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the ps3 is going to be expensive, but it's WORTH it... do you see? it's worth paying 600 dollars for all the stuff you get in the ps3.



it will use mouse and keyboard, it will have linux, it will play all your old games (so that if you don't want to buy 3 new games instantly you can still play it ... it will have clever bits which make ps2 games look better) it will do all the cool things.



have you noticed the proliferation of these home computers which no longer look like computers? they sit like some dvd recorder or something under the tv and you don't realise it but they're actually a media center pc or seomthing... that's where ps3 will fit, but it will play games (media center pc's aren't so good at that) and these will be the best games in the world.



on no other platform will you get the sony ps3 games... so to all those who don't have a little unit that sits near their tv and does all the things a pc should do, the ps3 is the one you want, cos it costs the same (or less) and does more.



the wii is interesting, i can see it being a real hit early on but becoming a bit of a gimmick later (like after 2 or 3 years). will it have the scope for games that controllers/joysticks have? look at the world tournaments of games and things, they have mouse-keyboard games, and controllers, and joysticks... but i just wonder how you could become really pro at using the wiimote. it seems to me like when you get the odd light-gun game, you play it every now and then for a change, but not often and it still is only 1 in 20 games you play...

I forgot to mention this.



1. PS3 is not worth it, the graphics are great, but as said with some good programming 360 can have comparable on Par graphics. Also 360 is Semi Backward compatible and Wii is completely backward compatible. That leads me to my next point, sony is flexing 1st party muscle. They don't care about exclusives, they're dripping away, just like Assasin's Creed. Also Square-Enix is making a number of games for Wii and 360, I'm not completely sure that 13 will only be for PS3. Look at 11. The PS3 would be great, if it weren't so much money. Oh yes another thing it is cheap in terms of being a Blu-Ray Player, however Blku-Ray isn't a big enough leap in technology for it to be relevent. Also the raw power is needed because the high def support kills the framerate.

On my erlier point lets look at this realistically, Sony is using it's 1st parties, which are good, but do you really see Jak & Daxter as Mario killers? Or Shadow of the Colossus as a game to take down Zelda? It's not going to happen, and taking it another step lets compare Sony's 2 generations, to Nintendo's 4. SNES, NES, N64, & Gamecube, compared only to Ps1 and 2. This situation reminds me of the DS V PSP war in it's infancy, although I admit, PS3 is in a much better place then PSP, it really does seem like history is repeating itself.

Though I enjoyed reading your comments, I have to dissagree with you for the most part on more than just a few peices.



Part 1: Third Party Developers:

For some reason alot of people are forgetting the traditional console launch routine here. This has alot to do with Microsofts subpar 360 launch in my opinion, lets face it MS doesnt have alot of first party power going for itself. Since the days of the NES and even before with Atari and Commador 64, when a console of any kind launches, first party games ALWAYS take the lead first and foremost. These games, good or bad, are there to bring an initial installation of systems up to level were 3rd party devs feel safe to develop and sell their own games. They dont make money off of console sells and they have royalties, sdk's, and more to buy and pay for. So if theres no installation base to sell for not as many 3rd pary devs will be taking that dive. Sony isnt blowing off 3rd party developers here, they have already sent out over 10,000 SDK's and their 3rd party support is better than it was with the PS2 launch. Though there are a few Sony communication quirks, but lets face it, their way of thinking and understanding is a little different than normal, krazy kaz anyone?



Part 2: Exclusives:

There seems to be a small misconception when it comes to using the term Exclusive anymore. Reason being is theres multiple types of Exclusives. Theres marketing, timed, and only for.(that i know of) Games like MGS4, FF13, VF5, DMC4, ect. are 'only for' exlusives and will not be ported. Yes they are made by 3rd party devs, but these frachises have a specific console they are developed for. Final Fantasy 11 is an exception to this though, its genre makes it that, for it to be successful it has to have a wide installation base, thus why its on XB, PC, and XB360. It is not a hint at times to come. Also SquareEnix have been making Final fantasy games for Nintendo for years as well. Crystal chronicles, remakes, among other frachises. If the PS3 doesnt sell well then devs still have the ps2 to fall back on for sony. Unlike MS, sony will keep the ps2 alive and kicking for at least another 5 years. Hell they kept the ps1 going up to just recently. It may have to do with the 100% backwards compatibility that these older Sony consoles have been alive so long, but its also good marketing. When you put down money for something you want it to last, not die out as soon, if not shortly after something newer comes out. Its not about if the 360 can handle these games, its about system life, brand name, and marketing appeal. Most of Sony's exclusives would back to Nintendo before ever going to MS. If you ask why, look at Japan and you will have your answer. MS may have changed its design to try to appeal more to Japan, but their marketing and approach is way to american still, that and it doesnt help that their trying to change Japans gaming veiws instead of their own.

Part 3: Downward Spiral?:

Watch a bird of the sky's hunt its prey, they will circle, watch, and wait for the right time to strike. Starting in a downward spiral then swooping down straight and true with deadly accuracy. Though it may not be a good analogy, the point is there. Sony's gaming devision isnt about marketing or worrying about profits. Like a bird hunting for prey, they focus on their goals (even if they seem blured and confused to us) and go for it. Since the PS1, they have pushed the limits of gaming and markteting. Remeber when black didnt sell? DVD's were a horrid idea for gaming? CD's for gaming unethical? Good graphics for handhelds? With each console they released so far, they have pushed the boundaries of what was accepted at that time. Nintendo, since falling from the lead has played it safe, while Microsoft has enough trouble getting accepted outside of the ignorant US (theres to much we buy into to easily). Lawsuits will happen from time to time, lets face it, even with extensive research, small company that are normally unheard of can easily be overlooked or missed. The terrible ad campaigns, personally I liked them, they pushed what was accepted. The psp ads in the UK, why would someone actaually jump infront of a train cause an ad told you to, it defies common sence and only presses how some people are truely sheep. The Black/White ads, yes rascism is an important issue in the world, but was this add really racist? No, but to those who have mixed or unwell feelings towards others of different ethnicity or color, it was. Why? Because many people still havent accepted the fact that looks dont matter. If that ad and the rest of its set was made by a black man, i would have to laugh. Now that i think about it, the reaction to that add has more to do with peoples conception of violence than race but because the color issue is so apparent, its used as the provayient example. Did I mention that not insulting 3rd party devs is a good thing?



Part 4: Comparing Sony to Nintendo:

This comparison is flawed and more opinionated with alot of important bits and peices missing. Nintendo, since the days of the NES have mostly frowned on 3rd party devs because of what happened with the Atari and the crash of the game market. Though its not hard to blame them for doing so, they approached it badly. With the NES they shunned 3rd party devs who wanted in on the market again, with the SNES they just plain treated them horriblly, and with their backstab to Sony in their short partnership, many devs became fed up and jumped ship. This is were sony welcomed them openly. Though sony has never been easy to develop for and has some quirks in support communication. Sony has pushed for third party development going on to 3 console generations now. This alone puts them out of the comparison. Not to mention how their support gets better with each console and the PS3 is actualy easier to develop for than the PS2 was initially. Yes the PS2 is weak compared to the competition, but they have hit their promises from its launch, even Toy story esque graphics. Movement may not be as fluent or as crisp but many games have hit that par and passed it. The gril on Ridge racer when it came out around the ps2 was pretty close to that par, though you could still tell that she lacked the flexiblitly and articulation, the looks were there. Sony, has been doing the same thing they have been for over a decade now with their marketing, being on top this long will make anyone look arrogant, there is not room to show weakness. When you work your way up, you can put on the I'm a common man show to gather a following, but when it comes to a push comes to shove, you have to remain strong and unfazed or youll lose face. So far, every console with great over the top(for the time) graphics lacked the games to back it up. With this gen, I beleive that Sony may be trying to show that you can have a uber powerful console and still have great games that will sell. Besides, if you were a wouldnt you want a console to do more, so you dont have to limi

Also Sony cant force people to develop for their console alone, exclusives drip away at every console launch, whether it comes back is another story, Game devs were just as uneasy with the ps2 launch as with the ps3.



Part 5: Backwards Compatibility:

Backwars compatibility is something that either works great or doesnt work at all. With the XB360, it falls into the later, MS isnt focused on backwardscompat ibilitly, recently their devs have made this a lesser priority. Also all support for the Xbox has been dropped, making it look like an unwanted child that didnt live up to the parents expectations. The Wii is not backwards compatible beyond maybe gamecube games. The virtual console falls into a different catagory because you have to rebuy all your older games. Basically a legal emulater where you have to buy the liscences to all the roms you want to own. With Sony they made backwards comaptiblitly a top priority, to the point were they are even placing the Emotion CPU in the first few rounds of the PS3 until its fully emulated on a software level.



Part 6: Pricing:

I agree with Dax on this one. Its unrealistic to beleive consoles and games would stay the same price for decades, its wishful if not childish thinking. As games become bigger and more detailed(has nothing to do with play time), it takes more people to develop for. As this continues, game devs make less and less money off of each game sold, so to counteract this and to keep from going under, they raise prices to match the inflation and costs. Comparison wise, if you count in inflation for the what the NES would cost today it would come close to the PS3's current cost. This comparison only stands with the price inflation and not with technological advances with time. If you mad a NES today it could probably only cost you 20-40 dollars depending on bulk.



Part 7: Features:

Blu-ray may not be a large leap in technology but for its purpose, its plenty suficiant. If they were to include HVD (holographic versitle discs, i think) wich hold at least 300GB it would be overkill. On the software level it may not prove to be relevent yet in video aspects, but it supports better compression ratios than its currently using and may support further ones in the future, thats up to the movie industry though. For the PS3, it is enough to be relevant because of Hi-Def game, the graphics used take up alot more space than SD graphics. Oblivion for example is not in HD because of lack of disc space. Metal Gear Solid 4 wouldnt be possible using only the space on a DVD as well. The raw power needed for hi-def is great, but its up to the developer to use it or not. Its doubtfull that theyll release a game in high def thats below 30 fps, which is sufficiant. As they utulize the PS3's power more Hi-def processing will take less power as it becomes more streamlines and thus better framerates.



Going back to part 4 for a moment:

Sony is at the point of the SNES right now if you count NES and SNES as Nintendo's leading moments. But I would like to illerate the point that Sony is not following in Nintendo's footsteps right now because they have treated 3rd party devs well since the PS1 and continue to do so.



Part 8: PSP vs DS:

This is like the PS2 vs XB&GC, but reversed and in a closer ratio. For Sony putting out their first handheld, they seem to be doing pretty well going against Nintendos well backed brandname on the handheld end. Gameboys and DS's will sell by the nintendo logo alone, it also appeals to a younger wider audience. The PSP doesnt have alot of good games yet, but unlike the ds/gameboy line, its still in its infancy and finally starting to get out of the PS2 port phase of its life, with a good installation base better games have started to be released for the psp, not to mention homebrew.

Ok, I like how you turned the downward spiral, but Sony Computer Entertasinment is not Falcon. They are a very weak development company that gets lucky quite often. When they "revolutionized gaming" by what were the landmark titles? They Were SNES and Sega CD games. Final Fantasy Anthology, Lunar, etc etc. They're gols are clear, make money, thats everyone's goal thing is Sony lies cheat and steals they're way into the limelighjt. Now people might say Nintendo cheated Sony but when you actually break down the specific of the Playstation deal you'll see that Sony was attemp[ting to claim almost 90% of the profit for doing no more then putting in the eye that read CDs, the actual console part itself (the graphics card and such) was done by Nintendo. Also it was added to the underside of the SNES. Now maybe this never reached you, but here in the states it was a huge thing to turn your PS1 over. So in reality Nintendo was behind the PS1. Nothing about PS2, including DVDs was original about PS2, it was a nominally better console that got lucky when it beat Dreamcast. Peter Moore did a terrible job promoting the console and the Sony rep handeled it well. (I forgot his name, Sony has since fired him because he said the 360 was barely less powerful then the PS3).



As fopr the add campaigns they've had 2 TERRIBLE ad campaigns which are borderline racist. A white woman about to beat up a black one and the heading "White is coming" really does seem racist. Think about it, they're promoting White over black. I'm whiter then snow, but I think it's wrong to degrade black people. Now to keep going and talk about Immersion, Immersion isn't a tiny company, and even more so they're now part of Microsoft, why? Because the people at Microsoft aren't idiots. If Sony had bought part of immersion the lawsuit would go bye bye and they woulden't be at the impass that they are. They can't have force feedback in their controllers anymore. Speaking of which, 6 degrees, are you kidding me thats the stupidst thing I've ever heard.

Also they've been insulting 3rd parties going as far as saying that "Sony does not need Grand Theft Auto"



Now as for Nintendo, are you kidding me? they diden't shun ANY 3rd parties until N64 even giving 3rd parties the rights to 1st party games. Square made Mario RPG, and even past that even Blizzard made games for the SNES. They diden't shun anyone so that is a complete falsehood. Most devs diden't jump ship on Nintendo because of PS1 they jumped ship because it still used carts and because Nintendo itself was blowing them off just like Sony is doing now. Sony has lost the 3rd party vote, there are more Wii and 360 exclusives then PS3. Also many devs for example Hideo Kojima of Kojima productions has stated that the PS3 is MORE difficult to develop for. Sony has no reason to be arrogant they've always had an inferior product that has only done well through incredibly good marketing (BTW the closest they came to the toy story graphics was God of War which still diden't hit the mark).



In short Sony now has Phil Harrison, he's terrible too, almost as bad as Peter Moore, why? Both Told people to buy a Wii. When it comes to Sony they lost the best weapons they have because they have become arrogant, before they just wanted to make money, now they want to push people around. and you never told me why Nintendo and sony can't be compared? is it because when Nintendo leads the market it's a golden age and when Sony leads it is goes into recession? Did you know that if not for DS Gaming would be in a steady slide downward?

Luck isnt all luck, its one part ingenuity, one part skill, one part fate, and the rest is disbeleif.



When they revolutionalize d gaming, they did it on the hardware end and pushed developers to fill in their ideas to a fuller extent. The PS1's landmark titles were not of Lunar, Final fantasy Anthology, and other SNES and Sega CD titles. Their landmark titles are similar if not the same franchises they use now. Final Fantasy 7 in particular helped make the ps1 what it was, along with Metal Gear, XenoSaga, Crash Bandicoot, WarHawk, and many others. Yes Final fantasy and Metal gear was originated on Nintendo Consoles, but the Metal Gear Solid series started on the PS1 and Final Fantasy games are seperate entities from one another that share a franchise name. Every business's goal is to make money, its a mute point. They have pushed gaming hardware and marketing with each console, every company has lied or cheated at one time or another, like sony's toystory 'lie', the graphics are there plain as day, kindom hearts 2, cars, mgs3, FFX-2, the real time facial demostration of FF:spirits within, i can go on here. Every one says that the graphics dont match up to toystory, but graphics do not include movement, just looks. If it hasnt been proven why hasnt sony put together a realtime reenactment of a scene from toystory. It may seem like a slap in my own face, but its either that games prove it enough that they dont have to or cant. I like how you bring in the specifics of the playstation deal, but thats just business, if a company comes up to another and you know their loaded, you would want to get as much out of them as possible. Nintendo could have worked them down if they were not so impatient. The fault falls on Nintendo, not for Sony trying to get a deal best for themselves but for Nintendo breaching the contract and trying to contract another company while under the contract with sony. In business its usual to start high and work down to a suitable standing. Due to Nintendo's impatience, poor negotiation skils, and sneaking, they cheated themselves. The graphics and such were designed by Nintendo under that same contract they breached thus losing claim to it. The legal system at work huh? I beleive that the first batch or two of the PS1's had a defect with the cd lense so for some you had to turn it upside down or on its side for it to play, and I do remember it being a big thing at school because one of the 'cool' kids where boasting at a party how he likes to put hes ps1 upside cause it 'runs faster' while they were playing hockey then everyone else started to for a while, I live in the states, just east of pittsburgh, by the way. You are right that the PS2 was pretty unoriginal including the DVD feature, but back then it was unheard of, illogical, and thought of as a pretty stupid move because they thought, like the blu-ray, that no games would ever reach that size. Yes the Ps2 did get lucky with the dreamcast dropping out of the console run, but in truth Sony would have still came out on top with the dreamcast a close second. I love sega and wish they would still be running hardware, but they lacked the software backing because of a few flounders. Back then a console didnt have to be original to sell or to be liked. The dreamcast brought the modem to gaming, Sony DVD and a planned harddrive that took forever and a day to be brought to the states (final fantasy 10 was able to be installed onto it along with a few other games in their japanese versions), then the Xbox brought dvd, hdd, and modem together with XBL. Speaking of which, didnt the dreamcast have the same leadon the PS2 back then as the XB360 does? Immersion may not be tiny, but their tactics are really low. Jokingly, im suprised they havent sued Lego or those metal construx things that came with motors. I use to use the motors to make things walk in the same fashion they use the patented force feedback, an offset weight on a motor. Microsoft may not be stupid, hell they took dos from under apples nose litterally. But their business tactics

But their business tactics are simple and childish. If you cant beat them and pull them under, buy them out, very american by the way. Sony has always been stubborn, its just how they are. Maybe it comes from the samurai tradition, not sure, but that would mean every loss someone would have to disembowl themself if taken literally. If you want to applaud Microsoft for their tactics and buying everything that apposses them then go for it. I just see no honor in it. Oh what about Immersion trying to strike a deal with Sony now to put back in rumble? Dont you think thats a low business tactic there? Their trying to get more money out of sony by doing so, while if they would have sat down and worked things out properly, maybe even give sony a good deal instead of quick cash they would be getting more over time.



i still dont see how the ad was racist, its like a white girl trying to hit a white girl or a black girl against a black girl, plus to mention that the next ad in that particular set had the black girl kicking the white girls ass. All this commotion behind this ad reminds me of how many people in this world still have trouble accepting something different from themselves or their norm.



Actually 6 degrees of tilt isnt bad, its another way of saying you can left or right, up or down, or foward and back in any direction. Think about it, there are 3 axis on a 3d plane, x,y,and z. These three axis represent horizontal, vertical, and spatial movement and change. Its not really stupid as more sly, its saying we have a controller here that can detect what angle your holding it, leaning it forward or back, or swinging it around and how fast, slow, hard, or soft your doing it. Its not like Wii's 3d motion Wiimote as in it can judge distance from your console, but in my opinion, id rather sit anywhere i feel comfortable not where i have to.

The whole GTA thing is a tricky subject. More or less what their saying is that they dont need Grand Theft Auto to sell their console unlike Microsoft which made a big deal about it because they finally got equal rights to it like Sony.



Actually Nintendo shunned 3rd party developers hardcore with the NES. 3rd party devs had to litterally hack the special chip inside every NES cartridge to beable to use most of the NES's power because Nintendo wanted their games to look the best. Now they did a little better with the Super Nes but they were complete arogant *****s to their 3rd party devs without any leway at all. They shunned most 3rd party devs by looking down on them, being overly harsh on them. Yes a few devs had 1st party rights but even they were treated hard. Sony welcomed all 3rd party devs and promoted them. I do apologize for my misuse of the word shun, I used an added context from around here. Could you give me numbers on each consoles exclusives? Wii exclusives are a pretty meaningless listing because of the controller, nothing against it but the Wii stands in a different catagory because of it. It will have more exclusives because of the contol regardless. As for the PS3 i can count over 50+ exclusives and only around 20-30 for the xbox360. Also may I remind you that the PS2 and its Emotion Engine were also said to be very difficult to code for, some say it was harder initially than the PS3. AND Sony has every reason to be able to act arrogant because the have had an inferior product and kicked the socks off the competiton because of good marketing and better games.



Im not argueing about the PR, there a screwy bunch and talk worse than i think. And you're right they both did tell you to buy a Wii because it would make a good second hand system beside their own. They both respect Nintendo and its Wii. Respect your elders right? In truth, because of Nintendos new direction their appealing the common masses and looking away from the hardcore that have had much devotion to them. Nintendo and Sony cant be compared because Nintendo was arrogant for its marketing, handling of 3rd party devs, and business actions, while is cherished in the eyes of gamers. Sony is arro

Sorry I type as I think, and your right it is more ramblings than organized thoughts when read. I tried to keep things organized the best i could for the amount of time I had to type each post inbetween everything else I had to do today. It wasnt alot, just a bunch of projects that I had put off to long and needed to work on.



Im no writer, Ill admit that flat out. I would rather take a peice of paper and fill it with drawings and sketches than with words. I dont expect, my words and long posts to fall on anything but death ears. But I will try to organize my thoughts better and to practice more eloquence with my words. Especially when I have alot to say.



Writing is a beautiful art form, I agree, and ill illiterate again i will try to practice my form. Though paragraphing will have to be an after thought for a while though, my thoughts tend to jump from one to another with no imbetween or backtrack, intentional at the least anyways.