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Redesigned PSP, PSP 2.0 Or Just Leave It? |
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Roughly five minutes after the PSP hit store shelves whispers began circulating around the net that a redesign was in the cards, these rumors rose to a mild rumbling as gamers began to realise that while the PSP was sexy looking piece of kit, it did have a number of design flaws.
- Only one analog knob (one knob to rule them all): Nintendo figured out back in the 32bit era with the N64 that a single analog stick is inadequate when it comes to articulate control in three dimensions. Intelligent developers like Sony Bend and Zipper Interactive have managed to work around this by mapping functions traditionally allocated to the second analog stick to the PSP's face buttons, with varying degrees of success. A second analog stick would free four buttons up, giving the console greater functionality and making it more suited to fluid control in 3D environments.
- Nub placement: Bad enough that there's only one stick, but did they have to stick it in a position where it'll cause sever thumb crampage? I have no idea what sort of placement would be better, but that's why I'm not a highly paid hardware engineer, this one could use some finxin' boys.
- The UMD Disc format: They look cute as all heck, and people "oooh", and "ahh," when you pop 'em out to show 'em off, but the UMD disc format has caused more bad for the PSP than good. First off is the fact that it's just too darn slow to load, granted this could be improved with a hardware revision that upgrades the drive seek time but it still takes time to start spinning the drive. Speaking of spinning drives, this and the laser needed to read the discs uses up a fair amount of the PSP's already precious battery power that most of us would rather conserve if we had the choice. Lastly, the UMD format has a fixed capacity at 1.8GB, we're already seeing flash memory that more than quadruples its storage capacity and has lower power consumption and faster seek times.
So now we've listed some of the problems that need to be tackled but what's the best option for the job, a redesign or a full blown successor to the hardware? That's still a tough question, let's have a deeper look shall we?
The Redesign: A redesign could take care of most of the problems if not all of them, and it would probably be cheaper for Sony to manufacture as they'd be able to implement new power saving technology developed since the PSP's launch and possibly shrink die sizes. However, a redesign would mean that a very large percentage of PSP gamers would be left with the original older units, units that have only one analog nub (ruh-roh!) This would effectively split the user base in half, granted it's been done before with the PSOne and its move from the original controller (which had no analog sticks) to the Dual Shock, (which had two) but that was a $40 peripheral, not the entire console.
Releasing a redesign would be akin to asking your entire user base to chuck their current hardware down the poop shoot and plonk down some hard earned dough to get a swanky new PSP - Lite. The reason Nintendo's been so successful with their GBA and DS redesigns is that the basic functionality of the system was carried over. For a PSP redesign to work Sony could conceivably get away with changing the position of the nub, and possibly even nixing the UMD drive, but every console would still have only one nub and that's a problem.
The PSP2: For the record, "PSP2" would be really lame name, but in the absence of something more creative we'll go with it for now. A PSP2 would be Sony's best bet for fixing all the design flaws in the PSP and they could include upgraded hardware components, increased memory, faster processing chips, include a hard drive, the whole deal. Plus they'd have the benefit of hindsight and experience in the handheld sector to better design the beast. The big question is whether gamers feel the time is right to purchase the PSP's successor, the console's only been out for just a little over a year and many feel it's only now beginning to gain some momentum. There's also the fact that we're yet to see the full potential of the PSP, the clock is still locked at 222MHz and dammit, I want to see some 333MHz games before I have to drop another $250 on a new handheld!
In the end it's almost a given Sony's explored both possibilities, and if I were a betting man I hedge my bet on Sony not releasing a PSP2 or a PSP - Lite for a while to come. The PSP is doing just fine at the moment (it actually beat out the DS in sales for the month of May) and the platform is finally starting to get some good games, Sony realises this and knows how much time and effort developers are putting into the system. Releasing a PSP2 or a PSP - Lite right now would be pulling the rug out from under developers and worse, consumers.
So what say you guys, PSP2, a redesign, or just leave it as it is?
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When playing gran tourismo on the PS2 you also only used one analog stick and the X button. So I don't see the problem... When adding another analog stick I start seeing problems. Where do you put that second one? In the middle of the 4 buttons? Under it? (you will get the same problem as you get with the first one, pain in your thumb) My tip for sony; don't add a second nob!!!
Second the pain in the thumb. I agree on that (though I never use the nub, maybe becuase of that reason). But moving it will be another problem. If you look at your PSP you will see that the arrow keys and the 4 buttons on the left are ib ibe horizontale line. The nub is right bellow the arrow keys and the nub is already as close at the arrows as it can get. What might be a solution is moving the arrows and the buttons up slightly but that may cause some physical problems as well...
UMD to slow problem. Yeah UMD is real slow, I agree. But this can be evaded! I played pretty much games now. Wipeout Pure, Burnout hell even The Sims 2. Wipeout and Burnout wern't any problems, the game time whas way longer the loading times (although Burnout had long loading times when doing those crash races which are of course short). But The Sims 2 had hudge loading times, just unbelievble!!! The difference is verry simpel; Burnout and Wipeout both loaded most of the date in the PSP already but The Sims 2 loads something from the UMD every time you tick your X button.
Also a solution might be using the memory stick that is in the PSP as some sort temp. saving (just like your memory in your computer). Conclusion is that UMD is slow when the makers of a game didn't thougd about it...
Flash memory as replacement? I think flash memory of 2 GB will cost a lot more then a UMD disc...
I don't think sony needs to change this design for now! But I do expect a new design when the PSP2 arives. (which will take a lot of years)
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Better get it started Sony
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machine that people seem to quick to moan about.
Come on, if your used to a Dreamcast controller -
the PSP's setup isn't too much of a problem once
your used to it.
The PSP should never have been named the PSP -
people automaticaly expect it to be a "playstation"
replacement.
Granted the UMD format was a very bad idea, but
this matters not to us homebrew users...
But anyways - what we have is fine. Yes I think a scaled down cheaper version of the PSP would be
great... but it would piss me off no end if it had more
features.
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psp is for serioss gamers who hate the sun
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Solves the bloggers qualms at any rate.
The PSP _reminds_ me of that dog food that they spent millions developing and engineering to be the "perfect dog food" - and it was nutritionally perfect, and should have been perfect taste wise... only problem was the dogs didnt eat it.
The PSP... well it looks great, and works the way they designed it to... it just doesnt fit in our mouths..er... hands very well.
my 2cents are free today I guess.
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now to the UMD... they load slow but another laser would drain power too fast and memory sticks are actually quite cheap these days but i would rather be able to put something with more space in the psp because memory sticks only hold so much and are tiny so if anything would be good it would be an extra memory stick slot.
there wont be a new design in a while mostly because they are about to release ps3 with psp compatibility so a lot of people who get a ps3 might invest in a psp and then not want to buy the psp2 because they just spent a crap load on a psp; so that would give the psp at least 1 more year after this coming christmas before redesign. it also still has a lot of updates to be incorporated like the camera, gps, and 4 and 8gb memory sticks(not to be confused with HDD) because the psp can't load an 8 gb stick yet nor is there one available but there is an article from a while back talking about them.
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*Keyboard. (a design that doesn't look stupid)
*Homebrew (for all firmwares accepted)
*Better Quality TV-OUT Hardware.
*More Functionality e.g. run various applications like skype, msn.... etc. (Properly Assigned Software for PSP use)
*Better Flash Support, Shockwave Macromedia Player, Java Plugin.
*Larger and Cheaper Memory Sticks e.g. 20GB - 60GB (would be nice).
As you can see i have stated the obvious (it can be done!), and i have been (kind of) realistic about my views.
If sony wake up and allow the following, i bet a lot more people would hold on to their PSP for a lot longer.
Let me know what you think or evan better, add any additional software or hardware you would like to see, that i have not already stated above ;DD
!!PSP RULES!!
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ATi Radeon Video card, and a 20 GB Built in Harddrive. :)
I want all of that in the PSP2 Lol
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it's *****ing genius, you can't scratch teh damn things unless you try really hard
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... Are you stupid? 20-60gb flash cards are NOT gonna ever be what I would call cheep, at least not for the next 10-20-30 years or something like that... If we are paying $250 for 4gb now, how much would 60 cost? sheesh.
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1.2nd analog
2.Foget UMDs and just make smaller disc than the Gamecube
[ or samesize ]
3. add to more shoulder buttons. Just make the should buttons smaller and have them hug the corners.
4. Allowed homebrew but patched ISOs
5.Make it so you can play your psp out in the sun somehow
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does any one know how much a gp2x costs and if it has solid snes emulation yet?
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A better, non-scratch screen,
A detachable upper clam shell to cover the screen when it's in your pocket. (Like the one from pelican but tougher).
Fix the placement of the half chopped Square button and right d-pad.
And also raise the D-pad so you can press diagonal. That all can be done.
All but the screen would be cheap too. There's no need for two nubs because this psp wasn't made for it. Maybe the next one in 3 or 4 more years. What do you all think?
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1) it would be bigger (i have big hands so no prob)
2)(and this is good) you could forget about umds and sony could have a paypal download service at game stores
3)You would pay out the ass for it seriously
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Now yes, all these flaws are true and yes, what they need to do is just let the PSP live for now, and in a few years, sony needs to get their act together and make te PSP2 with fixes for all these flaws
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Handhelds should be light and easy to carry and hold. Also, i pray that sony learns from nintendo's wisdom on either designing a built in cover for the screen, or go completely clamshell. This makes the unit more fun to play and less worry about protection of the unit.
Last, an integrated HD. The advantages are obvious.
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Hey idiot, pro duos have been around before the PSP dolt. It's not like your PS2 memory card, the pro duo is universal.
"will soemeone explain to me why no one thought of UMDs before?!?
it's *****ing genius, you can't scratch teh damn things unless you try really hard"
Holy crap how badly do you treat your discs? Instead of horrible loading times let's get discs that can scratch easier, load better and you can go to game crazy and pay a buck or two for them to re-buffer it.
"yeah sony isn't going to put a pc os on a handheld get a grip not to mention if they do make a psp2 its probably going to be way more than homebrew proof without serious hacking and i mean serious hacking maybe even a necessary modchip and look how long it took for a psp modchip"
First of all, EVERYTHING has exploits waiting to be found, even the future PSP2. Second, I'm tiried of idiots say
OMG TEH [insert hardware] is [insert high price]!11!!!!one!!!!11eleven
Not when sony orders it direct in mass qualities, or make it themselves (which they usually do).
And who thinks two analog nubs is bad? It's called a redesign, they'd get it to fit. Since you're here, let's assume you're American. Most Americans love FPSs, unlike the Japanese.
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I SAY!
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how bout a new homebrew friendly firmware
something like this....
any msduo stick based programs are required to have a special code
this code has a counter code on the umd discs
if a homebrew program tried to play a umd originat game the code that allows the homebrew to play will be counteracted by the counter code imbedded in the umd based game.
It would defer people from using iso's, there would be no reason to hack the psp's firmware to enable homebrew, and if you did it would be for illegal psp iso's. So it would give sony ease in cracking down on illegal use of homebrew and copying iso's.
Sony, why do you care if people use their psp's for other older non available console games that arnt yours. You shouldnt be held liable for people breaking their user agreements(upon this firmware) and using homebrew for illegal purposes. You have lawyers to be able to slide all liability for such things to the purchasors, like the gp2x or what ever its called. Think about it.
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like the Video I-Pod. Obviously the Mini HDD doesent cost that much. And mabye a bad ass touch screen if thay want to beat the Nintendo DS as well. They need to make a home system that can play the UMD's (Mabye Even Bluray Playback) If they do retire the UMD's.
I dont see what the fuss about there only being ONE Analog Stick, You really dont want or need a new one that would suck, And about aches from the stick, Get a Pad or Rubber cover for it! The PSP needs to drop the idea of using the DUO Memory Sticks, The are not big enough!
There are some problems but they will soon have more kick ass stuff, Just wait! Video RSS will come soon!
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=====> keep the UMD AND add 1-2 GB of flash memory
=====> move the d-pad and 4-buttons down and compact them
=====> make the L + R buttons a solid divider and put the L1, L2, R1, R2 buttons back in on either side of that divider
=====> add tv out on top and move mini usb to the bottom, give it USB-OTG and beef up the chipset.
also...get rid of the heat when the wifi is turned on.
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I think a built in camera would be nice but not nesecary. I also would like 2 analog nubs. I know the battery's right there but it would be nice. Removable flash memory and possibly a bui;t in hard drive would be awsome.
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and then we can put windows XP and mac os on it!
and then we'll HAVE to ask sony for some type of update that will give us XBox 360 - like graphics!
we could also have sony put 6 memory sticks slots on it!
and then we will just scrap the UMDs for no reason!!!
hahahahaha
come on everybody!!! serously... every one is asking just way to much... the PSP is an excellent system, especially for sonys first handheld... its fine the way it is...
(and scrapping the UMDs??? why? they really arent that slow if you think about it. i dont know about you guys... but i can wait for a minute of more for my game to load. just be patient!)
Love,
Buka
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- 1.8GB flash card will cost way more than 1.8GB UMD, which may drive the game price even higher. Thus, no flash card for game
- Sure there are games with longer load time, but there are games that have virtually zero load time (eg. Tales of Eternia). Conclusion is, load time will depend on how hard working the developers are.
- Hdd will reduce the battery life even futher (eg. Ipod Video), thus no HDD.
- 1 Analog nub is better than no analog nub, don't get too greedy
- I'm pretty satisfies with the battery life too... it may only be 6 hours, but it is better than my 1 year old DS. Yes, when I first bought the DS, it can hold 8 hours of game per charge, but after 1 year, the battery can only hold 4 hours.
- Square button position was faulty, but has been fixed.
We do not need PSP-Lite or PSP2 now, PSP is still young and still have plenty of life in it. Like some of the poster said, the load time can be improved even futher, if Sony (is willing to) released a firmware to allow games to use MSDuo for temp space. Anyway, what we need right now for PSP is more original games (maybe better ports as well).
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Adding a 2nd nub and keeping the psp size would be basically impossible - Internally! the psp has no god damn room so they would end up expanding the size - making it less portable.
Moving the nub is a great idea - my thumb is still cramped after only 30 mins on socom
For the loading times - Use ISOs on your memorystick. Faster loading times, less memory, and just swap games on your computer. Its not piracy if you own the games in the first place.
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The UMD format was just a gimmick to try and turn the PSP into a portable movie viewer.
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by Y (Unregistered), at Jun 13, 2006 at 05:38PM
i believe that is the best idea ever lol,
i had this idea once of using the way the UMD's pop out of the drive as a clay pidgeon device. there's way too much power in the umd drives!!!! the discs are always flying all over the place lmao..........
and because they are sooo slow you'd just wanna shoot em anyway
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Some of these should be considered...
1) Larger RAM, 32 MB isn't enough for smooth running of the games. Since the ram is little, games loads longer. Having a larger ram is cheap these days considering the prices of memory unites have dropped.
2) I would love a touch screen for the PSP. That way, the games would become interactive, and many new possibilities could be churned out... On screen keyboard anyone?
3) Better resolution screen. Current screen is large and lovely. If screen gets bigger, that means the PSP will be larger. So a higher resolution screen would be a huge improvement. That would mean better graphic chips and so on... more expensive hardware, which might not be the case in a few years to come...
4) Anti-Aliasing! very important. Current PSP graphics are crips and beautiful (GTA, Untold Legend:WC) but pixelized lines are very visible. So better graphic hardware i guess...
5) Blue-Tooth : a battery saving wilreless tool, essential. Wireless is fine but for short distances, bluetooth will save alot of juice. If the Battery technology still doesn't support longer life, then saving batter could be a solution. Bluetooth might be handy, for example, trasfering data between phone and PSP, i always want that!
6) Phone function. PSP is already bluky enough for a portable device! carrying another bluky device is inconvenient (A handphone!). (But, that would shorten the battery life, a really bad point there...)
Wow, i worte alot for my first time posting
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Hopefully Sony and the developers can start churning out more hits this year.
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However Sony can re-design the umds laser reading system, so it uses less battery power, and adjust load time; there will be a way to do it :P.
I would like to the a thinner (even though its thickness is decent ) psp, The analog nub re-positioned, so its isnt as far down, re-postioning of the speakers (who the hall puts speakers on the bottom of a handheld!), adn a backlight screen, that can be viewed under sunlight, like a mobile phones.
Hardware wise Sony CANNOT change anything drastically, exept ajust the clock speed for certain games, and the umd reader ect. If they add more memory, faster cpu, flash card games, the original psp will be rendered useless.
Hell it would possibley be one of the most stupid moves in hand held history, to re-release a new psp with more nubs , buttons ect. a year after the first came out
A re-design however is a good idea (GBA SP, DS Lite).
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Just shut up with these idiotic articles already. This is forum content. Say what you want to about the PSP and the little problems with it, but it's Sony's first handheld and the best handheld to date as well.
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Playing a FPS with one stick is pointless. You can't aim properly, and automatic lock ons defeat the purpose of playing.
BIG DESIGN FAULT SONY!!!!!!!! FOOLS.
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but
the game umds are to easy to mess up. i hate it!!
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Wireless Products with the use of the UBS port or Wireless capabilities of PSP, and a matching PowerStand for when using certain Wireless products. (for example for use while watching a Movie. Lay back and relax playing your portable heh...), oh and when i say wireless i mean:
Remote(for movies and music)
Controller(Yay! )
Keyboard( Helya!)
Eyetoy
S.Controllers(lik e DDR pad, Guitar, strange controllers)
Headset (for like Socom)
Blue tooth Cellphone piece(I dont wanna hold up a Ginormous PSP to my ear....wth, its just retarded to even think about it..)
Heavier UMD's/Dual layered?(More space in the UMD's to battle the Speed issue?)
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An OPTION for Using Partial Card space to store Gamebits/Information/Files, to speed up Loading....this would help ALOT....but ofcoarse this wouldnt be an issue if they werent retarded abd included a mini Harddrive...lol
Fix Speed Issue, Crank the machine up to 333 for the sake of UMD's...battery life? Thats what extra batterys are for.
Stronger Batteries! = Juice!
For future referance...Its could have been posible to add more buttons or add the second Stick by other methods....like a controller(....wich i hope they release for the PlayStation Emulator....) or Smarter thinking lol. Sony....give us more attachables...
SOFTWARE is god...learn that lol, Sony+Any sofware can make big bucks if they sell small Downloadables like: Macromedia Flash player, java, MSN, AIM, Photoshop, Adobe, Music editing/making programs, etc...but hey..i like frebies too..so lol. Again, These can be stored in Memory sticks...its really is all about having the PSP being compatible with em'
What else can i say...
Operating system would be nice, HHD, Mic Recorder, cell phone,CAMERA ATTACHEMENT.....etc.
Please.....Make this the one Tool of the future, the monster of utility and BEAST of entertaiment.
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More features = more £££
so i think yes the psp could have been a bit more powerful and a bit more open-source-orientated (homebrew allowing)
(especially the speakers #93/94)
but FOR THE SAME PRICE!
and i think sony should recall all psps and upgrade them to the new model, and allow us our homebrew.
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Improved UMD bay.
I don't think we are ready just yet to take the leap from Disk type drives to flash drives, at least not in the PSP. Unless you don't mind having the rough textures that the DS has.
If companies are making games that require long load periods, they are the ones at fault, not Sony. The PSP should be just as fun if you're playing for 10 minutes or an hour. If the developers fail to achieve that you should blame it on them.
I'm almost certain homebrew will never happen on a future revision of the PSP, unless, it uses a Linux-based OS or someone flash-mods it.
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What you have to do is make the most of what you already have. Sure the PSP ain't perfect, it never will be, but for what it's worth, it's bloody good at doing what it does.
So UMD's are slow, it's called patience. For graphics that good on something so small it's no wonder. Look at the Sega Mega Drive (genesis), that was one fat ass console. Now we're carrying it around with an unlimited number of games on a chip no bigger that your thumbnail.
Give the PSP a break. It's an amazing console with some amazing features still yet to be unlocked. The GPS, Camera, Microphone. It'll soon show it's full potential...
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went with the UMD, it saves them money.
Anybody remember how expensive N64 games where
compared to PS1 ? Sticking with cartridges cost Nintendo
the console crown.
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More memory for multi-tasking.
More media friendly. And get rid of that UMD drive.
The UMD drive reminds me of the NeoGeo CD days.
Other then that... The PSP is a very cool, good looking piece of hardware.
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We can't modify the design just to fit fat American Sizes...cauz then it'd too big for us to play!
You wonna complain? make your own gaming system,
or just upsize it by 3 inches, how about that?
Also, some people complain about the dead pixiles in their psp's
well, a genuine japanese machine uses genuine Sony LCD screens
American pieces of ***** uses cheap Samsung as replacement
Don't complain to the Japanese!
PSP2 does sound really gay
thats exactly why they're gonna call the next system PSI
(Playstation Interactive)
It will also rid of the UMD system and switch to Mini-BlueRay
Next time you try to come up with a comment like this,
well... just don't!
Don't talk unless you know what you're talkin about!
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about the psp2 name, wouldn't it be called the ps2p, playstation2 portible?
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Okay, kids at home. Try this. Turn your PSP upside down, and hold the PSP like you usually do, but put your thumb on the nub. Feels pretty good to have it right there, huh? Now imagine adding one more on the left side, and move all the buttons, and the direc. pad down just a little and you're golden. After that change, I'd say it was set to go.
Of course if they make it, it's going to have firmware 6.8 or something, and my precious precious homebrew won't work! Boo!
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Homebrew isn't going to happen, they want people to buy their games, and if they can download them then whats the point of buying em? So don't even get your hopes up for it.
As for the system design, first off make the system less smudgy. The thing gets filthy and covered with fingerprints in less than a minute. Secondly, put the analog nub at the top of the system. Same spot but above the dpad, where it's much more easily accessable, and you're not twisting your entire hand just to get your thumb down there.
The dpad needs to be stiffer, it feels to mushy at the moment for proper diagnol movements. I never particularly liked the Playstation dpad design, but I have to live with it.
The biggest thing they could do for UMD's is add an option to UMD speed and battery life. Basically, select whether you want shorter load times, or longer battery life. That way, you can have your longer battery life, or you can spend less than 5 minutes waiting for a game to start up.
The PSP has many options and things dulled down. Appeal to the simple average consumer, a normal business strategy. However, Sony can't forget that some of their users may not want simple. They may want more options, they may want to be able to reduce their battery life for better performance. I for one would love to be able to set the screen on full brightness on the battery, but apparently Sony must protect the battery in my interest. I want that option to waste my battery for better screen quality. Give me that option dangit!
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Sure the prices would drop when producers put their games on them and more people bought them but I doubt the prices would drop anywhere close to what a UMD game costs.
Maybe the PSP has some flaws but they're far from critical.
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Nintendo on the other hand keep on supporting old hardware that's well past its sell by date, regardless that it may not even be selling that well. They know the value of keeping loyal consumers happy in the long term.
Sure the PSP is flawed, but not fatally so. There may be a minor redesign, like repositioned analogue nub and sorted square button, but don't expect much more than that for at least a couple more years.
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anyone else had this problem?
as for the bad positioning, i think its fine as it is.
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Although it is possible to integrate many of the suggestions above, the price would skyrocket.
In addition the games would become more expensive as many new and different factors would have to be taken into consideration by game makers.
The PSP definately needs refining, but it is still the best in the gaming/crossover market.
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PS3 (PocketStation 3)
There was PocketStation add on for PSone. PocketStation 1
PSP PocketStation 2 (PS2)
PSP2 PocketStation 3 (PS3)
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Bottom line is that sony has suckered people, myself included. Into buying flawed hardware with nothing but a bunch of ports on it . And nobody is going to make a killer FPS for it because it's so flawed.
I think we need to make a stand and boycott because it seems like be it sony, microsoft, or nintendo WE, US the gamers are all getting the shaff.
Yes I understand these companies are out make millions on us even debating about which system is better. But we need to understand WE have the power.
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Bottom line is that sony has suckered people, myself included. Into buying flawed hardware with nothing but a bunch of ports on it . And nobody is going to make a killer FPS for it because it's so flawed.
I think we need to make a stand and boycott because it seems like be it sony, microsoft, or nintendo WE, US the gamers are all getting the shaff.
Yes I understand these companies are out make millions on us even debating about which system is better. But we need to understand WE have the power.
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