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Pachter to Sony: "PSP2 must be cheaper than iPod Touch to succeed" |
Listed in: PSP Tags: ipod touch, Michael Pachter, PSP2, Sony
Wedbush Morgan's resident gaming guru Michael Pachter is at it again with another of his two cents, this time discussing the often-rumored, long-awaited PlayStation Portable iteration. According to the analyst, the only way Sony can revive the PSP brand is by making the next generation portable handheld cheaper than the iPod Touch. Speaking in an interview with Industry Gamers, the analyst said:
"No thoughts on PSP2 until I see the price. I think that the PSPgo is a fine device, but the price point has absolutely killed it. If Sony takes it and makes it more expensive with multiple cameras, I think that they will destroy the brand. The only way I can see a PSP resurgence is to price it below the iPod Touch, which is a versatile device with a really great display. The PSP2 has to be priced at $199 or lower to have a real shot. If it has a Cell processor, that price point isn't likely."
Rumors surrounding the next iteration of PSP has generated a lot of buzz in the gaming circle lately with one source saying that the upcoming machine is “f*cking powerful” because it will come equipped with a quad-core CPU.
Via [Industry Gamers]
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speaking of which, i wonder whatever happened to that rumored PSP 4000...
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Sometimes if I'm house sitting for someone or staying in a motel for instance I might want to plug in and play on a bigger screen but I dont want to bring my playstation with me.
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It's either that, or god forbid pay the hotel $6.99 for one hour of playing Mario kart (it is Mario kart 64, but still. Stupid Marriot) ... or even worse, small talk w. the husby.
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You kids and your ADD.
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Try 'you oldies and your tape cassettes'.
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Against nintendo and sony?
Apples and oranges.
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Have you seen Zenonia 1/2 and Chaos Rings by Square?
[Zenonia rivals Zelda]
[Chaos Rings rivals FF8/Crisis Core]
I believe even in the beginning stages, the iPod/iPad could be a MARVELOUS gaming machine.
It's just that small time devs make crappy games for the device... [ Like Nintendo's shovelware ] and brings down the Apple.
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It can be summed up in 2 simple words:
PRICE POINT
It doesn't take a MBA degree'd world renowned analyst to see that the PSP Go WOULD have been a storming 'success' if it had been introduced at $149 instead of $249. They ended up losing more money through this act of avarice.
Now, they are repeating history once again by introducing new tech that will more than likely be priced in the same range as a full home console. This is not appealing to people purchase handhelds. We will never be happy to pay the same price for a handheld gaming system that mirrors the same price as a much more powerful home console. Period
Also,
I pray that this new tech will not compromise form-factor nor battery life in lieu of shiny graphics capability and an anemic set of cameras. The cameras need to truly be superior the ones located in my cell phone. And, battery life darn sure better BEAT the battery life in the current gen of Iphones/Ipods.
Last,
THIS DEVICE NEEDS TO DO MORE THAN PLAY GAMES.
If you are going to 'compete' with your competitors, then give us something BETTER than what is currently available.
Dont give us a smaller machine with a microphone and absolutely no way to record voice notes. And, a machine that has no REMOTE to control the device without taking the unit out of my pocket first. It's ridiculous. And, please dont start me on the naming conventions and conversion process associated with transferring working video formats on the PSP.
Better should be BETTER!
.....and it should never break the bank of your comsumers. This is why Apple currently reigns supreme.
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Personally, that "ease of use" annoys the hell out of me. It's easy to do exactly what Apple wants the average consumer to do, but I'm more of a tech geek and I like having more options. If a company could really find a best of both worlds approach: easy to use, but still powerful and useful; that would be something to see. Sadly, I think Apple will stick with their current model of capitalizing on dumb people and Sony will stick with their model of doing whatever the hell they want and who cares what anybody else things.
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If I wanted a generalized piece of hardware I could get an ipod touch.
If I'm purchasing a playstation I want a dedicated cutting edge gaming platform first.
Cameras and microphones and buzzers and pinwheels should be very secondary and preferably optional since I dont want things like that that I would never use making the system bulkier, heavier or a strain on the battery.
Just good cutting edge games in a convenient package with reasonable performance off the grid IMO.
I guess I also have to differ with your final statement too.
Apples are kinda pricey.
They are nice machines and you get your monies worth. But as we've seen that alone doesnt sell a piece of hardware.
Besides the cool factor of being seen owning one I guess I might conjecture that they sell well due to the plethora of apps available for them.
The software library.
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tl;dr extras are nice and needed for psp's success but gaming should be primary
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Thank goodness for HB.
And I also love using my PSP as an ebook/comic reader, watching vids, surfing the net when away from a computer, etc.
But we're talking extra Software functions there.
What I'm saying is I would rather not be loaded up with a bunch of extra hardware functions on the core system that would be of arguable use according to each persons tastes.
Just sell a base cutting edge lightweight core with expansion options for people who want to add a twitter dongle, or video chat interface, or turn signals or whatever is gonna hip next week.
Leaving all that shit off of the base unit would also keep the manufacturing and price point down.
As far as the hardware on the core unit, maybe include a touchscreen for expanded game design options and a better on screen keyboard.
But let people add their own microphones and cameras and GPS and shit if they want to.
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The funny thing is that they will. After a year or so of the system not selling for crap, they'll strip out all the extra bells and whistles and sell a slim version. Why not start with the slim? Sure, I realize that part of the slimification is improvements to the core technology, but why not skip the cameras and save on the cost?
On the flip side, though, they should skip the part where they remove useful features. DON'T take out bc. DON'T take out linux support.
Heh. They should give the psp2 linux support at launch. It'd be hilarious.
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PSP has done more than just games since day 1
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Every model of PSP has had remotes since day 1 to control it without taking it out of your pocket.
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Maybe they'll include the ability to play with the PSP2 without having to play with it.
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you are paying a premium for the form factor and convenience of it being portable. not to mention it costs more to engineer everything to work in that tiny little space.
people need to grow up and understand these companies are trying to make money, not give you an item at a price point YOU think is good but will be at a loss for them.
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I think if the psp2 was kick ass powerfull then I say a price around 200$ would do really well.
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The whole "less for more" thing wasn't to well thought out.
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I understand what he's saying, and that it's about the price, not the devices, but it just seems like people compare these devices like they're on par with each other.
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Sony doesn't really need a powerful PSP. They just need a PSP that can attract both the casual and hardcore gamers with a price of around $200. It also needs to be the around the size of the PSP GO. Portability is important.
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But the only problem I have with making the PSP smaller is that my 2000 is already somewhat of a pain to manipulate for long periods.
I haven't even tried the go but from the reviews I've read and the way I imagine it it must be even worse.
My hands woulds would probably be two gnarled stumps after playing with that for an hour.
Lighter, Yes.
But I think we're pushing the limit on smaller.
Especially for a platform that features more mature games for people with fully developed extremities.
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I understand what he's saying, and that it's about the price, not the devices, but it just seems like people compare these devices like they're on par with each other."
To a casual consumer, they won't see the PSP2, DS vs Ipod touch/Iphones as different marketed devices. They'll see the similarities with, gaming, movies, internet, music, photos, and etc. To most people right now, they're in the same category with what I mentioned. Gamers know that the PSP and DS are built more towards games. The Ipod touch is built towards media on the go and the Iphone is phone driven with media on the go.
Sony needs to be able to attract the gamers and media driven consumers. Price wise, they can't exceed $250 but know Sony, they'll find a way to make it $300+. Then they'll be competing with their own console for sales. As somebody already stated, who wants to buy a portable system that's the same price or more than a home based system.
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Hell I want to do CoD the portable way :)
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Maybe they're hoping to spark sales by introducing an altered product even though the current one is still cutting edge.
But we saw how that worked with the go.
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We need a PSP2 right now more then ever.
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I dont have extra money to pee away just for doing it. Not sure a lot of grown people do these days.
I'd spend money diverted to another system on some better games for the one I've got.
What newer games that it cant play do you speak of?
Bioshock 2?
Drakes fortune?
That aint happening on a portable system.
Thats why home consoles and PC's are not the same size as a handheld.
If my "old run down" PC from 5 years ago was still the best PC on the market, I think I could live with it.
And the current PSP has not topped out of potential yet. Its just arguably lacking in library.
Although on the other hand if you want to compare the best looking portable titles they're all on the the PSP, not the competition.
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Most hard core gamers Save up money for the Next big systems that comes out, if you look back, All systems have about a 5year lifespan before a newer system comes out. the PSP is pushing 6 years now "Thus why i said we need a NEW system Now more then ever"
people can keep saying that the PSP has not reached it's potential but they are just kidding them self's and others, When really the PSP has top out and even over past it's potential.
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Instead of SPUs it had VUs
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But i mean it's still just the same old games and looks the same. It's like if the SNES or the PS1 just kept coming out with updated versions of them self's and we never got the N64 or PS2 (aka) this is more or less why Sega DIED as they just keep spitting out Addons after Addons. 4-5 years is ok for waiting on New tech But getting into the 6-7 or even 8years is just pushing it.
Having like 2 versions of a System
-FAT
-Slim
Is ok But having like 7-10 versions of the same damn system is just dumb.
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The iTouch fails at Music. It lacks basics settings like crossover. This kinda small details is why Apple is set to lose. They add on something just do remove something. They've never won anything in the handheld war in the first place.
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1. it would cost more to do that and add the cpu/gpu of both systems.
2. UMDs should have died off before they started, They are only able to support 1.7gigs on UMD format a GOOD game needs more then just 1.7gigs Thus why GOD OF WAR "psp" was Good... But very Short.. And add to the cost of a UMD is more then the cost of a SD 8g
3. Again with UMDs the battery life is hit so bad that you only get 3-4 hours of game play if not less, And add to the loading times =)you maybe get 1-2 hours of real game play.
4. I would hope the price would not go over 300$ But then again it's all in what they put into it and How much things cost at the time etc etc, The PSP it's self right now should not be no more then 70-80$ But sony needs to make money off it, As they where losing money before when the PSP first came out.
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Then we wouldn't have had PSP.
The biggest memory stick available at launch in stores was 512 MB for $70.
There were launch titles larger than that! Are you saying people should have bought multiple sticks per game, then even more if they wanted more than 1 game? PSP would have died on the spot.
Devs would have crippled their games down to fit and every game would be worse off.
UMD will be in PSP2. And it will have more space
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False. Compare the battery life changes between the 1x and the 2x, and the 1x and the Go. The battery life improvements between 1x and 2x are far greater than that between the 1x and the Go. Meaning they improved battery life far more with UMD than they did by removing it.
Face facts, UMD didnt hit battery life that much
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1. even back then a SD card at 2gigs would have been about the same cost of a UMD back then, The cost of the Pro Duo Was high. Even So Sony could make their own Media format that would have cost no less then 5$ to make at about 2gigs size, today it can be even bigger and the same cost.
2. trying to compare the PSP Go's battery life to a PSP is like comparing a Iphone with a DS battery life, The PSP Go is a fail from the start with Lower batteries and having to be connected to Wifi 24/7 etc etc the Wifi is what killed the battery life on the PSP Go
3. easy way to Test battery life with and without UMDs "CFW".. when i can clock the CPU at 333mhz and play a game off the memory Stick 2x longer then off the UMD i say that's a good test.
I think you need to face more of the fact then i do
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I kinda understand where your coming from with that, memory has dropped a LOT since a few years ago.
But I'm assuming that since Sony manufactures their own memory sticks that they would have been able to fit two gigs of solid memory into a 50 dollar game price.
UMD's may have cost them a buck each to manufacture at most (probably much less than that) and Solid mem that they manufacture themselves might have cost a few bucks.
But it really would have been so much superior as a media platform for a little bit less profit.
Absolutely no media for go games is completely and utterly the wrong direction IMO.
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*looks at his PS3*
Oh yeah, that's why...
I'm not saying that it doesn't matter whether or not the price point doesn't matter, but let's not kid ourselves: what ruined the PSP Go wasn't just the high price; it was the higher price for an inferior system, it was a money grubbing ploy.
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of hand held gamming devices notice i said hand held gamming device the
ipod touch or ipad do not fall in this catagory as its primary reason for bieng was never meant to be gamming so i will say it again compete with nds the catagory it was meant to be in
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Pachter is the most correct he's ever been.
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the PSP on the other hand was specifically designed for playing video games and it does multimedia tasking quite well and it of course have a cutting edge gpu & cpu to meet the demand. the iPhone cannot fully match the technical specs that PSP has. the best game titles belong to the PSP game library.
nintendo's games are for kids, period!
oh btw, sony likes to always overprice their newly released game consoles and then it starts dowgrading them so that they can lower the price (price cutting). it has happened with the PS1, PS2, and most obviously with the removal of PS2 emulation and with linux on the PS3.
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1. Backwards compatibility with psp games.
2. Being able to play iso/cso from the memory stick.
3. Being able to play homebrew games
4. Being able to play ps2 games. (If they claim it's "f*cking powerful", then it should play ps2 games).
5. Multimedia support for different file extensions. (ogg, avi, flv, etc)
6. The ability to record video (if the do intend to attach a camera)
7. Any other functionality that would make it awesome and worth $250 to pay. I mean the ps3 is awesome and I only paid $300. Come on Sony for once do better than what you're doing!
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