wtf

god this world is wierd and definently the japs

Hmm

The article has a fairly good point, thcheif dosent..

So which is it?

In an article up on the PSP section you guys said the exact opposite. The Japanese devs were concerned that the PS3 was overpriced and wouldn't sell. Make up your damn minds!

Hahah

Haha yeah. Comes to really show you that NOBODY knows what they're talking about anymore.

wow, that's really cool!

I was wondering what the japanese devs would think about the wii and the ps3, this is so great! If japanese devs think ps3 will make it, than ps3 will make it because jap devs are gonna make games for it lol, jap devs cannot be wrong because if they think the console won't sell they won't make games for it and without games it doesn't sell ( M$ lost money with the original xbox, lack of games ), and if they say it'll sell, they start making games for it and then the system sell ( lots of games, like the ps2 with now more than 100 000 000 ps2 sold ). So I think they are right, the ps3 will sell =D ps: at least one, because I'll get one, lol

PS3 will dominate..

Wii is crap and so is the xbox360..PS3 is the real king....IT HAS BETER GRAPHICS THEN BOTH WII AND 360 COMBINED...WII IS A BABY SYSTEM THAT NO ONE WILL BUY BECOUSE ITS CRAPP...The 360 isnt even worth the money. PS3 WILL WIN.

@6

Oh yes, based entirely off the graphics that the PS3 puts out, it'll TOTALLY dominate the gaming market *sarcasm*.

Wii will redefine gaming forever

Wii is gonna shine in glorry and no matter what these idiots say its not gonna change any thing. Wii will rule

JR and SR High Schoolers

When did JR and SR High Schoolers make enough money to buy a $600 PS3? And why do they think that they won't like using a Wiimote? I just hope that SquareEnix and Namco don't over support PS3, find out its not selling and then mess up their companies because they lost too much money.

brainless

lets make a rule to educated posts only please..in coment to 7 year old ps3 and barney fanboy # 6 (above)..when you use crap to define systems i think you are also defining your iq level..

don't listen to it.

I love how everyone says "$600 PS3" denoting the bare minimum MSRP of the better version of the console. It's gonna be $700 people... because most people will get an extra controller and a game. Let's not forget tax. Oh and how about 2 games? $750. 3 games? $800. FOR A GAME CONSOLE. Get real, Sony.

to #11

games aren't going to be $50 for the PS3. We'll be lucky if they are not more than $60.

oh ....god...no...

in the next years....i hope to god they don't start with the "pay for chapters" idea...20 bucks for a 5 hour gameplay chapter? no thanks. "hopefully we can ruduce that cost" and what? Have the ones who buy the game on day one have to wait weeks on end to get past lvl 5? Bastards.

grrrrr *****in n0bheds

"Oh and how about 2 games? $750. 3 games? $800. FOR A GAME CONSOLE. Get real, Sony" ffs its not just a damn games console!! its a multi-media machine for gods sake. it doesnt just play games you know. considering your $800 gets u a computer that plays blu-ray media, dvd media, cd media, blu ray games, dvd games, cd games, ps1,2+3 games, you can connect it to your psp and share files, connect to the internet and use a web browser, download extra content for games like xb live, hell you can even use the console 2 smack some1 on the head with it its that big. people, you all need to start actually looking at whats in the box before you decide $600 is too much. Its like when you buy a decent tv, you have to evaluate what you get for the price compared to other tv's, and nobody seems to be doing that.

oh...forgot one thing

just to continue from my statement from above, the price in the uk for the 60gig version with all the added extras cost £425. right, thats £145 more than the 360 premium pack ok, but before you all go "omg £145 more, what a *****in rip off", considering that extra dosh gives me hdmi, blu-ray, 60 gig hdd (which i can detach and insert my own bigger hdd if need be)and BUILT IN wireless internet access, all of which 360 hasnt got or i would have to pay extra for, then id say it was pretty good deal, on a par with the 360. but of course none of you will agree with me because some of you lack any logical sense to see any of this and are too busy humping your fave console

to #6

In practice, PS3 has the same graphics as the 360, and you don't know what the Wii is capable of! You never played a game and you don't know the specs! How can you say that? PS3 = Wii + 360 you'r right! if you'r talkin' 'bout the price of course... Anyhow: I DONT CARE the Wii doesn't sell good! That's NOT affecting my buy... Wired Sony jap fanboys SUCK BAD

Sony has gotten stupid

People can forgive a weird name, but they can't forgive people who take money out of their pockets! Wii might have made a minor mistake with naming the console Wii (i don't think so though) but if that's the case, Sony made a gigantic mistake when they open their mouths with the prices (and everytime they open their mouths and talk about Nintendo and how they are for kids only)

to #14/#15

OK, I've decided that I'll buy the PS3 and then throw away my PC because the PS3 does "exactly"(not really)the same, and waist 700/800$! *end of sarcasm* PS3 is going down... Get over it fanboys!

oh ....god...no...

in the next years....i hope to god they don't start with the "pay for chapters" idea...20 bucks for a 5 hour gameplay chapter? no thanks. "hopefully we can ruduce that cost" and what? Have the ones who buy the game on day one have to wait weeks on end to get past lvl 5? Bastards.

>> to #18

that wasnt even sarcastic, infact its pretty *****in stupid. how can you label anyone a fanboy with the way you talk with the over-exagerated sarcasm about the ps3 and its price. its people like you that are too stupid to see what a console actually does for the price. people like you just the the price and go crying to microsoft/nintendo. "...throw away my PC because the PS3 does "exactly"(not really)the same, and waist 700/800$!" so hang on, where in any of my statement did i say it was a pc?? if your going to say that, then you should throw away your 360 too. If you think im a sony fanboy, fine, ***** you, i dont give two *****s. what i do give two *****s about is people making stupid thoughtless comments about a system and its price without actaully looking at what you get.

Just give me good games.

None of the features that the PS3 touts are worth anything to me. Why would I want a dumbed down PC when I can open up my laptop and do everything and more on that? Now if they got rid of all the pointless extra's and just concentrated on its strong point (It's sheer power), then that would make more sense. I realy realy want the Wii to do well. But to be honest, all I care about is that I get great games. I don't give a crap what system they are on.

>>#21

"Why would I want a dumbed down PC when I can open up my laptop and do everything and more on that?" why bother buying a console then if your laptop can do everything a PS3 can do and more. to me there'd be no point spending money on a ps3/360/wii if your laptop can already produce better results, and most games that appear on these consoles are available for the pc and are cheaper on pc too. the whole reason the ps3/360/wii add features like blu-ray/hd-dvd/wiimote etc is to give the consoles an extra dimension over pc's, to give them that bit of "wow" factor . all games consoles ever have been are barebones pc's intended for gaming in a nice shiny case. But if you've got a pc that does all the ps3/360/wii stuff then why bother wasting your money, stick with your pc

regarding the Wii

i don't think the developer meant that teenagers wouldn't get the Wii because of it's controller, but they wouldn't get the Wii because of it's *content*, which, we should all know by now, is the reason why we play video games. from what i've seen announced for the Wii, Nintendo is at it again with their bright and colorful, Disney-esque games, which will alienate just as many people as it may bring in. being a teenager is hard (or at least, i remember it being hard, it's been a long time since i was in high school), and being in high school is one gigantic popularity contest. when the "cool" kids hear the "not cool" kids talking about going home and playing with their Wii's, ridicule will follow. however, if the "not cool" kids talk about going home and playing with their Playstation 3 or X Box 360, the "cool" kids will stop short. stupid, yes, but that's the way it is in high school. basically, what he's saying is that, due to social and peer pressure, the tweens and teens may not want to purchase a Wii for fear of being outcast. to those that talk ***** about Japanese developers: do you like Metal Gear Solid? Castlevania? Contra? Silent Hill? Ninja Gaiden? Tekken?Final Fantasy? Dragon Quest? Virtua Fighter? Street Fighter? Ghouls N' Ghosts? Lumines? Resident Evil? The Legend of Zelda? Mario? i could go on, but i think you should get my point by now. not to undermine some of the American and European developers and publishers, but some (you could argue *most*) of the most revered and respected gaming series in the history of video games. it could be argued that the Japanese *made* gaming what it is today (the Sony Playstation, created by Japanese men and women is the most recognized gaming platform in the world), so i think they deserve some respect and consideration when they speak. thanks. p.s. and calling them "Japs," doesn't seem to fit in that respect category.

Sony seems kind of arrogant

I don't are if the ps3 sales or not but right now sony seems kind of arrogant. They are saying that it will be hard for third party developers to make games for the Wii but they are wrong because developers that are making games for all three systems say Wii is the easiest and the most fun to develop for. They even say that Wii games are more developed and have things that the other consoles won't have. Sony also said that Middle School and High School students will not buy it but most of the people on these forums are middle school and high school students. If you looked at any of the polls for fanboy websites Wii is the most anticipated console. At E3 many people said that they would rather buy a Wii because it is a 'true' gaming system. For most of you PS3 fans that are saying that you would buy a PS3 because its a Multimedia center, the 360 and the Wii are also Multimedia centers. The 360 can do everything the PS3 can except play blu-ray movies (which isn't even popular now and won't be for another 5 years since hddvd came out and by then there will be new consoles that will use blu-ray discs). The Wii will also be able to play movies, games, go online (it has a opera browser), play music and look at photos (because it has sd card slots), and much more. It will also have services that will let you download games from past nintendo consoles and download new updates for Nintendo Wii games. Shigeru Miyamato even said that the Wii will have a simple program where amateurs can make their own game and upload it to a p2p service (that will also be in the Wii) so you can share with people all around the world. Nintendo also just patented a messaging service so you can talk with your friends online while you are playing a game. The Wii is gonna have a bunch of other ***** too but with the new innovative gameplay Nintendo will be a tough rival in this 'next gen war'. Those japanese developers do not know what they are talking about. The Wii also has GPU and CPU that are new to the market so we do not know what the Wii is capable of. In Conclusion, a 360 and a Wii can do everything a PS3 can at a lower price (except play blu-ray movies, but nobody cares about that right now). Some of the games that people were excited about for the PS3 now are going to be on the 360 so now people could play the same game at a lower price. Wii60 rules!!!!!

@22

hum.. I suppose you only play wagames and shooters right? no? them tell me, where did you see an RPG on PC ?, where did you see a stealth game like MGS on a PC? where did you see horror games like Resident evil on a PC ? PC games are crap but shooters( unreal ), wargames(warcraft) and strat. games ( civilization 4 ). But the opposite isn't totally right, I mean you can't play a wargame nor a strat. game on a console ( never try that ), but shooter on the PS3 is cool, because we can simply plug our USB mouse&keyboard. But anyway I don't like PC games, I only play wargames and strat. games on a PC and anyway I don't pay them... And 500$ is not a big deal!! we paid what, 300$ for a ps2/xbox ? 200$ more for the things you get is way greater than make it appart, I mean they could've sell some features appart, but then the devs could not know how they should use the features that "can" be there. Anyway, for the ps2 you had to buy an HDD and a network adapter if you wanted to play FFXI. I think having all we need already in the box is way better. Anyway PS3 will sell because they said so! why? because they make games, and they make them for a selling system, if they think PS3 will sell and make titles for it, then the titles will sell the console, so they decide! I suppose the ps3 will sell then. for the wii.... it's hard to tell, anyway I won't buy one, it's not my thing... I want stories, not hack&slash action... ps: stop complaining you stupids PC fans this is a console forum/blog, if you like that much your PC why are you reading and even answering the posts? get a life!

regarding the Wii

i don't think the developer meant that teenagers wouldn't get the Wii because of it's controller, but they wouldn't get the Wii because of it's *content*, which, we should all know by now, is the reason why we play video games. from what i've seen announced for the Wii, Nintendo is at it again with their bright and colorful, Disney-esque games, which will alienate just as many people as it may bring in. being a teenager is hard (or at least, i remember it being hard, it's been a long time since i was in high school), and being in high school is one gigantic popularity contest. when the "cool" kids hear the "not cool" kids talking about going home and playing with their Wii's, ridicule will follow. however, if the "not cool" kids talk about going home and playing with their Playstation 3 or X Box 360, the "cool" kids will stop short. stupid, yes, but that's the way it is in high school. basically, what he's saying is that, due to social and peer pressure, the tweens and teens may not want to purchase a Wii for fear of being outcast. to those that talk ***** about Japanese developers: do you like Metal Gear Solid? Castlevania? Contra? Silent Hill? Ninja Gaiden? Tekken?Final Fantasy? Dragon Quest? Virtua Fighter? Street Fighter? Ghouls N' Ghosts? Lumines? Resident Evil? The Legend of Zelda? Mario? i could go on, but i think you should get my point by now. not to undermine some of the American and European developers and publishers, but some (you could argue *most*) of the most revered and respected gaming series in the history of video games. it could be argued that the Japanese *made* gaming what it is today (the Sony Playstation, created by Japanese men and women is the most recognized gaming platform in the world), so i think they deserve some respect and consideration when they speak. thanks. p.s. and calling them "Japs," doesn't seem to fit in that respect category.

Just for kids

If the wii is for kids then count me in for buying it. I'd rather feel like a kid again. The fact of the matter is Wii stole E3. The wait for the ps3 was 20 to 30 minutes long compared to 4 to 5 hour wait for the wii. Wii caused a stampede after word got out about it. When was the last time a console caused a stampede at E3? Why is ps3 getting all this negative buzz and the only real neagive buzz wii is getting is on it's name? Graphics aren't everything and people that can't see that will be losing out on a word called fun. You can call Nintendo a kidde console all you want, but it still won't stop the steam they have behind them right now. If you can't see that Nintendo stands a damn good chance this round you are blind, deaf, or just stupid. I'm not saying the ps3 won't do well. What I am saying is the consumer will speak in the next few years with his or her money. I speak for the Wii because, I can buy alot more software and play it in a whole new way. Last of all but not least the ds lite is kicking ass in the market right now. The ds can speak for just how the wii could sell. If you don't know why then you haven't played ds morons.

agree with 27

There was bunch of negative buzz about the ds too but Nintendo has sold more ds's in Japan than the psp worldride. There have been a lot sold in the united states and other countries respectively. Everybody I know that got a psp returned it because it was a load of crap (haha....yes im laughing at you number 6). Sony was so arrogant that they thought they could take the handheld market from Nintendo just like they are arrogant with the PS3.

the lead

Some of you act like Microsoft has this huge jump ahead but they really don't. MS has sold almost 4 million XBox 360's in since November 2005. Let's give Sony the benefit of the doubt for a second and assume they'll meet their 4 million target by Christmas 2006. Do any of you really believe that Sony won't sell every single one of these units? Now when you throw Nintendo into the mix, more than anything they're system will steal sales from potential XBox 360 buyers. Sony's system won't be widely available and all the ones bought up will be pre-orders so people looking for a system as a gift this fall probably won't be competing for the PS3 this year. All I'm saying is realistically Microsoft will have sold a few more XBox 360's than Sony's PS3 entering 2007. But if Sony continues to meet their projections (and that is a maybe) don't consider Microsoft the winner just yet. Their lead is a very small one.

the more things change...

were any of you guys around for the SNES/Genesis war? or even the N64/PS1\Saturn war? Nintendo was the *****iest, most arrogant company out there. arrogance isn't the only thing that will lead to a companies downfall. it's arrogance, and underestimating your opponents. but an added thing in the gaming market, is alienating your s3rd party support. Nintendo was arrogant. yes. they underestimated their opponent (Sony). yes. they alienated their third party developers. yes. and that last one is what ultimately lead to their getting dethroned. let's look at Sony. arrogant. yes. underestimates their opponents. not so much (they do seem to respect Microsoft, they just think that they're better), so maybe a sort of. alientated their third party developers. no. despite the $500 and $600 price tags, 3rd party developers are still strongly supporting the PS3 (and especially the Japanese developers who refuse to touch a Microsoft console), with projects on the Wii and 360 to offset any high cost of developing a PS3 title. well, why would a developer *do* that? create a game on a costly to develop for console, that is priced much higher than gamers are used to? a few reasons: 1) The Playstation 1: It sold 100 million units. it's competition barely sold a quarter of that. not much to say there. 2) The Playstation 2: It sold 100 million units, and *counting*. it's competition sold 25 million units (both GC and X Box). even combined, the GC and X Box only totaled *half* of the overall sales of the PS2. 3) The gaming market isn't just 10 and 12 year olds anymore. out of, say, 150 million gamers in the world (based off of the combined sales of PS2, X Box and GC units), the average gamer is between the ages of 18 and 30. if we're to take average at 50%, maybe 60%, 80 million gamers are over the age of 18. since the PS2 has the largest gaming library, and is also arguably the most recognized brand associated with gaming, i'd wager that at least 60 million gamers out of that 80 million gamers own PS2s. with the other 20 million owning a GC, X Box, or all 3 systems. those 60 million people probably owned a PS1 also back when they were younger, and they will probably want a PS3. regardless of cost. Sony is only shipping 2 million PS3s worldwide at launch. even if only *half* of that 60 million people want, and can afford a $500, $600 PS3, only 2 million will be available this November, and another 2 million by years end. that leaves (if only half of 60 mil want the system), 26 million people having to wait until 2007 before they may be able to pick up a system. and since i doubt Microsoft will have 26 million 360's ready by years end (i'm thinking they'll have around 5), and assuming that some of that 26 million want a next gen system *now*, i see those 5 million selling out, but the remaining 21 million people will still be out in the cold (the Wii doesn't appeal to everybody, especially the die hard Sony fans), and having to wait to purchase a PS3 next year. conviently around the time of a price drop (i'm expecting by at least $50, and at most $100), and when some truly killer titles are out. remember, Sony isn't exclusively targeting a demographic that isn't used to video games (like the Wii). it's targeting us gamers. the people that made the console giant what it is. when those 21 million gamers that didn't purchase a 360 in 2006, and saved their pennies for a PS3 instead get wind of MGS4 and Final Fantasy XIII, their wallets will begin to open. not even counting the other 30 million gamers (remember, half of that 60 million we spoke of earlier weren't purchasing a PS3 at launch because of price) that willl be more enticed by a $500 premium, $400 core PS3, and the prospect of the above mentioned titles. taking all of that into consideration, i don't see the fall from grace that many others are predicting (and hoping from from the looks of things), for Sony. they've shown themselves to be one of the most forward thinking companies out there, and i'm sure everything that has transpired (from a "lac

whoops. ran too long.

anyway: (from a "lackluster" E3: i didn't think so), to "The Price" (rolls eyes) has been thought of and factored into Sony's plans. the biggest hurdle Sony had to overcome was the price announcment. now that that's over and done with, there isn't any forseeable bad news forthcoming. i mean, what could be worse than a $500, $600 price tag (which isn't nearly as bad as it seems when one sits down and considers everything going into the box, and how it will benefit gaming)? games aren't going to cost $100. even Sony knows that's suicide. so what else is there? either you accept the price for what it is and save money (like me). or you wait until next year and pick one up when the price drops (which we all know it will). i'm 100% sure that Sony can rustle up 2 to 4 million people (worldwide) that'll purchase a PS3 come November. i mean, there are 5 billion people on this planet, about 150 million of them are gamers. 100 million of those like Sony. they'll be fine.

Oh yeah.

Man I love news articles like this, it brings up the best in all of you people who actually seem to care what console "wins" I'd like to wait till the consoles actually come out before judging which one will win the supposed marketing war.

Nintendo had it all with NES.

It is time for some competition that is all.

>> no#30 + 31..oh n u senjutsu!!

i coudln't agree more with figboy. looking at the way ps1 and ps2 suceeded, its hard to see pass how ps3 can fail. As i work for Gamestation Stores in the UK, i can tell first hand exactly what console is more popular and which one sells. As a chain, we are still shifting more ps2 consoles than xbox 360's. It isn't a fanboy comment, its a fact within the business i work in. The Sony brand name is huge among gaming, if not probably the biggest name in gaming for the past 10years. The Playstation has always been marketed to the older generation (as stated by figboy, the 18-30 age group). Again, i see Nintendo suffer on a daily basis, as its viewed by the GENERAL public (not the hardcore gaming public) as being more of a kids alterative to the Playstation. The Gamecube suffered badly within the company i worked in, simply because it didnt appeal to people like ps2 or xbox. The names Sony and Microsoft are well known to people outside of gaming, Nintendo, still known greatly, but not to the extent as the previous two consoles. Fanboys seem to forget the whole bigger picture. All 3 consoles will succeed with variable amounts of success. To be honest, from judging what i see on a daily basis, i think the PS3 will be the market leader in console gaming once again, yet the gap will have been narrowed compared to the previous generation, with the 360 catching a larger chunk of the pie, and sadly i think the Wii will suffer. We have filled all pre-orders on the PS3 and have enough reserve names to last our company til well after xmas, we have only taken 3 pre-orders on Wii so far. And to be honest, it doesn't matter who "wins", we as gamers are the winners at the end of the day. We will all be getting HD gaming of the highest standard with PS3 and 360, and i completely new gaming experience with the Wii. Ijust hope at least one does well, otherwise im out of a job lol ...oh and senjutsu, i didn't say pc gaming was better than ps3 or 360. i merely responded to a sarcastic comment from some-one who said his laptop could do everything a ps3 can, so i answered back sarcasticly telling him to keep his pc and not bother with console gaming then. By the way, the PC is capable of stealth, horror games etc. Lets see, MGS was avialable on PC, silent hill series is available on PC, all sports titles available on consoles are available on PC (FIFA, Madden, Pro Evo, Virtua Tennis) RPG's?? last time i checked, the final fantasy's where available on PC, so too elder scrolls, neverwinter nights, world of warcraft, diablo, Knights of the old Republic 1 + 2.... have i made my point yet. And if your clever like me, you buy a usb adapter for a few pence and you can use a ps2 or xbox controller on your pc. Simple :-)

i agree

I totally agree what daz says

Wow Figboy

I agree with you %100. I just wish there more gamers like you, who take gaming to heart.

to # 33 &34

mr "yo mama" *coment 33 34*..do you remeber when you first tried to play basket ball? you missed your first shot..and the 2nd..mabey even the third..but by the time you got to number 4 you made the shot..nuff said nintendo should be comemorated for their valient atempts of "forwardness" in the past and judging from E3 i almost beleive that its safe to say nintendo has made the half court shot on this new consul ;-)

So...

That 100 million figure for PS2s is probably shipped, just like how they count their PSP "sales" to try and look like they're keeping up with the DS.

PS3 failed to me.

I think many people here or any place underrated the Wii. If Wii wasn't there, I would not even play on video games anymore. Playstation will become stale. Infact, for me, it is stale. It's still the same gameplay over over again with the same PS2 controller. To me, the PS3 is a PS2 in disguise. I played on PS2 last gen. It's over. Have fun with your last gen gameplay. I'm retiring from video games after Wii. The ideal console would be a PS3 powerful with Wii controller. And it's your godly Kojima who said that. He's damn right.

PAY FOR CHAPTERS !? ADS !??

If this happens...GAMES will be DOOMED !! I mean ...think if you get to end of game ...ERROR pay 10$ to continue !! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! pay 30$ in smash to use this char ! NO!!!!!!!!!!

ex sony fanboy, what happened to sony

people that don't think price is going to be a factor are kidding themselves. sure PS3 is powerful, and games that are exclusive to ps3 and intend to always be exclusive may even have better graphics than a 360. but multiiplatform games will not look better at all on PS3 because that would mean extra cost. game companies won't invest extra money to make a game look a little bit better on the PS3. don't think that developers won't jump ship if sony doesn't do will. squaresoft is almost single handedly responsible for what the playstation became. if square would have stuck with n64 i think things would be alot different now. developers will develop more for console that are selling well. is sony starts losing any market share at all, then that means the other 2 consoles are making up ground. the way that sony is so arogant is making me want to see them fail. if the ipod started selling for $600 would it be succesful? and if they made you buy a other extra's at 2-3 times more money that the other audio players? i don't think so. if the only thing a 360 can't do is play blu ray movies, then why spend $200-$300 more on a PS3? gamers are smart and if they rebel against sony and start supporting the other consoles the game makers will be force to switch support to the other consoles. my last point is sony has always hated lowering there console prices. in fact sony made a statement earlier this year and said the PS3 would never be cheaper, it would always stay at the price it came out at. microsoft also made a similiar comment. but say the PS3 does price drop. if you do the math based on the percentage the PS2 has dropped price since it came out, then you find that at the very end of the PS3's life it will still set you back $287. $13 cheaper than a 360 standard, and $only $113 cheaper than a 360 premium, and thats only if the $360 never drops the price. its $37 more than a Wii cost when it comes out, if it even comes out at the high end at $250. if it comes out at $199 which is highly likely then it will be $89 more than what the Wii cost on release day and by the end of the Wii's life I would be shocked if they aren't selling at the price of Gamecube, which is $99. The price thing is scary. nintendo has never had a media format succeed because they are more expensive every time. and every console that has had this high of price has failed. i am sure sony will suceed to an extent, but there market share will never again be dominant like the PS2 was.

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I have to agree with Juanito here, for me the price is one of the bigger factors to keep in mind when deciding on what console to buy, I am far too lazy to get a job or do anything of that sort, so all I have is aproximate 3 years of allowance I've saved up, because I never buy anything; and apparently I am recieving college funds these days. Now normally I wouldn't really bother with the console wars and all, as the last console I've had and really enjoyed was the Snes, but something about the Wii makes me happy again, be it dancing Miyamoto, be it the games we can expect for it, Nintendo's exclusives have always done it for me; and the only reason I'd like Sony to screw up is so that old franchises that started out on Nintendo will somehow find their way back on it. I'll still wait for the console release and see what happens though, shouting how your console will "win teh war" because it's better or whatever doesn't make you sound any more intelligent (Unless you bring out world-wide statistics and all that to see popularity ratings and things like that) Neo headin out'

So...

Xbox developers: Developing for the PS3 is too costly and the PS3 will never sell. PS3 developers: The PS3 WILL sell. Who do you believe?

>> no#43 (juanito again)

you've got to remember sony aren't marketing this as a "games console" but a sort of inbetween pc/games console. You can browse the net, view photos and print them, view certain documents and print them, chat online, buy online and view other multi-media things, while it also plays HD games, HD movies, music, dvds, ps1 and 2 games. Sony *****ed up with marketing it as a PC, infact it was a pretty big ***** up to market the PS3 as that. They should have just labelled it as a Multi-media entertainment system, a system that does things a pc, dvd player, blu ray player, cd player and games console can do. And as for games companies not spending more to develop on PS3 to make games slightly better, then why did they do it for xbox in the xbox/ps2 war? Infact what most companies did (i personally know eidos and team liverpool did this) was to develop the game to the specifics of the xbox, then downgrade the game slightly for the ps2 version so it would remain compatible. and as for squaresoft single handidly making the playstation brand what it is? thats rubbish, sorry but it is. The final Fanatsy series may have been an over-whelming success, both in japan, europe and america, but there where titles in the ps1 days that came along way before final fantasy did, which built up the ps1 to its massive heights. im talking about games like tomb raider, wipeout, resident evil, metal gear solid, gta, crash bandicoot) and especially in the uk, the EA sports titles remained a huge success for the playstation brands and to this day they do, with FIFA 2006 selling probably the best within Gamestation stores on the ps2/psp format than any other console. The Playstation IS a massive global brand. its involved in everything and everywhere. You only have to walk into a video games shop and see the amount of space the Playstation gets within a store to see its massive. Its too big for it to even the ps3 to fail. It may lose its market share (which i have no doubt it will when compared to the ps2/xbox/gamecube era), but we are talking about Sony remember, they have launched 3 consoles before, they virtually killed the dreamcast single handidly and there one (if not, THE) biggest electrical company in the world. They ain't as stupid as many fanboys seem to think, and lets face it, who are any of us to tell a multi-million pound company how to do things??

....sony will easily win.

lets just look at the sales potenial... by the end of january 2006, Microsoft had sold 1.5 million 360's WORLDWIDE. thats since November 2005... Sony are going to have 2million ps3's sold in the launch window and another 2million by the year end... so over 4 million by the end of January. Thats MORE THAN Twice the number of 360's microsoft managed to sell in the same time frame. At that rate Sony will over take the 360 in another six months or less.

someone is drinking Sony Kool Aid

number 47 how is the kool aid from Sony anyway. Drink it up pal you might find yourself a little dissapointed in the end.

@ daz #14

But I don't want a multi-media system (I have a Mac already). I just want a games console!!! Sony's forcing any PS3 buyers to pay a premium for content many won't want. Blu-Ray is a forced format change that the average consumer doesn't want. This multi-media hub is a pile of bull conceived by a company intent on propriety formats due to its fear of the internet and current open digital media (remember the rootkit fiasco).

Affordable gaming

I love the idea of PS3, and I love the Idea of the Wiimote but why will gamers pay such crazy amounts of money for such a powerhouse system??? I mean really, If we continue to pay 600-800 bucks on a console, the Corperations will continue to jack up the prices. Look as ps2 and xbox I remember when the PS2 sold for $200 and the xbox price was slightly higher at $250, when the corperations saw the people will pay more money for a new release system with slightly higher specs they decided to up the prices some more, and this is the predicament we are in now. I love the PS3 but I am not willing to pay such a high amount for it. I love the xbox360 but its way too pricy. I'm gonna buy a wii for the innovative control and price, but the other two consoles beat the wii hands down. My point is, if you are going to buy a PS3 or Xbox 360, don't pay their rediculous prices, cuz this only lets Sony and M$ see that their market of gamers with limited funds will shell out large amounts of cash and allows them to be in control of the market. Gamers are consumers Lets Take Back Affordable Gaming!!!!!!!

F****** Idiots

Hey #49 does your Mac have a Blu- Ray drive, nex gen graphics chip, or a next gen processing chip you F****** idiot. Another thing, putting Blu-Ray in the PS3 also gives people a choice. With $1000 Blu-Ray players the PS3 is cheap and is also a game console. Blu-Ray is truly the future. It is backed by major Hollywood movie companies and has room for next gen graphics. Get things straight before you shoot off your F****** mouth you dumb B****.

ok...

if sony is doing so good then why are they taking out $700 million dollar loans, you don't take out a loan if you don't need it. blu ray and PS3 development costs where incredibly high. if blu ray loses the format war then the future of sony could become alot less secure. can someone show me a time sony has had a media format that did well? umd is getting pulled out of stores at a super fast pace, minidisc, was a joke, i could keep going, its been literally going on for almost 25 years in the US. i have seen hd-dvd players for as little as $350 already. sony's official blu ray player is still scheduled to come out at $1,500, do the math. people aren't stupid and will save the $1,150 dollars. even if you buy a blu ray player for $1,000, thats a $650 difference.hd-dvd has as much support from film companies if not more than blu ray. most people that don't get in the internet and do research will automaticlly buy hd-dvd thinking it is the logical upgrade to dvd, don't underestimate the power of the word dvd. alot of people are happy with dvd and don't see a reason to upgrade. i am completely fine with dvd quality and so are most people. and people that swear sound unprofessional and it makes you sound like someone with such a small vocabulary that you resort o using swear words. so if you want us to respect what you say maybe you should say it in a nice way rather than using swear words.

eh

The Wii will have it's 15 minutes of fame. I see myself sick of swinging a remote around to play games sooner rather than later. Nintendo will retain their niche market.

hmmm

the way i see it, i'd much rather have a new format, than, say, have my favorite games publishers and movie studios go out of business due to piracy, and i have no games or movies to watch at all. come on, people, think things through. piracy is single handedly destroying various industries, from music, to movies, to video games. if there is a continued rise in piracy, as internet connections get faster and more stable, there will be less people actually purchasing these games, movies, and music, meaning that the game companies will be making less money, and less money means they won't be able to truly make some kickass games, music, and movies (the average budget of a movie nowadays is $100 million. where do you guys think that comes from? the sky? it's us). games like MGS4, Final Fantasy XIII, and movies like Spider-Man 3 and Superman Returns wouldn't be what they are if the studios only had $2 to put into it. Blu Ray is being "forced" on us, because a large number of people have taken it onto themselves to pirate things and, instead of keeping it to themselves, they've shared it over the internet. as a direct result, movie studios approached the leading electronic manufacturers (ie, Sony and Toshiba), to create a new format that would be very difficult, if not impossible, to pirate. hence the birth of HD DVD and Blu Ray. since HD DVD is very similar to DVD, there is a chance that it could be pirated easier than Blu Ray. since Sony created Blu Ray, and they could make a *****load of money from licensing fees (and it didn't cost nickels to make Blu Ray to begin with), they're going to pimp the hell out of it. developers are safer, because they don't have to worry about their games being instantly ripped and distributed across the internet the day of release (i saw The Movies, the Path of Neo, Call of Duty 2, etc, all on torrent sites immediately after release), if there is a more secure format out there. if Sony hadn't been the creator of Blu Ray, would many of you still be so against it? from what i've been reading across the net lately, probably. it seems that a lot of people are projecting their biases and hatred of Sony onto Blu Ray simply because it's a Sony product, even though Blu Ray actually helps to preserve our industry (at least for a time: hackers are clever bastards), and that's what matters most to me (of course, the fact that i work at Obsidian Entertainment means i have a personal stake in the future of the games industry, so i may have a little bias). like i said before, i'd much rather have a new format which can and most likely will benefit gaming, than not have video games at all due to rampant piracy.

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ps3 is mor grat

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microsoft looked into the piracy thing, they had a company research it for them. in a worst case scenario, they are not even losing 1 in 10 games, it was a fraction of 1. so is piracy hurting them? sometimes, i'm sure it does. not all people that download a game would have bought it anyways. the main thing that perhaps hurts game companies is if they make a crappy game it doesn't really sell anymore. people try it and find that it sucks so they don't buy it. people that download games also buy games. so if anything its the movie and game companies wanting to make more money, then them facing going out of business. people hate copy protection, galactic civilizations II came out and advertised no copy protection and its sells are crushing the previous games because people are buying it to support a company not copy protecting a game, don't even have to have the disc in the cd rom drive. by the way blu ray and hd-dvd movies got cracked yesterday, saw it on some website. so you can copy any blu ray or hd-dvd movie. yeah all that money went real far. as long as copy protection exists there will be some smarter that will hack it.i am not supporting any of this stuff, but giving facts. also blu ray forcing you to use a certain technology to view the disc to its full potential is a joke, so if you don't have the newest hd tv's then you won't even be able to watch the movie at anything better than dvd quality. this is the kind of reasons people do this sort of thing. piracy would go down if companies would stop being stupid. prices of games goes up, cd's shouldn't cost $17 or $18, if music cd's where $10 people would start buying cd's. these companies have done it to themselves. napster was originally started by a group of people that asked the music industry to lower prices of cd's, they told them they loved making the money they were and would never lower the prices. napster started the downloading thing after that. so i guess if you are going to blame someone you should blame the music people that kinda got the ball rolling.

What was the topic again??

Oh yeah, the 3s outselling the Wiis. I wouldn't 'mind' getting a Wii, like I wouldn't 'mind' getting a free $5 gas-card. The only reason a Wii doesn't entice me nearly as much as the other two consoles is that the GameCube never had anything I wanted to play; kind of like how Hollywood is losing money, not all from piracy, but because they're not putting out any movies I want to watch. Nintendo has lost a lot of developers over the years; most of them moved to Sony during the PS1/N64 years. I really, really hope that Nintendo gets more support from 3rd parties. I'd hate to see the Wiimote turn into another gimmick like the 'Power Pad' or 'Power Glove'. (Yeah, I'm old school. I grew up on the NES) The system with the most games will sell. End of story.

yup

they need to make a video card for pc's that would play ps 3 x-box games i dont care what it cost id buy it