violent gaming can cause violent behavior. Interestingly, the website doesn't actually make this claim - but the video can certainly be taken as an indictment of gaming. Is this fair? It's an issue that seems to come up again and again. The question is always a variation of "do the ways people act out online cause them to act out in the 'real' world?" The main concern seems to be that of violent games (which is nearly all of them) causing violent behavior.
Of course, we cannot single out gaming. The media in general is saturated with violence, of which gaming is only a part. Certainly, the kinds of violent images that have become so common in our society during the last 30 or so years have had a desensitizing effect (which is a whole other rant). But is there a direct correlation?
There are many problems, both logistical and ethical, in conducting a valid scientific study of this issue. According to Canadian psychologist Jonathan L. Freedman, there have been few studies of this phenomenon, and a scientifically rigorous study would require years, assigning test subjects to play certain games, then determining how to measure the effects - if any.
Dr. Freedman makes one interesting statement, however. He suggests that perhaps it is not the violence of games that cause people to act in aggressive ways, but rather that people already predisposed to violence find these games particularly attractive.
In my personal experience, I have found a moderate amount of "acting out" in a virtual world to be quite therapeutic, allowing me to "blow off steam" at certain prominent political figures, whom I have modeled in Sims 2. (I'll leave the "who" and "what" to your imagination).
The one issue that remains a mystery is why, if society is so concerned about violence in the media, does it allow violence to be taken for granted while holding a rigidly Puritanical neurosis about media sexuality (as happened during E3 2006)?
Is it not better to make love than war?
In any event, check out this video clip and decide for yourself.
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Video games do not cause people to commit crime. it is a spurious link at best. These people obviously have a predisposition to commit a shooting or robbery anyway. I have played all GTA games and have never felt the compulsion to pull someone out of there car and run over old grannies. Society in this day and age is always looking for a quick fix and something to blame. At this time it is games in the firing line. In the 80's it was all the gore flicks that came straight to video, which in my opinion are far more disturbing as we were dealing with real footage. Even the latest GTA game is still abstract by the very fact that it is graphics and polygons as opposed to real footage. Perhaps the U.S.A as a whole should look at it's liberal gun and knife laws and oppresive education systems to find the real heart of the problem.
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i thnk all people are naturly violent whether they like it or not. the games i play do piss me off and make me want to punch a whole in the wall but they necer make me want to kill someone. i resist pucnhing a hole in the because iw will get in trouble for it . face it all games have those really stupid hard parts ro it that make u want to kill someone . but u dont cause it doesnt makw u that angry. an example is the ZERO MISSIONS IN GTA SAN ANDREAS those made me want to do something drastict.
This is dumb...well not the video that was just...wow...anyway. I agree with number 1 in that the just want something to blame. I have played video games since I was litteratly 1 and a half. (think I am lying, my dad filmed me and I actually was doing good) There has only been a few games that make me really mad, Jet Force Gemini (stupid Floyd missions) and Super Monkey Ball. but as for the violent video games, they don't make me want to go kill someone...maybe they should look deeper into this problem and see that it isn't video games fault but maybe more of a parenting problem? Or somehow peer presure?
And it doesn't help that jack thompson (wanker) is always banging on about violence in games. Someone killed some people, and he played GTA, so its the games fault! Silly C*nt
>TheChowster: Ohohooo man don't get me started with the floyd missions, man oh man. I remember perfecting those things to "T". I felt like that guy who beat Mario in record time. My god the perfection those missions demanded. In relevant news, I'd like to point out two things that I keep particularly close by whenever I hear about videogame violence as a stimulant for violent activity. One, (and it has been quoted before) is that violence shouldn't necessarily be considered a purely negative aspect of a videogame. Violence is a natural part of human interaction and society itself, and to neglect to portray that actuality is to neglect realism in itself. No, our concern shouldn't be to abolish violence in games, instead, we should be more adamant about the way we represent such violence, and about what impact violence has on ourselves and others. Secondly, as it has been posted by the casually-sophisticated-yet-insightful magazine "The escapist" (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/issue/35/9), history has naturally proven that even great societies fall to the problematic widespread acceptance of violence. It can be very well speculated, and with good reason, that the Roman gladiatorial "games" could have very well allowed the people to believe that "killing other humans [is] acceptable". It's easy to forget that what's happening here and now is actually becoming a part of history, that "America" too is a society and a culture, and societies rise and fall with the rest of them. Of course, gaming was and never should be the shepherds of moral decision. If games stopped providing violent content, people would inevitably seek it elsewhere. More or less, it's just newscasters trying to find what I call "sensational media" and people who are too frightened to take responsibility for their own actions, in turn labeling the videogame industry as a scapegoat.
a lot of people hate jack . thats funny.
gentle men, start your propaganda engines. whats next? This is your brain, this is your brain on GTA? give me a break!
I hate crap like this, anywhere you go you will see violence, TV, Movies, Commercials, and yes video games. But I, like others, have never wanted to go out and hurt someone because of GTA (Which i have been playing since third grade!) None of my friends want to hurt people, nor do they hurt people, and they all have been huge gaming fans. Its the person, and yes people are often influenced to do bad things, but GTA doesn't tell you to do bad things (Except in that digital world). And even if the people who have been doing violent things, and it was indeed video game influence, then why aren't the rest of us gamers going chimp on everyone, don't punish the populus because of one bad event, involving such a small minority of people. Thank you.
The video also shows that if he didn't have a knife then he would be the one lying in the stretcher with his mother crying her head off.
on the one hand it's almost impossible for me to see how someone can play gta and then walk out their door and somehow believe they live in 'san andreas'... i mean there are some startling differences between reality and videogames, which won't even go away once graphics have managed to trick our eyes... try getting run over in reality, i can tell you it doesn't just make your hands vibrate a little... (that's the controller vibration function by the way) but then, in the usa so many people have guns and things, and they're like 'i have the right to protect myself'... but do they realise that they'd be taking someone's life? it just means burglars or muggers have to step it up and be willing to take their victims' lives, otherwise they may not live through it... it's crazy, those videogame-violence activists shoudl asses their country as a whole before pinning any problems on games, sure it's hard to say that videogames have absolutely no effect, but couldn't they also be working the other way? i mean, if you get to go kill as many people as you like in the comfort of your living room why walk out the door and do the same? is there any way of telling whether violent instincts can be satiated with videogames. i mean it's clear we have them as games which pander to wanton murderous rage are doing very well. bah, what's the point? in the end a bunch of people who know nothing about videogames are goign to decide their 'fate'... and we'll all whine about it, then just roll over and do as we're told. go democracy.
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I dont think its making tht sort of statement at all.
All of this crap the media, experts, and JackassThompson are saying that violence on tv, videogames, movies will desenstize ourselves to real violence is rediculous. I know that make believe violence is MAKEBELIEVE!!!!!!!!! I also know that real violence for the most part is not a good thing. I love the blood and gore and all of the other stuff that you can do in a game that you CANT or should not do in real life. You want to talk about the most violent piece of media ever created well.....how about the BIBLE or the KORAN...ever read them? They are filled with so much hate, violence, war, genocide whatever that it makes me sick. My 4 year old allready knows the difference between make believe on tv and the real world. Why does he know? because I have taught him. You see, I am his father, so he is MY responsibility. NOT the media. Tootles
in terms of what this video is saying it's just 'dont carry knives cos people die'... and that's unlike in videogames. but it is still linking popping out and killing someone with having been 'brainwashed' by videogames.
this video was mostly made because of all the knife crime in the uk lately with loads of people being killed due to stabbings with knifes and police have had a knife annesty to take all knifes off people and crap and this is just saying that it isnt a game and you dont have a second chance in real life like you do in a game or anything its not implenting that a violent video game will cause you to do crime
I am glad they made this because games are getting worse and worse about blood and violence. To some ppl this can be a healthy way to relive stress but for those who take it the wrong way it can mean that they feel that this is there real life and they can do whatever they want.
everybody gets it back wards violence video games were inspired by violence behavior not the other way around
i think that this video was made not to say 'yeah video games cause violence' but instead to say exactly what is said at the end 'carrying a knife is not a game' since there's been way too many kids getting stabbed here in the uk in the last few weeks, they should be blaming it on 'chav' culture but the police wont do anything about them
When will people understand that Video Games are not what cause violence? Games are going through the same process Rap and Rock music, and Movie and Televisions went through. I just hope it ends soon because im just hating Hilary Clinton and Jack Tompson. By the way, the video was CG including the begining and the part where kid gets stabbed, and the part where the lady cries while the ambulance is saving him right? I thought it looks good if it is.
If games caused people to murder each other, than crime, including murder would be on the rise. Since the 80's crime, including murder, has been significantly going down. This is also the time that games have been exponentially more violent and realistic. So by this association, one could easily say that violent games have caused the murder rate to go down because people have an outlet for violence other than RL ( real life).
13, 15, 16 and 19 understood the videos message.. the rest of your are retarded.. even QJ/KJM p.s. Down with Chavs
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The video is actually funny. And video games don't induce crime.
The kid was already stupid. Why punish everyone else by trying to ban games and make stupid excuses for doing so. They put all this effort into making this and it is the most dumb idea. I can tell they really know nothing about real people and video games. Back in the day before video games people were doing the same things. Back then it was frying bugs with a magnifying glass or avoiding the bully who took ones lunch money. Go to Arizona where it is legal to walk around with a gun strapped to your hip. Maybe people would be less inclined to hurt someone else if they see someone with a gun to protect themself.
for the people who say playing GTA doesn't make THEM want to kill someone well...NOT EVERYONE IS THE SAME AS YOU!!
You model ppl in the sims and do what you will to them to blow of steam? LMAO OMG, someone needs to get out of the house a little more. :P
but if they get out off that house they might kill someone to get there anger out
Ok that is total bs people blame GTA for just about everything they do. Bob: I killed someone because i thought it was ok to kill because of GTA. Judge: Another dumbass ok well lets try and sue Rockstar games
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