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Xbox director: Sony has a history of under-delivering on promises |
Listed in: PS3, Xbox 360 Tags: Aaron Greenberg, Major Nelson, podcast, Sony, Xbox Live Arcade
Aaron Greenberg, the director of product management for the Xbox 360 and Xbox Live, rocked the boat earlier this month when he lampooned Sony's line-up for 2008. In case you missed it, Greenberg basically stated that Sony is slow to deliver.Greenberg isn't through yet though. He had more to say on the matter in a recent Major Nelson podcast (the same one where he talked about what's in store for Xbox Live Arcade).
I was basically expressing my frustration at a lot of specific things that they had promised over time. I think Sony has had a history of over-promising and under-delivering.
[I was] just using actual facts of all the things that they had promised. [...] I think as an industry, we owe it to our customers to be straight with them. I think that some of the stuff weÂ’ve talked about, while the reaction may not always be positive, weÂ’re going to tell youÂ…
People just want you to be straight with them. We know titles slip, we know things happen, and thereÂ’s little we can do to control that, but if we promise something - I think as an industry - we need to start living up to our promises. As an organisation, i think Xbox has a pretty good track record of doing that.
Sony is no stranger to harsh words from Microsoft, if you remember Peter Dille's remarks on the PlayStation 3 last year. If they managed to maintain their silence on Dille's remarks, it won't be surprising if they don't respond to Greenberg either. We'll wait and see. For now, you can listen to more of what Greenberg has to say by following the link below.
Via Major Nelson
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GTA4 was set to be a good game the story is plainly crap
i know there will be fanboy comments after this about saying wiat till august when RFOM 2 comes out .....
basically the only game that will save the ps3 now is COD5 and thats if its exclusive which it isnt
i dont own a 360 or xbox by the way, everything i buy i try to buy from sony, purely because i think their hardware is good strong and long lasting unlike the xbox's which have a tendency to just blow up lol
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oh and another thing.. you said "save" like its dying wen it is only 100 and some odd units behing xbox 360 in the us only.. iwitch is ms biggest and only market..
.... btw metal gear 4 will end up killing all the other systems (cant include wii cuz they are some wut in partnership with sony)... sony has a bigger charicter line up this year then anyother system. xbox is the one that needs something to save it.
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Only nintendo won't care since they make too much money right now, but I hate them to NOT CUT the price of the wii, I mean, can't they do more units per month and drop the price at least 50$? That's not cool for the fans...
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Oh and if they want to be straight with their customers why don't they start being straight about their own products instead of other people's.
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The best though is producing a version of their system that doesn't have an HDD. WTF, what's the point of having a broadband system without at least that? Even the Wii lets you add storage options.
I purchased an Elite a couple of weeks ago and was surprised to see the lack of features that should be there. I have to use AA batteries instead of having a rechargeable battery pack. ( Unless I want to spend another 20-30 bucks) The power supply is literally a brick, 3"x3"x9" if not more! When I turn on my (Falcon MoBo) 360 Elite, I'm afraid it's going to take off and fly out the window it's so loud. (My PS3 doesn't make a sound in comparison.) Finally, they had the foresight to not include WiFi, the only Next-Gen system to do such. I don't know about you, but I did the math, and the 360 is almost $200 more than the 80 gig PS3 when you calculate in all the extra crap you have to buy!
So, when Greenberg starts ranting about Sony not delivering, he better make sure that M$ and their Green monster has at least meet par with what comes out of the box on all PS3s. Plus I don't have to worry about my PS3 killing over from overheating.
Now, if we take a look at MS's other letdowns
Win ME
Win Vista
the Zune, should I go on?
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Translating games takes time. Especially when your freakin redoing lip sync for another language. PS3 has the leading edge on gaming while creating new genres and working on making the old ones even better.
Xbox sucks in japan dude. Im sorry more ppl want to ride the final fantasy air ship or play the next best 'side scrolling action games' and JRpgs than go steal a car or decapitate someone in the latest gta clone.
Good things take time and I believe sony has biding their time more effectively than M$.
MS sounds like sega to me now a days. Like a little fish that needs to be thrown back into the pond.
What makes a good game these days is flashing lights and screaming words like BONUS at the end of short goals.
Long live japanese gaming genres, good night the next crap game that rockstar or ea brings out.
No collector alive wants to spend $60 on a game that is built with a half life of ONE YEAR tops. They hope their game will have and keep some of the value they spent on it yknow. (NFL200X, NHL200X, CARDRIVING OFFROAD, ONROAD and FORMULA will take a HARSH backseat to GranTurismo or most other J racers too.
They know how to make money without making decent games it seems. Enjoy the best PC has to offer 'better' on your Expensive ass 360. I hope you dont loose a cord too.
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Oops it already has...
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What in the hell does buggy MS software have to do with their console system? Is Vista buggy as hell? ABSOLUTLY!!! So again i ask, what does buggy PC operating systems have to do with the console war?
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Consoles are not effected by the change of the signals going digital.
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What exactly has MS promised that they have not delivered on? Everything they said they were gonna do, theyve done.
Sony on the other hand, uses Hype, and empty promises ALL the time. And i have All THREE PS systems.
Emotion Engine? 100% BC compatibility? I mean come on.
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I can't believe you people that use to love the xbox organal and then you buy a 360 then went to PS3 and then ***** at microsoft for no damn reason becasue newer consoles are better.
but remember the good memories that Microsoft did bring us?
Windows 98 ah the joy it was so cool back then and run smooth
Windows ME well yeah that suck but we move on did we?
Windows XP bad untill microsoft work all the bugs out and now everybody that uses 98 loves it now!
Windows Vista I dont have no problem with it, if you guys do have a problem. Buy one and dont download one and MAKE sure you update.
Microsoft has been in our home for years longer then Sony. bet yet you guys *****ing at Microsoft like their the worst company ever set on earth. Hell without them we would of been on DOS or Mac and chease or Linux. Their wouldn't be a internet like this today.
So if you don't like xboxs then get off windows and buy yourself a mac or get linux.
Both microsoft and sony are lugahing at you and kissing the money you burn for them.
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Proud owner of a Nintendo, Sega, Play Station 1 and 2, xbox 360 and in 3 years... PS3 low cost
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still pissed at sony about slim models
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Xbox 360 in general, not selling as well as MS and consumers thought it would, not the media center powerhouse MS said it would be
XBLA not nearly living up to the both the publics' and MS' expectations
XNA Game Studio not being anywhere near the product MS said it would be. There STILL are no signs of usermade titles releasing anytime soon
LIVE Anywhere, same as above, not the service MS said it would be
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Ok, take Halo 2 for PC, the BIGGEST disgrace to ports known to *****ING MAN.
Halo 2 on PC encourages EVERYONE to buy the PC-360 controller to play. If you want to use keyboard/mouse, it will STILL say things like "Press A to jump" even though Spacebar is to jump. You think you will play online for free on the PC version? LIEZ. You must SUBSCRIBE to play a PC FPS ONLINE. You have to make a separate Xbox Live account even if you already have one to play. The hell is that? To make it worse, they use matchmaking to put you in a server. That's the first PC game EVER that I have seen to use matchmaking. That's *****ing ridiculous.
The Slim PSP offered no advantage over the classic PSP. All it had were 32mb more of RAM, which was useless as this was only used for the UMD Data Cache function, and you could use Skype on the slim PSP. Neither of those are essential.
The Slim PS2's only advantages over the fatty PS2 were that it had the network adapter built in, was way smaller and used up less space, and was just awesome. I bought slim ps2 right when they came out. They weren't high as hell, and you can get one nowadays for just $129.99...
The slim PS2 didn't come out until 4 entire years after the original, and the slim PSP 3 years after it's original Japanese debut, so there's no way anyone got shafted. There was no self-destruct timer that prevented older systems from working when the slimmer systems were released.
Sony + Nintendo were in the console gaming market long before Microsoft was, and I'm sure not many people cared for crappy DOS games or anything back then.
Neither of them are laughing at me and they're not stealing my money. I love gaming, I love their products, so I'm happy.
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mainly because they know their console is stronger and dont need to defend it
Bill Gates said" If sony made a million bricks people would buy them" and then went on to pay 50,000,000 dollars dfor exclusive DLC for 360 as well as rumours that they made payments to a few reviewers about halo 3. Sony doesnt do stuff like this because they have a stronger consoloe and dont need to.
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if you are going to argue someything at least back it up
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should i get rid of my ps3 (with gta4) now and switch to xbox 360?
pathetic really!
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Thats right, go back to mac.
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For the record, the PS2 Slim was a piece of junk and there were (and still are, mind you) incompatible games on it. And before i get flagged as a XBOX fanboy, i have PSX, PS2, PS3, and PSP, (both fat and slim), and my 360 is sadly sitting in my closet because of a RROD...
anyways, look, Microsoft shouldn't be flaming anyone, considering their last generation of hard/software. It's been pathetic to say the least. and though Sony DOES take an eternity to do everything they do, most of the time, the final product is worth it (i said most ...lol) I sincerely hope Sony doesn,t respond to MS in retaliation, because i think that would make them just as pathetic as MS in this case. As they did last time, they should ignore the comment and go on with their work days. No one can criticize them for that. Microsoft is like the 2008 American Democratic running, trying to slander their opponent, so they can win.
I don't predict that working for them though, and in the long run, all they're really doing is injuring their own credibility, and hurting their image.
It's too bad they released their system with all of those flaws, the major ones being the RRoD, and the RBoD, because with all the money they lost on repairs, they could have released a later, better system, worth being proud of.
anyways... i should get back to work lol
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ex.)
1.) MS just acknowledges the RROD after 2 years when the 360 first came out.
2.) MS promises you that their HD DVD Player will win the format war and then it loses.
3.) MS promises you HD but doesn't give you an HDMI Cable until 2 console models later.
4.) MS promises to give you great games like Halo and yet they rush games.
5.) MS promises great online but now you have to pay /year and you need to get the Wi-Fi Connector for 0.
6.) MS promises you a great line up and only offers 3 games that are appealing but only advertises 1.
Gears 2 over hyped by media, GTA IV DLC content which we have no prior knowledge what it is or when it's going to come out.
I can go on all day.
I'll admit I'm still mad at Sony for not giving me a confirmed date when Home will release and not delivering on the XMB.
But I'll get over it it'll come out when it's ready.
Quality takes time to make which now I understand.
Home comes out in Autumn 2008 (Confirmed on Playstation Day).
XMB still not sure maybe It'll be released at E3 2008.
Sony (2 problems) compared to 10 problems (Microsoft).
I gave you my list of pros and cons.
Where's yours people?
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Anyway, people should stop bad mouthing a company that bides it's time, until it has a product worth distributing. Especially loud mouthed execs at Microsoft's XBOX district. SRSLY!
anyways back to work again!
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Resistance looks *****ty, I hated the first game, but hey, I'm not a big FPS fan. Oh and I hate both Sony and Microsoft equally, but I'll more than likely go out and buy a 360 for Mass Effect! looks a good game :)
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Anyways, id basically say to this guy... Sony makes promises yes, they break them, yes. Whats the variation? look at how much Sony has added to the PS3 since its launch. Look at how much MS has added to the 360 compared to that. Sony promised a ton, gaves us less then that. MS promised basically not much, and gave not much. This is only speculation and my personal opinion. Not intended to imply anyone elses views. Sorry if I offend anyone or sound like a fanboy, I love both consoles.
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LOL!!!
ever heard of VGA?
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lets see now...
1 + 2 totally agree
3 - use VGA - most HD sets have it
5 - you get what you pay for
The rest of your points are basically the same thing reworded, BUT
points 1 and 2 are HUGE and perfectly valid argument against 360 - although I wonder where you got 10 problems for MS
j/k
great post by the way, dfresh!
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