Analyst Predicts Xbox 360 Domination Until 2009 |
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The next-gen console war continues to heat up... At least as much heat as a battle between two not-yet- released consoles and a relatively new console can generate. Analyst Jason Anderson from the International Development Group states that he believes MicrosoftÂ’s Xbox 360 will be the number one console until 2009, at which point SonyÂ’s PlayStation 3 will take over.
So, fanboys, here are his predictions. Anderson said by the end of 2007, the Xbox 360 will have sold 10.6 million consoles, PS3 6.8 million, and 3.5 million Nintendo Wii consoles.
In 2008, Xbox 360 will be at 15 million, PS3 will have 13.5 million, and 6.5 million for the Wii.
By 2009, he foresees Sony's PS3 taking the lead.
Of course, Anderson doesn't explain what his calculations are based on, and many would argue other factors could easily skew these numbers. Still, it's an interesting read though.
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And this time around I dont think the Wii will do as poorly as the Gamecube. Again this guy looks at a bunch of numbers and quesses that the Wii will do poorly because of the Gamecube and falling sales before. Developers and consumers seem a lot more interested in the Nintendo system this time around.
Currently I'm noticing some real nervous developers and Publishers. They notice the anti hype of the PS3 and notice how far the 360 is going after only being released for less than a year. Then the Wii being by far the biggest hit at E3. I have also noticed acouple companies jump out and say thier game is in fact not a PS3 exclusive but also for the 360. This is what leads me to believe the Publishers and Developers are getting worried about the PS3.
So in the end I would say, knowing that my guess is purely a guess:
The 360 will probably do extremely well, the PS3 will do better in Japan but not so well in North America and Europe. The Wii will be one of those systems you have to "wait and find out". Since it comes before the PS3 that will also give it that much more of an advantage.
Personally I love the 360 so far and the new games comming look excellent. The Wii will also be on my desk because I have always been a huge Nintendo fan since the early days of NES. And I dont think the PS3 is worth the amount they are selling. I wouldnt buy one for the Blu-ray because personally I just dont care. And I wouldnt buy a crappier model either.
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They also dont factor in the amount of PS2s people will be trading in to purchase a PS3. This analysis is way off.
Everyone knows the peak of the XBox360 sales and come and gone. And even if they were to sell at the same rate they are now, they wont reach 10 million by the end of 2007.
Microsoft plans to manufacture 10 million but selling them is completely different.
Xbox360 appeals to the gamer audience. It has little appeal as an entertainment center because it cant do it without spending as much as a PS3 yet still have less features.
Whats 100 bucks more? 400 premium system vs 500 basic PS3? Which system wins? PS3 hands down in terms of features.
People are looking for futureproof products. Why do people spend several hundred dollars on new cell phones that they want to keep for a few years. Why do people spend several hundred more on new models TVs then buy a cheaper yet older model?
By the end of 2007, I predict that the PS3 will have sold more then the Xbox360. Why? Not only gamers will purchase the system but anyone looking for a new generation of home entertainment.
Even if you dont use the system to play games, it has a load of features that can be used. Internet browser can be used to surf, download videos, pictures, music. thats something the Xbox360 cant do because your restricted to whats on the Live market. Its already proven that the PS3 can play HD Videos from the HDD. If they allow custom applications, just about everything that runs on linux can be ported to the PS3.
Sony mentioned that once they get production up to speed, they can manufacture 1 million units a month. This analysis Jason looks at previous sales data. But for the PS3 that no longer applies because the appeal of the PS3 is no longer focused on the gaming industry, its going to be a full blown entertainment system. If people are willing to spend thousands on a TV, Speakers, and a reciever, why not spend 500-600 bucks on "one" electronic that will cover everything you possibly need at the couch.
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PS3's high price tag will drive many to the 360, which will garner extra third party support for Microsoft. The 360 should then continue to sell well. It won't struggle against the PS3 until they eventually both become competitively priced. Sony will then take over once again.
The big wildcard involved is the Wii. I predict that this will be a massive success. It will outdo everything in it's path in Japan, and compete fairly evenly in U.S. + Europe etc.
It may still be too difficult to announce a winner of the Next-Gen console war, even in 2009.
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The way I see it, the Wii is on its own category. The Xbox360 and PS3 are in theirs and its a war between those two. These two aim for not only the casual gamers but the hardcore ones also. So in the long run its a matter of Wii and either PS3 or Xbox360 that is left. The Wii, even if it sells millions more than either of the two is not a direct threat to the other systems because it is in its own category.
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ANALIZE THIS JANRUARY 2007 AND I BET WE CAN MAKE MORE SENCE.
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(For anyone who would dare be immmature enough to label me a fanboy, I would prefer the PS3 but due to the pricing and the fact that it has yet to hit the shelves I have excluded it from this brief rant)
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The guy can be right. By 2009, people might realize what a useless piece of ***** 360 is when over 80 percent of them brick.
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And there I was thinking content matters more than the media.
So which HD-DVD or Blu-ray PC game are you playing at present? Do future PC games like Crysis and Spore appear to be hampered by DVD (yes, I know they're installed onto the HDD, but still...)? And wasn't one of the best games last gen released on the Gamecube on two mini-DVD discs (1.5GB each)? That game being RE4!
Technologies are the ingredients, but gameplay is the CAKE with graphics and sound as the icing on the cake. ;)
Anyway, this prediction sounds reasonable to me, but like all predictions, we'll just have to wait and see if it's correct.
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as it is possible that the 360 will dominate for a while.. the small count of the wii is not realistic considering the hype that surrounds it and the general negitivity that surrounds the ps3..
but only time will tell
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And that comment make's you no different. :|
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A hater and with fanboy comments like "XBox 1.5" and "lamebox 360"!
You're a fanboy.
"every new console has brought w/ it new media format....snes..cart...ps1...cd....ps2/ xbox...dvd..."
N64 used the same old cartridge format, so it wasn't new (and you can ignore the 64DD btw), and yet cartridge based Mario 64 was one of the best next-gen game upon release (same with Goldeye and Zelda).
Regarding CD, it was released as an add-on for the Atari Jaguar and was also on the 3DO console, BEFORE the Playstation and Saturn. Later, the Dreamcast also used CD. So no, not EVERY console introduced a new media format.
The PS2 was the first console with DVD, the XBox followed, and the GC used the mini-DVD format which offered a third of the space (1.5GB only).
"the "new" xbox runs the same media as the old one...does that sound next gen to you?"
Yes, because I associate next-gen with the games, not the media they're stored on. The 360 is a next-gen console, yes DVD is not a next-gen, but the content on the DVDs for 360 games is certainly next-gen.
"and if u do want to run next gen MOVIES...you gotta cough up an extra 200(at least) bucks...."
The key word here being 'IF'!
If I want to view next-gen movies, I can consider buying an add-on (if I buy a 360 first!), or I could choose to buy a stand-alone HV-DVD or Blu-ray player of my choice in future, when I'm ready to pay for the player, the movies and a TV to do them justice.
"the games that were first on the ps2 were on cd roms...and even then they had a bunch of filler dummy files...now...both ps2 and xbox games pack the dvd roms to the max...w/ some exeptions of course"
No they do not. Every game gamers claim to fill the DVD on PS2 or XBox has proven to be false, i.e. GTA:SA which some claimed filled DVD9, and yet the game is half that size (illegal bit-torrent copies of games online confirm the REAL sizes!).
The ONLY games to fill DVD on PS2 have been a few multi-disc RPGs full of CGI video.
"...so ya...for now...dvds are fine...but wat about in 2 years?....i guess ur lookin forward to the xbox 720..."
Hmmm, first XBox 1.5, now XBox 720, if you're going to make fanboy comments, atleast TRY to be original. ;) Anyway...
Ever heard of multi-disc games? It worked last gen, and it worked the gen before, so why can't it work this gen?
I'm not disputing the benefits offered by Blu-ray's storage capacity, since developers will not need to worry about space or creating multi-disc games. However, claims that DVD is not enough for next-gen games or that a game is not next-gen because it's on DVD is nonsense.
DVD is fine, it's not the best, but fine just the same.
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Even with the DMC, MGS, and Final Fantasy's of the world, I can't imagine a casual consumer buying a $600 game system. Most of the games that the casual gamers buy (Sports titles and GTA prime among them) are going to be multi-platform.
If I am that guy and I go into a store to buy a console to play the latest Madden and/or GTA and I see they are available for a $400 console and a $600 console. I pick the $400 console and buy a couple of extra games and/or accessories.
[FLAME SHIELD UP]
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the 500 Version of the PS3 still beats the 400 Version XBox in terms of features, power, and compatability. I think people are stupid and comparing the 300 to the 500 version and the 400 to the 600 version. the 500 Version is the direct competition to the 400 version of the Xbox360. the 600 Version has no competition yet from the Xbox360.
Situation 1
If you own a PS2 and an Xbox then you obviously have a collection of games from those two consoles. You check the Xbox360 Compatability list and less then 1/4th of your Xbox games will work and the other 3/4s wont work. You check all your PS2 games and only a few wont work on the PS3. So which one do you choose? Trade-in is alot bigger then people think.
Situation 2
Your new to gaming and you go into a game store and you see a game you like. You have the money to buy both the Xbox360 or the PS3. You see the 400 version of the Xbox360 and the 500 version of the PS3. You check the features of both systems and notice that the PS3 has tons more features that you would like to use and is a better value for what you get. Do you buy the Xbox360 just to play games or buy the PS3 which has the functions of a basic PC?
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For situation 2, the "casual" gamer is less likely than the "hardcore" gamer to have the hardware to take advantage of the bigger additional benefits (TV that supports 1080p, and in turn the native res of Blu-Ray movies), so why would they even want to spend an additional $100 for the console.
The "casual" gamer is also likely to already have at least a "basic PC" and would probably not be basing their console buying on that criteria.
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PS3 owners will not have a need to purchase 360s as they did with the PS2. Many PS2 owners bought Xboxes because it offered things the PS2 just didn't have. Good FPS games and online play. With that coming to the PS3, having your second console be a 360 just doesn't make much sense at the start at least (Unless you're nuts about halo which I am but I already own one =D ). In contrast the Wii will make a great second console but only to gamers who like to play with groups. Saying that however I see the Wii falling out of flavor by the end of 2008 and the 360 leaving it in the dust by end of 2009. I don't see Nintendo getting rid of that kiddie image and for hardcore gamers the non HD graphics/physics/AI (all the things that make a title next-gen) will get very tiring in the coming years.
I see PS3 really taking off by 2009 at this time the price will be very close to the 360 since the price curve will drop faster with the PS3 due to tech in the machine. I reckon a price of roughly 299-399 for the ps3 and 249 for the 360. The PS3 will have double the 360 numbers by end of 2009. Saying that however I really see MS as a clear second place winner this time around. Easily getting 40-50 million consoles sold worldwide. The Wii should reach 30 mil while the PS3 will surely break the 100 million barrier again but this time I see that happening sooner than with the PS2. People will buy it simply for the HD playing capabilities. Also by 2009 HDTV adoption should reach critical mass and of course video games will take credit for it. I also see the PS2 selling well up to 2009 and should reach 130-140 million PS2s SHIPPED by then.
Expect major grow in the game industry.
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To say the PS3 is the favorite to win the next Gen war is an understatement. Many of you will say "look what happen to Nintendo, they failed to stay ahead of the competition" but besides what many may think Nintendo machines were not as dominating.
SNES: 49 million sold worldwide
Genesis: 35 million sold worldwide
Compare to
PS2 100+ million and still growing at about 1 million units a month growth
Nearest competitor - XBOX: 24 million with near zero growth.
Please don't underestimate Sony's capabilities to main the lead.
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PS2 was bought by casual gamers, helping it sell its 100 million or so consoles.
These casual gamers will not spend 600 (650 w/tax) or even 500 (540 w/tax). Its just too much.
I predict that during this generation, the large audience of casual ps2 purchasers will split up: Some will buy a 360, others will buy a Wii.
I don't think the Wii will be as popular as everybody dreams it to be because: SOME PEOPLE WILL NOT LIKE USING THE CONTROLLER - It will be considered the ultimate nerd wand. I think its a great idea though.
I study business and economics, and trust me, these "Analysts" Consider ALOT of things before making their predictions.
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PS1 games, on the other hand, are being handled through emulation, so i'm not sure what the compatibility rate will be for that. but considering that it should be about 100% compatible with PS2 games, it already comes out on top over the 360's pretty awful backwards compatibility.
in a new consoles early life, backward's compatibility is really important because new software is few and far between, and you want *something* to play on your new console when the four or five launch titles you pick up wear thin. the fact that the X Boxes most loved and revered franchises (like Splinter Cell) weren't compatible out of the box really hurt the overall appeal of the system. i own 60 PS2 games. i'm expecting those 60 to function on my PS3. if 50 of them do. that's cool. if ony 3 or 4 work, i'd be pissed. imagine how furiuos new 360 owners were, when they hooked up their 360's popped in their favorite X Box game (they were done playing the launch titles for the night), and the game wouldn't boot. title after title wasn't compatible.
suddenly, his or her little sister walks in with the X Box version of Barbie Horse Adventures and pops it into the shiny new 360. lo and behold, it boots up perfectly fine and little Susie is whisked off to hitherto unknown territory with Barbie and her horses, while X Box fan sulks in the corner, since he traded in his X Box to pay for his 360.
with the PS3, i shouldn't have to worry about that scenario, at least for PS2 games. as for PS1 games, as long as Castlevania: Symphony of the Night and Silent Hill work, i'm happy.
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"dvd9 isn't next gen, can't play 1080p" - like any of you actually have 1080p televisions, its a moot point.
i just got a 1080i 60 inch tv like 2 years ago so im not about to go out an buy a 1080p tv.
cable tv won't be higher than 1080i for like 10 years at least, so big *****ing deal with the 1080p.
ps3 isn't going to be a disaster, it will do perfectly fine. but sony's smugness is starting to piss me off. I don't appreciate a company telling me what I do and do not want. I myself will not be getting a ps3 since my roomate is getting one. I already have a 360. Those haters going waaa 360 has no NEXT gen games...obviously you have never played GRAW which is basically the best game ever ( i like it more than halo2).
so fanboys shutup already! im sick of this *****! don't complain about things you will never use! especially that 1080p nonsense! (im willing to be the amount of people with 1080p televisions is less than 1%).
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But why? Are you getting rid of your PS2 after you get a PS3?
I do feel the case for BC is overstated at times. It's a great feature to have of course, enabling the gamer to play his old games and next-gen games all on one box, but at the same time, I don't believe most gamers are going to get rid of their old consoles the moment the new console arrives.
So if a PS2 game doesn't work on your PS3, is life really so bad when you have to play it on your old PS2 console instead? ;)
For me, I prefer to use my old consoles to play old games, with next-gen consoles being used to play next-gen games. :)
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also, i don't have the room to hook up my NES, SNES, Genesis, DreamCast, Playstation 2, X Box, Gamecube, and PS3 all up at the same time. i like being able to break that down to two or three systems. it's a convenience thing. my apartment and entertainment stand just doesn't have the room to support those 8 systems (ten when i get a 360 and Wii). so yeah, backwards compability is real important to me. back when i got my PS2, i didn't play PS2 games all the time. i'd pop in Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, Final Fantasy Tactics, Crono Cross, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil 2, etc. once more PS2 games out, those games got moved to the backburner, but until more PS3 games come out, backward compatibility do me just fine.
also, some PS1 games (that i haven't played yet) don't work on my slimline PS2. so i'm hoping that that will be rectified on my PS3.
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Somebody walks into game store wanting a new game system this holiday... ps3 will be sold out until march... and 360 will be in stock for 200 cheaper... and about 100 games to choose from, as well as some bargain titles.
I plan to buy a Wii one day.. ill have to play it first
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Ok, so you're one of the minority. ;)
"it's nice to know i'd be able to just pop it into my PS3, and not have to take the PS2 away from her (probably leading to no sex later)"
Ouch.
"also, i don't have the room to hook up my NES, SNES, Genesis, DreamCast, Playstation 2, X Box, Gamecube, and PS3 all up at the same time. i like being able to break that down to two or three systems. it's a convenience thing."
"CONVENIENCE" - That's the word I was waiting for.
That's the thing about BC, it is convenient. That's why I say the importance of BC is overstated. Prior to the PS2, no consoles were BC, it's a new addition and of course it's a welcome addition, but the appeal for next-gen consoles amongst the majority of gamers are the next-gen games, not BC.
For gamers like yourself however, BC offers a convenient way to play your old games and new games all on one console, instead of two (or three).
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Figboy: I have to agree with you on BC. Sometimes you just want to play old games because you might have forgotten the experience. Its really that important, but its nice addition to some and neccessary to others. Like you said, its nice because of convience.
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As for your change from "every new console" to "any successful new system", lol, that's just typical, when you can't argue, just change the conditions. I guess if I pursue the point further you'll then say "any successful new system beginning with P".
Anyway, I never purchase newly launched consoles (despite being more than able to afford it), preferring instead to wait until the first price drop, since besides a lower cost, the console should be free of launch problems and there will be a larger library of great games to choose from. I'll apply the same to the PS3.
Obviously I hit a nerve calling you a fanboy, but if you don't want to be called a fanboy, then don't act like one. It's as simple as that. :|
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But i know for sure a wii's gonna like mighty fine next to my 360, to bad theres not enought room for a goerge forman grill ah i mean ps3
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the PS2, when launched in 2000 was $300. in it's first year, it only sold about 6 to 10 million units. we all know that to date, the PS2 has sold 100 million units and counting. applying, oh, i dunno, *logic*, tells me that the other 90 million PS2s shipped, sold *after* that initial launch year, and in conjunction with subsequent price drops.
using some more of that tasty logic, i surmise that the PS3, in it's first year, will sell about 10 million units. *after* that first year, it will probably undergo a price drop, at which point it will probably sell another 10 mil. in 2009 (it's third year), it will undergo another price drop, and sell another few million units.
i swear, some of you people are acting like the PS2 shipped and sold all 100 million units in it's first day on the market. sheesh. it's a slow rampup. the first few million PS2's had to be priced at $300 because of production costs. once the manufacturing process became more refined over time, they were able to cut manufacturing costs, make some profit off of the $300 PS2s for a while, then, due to competition (remember, the X Box and GC came out a year after the PS2, thus affording the PS2 a *second* year at $300, which it wouldn't have been able to do if the X Box and GC had come out at the same time), they dropped the price to maintain their lead.
with the PS3, i see a price drop happening sooner rather than later because they have come out second (again, but the Dreamcast, while a great system, didn't have enough units on the market by the time the PS2 launched), and the 360 has established itself as a very capable system. since the PS3 is priced so far above the 360, to compete, they will have to drop the price by $100 asap. my guess will be fall 2007. they're already talking about refininf the production process, so it's possible we could see that price drop happen by Christmas 2007. the PSP has already dropped by $50 after it's first year.
anyway, my original point was that this 2006 launch of the PS3 is specifically for the hardcore fans that have been with Sony since 1995. 100 million PS2 fans, subtract 4 million PS3's shipped by years end, still leaves 96 million PS2 fans without their follow up. those people will have to wait, but, chances are, they waited to get their PS2's until the price was cheaper, so nothing has changed, and is expected by Sony.
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nowadays, video games have a 160 million person installed user base, over half of which are 18-30. those 80 million people aren't relying on mom and dad to purchase video game consoles for them. they can purchase those consoles themselves if they so wish. also taking into account that out of 160 million gamers, 100 million of them are PS2 owners (the PS2, as stated numerous times before, has sold 100 million units, and counting), i don't think Sony has to worry about finding 2 to 4 million PS2 fans who are foaming at the mouth at the prospect of the PS3. just like Nintendo and Microsoft have their rabid fans that will buy every iteration of the GBA or DS, and purchase an X Box just to play Halo, there are even more rabid Sony fans who remember the first time they fired up Metal Gear Solid, or Resident Evil, or Final Fantasy 7. and they bonded themselves with Sony because of the games. it's not Sony's fault that they're number 1.
and i agree that the PS3 would have been around $400, $500 dollars if released next year. you can blame Microsoft for the current $500, $600 price point for the PS3. because the 360 released prematurelyin 2005, Microsoft put Sony in a difficult postion: release the PS3 in 2007, like was originally planned, and risk giving Microsoft *two* holiday seasons in which to cement the lead (Christmas 2005 and Christmas 2006), or release the PS3 in 2006, before the kinks in production were worked out, and thus be forced to charge more for the system, alienating consumers that won't pay the hefty price tag, and stopping MS from dominating.
considering that the Playstation brand has 100 million users across the world, Sony wagered that they could afford to lose a few million to Microsoft by releasing the PS3 in 2006 at $500 and $600. at the most, i expect Sony to lose about 10 million of their initial user base, leaving them with 90 million, still a significant lead. if Microsoft had released the 360 in 2006 instead, Sony would have released the PS3 in 2007, and for much, much less than $600. i see this console war shaping up with Sony in the lead with 70 million units, Microsoft in second with 50 million units, and the Wii in third with about 40 million units.
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I would normally counter each of your points, but you've already shown this to be a waste of my time.
Look at #43! I decided to reply to EACH of your comments in turn, but in your responce, you chose to reply to just a fraction of the points raised, hence ignoring most of the arguements made. So as I said, it would be a waste of my time.
"look im no fanboy"
By your own words here you are. Fanboys have a love/hate relationship with companies and consoles, and as you've admitted here, you are "a hater". So much so that you even resort to name calling, i.e. XBox 1.5 and lamebox 360 (which is very childish btw). You are NO different than fanboys who refer to the Playstation as the 'Gaystation' or 'PS Poo' or the Gamecube as the 'Lamecube' etc.
As I said previously, if you don't like being called a fanboy, then you shouldn't act like one. As a gamer, there are no excuses for hating other consoles, there are no excuses for calling consoles by childish names, the only people who you would expect this kind of behaviour from are fanboys. Think about it. :|
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Sorry, but that is complete rubbish, it really is.
For years, the average gap between console generations has been 5-6 years. Because of this, and the PS2 launching in March 2000 in Japan, the PS2 was expected to launch between March 2005 and March 2006 (again 5-6 years). ALL the predictions over the years was of Sony's next console launching by March 2006 at the LATEST. No-one ever said 2007, not even Sony, since March 2007 would have been 7 years after the PS2 launch!
The 360 launched November 2005, that was 5 years and 8 months after the launch on the PS2, hence premature for the XBox (which was late last gen), but not premature for a next-gen console! Therefore the 360 launched within the time many expected the PS3 will launch, including MS, who planned to have a console ready to launch close to the PS3. If the PS3 has launched as originally planned (Spring 2006), then it would be in keeping with the 5-6 year predictions (give or take a month or so), however as we all know, it is now November 2006, 6 years and 8 months after the PS2.
So no, you can NOT blame MS for the cost of the PS3, all the blame lies with Sony (if blame is even the right word). The PS3 costs as much as it does because of the technology involved, and the PS3 was due to launch THIS year at the latest, not 2007!
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and i can and do blame Microsoft for the cost of the PS3. the next gen war was begun 1 year too soon. the PS2, X Box, and GC had plenty of life left in them, and definitely the PS2, judging by the high profile titles coming out for the console this year and next year. the fact that the PS3 was pushed back to November shows that Sony wasn't ready to mass produce the thing this year. which is why they're scrambling to get that November launch going asap.
if Sony had waited into spring 2007 (which they've said they had considered doing (again, check the ign archives for the actual articles and quotes), Microsoft would have had the Christmas 2005 season, and the Christmas 2006 season to sell 360s virtually unopposed. not to mention the arrival of the Nintendo Wii. Arrogant as Sony is, even they knew that if they let those two have Christmas 2006, they'd lose too much market share. Sony says a lot of things, and yes, they planned to release the PS3 in March of 2006 in Japan, but realistically, they knew that that wasn't possible. they hadn't even begun production of the individual components needed to create the system. a company that was planning on a March 06 launch would have released knews back in 2005 that production of the key PS3 components were underway. hell, it wasn't until E3 2006, which takes place in *May* that Sony finally revealed the final specs for the system. despite what they've said, they had no plans whatsoever to release the PS3 in March 06.
the life expectancy of game consoles were roughly 5 to 6 years, but that was before gaming technology got as advanced as it is now. Sony had been working on the Cell for nearly 4 years. how long do you think it's going to take to develop the *next* processor? as the technology gets more and more complex, the gestation period of consoles will get longer. from the NES to Genesis, it was roughly 4 years, from the SNES to the PS1, it was roughly 5 years, from the PS1 to the PS2 it was roughly 5 years, from the PS2 to the PS3, it's 6 years. see the trend? Sony spent a lot of money on the Cell processor, more money than they spent on the emotion engine, and they made sure that they created something flexible enough to go beyond the 5-6 year cycle. i doubt we see the PS4 anytime before 2014.
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sure, the technology going into the PS3 is expensive. for *2006*. you're telling me that the cost to produce the Cell and Blu Ray wouldn't *drop* by 2007? the reasons why systems cost what they do at launch is because of the production rampup neccessary to create the consoles needed to meet demand. if Sony actually tried to produce 100 million PS3's by years end, they'd go out of business. i guess during their meetings, they figured that 4 million units by years end, and 2 million more by the end of their fiscal year (ending March 2007) at $500 and $600 was an acceptable number, and would allow them to catch up with Microsoft. after March 2007, the ball game really starts. and Sony will play hard. once mass production of the units begin, there will be a marketing blitzkrieg about Blu Ray, a number of high profile titles coming out on PS3 *and* Blu Ray (Spider-Man 3 Blu Ray in fall 2007 anyone?), *and* the price of the unit will drop because they won't have to produce millions of units in such a short ammount of time. they can put out shipments of 500,000 every three months, meeting a slow demand, and lowering production costs. next year is going to be the true beginning of the PS3, not this year. this year is like the advanced screening before the world premiere.
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Again, that's rubbish. Sorry to be so direct but it really is. At no time in all these years since the PS2 launched, was there any suggestion of Sony's next-gen console having a debut launch in 2007, 7 YEARS after the PS2. No reports, no articles, not even analysis predictions. The only time 2007 would be mentioned is for Europe, on the assumption that the console had already launched in Japan and the US in 2006.
Not only that, MS officially announced their plans for the 360 last year, at a time when PS3 developement was already going ahead, and yet NO developer or anyone has commented on PS3's launch being brought forward from 2007.
After YEARS of developement, all the components were due to be ready on time for Sony to release their next-gen console in Spring 2006. So, with the hardware ready, Sony were going to sit on it for a year until the price was right? Come on!
And if the original plan was for 2007, then NVidia would not have needed to finish the RSX design so early (way back in Febrary this year), over 1 year before the console was due to launch!
Then there's Blu-ray. Sony have ALWAYS planned to use the PS3 as a means to establish a large base of Blu-ray owners QUICKLY to counter HD-DVD in the format wars. So, how were they going to achieve this by launching the PS3 in 2007, long after the first HD-DVD and Blu-ray players hit the market in 2006? This would give HD-DVD one year to establish itself against the more expensive Blu-ray, giving HD-DVD a head start. The PS3 was meant to counter this by launching around the same time as Blu-ray players.
So PS3's launch has as much to do with the battle for the next-gen DVD format (HD-DVD vs Blu-ray) as it has for consoles. Hence whichever way you look at it, Sony had no intention of launching the PS3 in 2007.
The cost of the PS3 has nothing to do with Microsoft.
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It was 4 years after, and I explained it already. To quote myself from post #82; "The 360 launched November 2005... hence PREMATURE FOR THE XBOX (which was LATE LAST GEN), but not premature for a next-gen console! ....planned to have a console ready to launch close to the PS3."
"and i can and do blame Microsoft for the cost of the PS3. the next gen war was begun 1 year too soon. the PS2, X Box, and GC had plenty of life left in them"
Planning for next-gen consoles take YEARS Figboy. The hardware and software is scheduled to be ready at a certain time in the future, and everything is set to meet that target. They do not develope the console first and THEN decide when to release it depending on market conditions!
Thanks to the 360, the next-gen console began on time, not early.
I could go on, but not until you provide PROOF that Sony were originally planning to release the PS3 in 2007, despite the battle between Blu-ray and HD-DVD (which I belive is equally important to Sony).
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if you do, then you may remember that a short time after the PS2 launched, Kaz Hirai or someone in a similar position stated that the PS3 would probably be seen sometime around 2007, 2006 at the earliest.
i wouldn't just spout off these things if they didn't have any basis in fact.
the reason why i say Microsoft had something to do with the PS3's cost (which i thought would be plain by now) is because the PS3 is indeed launching 6 months to a year too early as a direct result of Microsoft launching the 360 in November.
Sony has stated (maybe not a thousand times), that the PS3 wouldn't be ready until 2007. Microsoft saw that as an opportunity to get the upper hand by releasing the 360 a full *two* years before the PS3's expected launch (not confirmed launch, just expected based off of Sony's comments prior to 2005). Sony had to counter by bumping the release of the PS3 to early 2006, cutting into Microsoft's head start. they realized that that just wasn't econnomically or physically feasable, so they moved the Japanese launch to November, when they realised that it must launch in all territories in 2006 or hand over the Next Gen crown to Microsoft.
since the PS3 is releasing *this* year, instead of next year, the cost of Cell and Blu Ray components are more expensive than they would have been, say, in 2007. BECAUSE OF THAT, the PS3 has the hefty price tag. if the console had released in 2007, it probably would have been $50 to $100 less than what it is now.
there. i can't state it any plainer than that.
as for the Blu Ray HD DVD war, HD DVD has failed to take off, prior to it's competition even launching. Sony could launch their Blu Ray players in 2007 and it still wouldn't have an impact on the slow start of HD DVD. if Microsoft had added an HD DVD player to the 360, there would be 3.8 million HDDVD players in peoples homes right now. since they didn't there are only a few thousand HD DVD players sold thus far. when the PS3 launches in November, it will sell out of however many million units Sony manages to ship, thus establishing Blu Ray into those peoples homes. couple that with the fact that Blu Ray has the support of 7 out of the 8 major motion picture studios, along with the Porn Industry, and HD DVD only has the support of 3 of the 8, and Blu Ray clearly has the advantage. Sony didn't have anything to worry about in regards to competition. much like the PS2, there will be a larger library of Blu Ray movies because of the ammount of support it's getting. Sony knows this, so they don't care if Blu Ray gets delayed. come November, the PS3 will be the cheapest Blu Ray player on the market. and those that want a home theatre system with the largest collection of movies will smartly choose Blu Ray (or just stick to standard DVDs, actually).
anyway, i'm done arguing. you don't see my point, and i don't see yours, so i'm walking away.
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I Look forward to your links for proof of this (links from before the 360 announcement which are not based on speculation or rumour).
"anyway, i'm done arguing. you don't see my point, and i don't see yours, so i'm walking away."
Always a wise when you're wrong. ;)
Goodbye.
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I regularly read magazines for all consoles and have done so for many years, as well as the internet of course.
Sony are the market leader, and I don't believe for one moment that they were forced into launching the PS3 atleast one year earlier than planned (spring 2006) because of the 360. It just doesn't work that way, since there is no way Sony could have brought their software and hardware plans forward by 1 year in response to Microsoft's XBox 360.
But as you said, we'll have to agree to disagree. :|
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In fact, why should you care?
If the PS3 has arrived earlier than planned because of the 360, then gamers are paying for the privilege of owning the PS3 console EARLY. Afterall, you say without the 360, the PS3 wouldn't arrive until 2007.
If you don't want to pay so much for the console, then you just need to be patient and wait for the first price drop, by which time the PS3 would be available for the price and at the time it was originally due to launch (according to you).
So, is paying more to get the PS3 earlier than expected really a problem? I don't think so.
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