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Enterbrain mag says PS3 to outsell Xbox 360 and Wii

Posted Oct 14, 2006 at 1:00AM EST by QJ Staff

Listed in: PS3, Wii, Xbox 360 Tags: Enterbrain, Japan, Sony

Enterbrain, one of the top video games magazines in Japan, predicts global victory for the PS3 in the upcoming next-gen console war. However, the magazine also said it's not going to be an instant success.

Enterbrain President Hirokazu Hamamura believes the PS3 will start at the bottom. "The PS3 will have a tough time globally at the initial stage. Its launch titles in Japan and exclusive software titles overseas are quite limited," he says. But the year 2010 will be PS3's year, if the magazine's forecast is accurate, thanks to its realistic graphics, which will give it a long-term competitive edge.

"It will stay competitive even when a game console battle breaks out among a newer generation of machines in 2010. Sales should grow every time Sony cuts prices," according to the publisher.

The magazine also predicts 4.13 million PS3 consoles will be snapped by consumers worldwide by March 2007 against 5.47 million units of Wii. But by the end of 2009, the global sales scorecard will be:

PS3: 34 million units
Xbox 360: 28 million units
Wii: 25 million units

Via Washington Post

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Looks at the specs you idiot. The CPU and GPU of Lindbergh is less powerful than the CPU and GPU of the 360. The GPUs of both the 360 and PS3 are similar in power, therefore it's the extra floating point power of the Cell processor which makes the PS3 slighly more powerful than the 360 overall.

So, either you've copied this from that other idiot imkro, or you are imkro, but whoever you are, stop posting this nonsense when it has nothing to do with the topic!

# *Yaaawwwnnnn* — Guest 2006-10-14 05:10

Next time, before spending so much time on a post, try thinking of something worth saying, instead of ranting like a little kid.

I'm 100% PS3, but I like other consoles too.

# Gameplay huh? — Guest 2006-10-14 05:15

I can;t wait to play Zelda back in good ol Atari 2600 graphics WOW that beats the hell out of graphics like GTA or Crysis huh? Cause when a game has good graphics it automaticly sucks and has no gameplay I'm gonna go ***** a Wii cause me a fanboy with no brain!

# rofl — Guest 2006-10-14 05:29

stop comparing theoretical power. It doesn't mean crap. I bet you guys just look at which number is higher rofl and have no clue as to what they mean. "Hey look if PS3 has 7 SPEs and 360 only got 3, therefore PS3 HAS to be 2x powerful."

Freaking Idiots

# Imposible!!! — Guest 2006-10-14 05:33

Theres no way that there can be that many ps3s by march of 07. That guy forgot that there will be PS3 shortages 2. >.>

# hmm — Guest 2006-10-14 05:35

i dont know about this it will take something just short of a miracle for me to even to think about buying one and god knows what to broaden its audience to an outcome of 34 milllion units.

# What a Dumbass — Guest 2006-10-14 05:37

"All the ppl who are not moronic know that Half Life 2 was x10 times better made than Halo 2 %u2013 it%u2019s just a fact"

WOW, you ignorance amazes me... nothing in that post was FACT, that was all your opinion, whi btw proves nothing about how MS is bad, but how you dislikes consoles... you can't even argue a point correctly let alone type cohearently

you lose!

# Windows Me (WTF) — _Mazza_ 2006-10-14 05:38

Abbreviated Windows Millennium Edition, XP stands for eXPerience. All names sound stupid if you think about it. Macintosh, Walkman, Toshiba Satellite, VW Golf or even iPod. Please think before posting instead of posting a load of crap.

# hmm — Guest 2006-10-14 05:39

hmm its true by 2010 costs will drop alot and ps3 will win

# Hmmm — Guest 2006-10-14 05:42

I hope you were not addressing me with that comment cerberus414, because I'm not SIMPLY comparing specs, I go by what I've read from developers, and THEY same the GPUs of the 360 and PS3 are roughly equal, and most say the PS3 does have a floating-point advantage, with the CPU of the 360 having an advantage for general code.

Here's one such example;

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/704/704524p2.html

"Magnus Högdahl: The PS3 will have a content size advantage with Blu-ray and a CPU advantage for titles that are able to utilize a lot of the SPUs. The Xbox 360 has a slight GPU advantage and its general purpose triple-core CPU is relatively easy to utilize compared to SPUs. I expect that it will be near impossible to tell Xbox 360 and PS3 screenshots apart."

I agree that you can't just look at the specs and make assumptions based upon numbers, hence my enthasist is on what the developers say, not the numbers.

# Oh and, just to clarify. — Guest 2006-10-14 05:49

When I say "look at the specs", I'm talking about the hardware, not numbers. Lindbergh features a 3.0 Ghz Pentium processor, which I think we all can agree doesn't have the floating-point power of the CPUs of the 360 or PS3. It also features an older GPU from NVidia, which is not as powerful as the GPUs in the 360 and PS3.

Lindbergh may have a memory advantage over the next-gen consoles (I can't remember exactly how much at present), but this is about power, where Lindbergh is clearly behind both the 360 and PS3.

# very possible — Guest 2006-10-14 05:54

if sony can make 4.13 million by march 07, they will sell 4.13 million by march 07. And then they will launch in europe and get another boost in sales.

MS should have sold more systmes by now, but they took jan, feb and some of march off in 2006. Sony won't do the same.

And remember, there isn't a terriory where the people just won't flat out buy a PS3, like the Japanese won't buy a 360.

Hang on to your hats, the race is on 1117!!!

Seriously though, does it really matter who wins??? The competition seems much tighter this gen and that only benefits us, the gamers. All you haters need to realize this... All 3 companies, well maybe just the 360 and PS3 (sorry what the wii is for kids and grandparents) are pushing each other to put out the best products possible. Enjoy!!!

# ... — Guest 2006-10-14 06:36

You're *****ing idiot. Go die. You are the most uneducated person ever.

# haha... — clouducla 2006-10-14 07:53

ya, if sony makes 4.13 millions units it will sell as many...but the question is, will they? on a similar note...nintendo has over 4 million wii units NOW...and as im sure most of you already kno, the eb and game stop pre orders for the system are all gone...the wii seems to have the edge here...sony has a lot of catchin up to do....OH...almost forgot about the lamebox 1.5....well...nobody cares about it anyway...

# take some time to think you ranting *****s. — Guest 2006-10-14 07:55

PS3 is only shipping 400,000 units on the release. nintendo wii and microsoft xbox 360 alone have probably sold more units than that. so they got a headstart, christmas is just around the corner and i highly doubt sony will ship more units by then, it will be febuary before they ship more. and to the ***** who thinks all microsofts names are dumb.

WII has a dumb name

playstation has an even gayer sounding name. and it rhymes with Gaystation.

you probably dont know what a Vista is do you? not the o/s but what it is. google is your friend.

just because people dont buy the 360 doesnt mean we care. in the end it just means less 12 year olds like all you ranters playing on live. and i can live with that, microsoft wont give up on the 360 if its sales are down. As they a ritch and they care about the community.

# loser — clouducla 2006-10-14 08:05

gayer?!?!? how stupid are you? no u dont anser that stupid its a rhetorical (look it up) question. oh and i do hope you enjoy payin for ur lamebox live service...ill be playin resistance fall of many online w/ 40 other peeps...FREE

# 2010 will be PS3's year — Guest 2006-10-14 08:05

lol we could all be dead by then. Bottom line xbox360 owns the next gen war now and has for the last year. Now that sony is losing developers I dont see why non sony fanboys would waste money on a ps3. PS3 has no good games anymore but 2 Final Fantasy 13(wont be out for a long time like ff12 probably) and Meatal Gear Solid 4( Im not a fan of mgs so this game is crap to me). All ps3 other games are just games xbox360 is going to get too. Xbox live is gonna own ps3 online even if ps3 online is free I doubt it will be as cool as xbox live is. Xbox live is easily worth the $50 dollars a year the service is just so great.

Sony cant compete in the video game industry anymore imo with the terrible failure of there psp( i own a psp yet only cuz of homebrew) they should just stick to electronics and movies and stop wasting there money making a crappy system just because there rich.

As for the Wii i dont even think you should include it in the next gen war against xbox360 and the ps3. Doesnt matter too much how much money it makes since Nintendo's handhelds all together sold more units then any system ever will ever. Nintendo's handhelds is what makes nintendo's money i think. IMO after the n64 Nintendo's home console went from bad(gamecude) to worst(Wii) tho im dying to play Super Smash bros Brawl online.

# wii — Guest 2006-10-14 08:11

I'm sure the wii will do well right off the bat. it cheaper and there are more of them. But the 360 and PS3 are more my style of consoles. I still think the wii is a gamecube with a "neat" controller. But i'll give it chance...

# ??? — clouducla 2006-10-14 08:13

wii+worst?!?!?its already sold ( through presales) 3 million units!!!!!!in 1 day!!! but ur right, it shouldnt be compared to the ps3 or lamebox 1.5....nintendo actually concentrates only on games unlike the other two....and it doesnt suck monkey anus like the lamebox does.

# imkro, stop argueing like a little girl. — Guest 2006-10-14 08:16

(If you are a little girl, then my apologies).

>"Sega recently updated the Lindbergh machines, I said that in this new comment you moron, can't you read ?"

And can't you think? Provide the exact info here! Go on, WHAT EXACTLY has been updated? The CPU? The GPU? The memory? The manufacturing process?

Don't go talking about things you don't understand, and if you want to discuss it, provide links to back up your arguements.

>"Sega updated the hardware specs of all Lindberghs in Japan only for Virtua Fighter 5 because the old specs can't handle VF5 smoothely."

Again, WHAT has been updated, and to what. If you can't answer that simple question, then go away and come back when you can.

>"I recently read an article which said new Lindbergh spec is much more poweful than X360 but still weaker than PS3 by a big margine"

No you didn't. You obviously read some comment from some other kid on a forum and decided to accept it as truth. So once again I say, provide the proof or shutup.

# you're not the brightest crayon in the box are ya? — Guest 2006-10-14 08:19

PS has the largest library of games. If you don't like them, thats your opinion, not everybodies. The success of the PS1 and PS2 prove that.

Sony is not losing devs. Not sure what orfice you pulled that out of.

And you forgot to mention RFOM, which is looking as good if not better than anything on the 360. (Now you say GoW, which looks good, but not nay better than RFOM)

The PSP, last I checked, is doing well. Not as well as the DS, but well. And how does the success of a handheld effect console sales? Again, over 100 million units sold of the PS1 and over 100 million units sold of the PS2. I think they know what they are doing...

PS3 will catch up with the 360 by March 07 and if not by then by jan 2008 at the latest. (This is my prediction.)

# oops — Guest 2006-10-14 08:32

i meant the PS3 will catch up by march 2008- jan 2009... my bad

# yeah, what about xbox 360's and Wii's price drop? — Guest 2006-10-14 08:43

Well, I would imagin the Wii being a great secondary system for people. 25 million, thats it? ***** Im betting that even most of the hardcore gamers will own a Wii just for the heck of it. Top that off between the xbox and ps3, hmm thats like 37-40 million Wii's? (included with non-gamers and n-fanboys). But wait Im being hipacritical, no more predicting the future for me.

# imkro, you have nothing to teach me! LOL! — Guest 2006-10-14 08:51

>"you're nothing PS34ME, you're probably a moron lifeless idiot while I'm a educated and have professional education related to a computer subject in college, anyway"

LOL! I've been working in the computer industry for 18 years kid, and I earn ridiculous amounts of cash for the knowledge and experience I have. Gee, isn't life tough for me!

Anyway, let's take the Emotion Engine example you so kindly provided.

The floating-point power of the Emotion Engine, as I expect you know, came from the two vector units which offered approximately 3 GFLOPS each, accounting for most of the 6.2 GFLOPS quoted. In comparison, the 733Mhz Pentium processor in the XBox offered 2 GFLOPS.

The problem with the EE's design meant that is was virtually impossible for anyone to push BOTH vector units to maximum performance. Hence for quite some time, most games only used one vector unit (VU1), but over the years, developers soon managed to get more out of the second vector unit (VU0), but it's usage was still low, say 10% at most.

Here's Sony's own report from the end of 2003 after checking all PS2 games using their Performance Analyzer.

http://www.technology.scee.net/files/presentations/PSP/HowFarHaveWeGot.pdf

On page 14, Sony says;

"Best performing games use up to 8% VU0"

Well do the maths imkro, even if VU1 was pushed 100%, that would still account for the BEST performaing PS2 games using about 3.25 GFLOPS at most. Hence the PS2 was less powerful compared to the XBox, since as well as running game code and calculations, the EE also handled ALL the 3D graphics calculations and streamed triangles to the GS for rendering, whereas the XBox had a GPU which handled most of the necessary graphics calculations.

Obviously you were completely unaware of the low usage of VU0 in the EE, hence it's another example of why you can't go by numbers alone.

So before you go boasting about your education and making assumptions about others, atleast gain some understanding of the hardware you're talking about... which leads me back to Lindbergh, where I'll be waiting for your links to back up the claims you've made.

# Just one more point imkro... — Guest 2006-10-14 08:57

>"you're probably a moron lifeless idiot while I'm a educated and..."

LOL!... "while I'm a educated" ....Oh the irony.

Anyway, come back when you're been WORKING in the computer industry for as long as I have.

Anyway, I look forward to your links.

# ... — Guest 2006-10-14 08:59

You sound like a smart bloke, but why are you so blindsided? I also found Halo 2 to be crappy, I didn't get caught in the hype, tried before I buyed - decided not to buy.

You compare everything to PC games, yet dis everything concerning consoles. Consoles biggest advantages include prices, compatability and the ability to push hardware to the limit. If you only like PC games, quit complaining about console games, you are obviously not their target market. Personally, I basically quit PC gaming when 3D graphics cards became the standard to play games.

# honestly — Guest 2006-10-14 09:09

Wow you guys... First off this artical is saying what they think will happen in the year 2010... Now seeing that the weather man has a hard enough time figuring out what it'll be come tomorrow makes me think that anyone saying what will happen 4 years from now doesn't know what they are talking about.

This is getting so disturbing that everyone who likes a console be treated like a dog because they may not like the same one you do.... Maybe you are the dogs for trying to be a comunist in the world of gaming. This is why there are 3 different systems for everyone to enjoy not for everyone to ridicule the other. Stop arguing and play some dang games.

# Woah there guys! — Guest 2006-10-14 09:26

Is this a fight to the death or something? :)

Still, I have to side with PS34ME on this one imkro, because I've seen this same Virtua Fighter 5 post from you several times already, and each time in a thread which has absolutely nothing to do with VF, just like this one!

Also, PS34ME is right when he asks for links, because if you're going to make those statements, then you should be able to back it up when challenged. If you can't, then you're just blowing hot air.

I don't always agree with PS34ME on QJ, but he does have some good points here, and has backed them up with links, including an awesome report from Sony which I'd never seen before.

But enough of the insults guys (especially you imkro), and may the discussions commense.... :)

# lol. — Guest 2006-10-14 09:47

You guys act like Children and noobs. Just support and buy the console you like. NO ARGUING. Just paly it FFS, i don't give two flying *****s what console wins. Just be happy with whattever console you buy.

# Thanks mods/administrators... — Guest 2006-10-14 09:54

...for deleting that reply from imkro and the resulting arguement between the two of us (which had gone too far). :)

# Uh huh — Guest 2006-10-14 11:19

The whole point is kinda misleading. Yes, Sony will probably sell more by 2010, but then again, microsoft and nintendo will have made new consoles and gone on by then making the ps3 outdated.

# omg — Guest 2006-10-14 11:22

STFU AND BUY WHATEVER U LIKE F*ING NOOBS

# Haha — Guest 2006-10-14 12:13

Nope. Worldwide the Wii will beat the 360 becuase it can't sell in Japan.

The PS3 will sell very high and then plummet until a price drop in which case sales will slightly increase and after that decrease steadily.

The 360 will continue to decrease until Halo 3 and a couple other games come out but after the games sales will sag a little

The Wii is the only console I can see selling stronger for longer becuase of its low price point but will eventually begin to drop when the PS3 price cut is announced (unless Nintendo announces a price cut for the Wii sometime in the future).

On a final note, the company that stands to make the most PROFIT in this war is Nintendo. 250 dollars is incredibly close to the actual price of everything in the Wii. While I believe Microsoft lost .2 billion dollars on the Xbox360

# Die fanboys — Guest 2006-10-14 12:25

QJ: Posting the greatest flame-bait articles for fan boys. Who the ***** cares what some magazine has to say about how well each company will do? If you have a nickname for ANY of the consoles, you're a fanboy, and you need to die.

# hilarious — Guest 2006-10-14 12:50

I think posters like this are hilarious.

What are you gonna do about it fat boy??? Throw on a pair of sweatpants and drag your fat ass out of your moms basement and fight someone???

You're a joke and acting tough online is lame.

# Wow — Guest 2006-10-14 13:38

I like how your post is so..... hypocritical, truth.

What, don't like being told what to do?

Both of you, quit from the little man syndrome.

# LOL — Guest 2006-10-14 14:20

touche.

sorry, i got unnecessarily annoyed :)

# Really? — Guest 2006-10-14 15:21

just like they predicted the psp was gonna outsell the ds 10 to 1

# I can confirm — Guest 2006-10-14 16:11

I can confirm playstation 3 cannot produce better graphics than xbox 360 even with the higher storage capacity on the blueray disk, I saw and played Resistance fall of man on playstation 3 and it is nothing the xbox 360 cannot do, I am not saying here to not get the playstation 3, all I am saying is don't buy it only because you have heard it will have better graphics, buy it based on it's game selection, not graphics, you do not have to believe me now but you will.

# at least equal — Guest 2006-10-14 16:13

give it a year... shoot give it 6 months, I think you'll start to see a difference :)

# Look — Guest 2006-10-14 16:25

The PS3 will win eventually. They have made their system full proof for the next ten years. Even if Nintendo and Microsoft make new consoles by 2010 Sony won't have to. The power of the cell will generate graphics far beyond the competitors and as time rolls on the PS3 will drop in price. Making it defidentally cheaper than what Microsoft will come with next generation, if they last until next-gen. They will have a boost in sales and another 100 million units worldwide. Everyone ridiculed Sony for thinking of the future and people will see why down the road.

# not gonna happen — Guest 2006-10-14 16:28

A guy at the show told me the same exact thing, to wait and see, but if playstation 3 was more powerful than xbox 360 then you would see it at launch, just like xbox 360 had at least two games at launch that looked better than any xbox game call of duty 2 and perfect dark zero, and just like microsoft said that xbox was more powerful than playstation 2 you saw it the first day, HALO baby that game looks better than any pplaystation 2 title to date, so all I am saying that if playstation 3 is better than xbox 360 it should be proven at launch, and another thing people act as if we have seen the xbox 360s best newsflash we have not.

# maybe — Guest 2006-10-14 16:48

When people see that playstation 3 is not better than xbox 360 they will not buy playstation 3, alot of people bought xbox because it had games with better graphics than playstation 2, playstation 3 does not have better graphics than xbox 360, so people will not buy playstation 3 over xbox 360, the only way that will happen is unless playstation 3 has a better games and from the looks of things they don't.

# You are being mislead — Guest 2006-10-14 17:07

You are being mislead, do you believe everything sony says do you realize they have mislead consumers numerous times in the past , (They have made their system full proof for the next ten years. The power of the cell will generate graphics far beyond the competitors) this is exactly what sony said and you are repeating it.

# I can confirm — Guest 2006-10-14 17:27

# something — Guest 2006-10-14 18:09

Before everyone here starts to compare xbox 360 and ps3 titles the way they are now, think about what 360 titles looked like when the console launched, and compare those to ps3 launch titles, a year ago 360 titles looked like crap, in a year ps3 titles will surpass 360, game developers have been goven more to work with, and will make use of it in time.

# something — Guest 2006-10-14 18:12

# not gonna happen — Guest 2006-10-14 18:53

Playstation 3 games will NEVER be better looking than xbox 360 games not now or in the future. A guy at the show told me the same exact thing, to wait and see, but if playstation 3 was more powerful than xbox 360 then you would see it at launch, just like xbox 360 had at least two games at launch that looked better than any xbox game call of duty 2 and perfect dark zero, and just like microsoft said that xbox was more powerful than playstation 2 you saw it the first day, HALO baby that game looks better than any pplaystation 2 title to date, so all I am saying that if playstation 3 is better than xbox 360 it would be proven at launch, and another thing people act as if we have seen the xbox 360s best newsflash we have not.

# whatever — Guest 2006-10-14 18:53

its not liek MS always follows through on what they say.

what happened to halo 3 being launched in spring 06 with the PS3??? Hmmm...

You guys take things WAY too personally. Last time I checked PS consoles have have sold over 100k units twice. MS hasn't cracked 30 million yet.

As for graphics, look what happened last gen. The xbox had better graphics and MS got its ass handed to them 106 million to 26 million. MS actually lost money on the xbox... so thats how much your precious graphics are worth.

I havevno doubt that this gen will be a much closer race... but graphics will have very little to do with who wins.

# I can confirm — Guest 2006-10-14 19:08

I can confirm

I can confirm playstation 3 cannot produce better graphics than xbox 360 even with the higher storage capacity on the blueray disk, I saw and played Resistance fall of man on playstation 3 and it is nothing the xbox 360 cannot do, I am not saying here to not get the playstation 3, all I am saying is don't buy it only because you have heard it will have better graphics, buy it based on it's game selection, not graphics, you do not have to believe me now but you will.

# Heres how it works — Vietone 2006-10-14 19:19

Nov 17th will be the launch of the console. Sony has plans to get shipments ASAP out and we will probably see more shipments a couple weeks after launch.

It wont be like the Xbox360 where they have a few months of dry sales because there was demand but no console.

Sony has already solved the issue of blue-diodes for the laser. They are producing at a much higher rate then before, just because they will ship 500k at launch. Sony plans to have over 1 million by the end of the year, So its likely that they have over 500k in stock but will ship it large quantities instead of little by little which is a waste of money in shipping.

Lets all talk about graphics. Gaphics Graphics and Graphics. So far the only game on the Xbox360 thats on par with the launch games of the PS3 is GoW.

Resistance Looks just as good as GoW and has 40 player online. What Xbox360 game has 40 player online? NONE.

The Playstation 3 is a more powerful console. And when a year or two passes, the games will get better and better while the Xbox360 reaches its limit before the PS3.

All those who say the PS3 graphics will look no better then the Xbox360 are wrong. You are comparing graphics cards and both are just about identical. But the Cell is where the power of the PS3 lies, the Combination of the Nvidia RSX and the Cell chip can produce amazing graphics.

My prediction, the PS3 will outsell the Xbox360 and the Wii as soon as they can produce the consoles. They will never stay on the shelves for at least 6 months.

People forget, the PS2 sold more then the Xbox360 in half the time. it was an expensive console then, and the PS3 is a so called expensive console. Does everyone now notice that people are making more money these days. Im a full-time college student working a part time job making 500-700 a week. I pocket nearly 1k after paying bills and rent every month.

And the rumors of the PS3 being ALOT bigger then the Xbox360, its not. Want to compare size? Xbox360 + powerbrick takes up just about the same amount of space as the PS3. Bigger? Not really. At least the PS3 can sit on top of your other audio equipment and look like it blends in. No matter what you do to your Xbox360, it still stands out like a bleach stain on a black shirt.

The PSP is a success, it sold millions of units and has taken a good chunk of the hand held market. Whoever says the PSp is a failure needs to take a look around. Almost every place i goto, i see someone with a PSP. UMD movies is a failure, PSP games and the System has yet to become a failure.

# I have played playstation 3 — Guest 2006-10-14 19:45

I have played playstation 3, have you, every one must know the truth. I can confirm playstation 3 cannot produce better graphics than xbox 360 even with the higher storage capacity on the blueray disk, I saw and played Resistance fall of man on playstation 3 and it is nothing the xbox 360 cannot do, I am not saying here to not get the playstation 3, all I am saying is don't buy it only because you have heard it will have better graphics, buy it based on it's game selection, not graphics, you do not have to believe me now but you will.

# I wouldn't say that... — Zector 2006-10-14 20:23

There is too little evidence regarding the success of the PS3, I don't mean to put it down... But it hasn't shown me anything of intrest.

# at least equal throughout next-gen — Guest 2006-10-14 20:25

A year from now you will be probably saying exactly the same thing. If you're waiting for the PS3 to over take the 360 in terms of graphics, then you'll be waiting forever 'truth'. :)

Examples of next-gen games with some of the best graphics are going to appear on both consoles year after year, since the power difference between the two consoles is not enough for one to dominate the other in this respect.

Also, both consoles are packed with features and possibilities that developers haven't even begun to touch on yet, so there will be continuous improvements on BOTH consoles throughout the years, which is great for developers, great for gamers and great for games.

# Er...truth.. — Guest 2006-10-14 20:55

>"what happened to halo 3 being launched in spring 06 with the PS3??? Hmmm..."

LOL! So what happened to the PS3 launching in spring '06 then? Halo 3 not being released is nothing compared to the PS3 not launching when promised. :)

Besides, the launch of Halo 3 is down to Bungie, not MS (Bungie themselves said they were surprised when Gates announced when Halo 3 will launch), however the PS3 launch is down to Sony.

>"As for graphics, look what happened last gen. The xbox had better graphics and MS got its ass handed to them 106 million to 26 million. MS actually lost money on the xbox... so thats how much your precious graphics are worth."

Correct, it's mostly about games.

Unless a bit of luck is one your side, it's usually very difficult for a new comer in a market dominated by a brand. Hence the XBox always had an upward struggle against the Playstation, both in the terms of developer support and gamers.

We see this today with the PSP and DS. So many predicted that Sony will take over the handheld market as they did the console market because of the Playstation brand and because their handheld had more features and more power, and yet it's Nintendo's DS that dominiates the sales.

Like the XBox, the PSP has been a good solid new entry into a market, but just like the XBox entering a market dominated by Sony, the PSP has entered a market dominated by Nintendo, and it's still waiting for that 'killer app' to push sales, whereas the DS seems to have had a number of killer apps already (Brain Training being the latest).

# maybe equal, maybe not — Guest 2006-10-14 21:18

I agree with most of what you said, both systems will have theri moments.

I think BR will tip the scale slightly in the PS3's favor though. For their exclusives definitely and for some multi-platforms.

More space allows for more textures, content, etc. BR is the wild card in the equation.

# Give it a rest. — Guest 2006-10-14 21:30

>"Resistance Looks just as good as GoW and has 40 player online. What Xbox360 game has 40 player online? NONE."

Oh quit boasting about "how high they can piss". It's the same nonsense I saw last gen, with gamers constantly looking for an achievement on one console to prove a meaningless point against the other (until the other console comes out with the same). Which other PS3 game has 40 players online btw?

For example, which PS3 games have been announced that features Global Illumination?

http://ps3.qj.net/index.php?pg+49+aid+57023

The answer is NONE!

Whereas I know of atleast three 360 games that do, Blue Dragon, Halo 3 and Forza 3.

But it's only a matter of time before we see this feature implemented in a few PS3 games, just as it's only a matter of time before will see a 360 game supporting 40 players online or more.

So stop bragging about every little feature or achievement the moment it appears. :|

>"The Playstation 3 is a more powerful console. And when a year or two passes, the games will get better and better while the Xbox360 reaches its limit before the PS3."

Yes the PS3 is more powerful, but it is only slightly more powerful than the 360 overall.

Anyway, last gen, I lost count of the number of times gamers who had no experience in games programming and hardware came out with similar comments about the PS2 and XBox. Back then, it was about the untapped power of the EE and how the PS2 will continue to improve whilst the XBox will not improve beyond it's launch games. Yeah right.

BOTH consoles will continue to improve throughout their lifetime, since there is so much potential in both consoles, with features developers haven't even begun to tap into as yet. Even the developers don't really know how much they could push both consoles by the end of this generation, much less a nobody college kid on a forum (no disrespect, but we are all anonymous nobodies here).

>"All those who say the PS3 graphics will look no better then the Xbox360 are wrong."

They are NOT wrong, they are expressing an opinion (which I agree with), and you also expressing YOUR opinion. Opinions are not FACTS Vietone.

>"My prediction, the PS3 will outsell the Xbox360 and the Wii as soon as they can produce the consoles. They will never stay on the shelves for at least 6 months."

We'll see. :)

# Forza 3? — Guest 2006-10-14 21:34

I wrote - "I know of atleast three 360 games that do, Blue Dragon, Halo 3 and Forza 3."

That should be Forza 2 of course. :)

# It's not as simple as that. — Guest 2006-10-14 22:01

Some of those 360 launch game were seen 6 months earlier at E3 2005 running on alpha devkits. Hence in 6 months, devs moved from alpha to beta to kinal devkits as well as polishing their games for launch.

PS3 games like Resistance and Heavenly Sword were seen running in realtime on developement hardware at E3 2005. 18 MONTHS LATER, Resistance will be one of the PS3 launch games, and Heavenly Sword next year would be TWO YEARS later.

If the PS3 launched in the spring as promised, NONE of the PS3 launch games will look and perform as well as they do. Howerver, because of the delay of 6-9 months, those games have improved (just look at the quality of 360 games 9 months after launch!).

If the impossible happens and Sony delay's the PS3 again to November 2007, that would be an extra year of developement time for ALL the launch games, which means they will look and perform even better.

So you can't compare the launch games of the 360 to that of a console which has been delayed and act as if it's the same, because it's not.

Hence a year from now, yes PS3 games will improve, but so will 360 games, and both will improve relative to how they are TODAY, not how they were at launch.

# oh yeah — Guest 2006-10-14 22:54

oh yeah we won ps3. ps3 is most powerful even if it was like it was 250.00 you would get it. haha ha ps3 wins bye

# very ture — Guest 2006-10-15 02:30

and who the F thinks that one console win win it all, and all others will be dieing in a cloud of dust?! I bet 2 will be beating eachothers back until jugement day! any wayz, if soney had like 5 million ps3 for lanch(oh god im dieing of lafter!) then the'd suck everyone for every dollar. It all depends though... what if their console is still burning up?.....hm......well i wont get one until 3 years after and thats a big IF, if u know what i mean...

# yea man — Guest 2006-10-15 04:30

I feel sorry for that guy who buys the playstation 3 for $600 takes it home and its a faulty system, man if people think xbox 360 had faulty systems wait until playstation 3 comes out. LOL

# 2009 — Vaza 2006-10-15 04:35

Around 2009/8 Sony will be booming, and caught up with everyone else, why?

Lets have a look:

Final Fantasy, GTA, Devil may Cry, Metal gear solid, Kingdom Hearts, Gran Turismo, Burnout, Need for Speed, God of War, Prince of Persia, Assasins creed, WipeOut, Ridge Racer, all yearly EA games, The Sims, and more. I know that some of these are on other consoles, but look at the PS3, it has most of the biggest franchises exclusively, and gets all the others aswell. It is inevitable that the console will sell alot. But its still anyones race when it comes down to it, in the end, Nintendo will win, because it is in a different race, and Sony and Microsoft will be weaker in the end, but no way will they be down and out. The Genaration of the PS4 and Xbox 3.etc will be the gen with a console down and out. As for who that is? we'll know in 10 years time...

# 2010 — Guest 2006-10-15 06:09

I predict that on March 17th 2010, at 16:00 GMT, an announcement will be made which will change gaming forever. :|

# LOL — Guest 2006-10-15 06:42

"what happened to halo 3 being launched in spring 06 with the PS3??? Hmmm..."

LOL! So what happened to the PS3 launching in spring '06 then? Halo 3 not being released is nothing compared to the PS3 not launching when promised. :)"

LOL, I know I know. But one coudld make the argument that b/c Bill Gates himself came out and said that, MS lied. It was just an example that people shouldn't get all worked up about how the company hypes its product. The whoel "Sony lies" fanboy whine is pathetic.

And Xbox is best-

The PS3 launch games look better than the 360 launch games. So there goes your entire argument about how the PS3 will never surpass the 360's graphics. Stay tuned when the 2nd gen PS3 games come out.

# duh... — Guest 2006-10-15 06:46

the difference between the 2 conolses is not as wide as the one between the PS2 and the xbox.

PS3 launch titles look better than 360 launch titles. SO you are wrong already. Wait for the 2nd wave :)

# exactly — Guest 2006-10-15 06:57

Sony has the largest games library of all the console... well actually I'm not sure now the wii can DL all its old games... anyways the point is games sell consoles and Sony has the games as pointed out above. The 360 has Halo...

The race will be closer, but lets not pretend and kid ourselves that SOny doesn't know what they are doing. Ok pumpkin?

# Blackhawk Down for the XBox + 50 players online — Guest 2006-10-15 07:06

Yes Vientone, Blackhawk Down for the XBox last year supported up to 50 players online (Thanks to Mitt in another thread for the reminder).

So to repeat the point I made above "it's only a matter of time before will see a 360 game supporting 40 players online or more. So stop bragging about every little feature or achievement the moment it appears".

# and — Guest 2006-10-15 14:18

and microsoft will be making that anouncement.

# yep — Guest 2006-10-15 14:50

A MS exec will get on stage and announce...

"We quit"

# yea right — Guest 2006-10-15 17:36

yea right a multibillion dollar company saying they quit, dude wake up and smell reality and stop having playstation fantasys, sony maybe the ones to quit. LOL

# yea right — Guest 2006-10-15 17:41

yea right a multibillion dollar company saying they quit, dude wake up and smell reality and stop having playstation fantasies, sony maybe the ones to quit. LOL

# next fantasy — Guest 2006-10-15 18:27

you wanna talk about fantasies? You're the one naive enough to say PS3 graphics will NEVER be that of the 360.

And I guess Sony is this poor poor little fledgling company that whooped the xbox's ass last gen... Do you think before you post?

I guess your still a little upset about the xbox... I understand. I think the 360 might be the first concole to lose an entire territory in the first year its out, without any competition. LOL

# All I am saying — Guest 2006-10-16 06:07

All I am saying is that microsoft is not gonna quit and if you think they are you are dreaming, thats all.

# I have played playstation 3 — Guest 2006-10-16 06:14

I have played playstation 3, have you? I can confirm playstation 3 cannot produce better graphics than xbox 360 even with the higher storage capacity on the blueray disk, I saw and played Resistance fall of man on playstation 3 and it is nothing the xbox 360 cannot do, I am not saying here to not get the playstation 3, all I am saying is don't buy it only because you have heard it will have better graphics, buy it based on it's game selection, not graphics, you do not have to believe me now but you will.

# Truth, — darkshadow88 2006-10-16 07:16

As we know from the Xbox, graphics alone will not sell a console. Of course, the PS3 also has a larger game library because of its backwards compatibility. What we didn't see last gen, however, was Sony and Microsoft releasing their consoles at different prices. The high price of the PS3 may very well allow the 360 to keep its lead until the PS3 comes down to a price that most people can afford. You can argue that the PS3 has Blu-Ray; however, most people don't care about watching HD movies. If you are looking for a Blu-Ray player, the PS3 will be a great deal. For the typical gamer looking for a game console, though, the 360 is more affordable.

Of course, for the first 3-6 months every PS3 Sony makes will sell. But after that, the 360 may start selling faster than the PS3 in the U.S. partially because of the price but also because of Halo 3 which, although it might not live up to its hype (but I hope it does), will sell consoles.

The graphics of the 360 and the PS3 will probably remain about equal through most of the life of the consoles, as both consoles have a lot of potential, the extent of which will probably not be realized for at least a few years. Even if the graphics of the PS3 turn out to be better sooner than I expect, this alone will not guarantee that the PS3 will be on top.

In Japan, the PS3 will thoroughly crush the 360; however, this is should be obvious. The sales of the original Xbox in Japan were indicative of this. I believe, however, that the 360 will outsell the PS3 in the U.S. and Europe until/unless the PS3 drops in price to become the same price as the 360. This will probably happen by 2008-09. Combined with the Japanese sales of the PS3, the figures for the PS3 and the 360 that that magazine published seem quite reasonable.

The Wii, however, is too difficult to predict. Whereas the 360 and the PS3 are going for more power, the Wii is going for more innovation. Until we see how developers take advantage of the Wii's controls, there will be little indication as to how it will sell. It's up to the developers to make innovative games rather than trying to adapt PS3 and 360 games to fit the Wii's controls. An abundance of PS3 and 360 ports will lead to the Wii being unsuccessful because the Wii is not suited for the graphics of the PS3 and 360 nor for the controls. Although Nintendo will certainly make great Wii games, I fear that third-party developers will try to simulate the PS3 and 360 controls instead of making games that are designed around the Wii's controls. If developers can consistently come up with fun an innovative ways to take advantage of the unique aspects of the Wii, the Wii could outsell the PS3 and 360. If they don't, the Wii will not sell well. It's simply to early to tell.

# dark shadow and fanboy — Guest 2006-10-16 11:35

I can accept that. The price of the PS3 is a negative that could impact sales... time will tell on that one. And I do believe the US will he hotly contested this round.

The wii... who knows? I haven't had any faith in Nintendo for quite some time...

What I won't accept is some guy (bum) posting garbage MULTIPLE times, obviously a fanboy.

"I can confirm playstation 3 cannot produce better graphics than xbox 360 even with the higher storage capacity on the blueray disk, I saw and played Resistance fall of man on playstation 3 and it is nothing the xbox 360 cannot do"

Garbage. You basing this off launch titles that probably weren't complete yet... seeing how the TGS Resistance was only 80% done. You cannot make that conclusion until well into each consoles lifespan.

Thus, you posting garbage over and over like a fanboy troll. Quit it. Just b/c you played it doesn't make you an expert. your just having a fanboy wet dream.

I can confirm you don't know what you are talking about.

# whatever noob — Guest 2006-10-16 12:05

I can confirm that you have no idea what you are talking about.

So you're saying that because you played Resistance (80% complete at TGS, so probably the same demo 3 weeks later) you KNOW what devs will be capable of over the next 5 years???

Compare the 360 launch titles to the titles coming out soon... quite a difference right? So, that said, how are you going to form a conclusion off a PS3 launch title (which looks better than 360 launch titles and as good as 2nd gen 360 titles and isn't even finished yet).???

Funny how 50% of so-called "experts" think the PS3 will eventuall sport noticeably better graphics. The other 50% say the two will be pretty mcuh equal. And yet you, after playing a incomplete launch demo have concluded that the PS3 graphics will never be that of the 360???

Your stupidity astounds me.

Again, I can confirm that you are a disillusioned fanboy who has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.

And quit posting the same ***** over and over... if you must post ***** post it once. Sheez!!!

# Can you read? — Guest 2006-10-16 12:27

Can you read?, I am saying Playstation 3 is not better than xbox 360 graphics wise, not now, not ever.

# I am not a fanboy — Guest 2006-10-16 13:08

I am not a fanboy, I just believe that xbox 360 is the best system, even with the bigger library xbox was still better than playstation 2, I know a lot of people who only knew about playstation now getting into the origional xbox and they are now getting xbox 360, and I was not at TGS I played resistance 2 days ago, you guys act as if xbox 360 is maxed out in graphical capailities and playstation 3 has all this potential, both

system have potential not just playstation 3, and if you cannot accept that, thats your problem.

# same question to you — Guest 2006-10-16 13:18

I repeat:

Funny how 50% of so-called "experts" think the PS3 will eventuall sport noticeably better graphics. The other 50% say the two will be pretty much equal. And yet you, after playing a incomplete launch demo have concluded that the PS3 graphics will never be that of the 360???

Your stupidity astounds me.

Again, I can confirm that you are a disillusioned fanboy who has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.

Apparently, you can't read... you can't make conclusions after playing a launch game demo. period.

# sigh — Guest 2006-10-16 13:34

never said you were at TGS... i said you probably played the demo that was used at TGS, which was only 80% complete. regardless, resistance looks better than most 360 games.

But thats besides the point. The 360 is not maxed out, its far from it. But the same goes for the PS3. AND devs will potentially start taking advantage of BR, so Sony exclusives have the potential to be better looking than 360 games. Multi-platform games will probably always look similiar.

The point is, the PS3 has more potential. Whether or not that potential is realized is the only question.

The xbox had better graphics than the PS2. and yet nobody bought it. Again 106 million PS2s vs 25 million xboxs. MS LOST money on the xbox. Thus it was a failure, no matter how you try to spin it.

"A lot of people who only knew about PS2???" Where'd they live under a rock? the xbox has been out for 5 years, there are sections in every video game store. I call BS. MS isn't even making the xbox anymore. THEY QUIT.

Just stop man... you really don't have a point or an argument.

The PS3 launch titles are better than the 360 launch titles and equivalent to the 360 second gen games. In a year... we'll see what happens.

# right — Guest 2006-10-16 15:18

A lot of those playstation 2 sales were REPEAT purchases, I don't know anybody that has not bought a playsation 2 at least twice, so even though sony sold about and maybe over 100 million units the amount of cunsumers that actually own a playstation 2 is realistically 50 - 60 million not 90 - 100 and thats a FACT maybe you have had a playstation or two that just stop working. Sure a lot of people heard about xbox but they did not know much about the system. I met a couple people that did not even know that EA titles such as madden NFL and NBA live were even on xbox. I know that had a lot to do with microsoft they barely had any commercials, anyways like you said, In a year... we'll see what happens.

# Er yea right — Guest 2006-10-16 15:23

Er yea right, 106 million PS2s vs 25 million xboxs. A lot of those playstation 2 sales were REPEAT purchases, I don't know anybody that has not bought a playsation 2 at least twice, so even though sony sold about and maybe over 100 million units the amount of cunsumers that actually own a playstation 2 is realistically 50 - 60 million not 90 - 100 and thats a FACT, maybe you have had a playstation or two that just stopped working or maybe that never happened to you, and sure everyone heard about xbox but they did not know about the system. I met a couple people that did not even know that EA titles such as madden NFL and NBA live were even on xbox. I know that had a lot to do with microsoft, they barely had any commercials, anyways like you said, In a year... we'll see what happens.

# you still aren't thinking — Guest 2006-10-16 16:20

Did I say 106 million households have a PS2??? No. And I see you're tryng to skew the numbers. Its not 90-100 million units. Its over 106 million. That's a fact. Accept it. Pure domination.

You're trying to spin things again. Bottom line is this, Sony sold 106 million units. People didn't get a free Ps2 if theirs broke... they paid for a new one. More significantly, they didn't buy an xbox.

I might add Sony sold 100 million PS1s too.

And your argument, while weak works both ways. If your gonna cut PS2 sales is half then do the same for the xbox, which overheated, crashed, (green screen of death ring a bell?), or just plain broke. So the xbox is down to 15 million units. You see... it's a dumb argument. People still bought 25 million xboxs. face it, sony whooped MS ass last gen.

Madden has been on the xbox since it launched. EA titles are in every video game store, every blockbuster, and xbox is stamped right next to the Playstation logo in every EA commerical. These people you must claim to know must not live on this planet or don't know ANYTHING about video games. Maybe they're just dumb...

Another bottom line, everyone knows what the xbox is. The loser of last gen.

But this isn't about gen. This is about you confirming garbage.

I repeat:

You cannot make claims about the graphics on any console this early. Especially since you are basing it on an incomplete launch demo. Only God knows,a nd you aren't him.

# PS — Guest 2006-10-16 16:24

I might add that I got a PS2 on launch and its still works fine.

# you are sad — Guest 2006-10-16 17:40

You are sad man, reducing yourself to lying just to look like you are right and I am wrong. You are acting like I am telling people not to get playstation 3, anyway all you are doing is lying just to make your point everyone knows sony has had badly designed systems since playstation sure microsoft had faulty systems but nowhere near sony, I would say for every bad xbox there is like 4 bad playstation systems maybe more,go ahead and get playstation 3 I hope that when you get it breaks on you. LOL

# Ok — Guest 2006-10-16 21:06

OK I admit that a launch title don't justify my point, but I understand what both systems are capable of and I am telling you that Playstation 3 is not more powerful than xbox 360, it is a fact, not an opinion, sony is going to tell you that their system is better because they don't want you to buy any other system. So I don't have to be God to make my claim, I just have to understand computer technology, plus every system in history that launched have had at least one game that looked better than the previous system, I find it odd that sony does not have any game that looks better than Gears of War and that is why I posted in the first place. I now know I made a mistake in posting, but it still does not change the fact that playstation 3 is not more powerful than xbox 360. I'm sorry man.

# actually — Guest 2006-10-17 01:45

not lying.

And if Im not istaken borht systems have like a 5% failure rate. its jsut that Sony sold 5 times as many PS2s as MS sold xboxs. So you are right, for every 1 busted xbox there is 4 busted PS2s. Although I think you are right by accident. LOL

# again — Guest 2006-10-17 03:42

More powerful doesn't necessariyl mean better graphics.

Think about it. You buy a new computer with a processor that is 2x as powerful as your current PC. (this is just an example). Does that mean the games you play on your PC are going to have better graphics? No. But your new computer is still quite a bit faster than your old one.

but I agree with you. Nobody shuld buy the PS3 just for its graphics. They should buy it for its games.

I personally will be getting a PS3 for its games and for its BR capabilits (e.g. movies)

PS- and if you read the news the 360 is having its share of bugs, as every console does. Please don't act like MS makes a bug free console. Read for yourself enlightenment :)

http://sportsline.com/games/story/9677045

# but to be perfectly honest — Guest 2006-10-17 04:21

the old PS2 is on its last legs... poor girl.

6 years aint bad though... an with the PS3 100% BC (maybe not quite) my PS2 lasted long enough :)

# still not thinking — Guest 2006-10-17 05:47

more powerful doesn't necessarily mean better graphics.

# I am — Guest 2006-10-17 10:09

I am enjoying this discussion with you seriously, but there is no reason for me to elaborate, I said my piece and apologized and I think you know where I am coming from, but almost everyone knows microsoft have buggy xbox 360s I did not have to mention it, it is reality. Anyway I got an xbox 360 and I am looking foward to playing gears of war, and I don't know if your going to get the playstation 3 on the first day but man if you are I hope your day goes smooth, because when I was talked into getting the 360 on the first day man it was crazy grown people fighting over the line to get a game console anyway l just hope you don't go through what I went through and by the way resistance is a pretty intense game if you get ps3 thats the one to get man, anyway nice chatting with you.

# ditto — Guest 2006-10-17 11:45

you too man. good discussion. Enjoy GoW, it looks pretty good :)

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