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Analysts: 360 in trouble, Wii is a fad, PlayStation has loyal gamers |
Listed in: PS3, Wii, Xbox 360 Tags: Colin Sebastian, David Cole, Lazard Capital, Lazard Capital Markets, Screen Digest, UK
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In the past few months, we've heard several groups from the video game industry give their opinions on the console war. Some of the more outspoken ones, including Electronic Arts and the President of Ready at Dawn studios, have expressed favor towards the PlayStation 3.Analysts from Lazard Capital Markets and DFC Intelligence had the same sentiments, saying that the PlayStation 3 will soon be on top in the near future.
Now, analysts from the UK, Europe, and North America chime in with their own opinions, which they expressed at the Nordic Game 2008 conference. However, instead of focusing just on how big the PlayStation 3 will be in the future, they were more opinionated on the fate of the Xbox 360 and the Wii.
The analysts from the conference expressed how the Xbox 360 will be in trouble in the coming year. DFC Intelligence analyst David Cole went as far as to say that "The Xbox 360's going to come in third place when all's said and done." Other analysts went on to say that the Xbox 360 is strong in the US, but is declining everywhere else.
On the subject of the Wii, Swedish analyst Martin Lindell remarks that the console is in trouble if it doesn't produce a steady stream of games that please its consumers. Because its install base is composed mostly of casual gamers, people might tend to shelf the console if the "fad" feeling dies down. One analyst expressed it this way:
You've got to remember there's a difference between buying and playing - the fact that you get your grandma to play the game doesn't mean she's going out to buy it. I'm still in that kind of faddish feeling about the Wii.
They also talked about the PlayStation 3 of course. They noted how the console is steadily gaining on the Xbox 360, and how a loyal fanbase is another factor to its success. Nick Parker, analyst for Screen Digest, remarks that many PlayStation gamers of previous generations hold off from buying a next-gen console because they are waiting for the release of anticipated titles on the PlayStation 3.
Strong opinions, yes? Still, nothing is set in stone, and we haven't heard the fat lady sing yet. We'll keep you updated on developments in the console war, but for now you can read up on what else the analysts have to say by following the link below.
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The Wii is not a fad. Fads don't last nearing upon 2 years.
It's got plenty of people, from both casual and serious gamers behind it for varying reasons. Even if one market for it collapses, it's got more than enough to support itself for the gen as a viable console.
The PS3 thing, well, I'm not going to comment on it. I don't like the PS3 personally, so anything I said would have some bias and end up sounding antifanboyish like "Well they'd need to be loyal to buy it, it sucks" sort of thing. Though slightly more well written, and a lot less insulting. So I'll just steer clear of commenting on the PS3 bit
So, uh, yeah, analysts are idiots.
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if they said "360 has a large enough userbase that whatever happens now this gen, it'll do fine" then they wouldn't be "idiots" will they???
well they said something else... you didn't like it, so deal with it... massage your injured ego or something... cause idiots or not investors and industry players would rather listen to them and not to you.
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I think people are so caught up in this console war, that some are still prone to flights of fantasy.
the reality is, the wii is selling like hot cakes still till this day. the 360. has a lot of great games to keep it afloat.
and the ps3 while powerful and very neat. just doesnt have the game line up to apeal to.. well anyone.. :(
I say that as a ps3 owner. ive had my ps3 for about four months now. I have oblivion. heavenly sword and the simpsons game.
im not saying other people arent happy with their ps3s, hell I like my ps3 just fine. but im not so blind that im clinging on to hopes that something will come out for the ps3 that will just change the rules of this console war mid game.
im not saying this to diss the ps3. I like my ps3 and I dont care who doesnt like them, and I dont care of the ps3 is on top or not.
I'm just not dumb enough to claim the ps3 is on top just because I have one.
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The 360 had a good (head) start but this year, they really need some help. They just don't have as many big AAA titles like they should and usually do.
The PS3 is actually making a huge comeback (they even surpassed the 360 in total sales in Europe). If anyone looks at all the upcoming titles and features later this year, you already know Sony isn't fooling around this year.
The only reason why Nintendo could actually make another console was because of it's portable systems. Do you really think the Gamecube was that successful? It was a distant third behind the PS2, and kinda distant from the Xbox. Both of those killed the GC, the only real money they had was from the GBA, the GBA SP, the Game Boy Micro, and the Nintendo DS. If it weren't for those, there probably wouldn't even be a Wii.
I'd love to hear what you had to say about the PS3 though. Just because Analysts say what you didn't want to hear doesn't mean THEY are idiots.
And don't call me a fanboy, because I'm not. I own more than just Sony systems and even if I only had Sony systems I still know what I'm talking about. What I just typed was a mixture of personal opinion and fact... And now I'll end my rant.
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If those are the only 3 games that appeal to you, then I would definitely not want to be in your shoes.
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i won't say you're wrong but you can't say i'm wrong either cause it's your tv, you couch, and your time and i don't have a say on that as well as you don't have a say on mine.
and nobody is claiming the PS3 is on top... what they are saying is that at the end of the day it is the 360 who might end up in last place and i quote "The Xbox 360's going to come in third place when all's said and done."... you might say that they are succombing to "flights of fantasy" well the same could be said of people who would say "the PS3 will squarely be on the bottom".
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im a very picky gamer. oblivion would have been the only game I bought if i had waited to get my ps3 untill mes4 or god of war 3 or final fantasy 13 came out.
im just saying, ninja gaiden didnt apeal to me because its the same old ninja gaiden with a face lift, drakes fortune didnt apeal to me I dont know why. something about drakes fortune just didnt apeal to me.
I was looking forward to haze, but we know how that turned out. dont get me wrong guys, in my personal opinion ther ps3 is the best console, it would be a contridiction for me to own one if I didnt think so.
I just dont think it has a strong line up. not to suit me anyway. and I dont believe its on top. is all...
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if fable comes out and is as good or better than mass effect then i might just buy a 360 just for those two games that is unless i don't end up getting them for my pc.
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The thing that everyone is overlooking is the fact that the PS3 has a very large back catalog of games to remake.
Everyone knows the PS3 isn't easy to make games on (at least games that are good) so there isn't much we can do but wait, however by the end of 2008 we WILL have enough AAA games to hold us off for a while.
SOCOM, which is probably the most popular online PS2 game of all time, will be out for the PS3 around September, and we have MGS4 out in just a few more days.
Don't forget that SoulCalibur 4 is set to release sometime in 2008 as well. If you haven't noticed, those few games I just mentioned are big hits on the PS2. Now they are moving on to the PS3.
So for anyone that doesn't think the PS3 will eventually have good games...all you have to do is look back at any great/popular PS2 game, because everyone has a PS2. Any game that was really good on the PS2 will more than likely get a new addition for the PS3.
When you consider this, and compare it to what the XBOX 360 has, they don't really have a lot of old games they can update for the 360 that were really great. I don't have an XBOX or 360, but all I ever hear about is Gears of War and Halo. I'm sure there are a small bunch of other titles that the 360 has which are great games, but when I compare that to the list of great PS2 games its not even worth talking about. I know the PS3 doesn't have that many yet, but everything is starting to heat up and we are now seeing these great PS2 games come over to the PS3.
Don't forget that the PS3 (and PS2, PS1) have a wide variety of different game types, while most XBOX and 360 users mainly play a handful of shooters (by handful I mean the few ones which are the best).
I won't say everything about what I said towards the XBOX/260 is accurate, because I don't own one and pay as much attention to it, but I feel that my PS3 opinions are pretty well on the dot.
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These give those die hards that want the system before its ready a chance to enjoy them while waiting for Japan to get their act together and produce some Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Megaman or Tekken. Face it, beside the price ANY system would be better than Wii. All Wii has is that neat Wiimote/ Nunchuck. At the same time it is also a failure since as a remote control it has a considerable less amount of buttons and as a gamepad it suffers from the same issue. Its like disabling just the R2 button and removing circle from a ps controller. The cut in half design is neat as heck but the fact it is considered two controllers is completely unacceptable. Dualshock3 will retail for $60 while a full Wiimote will have to be sold in two pieces for more than that. Unacceptable my friends. I refuse to take the 360 seriously as they have the worst titles. Tecmo and Capcom are the only reason that system survives. Otherwise they can only rely on the Ignorant Masses that are sold by nothing more than a commercial. Their best titles are all better on PC anyway. Worst thing about 360 is its similarities to a PC. Comparing one to a pc leaves it in a very lame place. Every damn cord on the thing including the generic parts have been modded so to be specific to 360s only. PS3 Will work with almost anything you plug into those sweet USB ports!
Give up the dispute. Go PS3! If you have played any game on either competitors for over 100hrs+ then you got your money's worth. I guess the 360 and Wii arent completely wasted but.
I am a sony fanboy because they ARE the best. Not because your a freakin idiot who wasted your money on something lamer.
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Second these articles are like lighter fluid for fanboys......
Be happy with the system you have and stfu. Also "xyal_zx" i think everyone will refuse to take you seriously.
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Sony is also from Japan which means the PS3 is.
"as far as I am concerned, its not the popularity of the system that I am concerned about its the support of CAPCOM, SQUARE-ENIX, KONAMI, NAMCO and NINTENDO"
Since when did Nintendo make games for the PS3?
"These give those die hards that want the system before its ready a chance to enjoy them while waiting for Japan to get their act together and produce some Metal Gear"
Umm metal gear is out its 2008 dude....do you live under a rock?
"All Wii has is that neat Wiimote/ Nunchuck. At the same time it is also a failure since as a remote control it has a considerable less amount of buttons and as a gamepad it suffers from the same issue."
Most of the Wiimotes buttons arent used to play games, it does have a motion sensor and IR pointer you know?
"The cut in half design is neat as heck but the fact it is considered two controllers is completely unacceptable."
This one made me laugh....Nintendo designed a controller cut it in half and sell it in two bits? lol
You dont have to buy the Nunchuck as most games make use of the Wiimote.
"I refuse to take the 360 seriously as they have the worst titles. "
Oh its get better....
Looks like you refuse to take anything seriously and the 360 has loads of great titles.
"Tecmo and Capcom are the only reason that system survives"
Bungie, Ubisoft, Activision etc need i list more developers?
"Worst thing about 360 is its similarities to a PC"
How on earth did u get that? have you even seen a 360? Oh i kow how you got it since Microsoft make OSs then you thought it would be a PC...yh no it isnt like a PC.
"PS3 Will work with almost anything you plug into those sweet USB ports!"
Yh......NO!
Better luck next time
google youd be supised the facts you can learn from there.
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Wii is just like Gamecube. They always love being 3rd place with the same spot with Gamecube.
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The Wii is great.
360 is great.
PS3 is great.
We're consumers, as long as the developers and features please us, does it matter?
Saying the 360 is better than the PS3, is like saying Pepsi is better than Coca Cola. It is all down to our personal likes and dislikes. When it comes to them, no one is really wrong. Accept other peoples views.
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but im sorry, when people spend good money on a console there should be no fear of a red ring. "one especaly a hard core gamer shouldnt have to worry if they are playing their console for too long, that they may fry it''
I did own two 360's the first one red ringed after four months. then I took that one back. and shelled out extra money for an elite unit, which red ringed shortly after I bought it.. maybe it was faulty wireing in my home. maybe it was something that was my fault, but none of my other consoles ever fried like that,, :(
I loved the 360. the way the console preformed. the games it had.
And i know I could have just sent them into microsoft to get them fixed. it's nice that microsoft fixes them for free.
but look it at from another angle. if you go to a burger joint. and they serve you a burger that has clearly been droped in the floor with dirt all over it. do you send it back. or leave the burger joint :(
again this is just my opinion, and my experiences i had with the 360.
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Save your typing, Do they all games? of course! Really to me I don't care if I own a 10 year game system as long as it gets me unbored.
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I never said ps3 played nintendo games, just that that company's games sell consoles. DOES NINTENDO AMERICA MAKE THOSE GAMES? NO. moron.
ubisoft sucks wtf has bunjie made other than halo? nothing and halo is *****e in my opinion.
(i really hate the recharging shields) quake pwns halo in an instant. (and i dont like quake much either.)
i know when metal gear comes out. do you think anyone who bought a ps3 at launch didnt already know this? your an idiot again for assuming i didnt.
wow ya your right about the wiimotes buttons BUT that doesnt change or argue my point in any way ya moron. and you do need the nunchuck for most games. you dont NEED it to play most games but you basically DO need it to play most of them comfortably. btw six axis is also motion sensative.
360's titles are subjective to the user's interest. none of them interest me. the ones that do are out for pc. (Tecmo and now Namco titles aside) I hope you dont list anymore developers as they are NOT JAPANESE so your only clairifying my point even more! Thanks ya moron.
360 tries to be like pc in many ways. ms is one of MANY good examples. thanks for giving me another. i was refering to the genres and system abilities however.
How many things have you tried plugging into your ps3 usb ports? I have gotten 3 different usb hubs to work 2 different mouses 4 different ps controller converters and many different keyboards to work as well. None of which were specificly designed for PS3. so wtf do you mean they dont? that just shows your ignorance far outweighs your own information so. yh.. whaever .
if i look stupid to you you must be completely handicapped. (btw sorry if you really are)
I only refer to myself as a fan because im so happy with what ive got. Sony's consoles are the evolution of the best original consoles if you ask me. (snes and nes.) its a shame a lot of the developers i like continue to spread my faveourite franchises onto different consoles but that doesnt mean i hate them. thanks for spending so much time on your reply though.
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While it is true I do not see the 360 coming in first and the PS3 will take the lead againist the 360, I see the same results as the last gen console, Nintendo in third, Sony First and Microsoft in second, the PS3 has the hardware to ensure it's longevity as a console for many more years to come, the 360 how ever will soon be releasing every major title on multiple disc or risk keeping content out to ship on one, the wii is not only a fad but an over clocked gamecube with motion sensing remotes, it has no major titles other than the first party titles only die hard nintendo fans seek.
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Heres a link to show you how the sales have been for Wii games, you'll see what I am talking about when you see it:
http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name+
+console+Wii+de veloper++publis her
++genre++keywor d++order+Sales
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The Wii is outselling the ps2 at the same point in it's lifetime. Onto the games issue; the Wii just like the DS had mostly crap games at the start, but I definitely see that changing.
I can't really comment much on 360 yet. I have to wait until E3, but to hold off your statement where you said the ps3 outsold the 360 in total sales isn't true, as a matter of fact since the price drop in EU 360 sales doubled.
Back to the analysts for a second didn't Micheal Patcher(the so called best analyst) Say that ps3 sales for April would be roughly 100,000 higher than 360 and that the ps3 version of GTA would outsell the 360 one. Since it's a 'Playstation' game lol.
Analysts say stupid things all the time. The Wii isn't a fad and the 360 isn't in trouble yet. I like my ps3, but it's games that'll be released this year are good, but I can't say it will be it's year at all.
The 360 still could win this year in games, it's still too early to call software titles this year. Also, I see the 360 is in a good position it has a record high attach rate and it sales are sturdy. The Wii is winning is console sales and the ps3 is in between.
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I dont hate the PS3 i think its a great console and same goes for the Wii.
"I never said ps3 played nintendo games, just that that company's games sell consoles. DOES NINTENDO AMERICA MAKE THOSE GAMES? NO. moron."
Then learn to write sentences in which people understand what the hell your trying to say, commas also help :)
I also didnt say Ubi or Bungie where great developers i jsut listed a few which make games for the system that sell!
Again make your sentences make sense...sheesh.
The only reason you would by another Nunchuck is if your original broke. Most game that have multiplayer use the Wiimote without the nunchuck!
You get a nunchuck with the Wii(another thing you can learn)
Pfft SixAxis sucks and was probably a late addon to copy Nintendo, DS3 would have been better than SA from the start. Before you go saying "OMFG!! HOW IS THE SIXAXIS CRAP OH NOES MY PS3 IS CRYING " iv played various games that use SixAxis the worst was Motorstorm was bearly usable and in other games its just "tacked" on.
Yes lets all hail Japanese dvelopers
Oh wait there are great developers other than Japanese ones.(In love with Japanese devs or something have a wierd thing for them? its ok im not judging
"360 tries to be like pc in many ways. ms is one of MANY good examples. thanks for giving me another. i was refering to the genres and system abilities however."
Why because a company that is into the buisness of PCs make one of their other products the same? Then bt your logic i could be calling the PS3 a Portable MP3 player or TV?
OMFG WOW it can have a keyboard and mouse, even the Wii have a keyboard, again i was going by what you said "The PS3 can have anything in the USB slots"
Yes you do look very stupid to me and even if i was handcaped why the hell would that matter. If i couldnt walk would that somehow make me stupid? No...Shows how insensetive and insecure you are.
Neh your not a fanboy...most fanboys that are educated enough to make their argument based on fact. You didnt even know Sony was a Japanese company.
Oh if your calling me young, if your anything over 20 then you need to get a life, your PS3 is not your friend.
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point 1: video games come from japan
actually, video games originated in america with Atari being the first video game company EVER. look it up on wikipedia.
point 2:support
support of nintendo? since when has nintendo ever made a game for sony? the last time nintendo worked with sony, it was when the ps1 was supposed to be a snes add on. that, of course, got scrapped so the ps1 was launched as a stand-alone console.
point 3:wii
that neat wiimote/nunchuck is kicking everyone's ass idiot... it is revolutionary, and this is coming from an owner of the ps3 AND wii.. devs just aren't putting it to good use right now... hopefully they will because the wii has alot of potential..
point 4:wii controller
cut in half design because games on wii have so many control options... you can play with the wiimote and nunchuck, wiimote sideways, classic controller, or gamecube controller; all to match your playing style.. and the wiimote and nunchuck are sold seperately because nearly all wii games don't require the use of the nunchuck.. yea its annoying, but its called MARKETING... jeez have you ever played a wii..?
point 5:360 titles
worse titles? 360 has a great lineup. they have alot of great games, just like the ps3. where have you been? yea it is true that third party devs are what keeps 360 alive, but i mean come on.. you didn't even list the bulk of them... tecmo, capcom, EA, 2k games, rockstar, vivendi, sega, bungie, midway, treyarch... those are just a few of them... those are third party devs that make games for 360... so.. where have you been..?
point 6:360+pc
well.. i wonder.. maybe its because its made by MICROSOFT, which is a software company that makes PC SOFTWARE... sony also makes SOFTWARE.. if you didn't know, the ps3 is also like a pc... all consoles are like pcs that are made to play games... thats what they are.. so if you hate the 360 for being like the pc, then you should also hate the ps3 for being like a pc...
point 7:usb
ps3... pc... usb... hmmm.. ps3 works with usb devices... just like a.. PC!!!! so this actually coincides with point 6. amazing huh. looks like ps3 is more like a pc than 360... dumbass...
point 8: opinions..
opinions are a funny thing.. its called free will... you see, humans have free will, allowing us to all think and act differently according to events that led up to the present... you can't say that 360 owners wasted their money on the 360, because thats your opinion.. you can't say sony is the best, because that is your opinion... you can't make someone else believe in your opinion.. you can't change someone else's opinion, into your opinion.. because thats like being a DICTATOR and if you want to be a DICTATOR, go to CHINA or CUBA or any other COMMUNIST COUNTRY AND GTFO OF A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT....
its good that you stated that you are a sony fanboy, as i will admit that i favor mostly in sony's eyes.. but don't say that the 360 or wii suck.. because its obvious you have no idea what makes these consoles run... you have no idea the hardware, the processing power, and the revolutionary technology that is put into consoles.. yea i don't like the 360.. but i am planning on getting one to change my opinion of it.. there are great games for the console that i don't want to miss out on.. i could wait for a pc port, but that would take years, and i would need to spend $200+ to upgrade my pc to play the port... so i say ***** that im getting the console.. you're not a gamer... you can try to act all high and mighty all you want.. you're just some stupid kid that doesn't know ***** about business.. thats obvious...
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We just can't say which game will have the best lineup this year(wait until E3) or the next. Every Sony fanboy said 2007 will be the ps3 year it'll kill the Wii and 360, but it didn't. I probably expect the ps3 to outsell the 360 at some point, but it will never touch the Wii.
I like all the consoles and own them all, but claiming one console will be in trouble,etc. Is just too funny. We don't even know what games Nintendo will release in the Fall, or even know what's MS game plan either. New IPs, price drops? New controller? etc.
I can't make any early predictions, but I do know the Wii will the console war and the 360 will win in software sales.
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The truth is his genre of games, the only console that have that diversity and with better quality is called PS3. He love his ps3 yes, but he is not a blind fanboy either. Bioshock will come to the ps3 and I can swear he will not buy it in the ps3 and me neither.
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problem is the 360 is only great in USA, but in Japan Europe and every other large gaming market the xbox360 is being outsold by the PSP Wii PS3 PS2.
so if these analysts are only talking about the US market then by all means the 360 is the greatest, but i think they are just stating the facts they have gathered for the Worldwide market.
The Wii will always have a very large support from japanese gamers even if it is just for kids.
i still remember the gamecube is not that far away from ps2 here in japan.
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All in all, there is no clear winner this gen, all three will do well in their own rights.
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Wii sucks, big time.
360 is ok.
But I've always been a Playstation fan, from Playstation One too the PS3, and the PSP off course.
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As for those of you who still go on about 'casual' and 'hardcore'... STOP. Games are not casual or hardcore. GAMERS define that depending on how much they play their games. So, for all of you that still go on about the Wii being rubbish because it's less powerful, only suited to casual f***ing games, blah blah blah... get a goddamn grip.
What is it with fanboys? I'm a Wii owner, and a long-time Nintendo fan. My brothers own a 360 and a PS3, of which I can see the merits for (although certainly more for the PS3... MGS4. 'Nuff said). I don't flame other consoles with ridiculous Nintendo fanboy propaganda, nor should anyone else with ANY console. It's not cool, it makes you look like a pillock, and it takes away from the purpose of the comments box... to discuss the article (I know I'm guilty of digressing). I can't remember ever reading a comments list without someone starting an argument over something as trivial as the fact that they don't like the Wii, so Nintendo fans are gay, or the Wii is a ripoff, or the 360 is 'too similar' to a PC (WTF?), or the PS3 only has crap games...
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sony will always be the big kid on the block. just accept it. we need good competition to make us better. otherwise the product gets stale. wrestling fans know what i'm talking about.
the wii is a fad that made alot of money. you cannot change the sport you're playing but with ps3/360 games you change missions, characters, etc. so your interest is still there. i don't like the 360 but the sales numbers don't lie. playstation might struggle at times but will come out on top.
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ZOMFGBBQWTFF#@* %!
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And multiplatform games will keep ps3 and 360 level with each other
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I think the PS3 will easily catch up and even surpass the 360. I will admit, however, that the 360 has a big enough install base at this point that it will never be considered a "flop" or the "loser" (like the last generation).
As far as the Wii goes, I still think that the PS3 has the ability of catching up. I am not completely putting my money on because of the huge install base that it has already built. I will say that if you are still playing the Nintendo Wii in 2011 (much like I will still be playing PS3), you are a *****ing loser.
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I was surprised that the Blu-Ray victory didn't push up PS3 sales at all. Even more shocking was that GTA IV didnt seem to be have the impact in hardware sales that a lot of people (including myself) had predicted. I cant see MGS4 moving much extra hardware if GTAIV couldn't.
You've got to look at the Wii and think how much of it's install base is eatting into that PS2 install base. I know quite a few people that owned a PS2 that now own a Wii. That's definately a big problem for both Sony and MS. No wonder they are both working on Wii like motion controls.
I can't see a flood of people flocking to the PS3 this year without another $100 price cut. When you have 2 very popular and successful products selling for cheaper, it's not going to be easy.
I dont think MS is in trouble. They have a lower priced entry console and have guaranteed that nearly all major third party titles will arrive on their platform. They've only had to price cut $100 vs Sony's $200. If the PS3 does start to push ahead I expect MS will finally get more aggressive with pricing.
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As for the 360 being in trouble...well that would probably only be true if they stop signing exclusives (like Sony did with the exception of a few titles - they should have signed GTA IV as exclusive to instantly boost their position in "the war"). Just my two cents worth though
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I'll just leave it as.....as usual Mr. Common Douche Bag is dead wrong!
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If the original Xbox would have outsold Playstation 2, it would have sucked ***** anyway.
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I've been a Sony fan for most of my life, since the PS1 wowed me nearly 15 years ago with Ridge Racer (it was cutting edge back then) and subsequently through the PS2 and then the PS3. Don't get me wrong, XBox and the Xbox 360 are great consoles, but the Xbox came out after the PS2 and I wasn't going to own both (what's the point?) and I decided I wanted a PS3 and not an XBox 360, mainly down to the ridiculous reliability problems I'd heard about with the 360 machine (RROD etc). I mean, my mate has had a 360 for 4 years and has recently received his EIGHTH console. That's simple unacceptable for me and turns me off M$ straight away, surely they'd have fixed such a major issue long ago in the manufacturing process? Apparently not.
So, IMO the PS3 is going to surpass the 360, there is no way the 360 with it's DVD's can compete with the next gen titles the PS3 is going to offer (imagine fitting MGS4 on a DVD? Exactly). The PS3 gets stronger every month with new titles released and will continue to get stronger and continue to snatch sales away from M$. Look at GTA4, which had to be developed for both the 360 and the PS3. This caused major problems for the developers because they were dealing with two totally different platforms and two totally different sets of code. Subsequently this delayed the release fo the game by six months. If GTA4 had been PS3 exclusive then you can bet that a lot of the 'missing' features from San Andreas wouldn't have been missing at all, they were simply removed because of lack of space (on the 360 DVD) and they probably felt that by adding them to the PS3 version only would annoy 360 fans and probably breach some sort of agreement with M$ (possibly regarding DLC). Anyway, long and the short of it is, next gen gaming is going to be increasingly biased toward the PS3, until M$ relase their next console (the 1080 or whatever).
As for the Wii, I'd have to agree it's a little faddish. Sure, it's fun for a couple of hours playing Mario Party or whatever, but compared to the other two it's way behind, the graphics are mediocre at best and the majority of the games seem to be designed specifically for the casual gamer. Fair play to Nintendo for the way they marketed the Wii, and the fact they don't import enough seems to be a way of artificially generating demand, I can see the Wii continue to lead the way as far as casual gaming goes, but as someone above stated, just because your gran play's it doesn't mean she'll buy it, I will NEVER buy a Wii because they are the equivalent to me of air hockey. Fun for a quick bash but devoid of any long term appeal.
Feel free to flame me to death, the more mature among you may like to counter my comments with your own intelligent retorts.
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but they should of hold back test if it will error (RROD)
They did not know blue ray, HDMI and wireless internet was going to go big.
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1. If you judge your console by how many "pretty buttons" it has, you're some kind of stupid that I've never even seen before.
2. Nintendo doesn't have many 3rd party alliances because they have so many exclusive franchises in the first place, which is why people keep coming back to them for more.
3. Dude, it's Microsoft, of course they're going to make everything they produce work exclusively with their products. Get used to it and try to enjoy the games.
So yeah, get over Sony, stop trying to say they're the end-all-be-all of gaming, because they're not. Nintendo saved gaming in the 80's and Microsoft jumped in so quickly and was still a hit; so I think each company is respectable in their own right.
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My thoughts:
The Wii will either keep selling strong or slow down and keep up with the PS3 and 360. It's just to big of a hype....good console in terms of sale and innovation, but not so good in terms of about everything else.
The 360 will stay at the same rate it's been going now.
PS3 will keep rising, and have a boom when MGS4 and KZ2 are released, but nothing to big. Then it will slow down and keep at the same pace it is now.
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2. Even if they did take something worth taking from the competitors, consumers would turn around and say "OMG THEY COPIED! UNORIGINAL WTF"
3. That must be why Super Mario Galaxy and Mario Kart Wii are getting fantastic scores on most all gaming sites/magazines.
4. Why should they? They're already the cheapest console on the market? Most consoles wait a few years to lower prices anyways, so chill out.
5. I just looked through my library of games and I saw Dolby printed on the back of nearly all Wii games I own, and plenty of GCN games as well. DVD players would only drive of that price you're so concerned about. For being the first console of their to support online capabilities, they're actually doing pretty good.
6. Supply and demand. limit the supply to extend the demand. Foundation of the economy, dude. (Of course US economy is down the ***** hole right now, but Nintendo is Japanese anyways, so it really doesn't matter)
7. Like Nintendo can control the effort the 3rd parties put into their games. Nintendo has plenty of 1st and 2nd parties that make fantastic games, so if the 3rd parties want to short change Nintendo, that's their loss.
8. Yeah, and look how the PS3's Sixaxis turned out, clumsy and unresponsive, good luck, Microsoft.
Shazzam.
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i have ben reading all the posts on here and wanted to touch on some subjects so here i go (take em how you want).
1)if you do your reaserch WELL and indepth you will find that atari was not the first gaming consol out.. it was just the first major and most notible one out.... the original to my knowladge was a nintendo based company created by the japanese.
2)in my opinion the wii has more loyal and die hard fans then any system for the fact they have ben around longer and developed more games (some VERY big).
3)allthough the 360 may have more "better" games do to bieng out a year earlier it also has alot of failed bombed games as well.
4)to me sony has more backups to keep it going for years to come as the 360 has very little and has to keep thinking of new ones (witch is not allways a good idea,but can be great at the same time).
5)sony also has a better character lineup as well then the 360 and wii-just becouse nintendo has ben out forever doesnt mean it has allwas done good...
6)if your open minded to gaming as i am then youll find that ps3 has quit a few awsome games to keep you goin and havn fun... but if your only sticking mainly to a certain genre then its a different story.
7) AND in my personall opinion i would rather have few failed games on the ps3 then a GREAT number of 360 CONSOLES failed on me witch i can just play other games on ps3 to decide from or buy a new one for 65 greens ones at max price rather then paying either another couple hundred dollars to purchase a new 360 or have it fixed for cheap (but you could also spend just as much as a new 360 if yours keeps failing and keep having it fixed)- i had a 360 and liked it for the time i had it but of course it failed on me w/the rrod TWICE might i add.
8)and my lastly opinion is that i truly think the ps3 will reign in the end do to the fact that sony is not only developeing more AAA titles in the future they are also at the same time upgrading hardware and focusing on more then just the games but on the technology and power the sytem produces-sony has more available harware options to creat so much for and keep advancing as the 360 has to make multiple consoles to grade to the other type of gamers on the 360.... notice i havnt mentioned the wii.... thats becouse from the start nintendo seperated themselves from the console war and are a stand alone console that plays its own judgement-the only "war" thats going on would be between the 360 and ps3.... and btw nintendo DOES have a pretty strong relationship with sony and has worked wiht sony PLENTY of times in the past (dont know about now).
anyways my hands are getting tired so ima stop lol. peace out!
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PS3 the most powerful you can use the internet on the damn thing!! but...its game selection that is exclusive on the ps3 is very bad there will be a few high notes with MGS4 and... killzone? yeah right w/e but other then that there really isnt any killer app type games for it.. but....MGS4 alone to me as enough of a reason to buy it but thats just for mgs fans
The Wii there isnt many with it either but as more and more people go to friends houses to play SSBB wii sports wii fit wii, wii, wii people are starting to relize that being able to control your character down to the T makes the game so much more fun where as on 360 all controller and the PS3 has the sixaxis which is ok but not many games use it
The last but not least the 360 the Systen much like the Xbox made for shooters it was the first system with triggers that slide back will probably forever remain the shooter system there hasnt been a single million dollar making shooter for any of the 3 systems that was exclusive Halo 3, the upcoming bioshock trilogy, Gears of War, Left 4 dead and numorous others. thats just the begining with other games ninja gaiden 2 and many more no lie the PS3 Wii and 360. ps3 being the best looking with no games in it, wii having the best control, but with out the games it all means ***** theres over 50 really good 360 exclusive games that are being played online as we speak but on the ps3 you have resistence(mayb e), UT3(soon to be Live!!),COD4(mo re people are on 360), and umm hmm i think thats it
not to be an anti-ps3 person cus i sure as hell will buy one at the end of summer after i geta wii in a few weeks because its the ***** but it in the game area has no power where as a console it has the most
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MCS reads news on QJ.
Regardless of what it concerns, MCS posts something offensive to Nintendo, Wii owners, etc, or something just generally ridiculous.
ISOhaven reads news, and scrolls down to comments.
ISOhaven absolutely owns MCS with consummate ease.
I read news, scroll down to comments, and read the latest argument, which ISOhaven won a long time ago.
If ISOhaven hasn't mentioned something, or hasn't posted, or if I just feel like it, I decide to own MCS myself.
MCS says something about "isoretard" not being able to admit when he is wrong, and in doing so, practically defines irony.
Repeat ad nauseum.
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dont think up to mgs4 date,think beyond.
and just to let you know as everyone knows (hopefully) ps3 outsold xbox 360 last holiday season (christmas and wutever was next. dont care)... it sold more at gamestop and others as well (even sold more then the wii just for the fact that there were more ps3's on the shelves. look it up dude.
well im glad your buying a ps3 as you will not be dissapointed this and espercially next year since theres gunna be hardly ANY 360 exclusives.
1)ninja gaiden 2 was allready announced to be ported to ps3 next year
2)mass affect and of course bioshock 1 2 and 3 are gunna be ported as well to ps3.
3)gears of war 2 is a pc game as well... and part 3 will be on ps3 too.
.... just stateing the facts but like i said ,go look em up for yourself . i do agree however that wii is da shiza forsho.
your such a 360 fanboy saying that ps3 has no games-have you even seen the games on ps3???? yeah shut your mouth dude,you dont even own a ps3 as i have owned 2 360"s last year and got fed up with the MASSIVE fail rate that still continues ti'll this day as well. 30 might have more good titles but has ALOT more sh*tty ones too. (think about it for a sec, just take that moment of silence). game are about personall preference as$ face so dont talk like wut you say is apsolutely a must and fact wen it all isnt. peace out foolio!
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360 is the result after directly attempting to compete with Playstation 2. Too eager, no care.
This is why i'm still a playstation fan.
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@Douche Bag - Since you are too ignorant to follow along properly I'll sum things up for you:
1. As stated in my comment I MISSED some good flames. In other words it was already over. I'm not like you, I don't beat dead horses.
2. There was no need to show HOW you were wrong as MANY OTHER people already did, see dead horse comment.
As for the power article... I even gave you a clue as to why you where wrong and you spread the link on ANOTHER article so other people can see how WRONG you are as well?
Oh man, your ignorance shows no end. Here's another clue for your empty brain...not always, but sometimes a heating element IS A COIL!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! !!!!
I even OWN YOU across multiple articles!!!!
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So...millions on top of millions of people who WILL be playing the Wii in 2011 are losers simply because you said so?
Pointless.....
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90% of american games blow. most have a half-life of one year before being replaced by a sequal. the others are usually themed on lame movies made by lame devs. us games give us mostly fps, racing and sports.
i have plugged in controller adapters and mics and mice and keyboards into the ps3. thats great and also i suppose wii are great too for doing that. wait usb on wii? theres no usb on wii is there?
ps3 runs any usb mouse and keyboard was my point.
thats pretty sweet. better than the alternatives.
talking about games 'that sell' consoles. not games 'for sale' for consoles. you were arguing that the companies i mentioned were not responsible for selling consoles and listed some more off. wtf.
360 controllers arent better than six axis in the ways i mentioned. 360 has crap dpad too.
sixaxis recharges itself. wii and 360 take batteries. maybe you still like that but i dont.
most of those wii games are still better with a nunchuck or classic controller. (yet another adaptor)
wii is dope for parties. when i see wii's ppl have 4 wiimotes and 4 chucks. probably brought by other ppl but they arent using the wiimote alone like you say they only need to BIH.
so back to my only real point, no ***** ps3 is going to dominate the charts. there is nothing better available.
if there were no one over 20 years old playing games then we wouldnt have as many decent games to play anymore. i hope i get to spend my whole life enjoying videogames.
go watch tv or somthing if your insecure with your own maturity while playing vids.
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How much was the price of tea in China? You've lost it. Since you've boasted about your high level of education lately.....disapointed? Go learn something, then come back!!!
"If you don't like my comments, fine. But I NEVER lie."
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! !!!!! I've busted you in SO MANY lies it's pathetic. Get over yourself. Do you want the master list of all your crap ONCE AGAIN?
"The only people who own a Wii are *****s, women and old people"
That is a quote from YOU. That comment is a LIE. That's one of at least 50. Want more?
"Look at my post above. Any lies? Of course not."
Only in your narrow minded world does ONE POST constitute fact.
"When did I lie isoretard?"
Read above moron.
"Are going to mention the Wavebird again? No, you aren't the type to beat a dead horse."
Accounting history is not beating a dead horse. Try again.
"I corrected myself on that single innacurate statement"
Single? HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Even in this article I mentioned BOTH the wavebird and the NDS connectivity. That's TWO. 1 plus 1 equals TWO..... Wow, that high horse tech school you went to really fried your BRAIN!!!!
Since you've boasted about your high level of education lately.....innacurate? Go learn something, then come back!!!
"dumbf*ck, something your Wii-tard brain is incapable of."
HAHAHA!!!! Wow, you're really on the loose now!!!
"I always have a good laugh trying to visualize isoretard. I've even prepared a psycological profile of him......."
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! !! !!!! Wow, you truly have too much time on your hands.
Since you've boasted about your high level of education lately.....psycological? Go learn something, then come back!!!
"Miamoto's and his d*ck is probably the same size."
Ok, this is like the 10th time you have mentioned a private part of Miamoto on a graphic level....seriously....go get help!
"How accurate was that?"
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! !!!!
"Nobody NEEDS to prove me wrong"
Who said anyone NEEDS to? People WANT to. This is more made up BS in that garbage dump of a head of yours.
"I also question those who agree with you, seeing as you fail to ever make a point"
Correction, you FAIL to understand....HAHAHA!!!!!!!
"Only a complete dumbf*ck gives a s*it."
Oh man...he's STEAMING now!!!
"You all should be very proud of your lives!"
Why, yes...I enjoy the life I've built for myself. Thanks!
"Seeing as you ARE wrong, I thought it would be amusing. Unfortunately, Wii tards know little if anything about electricity so they will likely agree with you as well."
Sleep tight! Don't let the bed dugs bite!!!
"I don't hate isoretard, I pity him. I've never come across someone so egotistical, arrogant, and so full of s*it that it comes out his ears."
Interesting, because those are the EXACT words people say about you. Good job Mr. Parrot!!!
Speaking of egotistical and arrogant....explain to us again how you come from the BEST tech school in the "area"? Talk about a hypocrite!!!!
"Did I lie on this page?"
There's that small mindedness again!!!!
"Did I lie on any other pages?"
HELL YEAH!!!! Most of your lies are, "I never said that", which are 100% of the time followed up with a QUOTE from you proving you DID say "that".
"An opinion cannot be true or false."
WRONG!!!!!!!!!! !!!! An opinion based on FALSE information is a FALSE opinion. Hating the moon because it's square is a FALSE OPINION.
Oh man.... You are WRONG on a daily basis.
"Therefore, by that dumbass comment, YOU are LYING."
Read this entire comment over again, I pointed out factual lies and point out how an opinion can be false.
"I could care less if any Wii-tards ignore that lie of yours, along with many others."
I've constantly posted LINKS to your lies. To date you have NEVER been ab
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I've constantly posted LINKS to your lies. To date you have NEVER been able to show where I've lied. Because I don't lie. Only pathetic little boys like you lie.
Also, you uneducated moron, it's could NOT care less. Obviously you DO care. HAHAHA!!!!!!!!! !
"They might be upset at first upon hearing the news, until they realize how great life is without you."
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! ! That's great!
I LOVE seeing everything that I bring out of you. With every character you type you only further complete my goal...this is AWESOME!!!
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PS2 is a pc becasue it has a addon to run like a pc.
xbox is a pc because it carry's the same HD that's on everybody's computer. Just makes it as PC but tighter security so nobody steal games like PC games are now.
xbox360 is a pc but carrys like a laptop HD and it reads KEYBOARDS and REMOVABLE STORAGE but its just like the regular xbox but more powerful and usb ports.
PS3 is a PC and allows you to use OS so it is a pc too but not windows, just linux.
Wii, really who cares? PC possible?
Game Consoles>Morden PC Games because tighter security so nobody cant re-edit or steal a copy.
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Anyways back on topic. I got 360 but does not mean that I going to quit playing my ps2.
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So shut your mouth!
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Proud owner of a PC Nivdia Gefore 8600, PSP, PS2, Sega, NES, and now xbox360.
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360 has a better libary
Wii cares about more garage addon's and little kido's games.
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More pointless garbage...
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Sure! I can do that, AGAIN! How many times am I going to have to though? You keep asking over and over again. I keep posting and you keep asking.... It's as if you think each article is fresh and no one already knows your a BS liar. So you think as long as none of your past crap is posted in each new article, then what? You're safe? I'm sick of using the lie where you said NINTENDO HAS NEVER given us the NDS connected to the Wii. I'm sick of your lie about how the wavebird DOES NOT work on the Wii. So let's see what else I have in my bag of tricks! Oh yeah! Ho about when you claimed there are MILLIONS of Wii's for sale on eBay? Yup, another lie!!! Or how about all times you explain that I suck Miamoto's private parts? Or that my marriage is in the crapper? Or that Miamoto invented the Wii Fit while on the toilet? Or when you claim more 360's sell then Wii's? Or how about the time you claimed that you backup EVERYTHING you say with facts? Which certainly explain the NDS connectivity, wavebird and eBay comments...HAHAHAHA!!!! That one can be found here:
http://wii.qj.net/Snes9xGx-wii-0-01b-with-source-code/pg/49/aid/114478
"I back up everything I say with facts" - Obviously a LIE (NDS, wavebird and eBay)
Well, there's one hardcore lie. That's the most interesting one I could come up with. You've seen my list of links and know I have plenty more for ya!!!
"You're proud of this life?"
I'm proud of MY life. Not BS made up LIE in your head.
"Don't lie, you know it's at least 80% accurate."
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! !!!!!
"I've found a way do explain all your retard behavior"
"a way do" Is that more of your BEST TECH SCHOOL education? HAHAHA!!!!!!!
"from excessive use of the word cute to your preference for children's toys"
Excessive? Yeah, I have ANOTHER LIE of yours to add to my list. I've use it what? Two? Three times? Also, only to piss you off! HAHAHA!!!!
You're so cute!!! Yes you ARE!!! You are the cutest little Mr. Common Douche Bag on whole big internet.....yes you ARE!!!!
"to the way you talk to everyone like they're 5 years old."
Not everyone. Only you. Here's another lie to add to my list. I might as well give you PROOF that this is lie right now, before you deny it like all your other lies!!!
Even though CHUCKINGROCKSAT SPACESHIPS and I don't ever see "eye to eye", you'll notice a perfectly NORMAL conversation is able to take place:
http://ps3.qj.net/Fatal-Inertia-EX-to-be-released-next-week-exclusively-on-PSN/pg/49/aid/121055/act/success
However, there is nothing NORMAL about conversations with Mr. Common Douche Bag because he's such a piece of crap!
"And true! Don't deny it! That would be great! One less stupid person on earth! Now what to do with the other 80%?"
HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
"I just thought this needed to be repeated since it didn't get through the first time."
That's all you ever do....repeat the same old BS.
"Mis-quote?"
"Nobody likes him because his ego is larger than Miamoto's and his d*ck is probably the same size."
"Miamoto's and his d*ck is probably the same size." PROOF you routinely change my words and LIE about what I said."
What the hell are you talking about? That is an EXACT quote from this page. OMG! You are such an IDIOT!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
"Perhaps you need the help. With the ego problem and the "male inadequacy.""
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! !! Oh, man...make it stop..... all this laughing hurts!!!!!
"Of course with your failled marriage"
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! !! !!!!
"and obvious personality and appearance problems, the chances you'll get laid again are nonexistant."
Oh man!!! Just same repeated crap over and over and over again. I LOVE how you make yourself look like a complete fool!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
"I wish somebody actually smart (not just thinking it) could have an intelligent debate on here. sigh...... "
Smart like you? HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! !!!!
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I'd like a good debate, even if someone proves me wrong and totally owns me, but only if their comments are factual and have good reasoning behind them. Not if they make up stupid lies and pi$$ people off intentionally.
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HAHAHA!!!! The same can be said about you. After all, here you are after 6 DAYS from the last post!!!!!
What a hypocrite!!!!!!
"More proof isoretard is a straight up homosexual."
You call that proof? I call it proof of someone being a dad. However, this is the difference between you and I. I'm not a douche bag and you are.
"Homosexuals do not have successful marriages"
Once again Mr. common douche bag is WRONG!!!! Homosexuals DO have successful marriages. Especially with each other. One could understand that mixed marriages probably don't work out to well. But even those HAVE WORKED.
You are such an ignorant little child.
"nor do people that spend 3 hours a day on the computer."
WRONG!!!! A very large percentage of people spend many hours a day working on computers, cash registers and so forth. Once again you are wrong.
"More lies from the master liar!"
What lies? You didn't point out anything of mine being a lie. You have to actually catch someone in a lie before calling them a liar.
"I said the DS-Wii connectivity is USELESS and only for Pokemon crap games"
WRONG!!! That is NOT what you said. YOU ARE A LIAR!!!!!! You said Nintendo has NEVER given it to us.
"which is true! It's only a lie if you CHANGE MY WORDS like always."
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! !!!! I've posted so many QUOTES of your lies, no one believes your BS.
"I'm sick of your lie about how the wavebird DOES NOT work on the Wii."
"Wow! You brought it up again! More proof you have nothing to argue."
I said, "SICK OF". Learn to read ENGLISH!!!!
"So let's see what else I have in my bag of tricks! Oh yeah! Ho about when you claimed there are MILLIONS of Wii's for sale on eBay? Yup, another lie!!!"
"Millions of Wii systems have been sold on ebay"
1. You have NO proof of that.
2. You said ARE FOR SALE. Not HAVE BEEN for sale.
"a requirement for many to get a Wii with Nintendo faking the shortage and all."
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! !!!!!!
"HA HA HA! That could be true. You being a known homosexual and love all the crap he comes up with."
MILLIONS on top of MILLIONS of people love what he comes up with. So all of them are homosexuals? You are such a douche bag!
"Most definately true. What kind of woman would want your BS on a daily basis?"
What BS? Are you going to pretend now how I treat everyone else in my life? HAHAHA!!!!!!!
The fact is, this is all you have now. All you do is run around and shout homosexual and fail marriage. You are such an utter failure that this is all you have left. I've stripped you of everything. You are the rated the LOWEST on this entire site. No one wants to hear from you. No one cares about what you have to say. A few days ago you managed to post ONE DECENT post. What happened to it? It was voted down to zero stars before one could blink! Because you are such a POS and no one cares about you.
So what does this tell us?
1. You know nothing of my marriage. There is FACT all over this site that I treat people with the highest of respect. Most of my posts are 5 stars.
2. We have FACT all over this site that you treat NO ONE with respect and you have on average half a star. That's if we search real hard otherwise you have zero stars.
So by looking at the FACTS alone I can the same things about you. What kind of PERSON (not just women) would want your BS on a daily basis.
Try again kid. You are only fooling yourself.
"A guy who considers online blogging more importatnt than taking the wife out once in a while? Only a fictional one."
Based on what? Notice I only blog from 9-5 mon-fri....HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Once again you FAIL.
"No, he "invented" it while on the bath scale."
WRONG!!!! You've said on more then one occasion that he invented the new BATH SCALE while on the TOILET. If you claim saying otherwise then that is another LIE!!!!
"You do not understand jokes or how to make them."
You lie so often no one can tell the difference. Anymore. Didn't your m
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You lie so often no one can tell the difference. Anymore. Didn't your mother ever read, "The boy who cried wolf" to you? Something else she missed eh?
"More proof your mairrage is in the toilet."
Your toilet crap is proof of my marriage? Do your words even make sense to you?
"I've NEVER said that, EVER."
Yes, you did.
"Stright up lie!"
I assume you meant Straight? More of that best in the world tech school education eh?
"I guess you need to make crap up to support your many lies."
If that helps you sleep at night!
"Anything that isn't an opinion is backed up with facts."
Very good!!!! At least you know "something". To bad all the things I mentioned were said by you AS FACT.
"Unlike you, readers can get propoganda-free news from me."
OMG!!!!!!!!! THAT US HILARIOUS!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!
Progopanda free!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! !!!!!!!
So you call being WRONG most of time....NEWS? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! !!!!!!
People can expect to get WRONG information from you. All the examples here are proof of that.
"I also correct myself when wrong, wow that's happened once!"
Wow, again you say once? WAVEBIRD, NDS and EBAY are THREE examples given in this thread alone. That's THREE right there.
"The reason I insult isoretard's personal life so much is simple. HE DESERVES IT."
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! ! Like I said above, you are a failure and that is FACT based on the FACTS founds all over this site.
"That and it's so much fun! You see, this "guy" clearly has issues"
And you base that on the fact that I keep "coming back" yet here you are SIX DAYS after the last post. HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
"and normally I would stay out of his business"
Oh man, that's a good one!
"but he's stupid, arrogant, egotistical"
Again? Dude, you keep saying that but myself and OTHER PEOPLE keep telling you, YOU ARE WRONG and that you are actually explaining YOURSELF.
How many times do MANY PEOPLE need to tell you the same thing before even your pathetic brain can figure it out?
"and can never admit being wrong."
You keep saying this and I've posted PROOF to YOU, TWICE, on two different occasions where I "understood" wrong. So the fact that you are saying this "now" makes it a LIE....HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! ! Wow, so many LIES in one post!!!
"The very qualities that make a person trash. "
Wow, if a 4.5 star average is trash then what does that make you? The dung beetles in the trash? HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! ! Or the DUNG! HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
"Yet again, isoretard FAILS."
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! !!!!
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