I dont know the XBOX LIVE Service, so I have to go with what this Guy did say:



"We have game demos that can be downloaded, video downloads and game downloads. It's a broad cross section of consumer services."



So, lets see... Demos, PSN has them, Video Downloads, Yeah , PSN got them too, Game Trailer, Movie Trailers, Game Videos, etc.. Game downloads, PSN too... ok, so what Services is he talking about?

xbox live = 8 million after 5 years



PSN = 3 million after year



hmm..in five years time, PSN might be looking at 12-15 million members

Well, let's see. Live = $ PSN = FREE!!!



I'm sure that if Sony started charging all of us to play across the net then they could centralize and build servers to support all traffic, but they don't. For good and bad.



Downloading stuff off the PSN takes more time than we'd like, but it's a FREE service. That and it's getting a lot better since its launch. Firmware downloads only take me about 2 minutes on launch date now. I know most of us remember when it would take two hours.



To say that LIVE is "better" is an understatement. PSN might not move as fast as LIVE yet, and I stress YET. But I see it as much more advantageous than LIVE.



To start bashing on the PSN when it's only been around for a year is a little juvenile. Give it another 4 years and let's see if it passes where LIVE is at it's 5 year mark.

Are you serious? You are trying to surf with a Modem still?



Besides, your home connection doesn't account for much if the server you're trying to get to is limiting the bandwidth you can use.



Your home connection just provides you with how much you could pull, not how much you will pull.

I look at some of these articles bashing the PS3 vs the 360 is to funny. I own them both and im not bragging but when i see post about how much more the 360 offers its funny as hell. Graphically a few games are the same because its nothing more you can really do to improve over the other system with basic game. But like with that latest bashing of Assassins Creed looking better on the 360 vs PS3 is completely wrong!!! That screen for the PS3 is tampered with and they know it. As for this article the only reason the 360 is up right now is yeah they do have more titles which isnt nothing to get all snappy about and also more people have gotten use to M$ XBLive is because of the year delay. Also its people whom always been bias to M$ over Sony will always knock what Sony has done. I know they arent perfect but the good strides they have been making are great to me.

You have it backwards. PSN uses dedicated servers for games. XBL uses peer to peer (hosted by users systems).



To say Live is better is an overstatement. PSN is faster.



The only advantage Live has is in game messaging

What i think their point is because Sony hasnt released HOME yet they wont consider it a competitive service until then. What M$ need to do is relinquish their pricy strong hold on XBL and give some love back to their customers before making dumb comments like that. They nickel and dime the hell out of people and the supports of this crack me up because they enjoy throwing out $50 here $200 there and so forth. Sony has their priorities right in one segment of their business and its the PS dept in my book damn the other areas.

1. PS3 users comment on this article because it has also been posted on the PS3 website of QJ.



2. Not even touching this...



3. Have you ever touched the PSN ? "Tons of time to download stuff", right... Downloading 1.2 Gig's worth of Game Demo in 30 minutes is pretty fast in my book. [fanboy stupidness] We realise that it costs money to get the best stuff, thats why we bought the 400$-600$ console that comes with built-in wifi, blu-ray, controlers with built-in battery packs and motionsensing, easy-swap HD's and a nice black shiny finish (gotttttta loooveee the shiny black finish, booyah !) [/fanboy stupidness]



4. Nor this...



Well, flippity floppity floop negro *R+B-RAP hand signs and other stuff that is associated with the word 'nigz'*

Number 1: Right a readable comment that we can read. Your side made idiot fanboy comments that the Xbox 360 will dominate over PS3.



Number 2: Microsoft didn't come with a concept of service, it was when the first man dropped his lunch on his clothes and wife said "If you want I can clean that up for you."



Number 3: Online connectivity depends on you ISP provider. It takes only 5-10 minutes to download 2 gigs.



Number 4: Here is a list of games that will be on the PS3 but not on the Xbox 360.



Killzone 3, HAZE, SOCOM:Confronta tion, Time Crisis 4, Afrika, Final Fantasy XIII, DC Universe, Wipeout, White Knight , Warhawk, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, God Of War III, Gran Turismo 5, Heavenly Sword, Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier, Lair, Metal Gear Solid 4, Folklore, Motor Storm 1, Motor Storm 2, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction, Resistance Fall Of Man, Resistance Fall Of Man 2, and Tekken 6.

actually lives downloads are alot faster. i will download something on live at 1 gb in a couple of minute while on psn the same size file is 15-20 min. Still not bad and i believe psn is going to become alot better when home comes out and i am dying for it.

LOL you are such a MS fanboy. Microsofts business practices suck.( to put it nicely)



Take a look at their OSs, they release them to the public with what they consider to be "gold" or finished. Then for the next 6 months to a year, the users and developers have to battle it out with all the bugs MS didn't fix. And don't even get me started with Windows ME.



MS puts out at least 3 patches per week for Vista alone! I use MS products, but that doesn't mean I think it's the best out there. It simple suits my needs for what I do, programming.



Both Sony and MS have their share of issues, but at least none of my Sony products have died on me mid-use.



Oh yeah, take a look at Japan-the Technology Giant-and ask them who'd they buy from first.



So, logicbomb.de, go back to your Disney forums and post there or say something intelligent.

Can you download full movies and TV shows on PSN?

They're toys, people. they're not worth arguing about.

Your use of M$ clearly implies that you are biased towards Sony.

That is all I have to say.

Screw fanboyism.

I luv how many comments I got so quick

So, I am a racist?! Well that didn't ever occur to me seeing as how I am mixed and I am accustom to 2 races ahahaha



And just because I swore doesn't mean I didn't make a point, half of you lil sony babies couldn't even reply to my home comment because its damn true, and the ones that commented on my service comment are retarded especially the one that said that Microsoft didn't come out with the concept of service.... thats not even what I said, I said that they came out with the idea to have an online community and multi player gaming through their console through the internet.....duuu doooo duuuu....make sense now?! God u people need to read b4 u comment.



And I luv how ~~ said that the PS3 has all these extra things and thats why he bought it... wifi(Y the ***** do u need that?! Its slow as hell to game through wifi....unless your connecting ur gay ass terrible selling, umd failing psp's), blu-ray(C this is where microsoft was smart, they didn't put in a technology that the average gamer doesn't want, they gave us the choice....seeing as how most people don't buy a gaming console to play movies but the 360 can play dvds and if we have the need to watch hd-dvds then we can by the add on for really cheap! Us M$ fan boys have choices unlike u sony pussies), controlers with built-in battery packs and motionsensing(w ow built in battery packs, we get to change ours with anything we want, such as a pack that takes batters or a pack that can be recharged, so instead of waiting for our control to charge like an idiot we can just put in an already charged battery pack, and motion sensing?! R u serious, y do u need that, It hasn't even been used effectively yet for ur system because u have no games and if I am not mistaken because ur controllers have motion sensing tech. you guys didn't have rumble for how long?! C M$ cares about its customers, we don't have to pay for ish that we don't want or give a ***** about! , easy-swap HD's(if u haven't noticed our HD's r located on the top of the console and all we have to do is push a button and it pops right off, so u dont' win there) and a nice black shiny finish(Well congrats u got ur $600 pile in black, the only reason they made it black was to distract from how bulky and ugly the console is)



And I luv how the only really thing u sony fanboys can say is that the 360 has had overheating issues, its so funny, because if I'm not mistake microsoft is fixing the 360 for free and nearly free and there are alot of false reports of overheating just to gain publicity. If the ps3 had ne problems sony wouldn't even be able to afford to fix the problems 4 u guys so u guys could be dishing out tons of $ to fix ur half ass console.



And last but not least, THE PS3 HAS ZERO GOOD GAMES!!!!!!!!! The only game u do and ever will have is Resistance: Fall of Man. and -God- - the games u listed that "will be on the ps3 and not the 360" (keyword will) are not even that great, I can see how killzone will be good but everything is jus junk that i wouldn't want to play anyway. And stop talkin bout the future, we r talkin bout now and now the PS3 BLOWS!!!!!!!!!

After reading of all the above comments I come to the conclusion that I must be stupid to read such playground drivel.

Anyway, lets look at content and service.

Yes Sony offers much of the same or similar content that MS offer.

As for service which is paid for there are many aspects that are not at this time offered by anybody else in competition.

As a silver member I can do all of the things on xbox that others can do with PS.

As a gold member = one who pays for service i have access to many standard internet abilties as instant messaging the ability to talk online with over gamers or just friends, even whilst playing a game. I as an inexperienced player can thanks to the matchmaking play a fun game without getting continually wasted by the elite. Please note that in no way do I say that MS is better than Sony but many people have paid money for a service that is available and not for the content as content is available from both.

As for the rants that PS3 has no games this is quite simply a lie. To say that it may not have many games of merit would be a little more honest. The fact is that games for the PS3 will emerge and begin to emerge quite rapidly once developers are feeling more confident with the new architecture.

I use xbox as it has games that I like. However should the PS3 begin to have many games that I want but are unavailable for the xbox then I have a simple choice. I go without or I buy a PS3 which will sit next to my 360.

Personally the extremes that both user sides go to in baiting each other is detrimental to everybody. You xbots and PS3 fanboys actually hurt the console user base that you try to defend. The fanatics would gain more by expressing the virtues of their chosen console in the hope that others will show interest.

After all there is no need to restrict oneself to one or the other. We as consumers can buy both.

Hi Stealth, I spent rather a long time composing my rant and made a cup of coffee in between time. Your post was submitted before mine and does not remind me of playground drivel, Actually the first few comments in the list were rather sensible but as I read further and finally got to legendaryben I just could not contain myself. The guy needs a vacation or a lobotomy.

kindest regards and good gaming

technically the xbox guy is right, since services you must pay for... so he is right, he has no competition. but my question is howcome their online count is only 5million higher than the ps3? you would think it would be more since xbox360 is the so called "better system"





but hey let the xbl people say what they want... thats all they have is online play (for now)

Essentially as a user I look forward to the Sony offering a high level of competition to the MS service for mainly 2 reasons.

1, with an aggressive quality competition the xbox service has no choice but to implement changes for the better.

2, if Sony can offer a highly competitive service and keep it free of cost then may MS are forced to reconsider their pricing and maybe we xbox users will benefit by lower or free of cost.



Good competition is healthy for the end user which is us the gamers. The playstation 1 and 2 are proof of that. The Xbox exist purely because Sony developed and created a system for gaming that took the world by storm and the money to be made was a wake up call. This has in turn lead to todays 360 and PS3. That the 2 systems are totally different in Architecture is also good as this adds diversity and helps push development to new levels which we as gamers can enjoy.

With regards to comments made by respective representatives as to why their system is better will always be argumentative but when gamers get lost in stupidity and rant that the others system is crap helps no one. Its even more ridiculous when elitists of 360 or PS3 shout down the Wii and call it crap as the motion sensor technology is not something that MS or Sony will ignore. Today these elitist fans call it crap, what will they say when next year this technology might be implemented into the controllers of their xbox or PS?

It may never happen of course but i believe otherwise and then it will be a case of BS excuses to cover past comments in the sense that "Well, Nintendo didn't implement it properly"

As a final comment regardless of discussion over service or graphics etc. I like my 360 but Sony please continue to make your console as good as you can because by doing so you force MS to continually improve rather than stagnate.

Whether ii's Warhawk or Halo please enjoy.

I am not in a position to make a factual statement as I do not possess the figures or have access to relevant data.

However the xbox community is very quick to shout out disagreement or to complain if things are not as they expected.

As there is not an undue level of complaint from users about Xbox live then I can only assume that it is adequate. The number of subscribers to the service in relation to the number of consoles sold is very high which leaves the conclusion that people will and do pay for a service of quality.

That services from Sony are improving dramatically are apparent and this is an area where Live needs to pay attention and offer more quality or lower the price point. I do remember a few years ago that the Sony live system was in the words of my son BS. For dedicated servers to play online he had to pay. The conflicts when trying to get online were numerous. The cost in telephone bills to Sony and others for trying to resolve issues equaled the then membership cost of xbox live. This was 5 years ago and longer. Xbox live was introduced at a time when people did not believe that such a system was realistic. Time has proven that such a system or service is in fact desired by many gamers.

Today Sony has a large online content that is in many aspects similar to live and has therefore become a solid competition. As previously stated in another post I see this as welcome as it is good for gamers and pushes xbox live to improve and offer better service to its paying members.

What many people tend to ignore is that the ms service has a very unique future in that its integration with the PC software and its use of services as ms passport with instant messaging and hotmail offer an area that is as yet not fully exploited.

Technically it's far more advanced as I expect very soon to have services as an instant message warning or e-mail alerts which will enable me to pause the game and answer directly from my armchair. The messaging and e-mail functions are already

available in the dashboard. The only issue right now is that a manner to pause to the dash and then return to the game is not yet implemented in a manner that is convenient. Right now one needs to exit one to enter the other but this is something that I would bet money upon that the MS geeks are working hard upon.

Regardless of the sentiments of users from either camp the one point ignored by all is that today its a true "Bonanza" for gamers and the ability to play head to head online is an experience that is becoming more mainstream. Lets not forget that whilst arguing who has the best 6 or 7 years ago this was laughed at and only the elitist PC Gamers really had this ability.

And lets not forget that nothing truly stays free forever so Sony with all its good intentions will at some point alter its available content. Right now the "Pay as you Play" scenario is very real. I remember my son having buy access or pay per month for some games. Already it is now possible thnx to high speed internet connections for software companies to enable use of its software on a rental basis rather than the purchase of the complete program. This will happen with games and this is where both MS and Sony will earn money as they will have the backbone in place and receive royalties for hosting the games or offering access to the game through their respective services.

As for xbox sales falling this is unclear, the number of users will increase even if it is at a slower rate but the base will not decrease so a statement as the number of sales is falling is a very misleading comment. What is never discussed is the incredibly high number of gamers that feel that a console is not as flexible or graphically equal to their PC. Should this change then the demand for a dedicated game consoles will see a dramatic surge in sales. At this point the level of service for online capabilities becomes very important and then a real marketing battle for clients will emerge.

In this area I see MS as being stronger as it has a lot of experience and it's integration with the PC opera

Thats why the ps3 has a web browser.. (free downloads lol.) I dont really care about wasting memory by downloading a movie online, I'd rather just go out and buy a blu-ray.

In-game messaging isnt an online service, its more of a option (even though I still want it as bad as everyone else.) I think it'll come soon.

But like with that latest bashing of Assassins Creed looking better on the 360 vs PS3 is completely wrong!!! That screen for the PS3 is tampered with and they know it.

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Your actually right. Theres an option on the PS3 that most dumbasses with HDTV's never actually turn on.

You go to Display settings, then To RBG color. If you look its set to limited (YOUR SUPPOSED TO SET IT TO FULL IF YOU HAVE A HDTV.) Once you set it to full you'll notice everything gets darker and has more color.



So the reason why Assassin's Creed looked so faded and colorless is because obviously the person who took the video didnt turn on the option.

All the stuff that the PS3 is lacking right now (which is like 2 things lol) is coming. So I'd rather pay 0 cents a day and get the same 5hit plus more when home, plus the online TV stuff.

Guess you never really saw these "[fanboy stupidness][/fanboy stupidness]" tags in my post, eh ?



Too bad you didn't get the 'HD' comment I made.



Oh and lastly... You can charge your PS3 controlers through an USB cable ;) So there is no need to wait for it to charge, just plug in a USB cable into your PS3 and there you go. Ah well...