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Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360

Posted Oct 29, 2010 at 12:52AM EST by Ryan F.

Listed in: PSP Tags: playstation phone, playstation portable 2, psp go, PSP2, rumor, Sony, TGS, UMD
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Now that the PlayStation Phone has been somewhat outed, the buzz on the online community now shift back to Sony's other handheld platform, the elusive/long rumored Playstation Portable 2. According multiple sources close to the project, the PSP2 will have dual analog sticks, a bigger screen, touch controls and a massive amount of RAM than can rival those found in the Xbox 360.

Kotaku reports that during this years TGS event in Tokyo, Sony revealed the long-rumored PSP2 to select people in the industry, showing off the device with "touch panel on the back of the system what looked like a mouse trackpad. The PSP2 also had dual analog sticks and a larger display which Sony touted as being HD."Kotaku notes that "while the device was shown in two form-factors, one that looked like the PSP Go and one that looked like the PSP, Sony told attendees that they have not yet settled on the final design for the system."

Now fresh rumors about the device has once again surfaced online, with several insiders telling the site that the long-rumored device will follow in the footsteps of the PSP Go and will not support the UMD format. "Games will be stored on a Memory Stick, according to one source. Though we've also been told that Sony is still puzzling out what the final non-UMD storage solution will be for the PSP2," according to Kotaku.

The site’s sources also revealed that the new device will be a much more powerful gaming machine, sporting 1 GB of RAM that is twice as those found on the Xbox 360.

Meanwhile, multiple sources also told VG247 that PSP2 is currently codenamed “Veta” and is currently slated "for a late 2011 launch."

 

[VG247 via Kotaku]



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+3 # why dont theyAnnonymoose 2010-10-29 03:48
why dont they go one step forwards before releasing a 1gb ram psp2 and go straight to a 2gb ram.... or even a 4gb ram...cause then they wont have to release updated versions of psps....

Plus there would be barely any loading screens cause it could store 1/4 of the game (if they get up there to 8gb games) and it could load in the background, deleted in game start cinematic from ram and preloading game maps while in the menu...

that would be sweet.. plus it would rape nintendo ds's...

not like 2gb ram sticks are expensive... like $25 each

so cost could be:

$50 for 4gb ram
$100 for custom processor...
$1 - literally... the case plastic.
$50 motherboard
$50 screen
$30 battery

= $281.00

markup so that they make money could be $300 for comsumer... so they get $19 per psp...

Times that by atleast 50million sold = $950,000,000.00

- $10million for production costs

= $940,000,000.00 in first half year...

i think it's worth it.

dont bash too much for the numbers of sales.... but hey... look at the sales charts, it's bound to get atleast 50million customers....china alone would eat that up, then you still have USA, Canada, and EU...

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+1 # RE: why dont theyRyan F. 2010-10-29 04:25
pretty good analogy there my friend, but knowing Sony and how the industry moves today, we could only dream.. for now ;-)

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+2 # :)sage3k 2010-10-29 08:14
Someone did some homework.. BRAVO!!

The math seems right but I think they will just work on getting the parts custom built. Anything Custom will mean more money... so we'll see how that works out. But if someone at sony were to pay attention instead of those bed and breakfast deals for parts... they may make the new PSP the most profitable hand held in a VERY long time. (and that concept pic is still awesome with it were the design for the PSP2) (ooh and PS2 and PSN game playback should be a DEFAULT option on this new device..)

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+3 # not a viable comparisonPuntymario 2010-10-29 09:10
youre talking about "desktop" ram for computers. ram has different prices for diffent systems its used in. not all ram functions the same way. typically the smaller something is needed to be made the more expensive it is. if ram is so cheap then nintendo would have at least added 512 to the 3ds. but they deemed it uneccessary because ram is typically used for running multiple tasks or loading so they found a smaller amount to be suitable. although loading on a psp is incredibly fast when loaded from the mem stick so i dont see 2 or 4 gb being necessary at all unless this thing runs 100 processes in the back ground.

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# RAM!!Ryugen 2010-10-30 12:27
Uhh... Ram is for all memory operations and allows for the program to allocate more space for itself. With a small ram the processor must manage calls to the stack and all the "out of memory" slowdowns. A multi-core processor allows for fast multiple processes running in the background as is what you are referring. Low memory devices sport lower quality everything and usually load smaller parts to compensate...

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# RE: not a viable comparisonKylBlz 2010-11-04 05:07
lol when you said "100 processes in the back ground" all i think of is 100 threads constantly monitoring the state of the software to make sure its not getting hacked XD

they BETTER NOT devote 20mb of flash space and ~10% processor power to security, thats ridiculous.

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-1 # RE: why dont theyDarron 2010-10-29 11:10
Good research, but those are prices for RAM on desktops...the price for small, portable RAM is FAR higher

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# RE: RE: why dont theyJohn E 2010-11-05 10:41
I wonder if he realizes that a nice 240pin ddr3 ram just isn't gonna fit into a portable. The way he's talking I think I'm gonna velcro an LCD to the side of my computer case and carry it around like a lunch tray.

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-1 # RE: why dont theyreylink 2010-10-29 19:21
XD theres no such thing as a RAM memory card for psps you have everything mixed up

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-1 # you forgotqatr 2010-10-29 21:03
Production costs. People dont work for free and the $50 screen isnt gonna happen if they are putting in a true HD screen

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+1 # lolAnnonymoose 2010-10-31 03:06
what's funny is when you said "production costs"... i freaking said that (-$10million) as in $10 million dollars to pay people design stuff like that...

but hey, i'm no business man or electronic parts dealer, i was just trying to sum up the main price points for it.

did you also notice that i didnt include the price for the solder to put the motherboard together???

oh ya, and those tiny capacitors... lets add $0.02 for every 50 capacitors needed....

and $50 for the screen, LAWL, that could be the cost for them, at WHOLEsale mass market!!... for us consumers to buy single screen they'd probly cost like $150+...

sure, $10million might not be enough for paying people to design everything, but if they're getting in $950 Million in profits, i think they're all happy and feel successful anyways and the company would have huge stock values.

and im sorry for not getting exact numbers for the prices of parts for a system not even confirmed to have even been thinking about thinking to start to think about thinking about designing the next psp

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-1 # hardware noobdbtlpv 2010-11-01 00:40
you do know that the processor is the part of the device that would make it fast and not the ram right? sure some types of ram are faster then others but that wont make a difference if the processor is slow, its all dependent on clock speed, the ram is only as fast as the clock speed, if the clock speed is lower then the speed of the ram then the ram will only go as fast as the clock speed!

also your prices are way off

$100 for a processor and $50 for a motherboard i wanna shop where u shop cause that is super cheap

ram for a desktop pc is completely different to what will be in the psp 2 the chips will be far smaller the ones on desktop ram making them more expensive

also it wont probably load anything in the background it will load things as and when it needs them as if its loading things in the background hows is it going to process everything which is happening now without significant slowdown

good try tho, just easy to tell your a noob :-*

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+1 # ease upDBTLPV HATR8ADE 2010-11-02 17:53
It's easy to tell you're a troll. The guy estimated some numbers, not a bad estimate either. Whether they're right or wrong, maybe next time don't pretend like you're superior. It's also easy to tell you don't go on dates often, or shower much. :-x

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# RE: hardware noobAssassinXCV 2010-11-02 23:16
Quoting dbtlpv:
you do know that the processor is the part of the device that would make it fast and not the ram right? sure some types of ram are faster then others but that wont make a difference if the processor is slow, its all dependent on clock speed, the ram is only as fast as the clock speed, if the clock speed is lower then the speed of the ram then the ram will only go as fast as the clock speed!


are you a fucking retard??? when did he ever talk about Clock speed???you're bitching about shit he never mentioned.

You do know that apples aren't only red, they also come in green and yellow colors. So why do you think that apples are ONLY red??? Apples are very healthy for you and they grow on trees.

See i can do it too

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# RE: hardware noobKylBlz 2010-11-04 05:11
the clock speed isnt everything, the instruction set of the processor and how it handles tasks (EG pipe lining, distribution) make up a huge part of performance. Thats why the VFPU of the PSP can process math up to 10x faster than the ME; because it has dedicated instruction sets.


good try tho, just easy to tell your a noob :-*

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# 20 dollar markuP?Tayman20 2010-11-01 13:06
no way! I would assume 349.99 as a starter with a umd-less touchscreen game. something like wii-ware or psp minis .

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# I'll cost more.idk 2010-11-03 21:02
Well,your pricing is wrong, you only have the cost to make it, but you don't have the total price.

I estimate...
Around $400-$600
:-|

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# RE: why dont theyF TANK 2010-11-04 18:11
@ #1...way to pull all those numbers straight from your ass

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-3 # RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 HIM AGAIN 2010-10-29 05:13
I bet whoever made those pictures stopped laughing about a year ago and just turns away from this. PSP2 won't be anything special, you'd think Nintendo would have the know how to get the information on something like this and they would of scrapped their new handheld about 6 months ago and wouldnt be talking about another crappy release, it would be fail marketing on their behalf. The new psp will be just barely more powerful than the DS if you guys are lucky, that's if they're even actually making one, it hasnt been their best marketing idea (the psp that is, like a net loss of around 10mill after the release of the GO) PSPs are probably one of the least sold gaming units. Just saying, everyone you know and talk to has A PSP, they don't maybe 1/20 ppl you kno, but all 20 have ps3/360 and about 13/20 have a ds. PSP will just be a myth, an urban legend, or a Hey you actually bought one of those? :zzz

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+1 # haa!chuck.fx 2010-11-01 11:46
i'm currently in Tokyo, everyone has a psp... just go to the subway, they are all playing psp

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# Woot!!! Kotaku spotted!!!meh301 2010-10-29 06:06
:lol: Cheers Kotaku!!! :lol:

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+1 # RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 Teivin 2010-10-29 06:38
"The site’s sources also revealed that the new device will be a much more powerful gaming device, sporting 1 GB of RAM that is twice as those found on the Xbox 360."

Besides just being poorly written, shouldn't it also be pointed out that it's twice as much as the PS3 also has?

Or, to be precise, 4x as much as the PS3 CPU has access to, and 4x as much as the PS3 GPU has access to, since its broken into 256mb independents.

Dunno, just seemed odd to compare it to the 360 when its a Sony device.

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# yea butalexZander2008 2010-10-29 12:01
they want it to sound like there system is so much better then the 360 and its a handheld. its all a marketing thing. they are just bashing 360.

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# RE: RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 Techni 2010-10-29 16:46
PS3s CPU also has access to all 512 MB of RAM. Just, slower.

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# RE: RE: RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 UltimaXIX 2010-10-29 17:45
Slower how exactly? The Xbox 360 has 512MB of DDR3 RAM which clocks in at 0.7GHz and is shared by both the CPU and GPU, whereas the PS3 has 256MB of DDR3 RAM used by the GPU and another 256MB XDR RAM which clocks in at a whopping 3.2GHz.

You're right that it's slower accessing the additional 256MB, but its slowest is still as fast as the Xbox 360.

In terms of sheer speed the 360's memory has nothing on the PS3.

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-2 # Speed?Jagster 2010-10-29 19:41
So if the PS3 is much faster, why are multiplatform games better on the 360? Where is the ram now, huh?

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+1 # RE: Speed?UltimaXIX 2010-10-30 20:01
Do you have any comprehension skills whatsoever? I wasn't trying to start a pissy fan-boy debate, so stop getting all butt-hurt; I own two Xboxes and a PS3, and I honestly play on my 360 more than I do my PS3. (Granted, that's mostly because I've already paid for a year's XBL membership and would hate to have it go to waste)

Anyway, anyone who knows anything about computers knows that clock speed isn't everything. Other factors can bottleneck performance; for the PS3, that'd be the lack of unified pipelines and the sheer difficulty of coding for it effectively.

A lot of devs like to by and large just ignore the SPEs and concentrate on coding for the PPC core, which means said developers can only access about a third of the processing power of the 360, which is a lot closer to your run-of-the-mill computer than the PS3 is.


Naturally, since the PS3 has been out a while now and developers are getting more accustomed to the hardware, that trend beginning to reverse and we're starting to see multiplatform games that actually outperform their 360 counterparts by miles.

You have your answer, now shut up and go play with your tennis ball.

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# RE: Speed?KylBlz 2010-11-04 05:17
holy fuck that is the stupidest comment iv ever even had the displeasure of accidentally reading. the ONLY reason multiplatform games are better on the 360 is because the PS3's hardware (although its superior to the 360's) is a PAIN IN THE ASS to use effectively. and no one has the money or time to higher GOOD programmers to do so. Also most cross platform stuff is bull shit shovelware (excluding large companies not locked in contract like.. EA for example)

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# powervrAntonio Vitor 2010-11-20 10:20
If they only knew...
:D

xbox 360 has 10 MB of super fast 256 GB/s memory...

has 3 powerpc cores instead of only one of ps3...
that is why kinect is possible on xbox 360 and not possible on ps3...

one core for the game and one or two for the kinect...

multi games are produced with only one core in mind....so the closeness in graphics between ps3 and xbox 360...

it makes the producing time faster, and the ps3 is allmoust identical at least 1 core...

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 Torch 2010-10-30 05:52
The video RAM is for the GPU, like on a PC. What you're implying is like a desktop CPU trying to use the GPU memory for normal applications. You can access it but much, much slower from CPU code than from GPU instructions. It's NOT the same as shared memory.

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 UltimaXIX 2010-10-30 20:05
That's true, but even so the fact remains that the PS3 has memory clocked at an equal speed to the 360 for the GPU and something much, much faster for the CPU, which makes it so that everything but the most GPU intensive tasks (notice I didn't say graphics) will run smoother on the PS3.

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# FunnyJH007 2010-10-30 16:14
I was thinking the same thing I just didn't feel like talking Thanks Teivin.
anyways I'm going to buy it.

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# RE: RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 John E 2010-11-05 11:00
I just think that this whole thing is a poorly written POS. They say it's better than the 360 because of it's amount of RAM. Now none of that even makes since to me. Sure, it has more ram, but that doesn't really make for much. 1gb is impressive. But why not mention processing speed or even graphics before attempting to say that it's better than the 360.
Either the writer of this meant to mention one of those facts or they are just a little rere up there to say something will be better than something else due to ram size.
I'm a Sony fanboy too and I think this post is total trash.

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-1 # RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 heffler1 2010-10-29 07:13
that thing is damn sexy!!!! if that is what it looks like and really rivals the 360 in power, i am heading down to the hospital or the black market to sell my kidney so i can be the first on to get it!!!!!

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# RE: RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 aperson2 2010-10-29 10:51
That thing wouldn't be comfortable at all. It's horribly designed and serves as nothing more than bait for people without brains to get excited about.

Read up on ergonomics, then look at the button/stick placement.

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-1 # RE: RE: RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 mynameis... 2010-10-29 16:59
Please direct your attention underneath the photo. looks. oh its a mockup... lol i thought people wouldve notice the NOT PSP2 written underneath

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 UltimaXIX 2010-10-29 17:46
What part of his comment made you think he didn't get that it wasn't real?

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# RE: RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 Darron 2010-10-29 11:11
That's not how it'll look (at least I hope to God it won't)
If it WAS like that it'd be uncomfortable as f*ck though

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+1 # RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 aperson2 2010-10-29 07:17
It has double the Ram so it could rival the Xbox, HA.
That's like saying the iPad has a 768p resolution so it can graphically rival GTAIV and Call of Duty on both Xbox and PS3.

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+1 # RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 Jhon White 2010-10-29 07:45
Yeah because having more RAM will totally make it rival the 360! never mind about processor speed and graphics card and other components, no it has more ram it can rival the 360 and everything else! /s

QJ fail posting horrendous flamebait articles like this just to rake in more ad revenue from the fanboys.

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# RE: RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 xfyux 2010-10-29 11:27
And your helping em :]

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# RE: RE: RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 aperson2 2010-10-29 18:35
I'm not!

= Adblocker :D

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-1 # hmmmreza666 2010-10-29 11:33
This PSP2 looks awsome (about time with touch and dual sticks) but then i wonder what is the point of PSP-Phone?
I mean it will make it hard for developers and consumers to have 2 psp's with games that dont work on both (i assume).
I would love to have this one with a phone built-in or maybe even a plugin device i can connect to it.

Anyway this one looks awsome to me and now i am not sure i will get the 3DS as this seems to blow it away :D

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# RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 Thomas7 2010-10-29 12:07
Thats dumb as shit. That much Ram isn't needed. This isn't windows and we aren't going to have 10 programs open at the same time. Sony would be stupid to put that much ram in it. The person that created this rumor obviously has no concept of what RAM actually does. A gaming OS dedicated to a single task of playing 1 game would never need 1GB ram. Hell what do they want to do, load the whole damn game into ram? I mean geez.

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# RE: RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 chuck.fx 2010-11-01 11:52
unless the psp2 can run many things at the same time, ever thought of that Sherlock?

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# HmmPSP2Commenter 2010-10-29 12:42
It seem they put the rumor back to work again. i mean how many months,year have we been waiting for a psp2 with as much power as a xbox(the original one) and now they say it bee more powerful then the xbox 360 :D this seem to me just another way sony try to make people hold back their money and buy a psp when it comes out(if it comes out) and say "wtf this is not what i pay for". this is just my 2 cent.

BUT if it does come out with dual stick,touch screen, and super fast proccessor like xbox 360 with enough memory. AND a cool design(i mean i dont want to have just a ugly portable box do i?) then i may even sell my laptop for it :)

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# ...symbal 2010-10-29 13:06
Imagine the battery capacity you need to run 360 games for any reasonable time, and the amount of heat the thing's gonna put off, so i'm calling complete bullshit on this one, it's nothing more than the kind of wildly exaggerated claims Sony put out for what Ps2 could manage.

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+1 # No UMD?PSDude 2010-10-29 13:52
I think they should still keep the UMD. Tried of updating memory-stick. The PSP2 should be updated into a Blu-ray UMD. Hellya!

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# RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 PS3 Owner1 2010-10-29 16:17
Rumour's nothing more than speculation's.

One thing is for sure, it'll be better than Nintendo's 3DS because Sony will know what the hardware it has.

3DS's graphics weren't too good, a bit better than PSP, like PS2/Wii.

Hopefully PSP 2 will have superior graphics, and awesome games, like Uncharted 2 PSP2 edt. :lol:

No UMD? Bring another physical format because digital format sucks to the point I'll never buy anything from PSS (overpriced).

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# RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 Zenshua91 2010-10-29 18:01
No UMD? Rival the PSP? Quit speaking out your ass $ony, you failed with the no-UMD Go and you'll fail with the PSP2 if you do that trick again. No portable could ever compete with a console platform. 3" screen vs the size of the common person's TV (32") alone shows how much potential a handheld has against a platform. Granted, certain games are extremely addicting and fun on a portable vs a console, but think of it, would you rather play Metal Gear on a PSP with a small screen and garbled borders, or would you play it on a PS3 with Blu-Ray quality and HD rendering?

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# lolAnnonymoose 2010-10-31 03:13
right and you're not speaking out ur ass when you say something as stupid as this: "No UMD? Rival the PSP?"

learn to READ before you bitch about what people WRITE

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+1 # RE: RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 chuck.fx 2010-11-01 11:55
what part of "portable" you don't understand... uh, unless you take your 32" screen and your ps3 to the train... and a huge battery too... retard

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# KEEP UMDAntony Rivera 2010-10-29 18:06
Sony just need to created a new type of UMD that can hold at least 2.5Gb(original UMD's can hold 1.8gb) That way developers have much more space to put in more stuff. Look at God of War Ghost of Sparta, i couldn't believed that i was playing on a PSP. But imagine that game but 2x better if the UMD had more space

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# there goes my hopeslunas 2010-10-30 05:54
well if that rumor is true it will be a psp go 2 not a psp2 didnt they learn how to fail and when are they going to try the opposite. Who ever things download everything is feasible right now is high on something with the way bandwidth is being treated the Internet all over the world could not sustain the epic amount of traffic 8 gig psp2 games would eat multiplied by 2 million psp2 owners. add ontop of that on-demand movies and streaming video and all the other stuff... Well the point is the Internet is being overloaded as is there needs to be major upgrades to the network before download it all is possible give it 5-10 years and maybe work will get started.

Bottom line PHYSICAL MEDIA is here to stay...

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# RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 trigger_ftu 2010-10-30 14:18
know what the funny thing is. all in this post is exactly the same when th4e pspGO! was announced. no umd, bluetooth,etc.

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# RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 winson 2010-10-30 16:47
wow theyre still using that fan art psp picture xD?

hasnt that been around BEFORE the first psp was made xD!

guess that shows that the psp could have been much much better!

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# ...xD 2010-11-01 09:13
you for got the shipment cost for the parts....

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# RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 Dirk 2010-11-01 13:31
Only problem is it will need a car battery to run the damn thing for any decent length of time

Cartridges are probably far cheaper to manufacture than media today, taking into account drives for the system etc

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# LMFAOkaz050 2010-11-01 16:21
Hey man what you got there oh its my psp2goPhone WHAT!!! no way gtfo whats it got on it OH man its got a crap load dual nubs touch screen 1gb ram OH HELL NO how long dose it last for 4-6 hours no way oh yeah not only that but when people call you it F's up your game oh and even if you hang on it, its less bat life oh damn so how much was it erm about as much as droping it on a 360/ps3.pspgo when it frist hit was 250usd now think of how much this one is gona cost.

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# RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 KylBlz 2010-11-04 05:20
If they made something very similar to the design pictured above, but with good ergonomics, i would snap it up like a hot cake.

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# Make it possible to play 2 player games on it !!!dgd 2010-11-04 19:59
ITS not fun to play PSP ALONE !
LISTEN to me Sony and dond be dumb.
handheld != only one player games on one console.
Add possibility to connect ps3 gamepad .

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# RE: Make it possible to play 2 player games on it !!!0genmu0 2010-11-05 05:29
Why would they listen to you?
For someone who can't even spell "don't" nor get a proper sentence done, you sure know who to call dumb.

handheld = 1 player? It's a 3x5 inch screen... of course it's going to be single player. Who'd want to play multiplayer on that anyway?

possibility to connect gamepad? Get a PSP Go... dumb little kid.

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# RE: Rumor: PSP2 will have no UMD, could rival the Xbox 360 Well... 2010-11-04 23:10
Digital content = More revenue

They want more money because umd (physical copies) can be resold without any revenue towards Sony.
Plain and simple.

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