Xbox 360 vs PS3 - The Price So Far

Posted Sep 12, 2006 at 7:29PM by QJ Staff Listed in: PS3, Xbox 360 Tags: Microsoft, Sony
Ó


SidebySide


Here's what kotaku has so far on the price of the PS3 and the Xbox. We're putting them here side by side for easy comparison.

PS3
Playstation 3 standard: $599
PS3 Network Platform: Free
Wireless Networking Adapter: Built-in
Blu-ray player: Built-in
Second Wireless Controller: $49.99*
USB charge cables: FreeTotal: $648.99

Xbox 360
Xbox 360 Standard: $399.99
Gold Xbox Live Subscription: At least $49.99
Wireless Networking Adapter: $99.99
Second Wireless Controller: $49.99
Two Play and Charge Kits: $19.99 times two.
HD-DVD: $199*
Total: $839.94










The asterisk on the second wireless controller for the PS3 is there because kotaku just assumed that Sony will be pricing competitively against Microsoft when it comes to their peripherals. For the Xbox, if you don't count the much needed HD-DVD player, it'll only be around $8 more expensive than the PS3. Counting it though you can see the difference, $839.84 vs. $648.99. The PS3's package gonna be around $200 cheaper.

Some would say that the $50 assumption on the second wireless controller for the PS3 is a bad call, but if you think about how cut-throat the console war is right now, it's a good price to start.

With the HD-DVD, it seems that Xbox will win that price contest by 200 bucks. You could save on some money by not getting the Wireless Networking Adapter, and the subscription to Xbox Live. That will take a lot out of the Xbox experience though. If you're the type that likes to mold in your basement with your game, alone, unconnected, and satisfied with the glow of your TV, then more money saved for you.

What's good for those not eager to make the jump is that prices for the previous gen will probably drop.

Kotaku notes that this tally was made with intelligent guesses so conclude with caution. And we've yet to count in the HD-TV and the price for the games available.  We think it's going to come down to the pricing of the individual games and how well run their online services are. Since both are pretty competitive with what they're offering, and how they're pricing, it's the games available for each system that's going to win the "value war".

Since this is a very touchy topic to end with just our opinion, start firing on the comments page people. You're very welcome.

Via kotaku

 
 
 

Comments 


 
# no...Guest 2006-09-12 14:45
How about:



PS3 = $599.99

Wii & Xbox 360 = $599.99



ps3 is a failure.

Reply
 

 
# ps3 rulesGuest 2006-09-12 14:46
cool i honestly never thought that the 360 would be more expensive

Reply
 

 
# sasGuest 2006-09-12 14:46
what doesnt make sence is the 360 has a second controller, and play n charge kit, and add more for the ps3 for the price of games. and if you want to make it more fair add the price it cost for HDMI cable that sony wants you to have.

Reply
 

 
# lolGuest 2006-09-12 14:49
Why do people have to posts junk like this.... lies and deception don't belong on this site they belong somewhere a lot hotter.

Reply
 

 
# ha ha ha yes +Guest 2006-09-12 14:49
yes ps3 wins this round for better pricing. xbox makes you pay more for junk from the past. ps3 is the future gaming machine from japan. devil may cry looks good to bite on. who cares about the hd drive for x boxo its waste of money and space

Reply
 

 
# xsGuest 2006-09-12 14:53
OFFICIALLY THE MOST INACURATE POST QJ HAS POSTED, this is fanboy post, none of it makes sence even if i do like ps3

Reply
 

 
# SO TRUE!Guest 2006-09-12 14:59
THATS THE REASON IAM BUYING A PS3

Reply
 

 
# WTFGuest 2006-09-12 14:59
The much needed hd-dvd? wireless network adapter? Not everybody needs that crap.

Reply
 

 
# Guest 2006-09-12 15:00
360 comes with free head set amongs other things.

Reply
 

 
# questioneslim21 2006-09-12 15:01
How are the batteries charged for the PS 3 contoller? i mean it is wireless too.

Also what if you don't want hd-dvd since the reason i don't want a PS 3 right now because of blu-ray.

The 360 has a quick charge kit for $30 that allows you to have two battery packs no need for play and charge kits.

Also I only play online my friends have a 360 so all i need is one controller

Also I will never go wireless so no need for its adapter.

Reply
 

 
# PS3 Fan BoysGuest 2006-09-12 15:06
Qj.net admins are PS3 fanboys (They need to stop posting biased information)



1)They didnt say that PS3 does not come with HD cords witch rang fom 30-150$.



2)Why would you need a play and charge kit?



3)HD-DVD and Blue-Ray are both crap....the first mastake people make is that you plug in PS3/Xbox 360 HD-DVD player and bam! your DVDs look great. WRONG! you need Blue-Ray movies/HD-DVDs or they look the same.



4) We dont Know the price of PS3 Games? Most likely 70$ because Blue-Rays movies cost 40$ and HD DVDs cost 25$.

Reply
 

 
# maths doesn't liecomedy 2006-09-12 15:07
look, you can disagree with the numbers they have used, but you can't disagree with the totals they have reached... if you don't like that there's a 2nd controller, or 'charge n play' packs then take them away, but don't forget that the ps3 controllers will be able to play and charge at the same time *ie charge n play built in*



basically a lot of people have been saying this all along, the one issue i have is that you can chose not to pay that massive amount all at once, so with 360 you can start off with less and build it up with time (preferrable for all those who don't get all their money at once - kids and adults alike)... so the better value is with ps3 but you have to consider that it's a lot of money in one big go, not over a prolonged period.





but ps3 is better, it has better games on its list and will have linux and xfire, it will play all my ps2 and ps1 games (that's over 100) it will link up to my psp and will gladly join my wireless network. it will support keyboard and mouse, it may even support homebrew to some extent. it will have a bluray player, so i won't have to deal with that in 2 years time.

it will cost a fortune, and will only be out in the uk in march next year, but i am going to get one.



- i implicitly trust sony and playstation, i don't like microsoft or xbox/360 so you can see where i fit in this battle -

Reply
 

 
# PS3Guest 2006-09-12 15:08
PS3 Rules o/

Reply
 

 
# wtf!?!?!?!Guest 2006-09-12 15:10
Don't post crap like this please. I bought my 360 with an extra wireless controler and didn't need any of the play and charge kids. I use a cable to connect my 360 to xbox live and why would i waste my money on the hd-dvd drive? Most people with 360 don't have half the ***** they are trying to say is a must for the console and ps3 fan boys are just adding every single 360 accessory to justify their reason for getting a ps3.

Reply
 

 
# Ohhh... really?Guest 2006-09-12 15:12
I'm not so sure PS3 online is "free". Not untill the system is launched anyway. If it is, that is great, just watch out for the 4@X0rZ... (noone is getting payed to watch servers)



Bluetooth is expensive so $49.99 for a controller with built in battery (what if the battery leaks??) you are talkin' maybe $59.99-$69.99 each.



I see they didn't mention PS3 games are all $69.99 or more for collectors versions.



Not everyone needs wi-fi and cat 5 cables are more dependable for online play anyway.



HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are an unnessessary medium and M$ only chose HD-DVD because its the "other" side (and it is the side that has better reviews than Blu-Ray anyway). If you want to get into it, movies will eventually be like the music industry is becoming. Downloads, not discs.



I also see that they didn't mention the HD only connections on the PS3. You dont have an HDTV then you cannot play PS3. And we all know HDTV's are -real- cheap, right??



All in all people will make their choice and buy whatever system they wanted to buy in the first place. The thing I am noticing is that 360 is in the same position now, that Sony was in the last generation. XBOX was a far better system (and cheaper if you add up multiplayer adaptors, online adaptors and hard drives you had to buy seperate to equal the XBOX) but PS2 had the year lead. Looks like Sony may have waited a year too long this round.



History -is- repeating, just with a changing of the guards.



-V

Reply
 

 
# god this is annoyingcomedy 2006-09-12 15:14
look, all you irate 360 fans:



the two are only comparable when you make the 360 bundle match up with the ps3 set.. of course ps3 core costs more than 360 core - it has more stuff inside! so a more fair comparison is in fact to take the 360 core and add whatever tech bits it lacks wrt the ps3 core... then do the calculations. AND THAT's WHAT THEY DID HERE



yes, you may not want wireless or hd-dvd or wireless controllers or online... but you get them AS STANDARD with ps3. you may compare an inferior product with a lower price tag to ps3 but what the hell's the point in that!? compare equivalent offerings from 360 and ps3 and the prices show ps3 is better value. don't you understand!?

Reply
 

 
# Guest 2006-09-12 15:16
can't you get an updated picture with the new ps3 controller.. not that is matters.. ps3 is lamo anyways

Reply
 

 
# You ppl who say its biasedGuest 2006-09-12 15:19
you guys are retarded for not knowing kotaku, one of the famous gaming/anime information source on teh internet. This is why i also selected the ps3, less addons. xbox 360 too much addons for a high price. plus i get higher performance too, i dont care what u say. and

@#1

Xbox 360 and the Wii is 699.99$, the Wii is like 250-300$

the standard 360 is a 400 unless u are poor and want the core.plus the ps3's stocks arent coming anytime soon so by then i would be waiting patiently and even when its out. i wont buy it until its like a year or so, wait until all the console errors gets sorted out and maybe even overheat problems *cough* xbox 360*cough* and maybe even a price drop

Reply
 

 
# alsocomedy 2006-09-12 15:22
ps3 will be able to produce PAL resolutions for the 95% of the world who don't have hdtvs, and through regular cables... it's not how comment 15 said, you don't NEED an hdtv to play ps3.



yeah, digital distribution is the way to go but games and movies will take up more space in the hd era and there will always be a place for physical media. bluray is futureproof, in fact right now it's almost pointless, but as time passes it will be essential - and 360 will still be constrained to dvd9's.



oh yeah, the power unit is internal on ps3 and it's quiet...



as for the price of games, right now it's speculation - i would assume as bluraydisc is a new medium they will be costly... 60 or 70 dollars... but there you go, i guess 360 wins that round.

Reply
 

 
# do research before postingGuest 2006-09-12 15:24
Just a quick comment. The ps3 is not limited to hdtv displays. It has an HDMI port for those that can afford it, as well as normal tv connections. Just like the xbox 360 can play HDTV and standard Tv.

Reply
 

 
# you all do this all the timeGuest 2006-09-12 15:26
there making a comparison with each other based on what the ps3 has. it wouldn't make since to compare the systems if they have different parts. they simple are saying if you want an xbox with the qualities of the ps3 this is what you need. stop taking s*&t out of content.

Reply
 

 
# omgGuest 2006-09-12 15:30
how about you stop adding unneccessary sh1t that you don't need to purchase, such as the wireless adapter for the 360 - who f*cking needs that?

Reply
 

 
# How aboutGuest 2006-09-12 15:31
You forgot the 4 years of Live for $200, as well.

Reply
 

 
# Core PS3 Doesn't Support HDMIGuest 2006-09-12 15:34
If you get the core or basic PS3 you don't get HDMI capabilities and you can't later upgrade to get them either.



Sony may have said their online service is free but you may find that each game will require a fee that you pay to whoever made the game like Final Fantasy 12 or whatever. So it may not be "free" as we all know.

Reply
 

 
# i need a wireless adaptor!!comedy 2006-09-12 15:34
i live 4 storeys above my broadband connection, there is no way in hell anyone's going to let me run a 20 metre rj45 through the house!



so you'd rather this comparison :



worse but cheaper vs better but more expensive



what the hell kind of comparison is that?!?

Reply
 

 
# @15Chavagnatze 2006-09-12 15:35
The controller batteries will be solid state and PS3 can be used with a SDTV via the same types of connections that PS2 uses. (A/V Multi out jack). Go get some current FACTS before you post!

Reply
 

 
# Sigh...Guest 2006-09-12 15:37
This price comparison is just for a system that plays games online and offline, with an extra controller for some offline multiplayer.



PS3 20Gb - $499 Xbox360 Premium - $399

PnP - Free XBL - $50/year $250 assuming 5yrs

Headset - $30 Headset - included

Controller - $50 Controller - $50

Charge cable - Free Play and Charge - $20



PS3 = $579 Xbox360 equivalent = $719



Before you say "But you can't compare the 20Gb PS3 to the Premium 360!", yes you can. There is not a single thing in the Premium 360 that the 20Gb PS3 doesn't have, except the headset, and I factored that in. Please, if the 20Gb PS3 is in any way inferior to the Premium 360, point it out to me.



Also, PS3 games will not be a single cent more expensive than Xbox360 games. While blu-ray disks are more expensive to make than dvd's, once they get into mass production costs will go way down. In the mean time Sony will pay for the difference in disk cost out of thier royalties so that publishers keep PS3 games competitively priced with Xbox360 games, at $60 a pop.

Reply
 

 
# balhGuest 2006-09-12 15:40
First off you only need one play and charge kit and the extra controller amd the xbox live so with that said its about 520 plus tax the wirless adaptor is a good thing to have but not needed and the hd dvd is less needed then the wireless adaptor only people who want a cheap hd-dvd player for there hd-tvs will need this if not there is no reason to buy it.

Reply
 

 
# this article raises a point though...comedy 2006-09-12 15:40
why, in this whole anti-ps3 media storm which has raged for the last year, has no one bothered to address this issue properly?



i mean, everyone has been complaining about ps3's price, but no one (in the media) really put it in a proper context... it seems like they've been reluctant or afraid to stand against the mass-ps3-hating crowd.



as sony say, ps3 is more like a high power pc without the restrictions of windows and without the freedom to alter the internal gubbins (though that means devs can make games well rather than all buggy - due to hardware specs).

Reply
 

 
# stop. shut up. listenGuest 2006-09-12 15:48
First off, I hate fanboy wars. I own a 360, Im not against PS3, though I will not be buying one... Be honest with your selves, is this really a fair comparison? We have a bunch of you kids running around thinking the PS3 is going to be this machine from the future that will some how warp you through time and make you breakfast in the morning. When really its probably one steap ahead in technology, but a step behind the 360 in time, consider its been in development longer both these factors come into play. Still you morons rant around like you can actually prove something when the PS3 STILL HASNT SHOWED MUCH. I can't help but feel that pissed off feeling that just makes me want to slap you across the face and throw you down a 13 step staircase. Furthermore, the comparison, a fair comparison with all these cost would be, which console can buy for less and just play some damn games? Yeah sure maybe the 360 wont have everything the ps3 does, but NOT everyone needs those addons. You see now with the 360, you have options, you can choose what you want, yes in the end it might cost more, but say you buying an HD DVD player, you wouldn't buy somehthing like that unless you had an HDTV anyways, meaning your not poor, its not going to hurt you that much. So lets consider this, what console can you purchase, for less, and play games immediately, without having to spend your life savings on? Xbox 360.



Thank you very much, you may all shut the F-BOMB up.

Reply
 

 
# which console...comedy 2006-09-12 15:56
there is that, but then, which console would you buy when it comes to coolness?



there's the cheapo 'i haven't got the cash' console which you have to attach a bunch of wired things to which can only do one thing and you can only play lame out-dated games on and can't play hd movies on (now that you have a pimped up bachelor pad and have the hdtv and otherwise nice cool stuff)

or the more expensive but much cooler, higher kudos, more functional, tidier, better looking, quieter, friendlier and more well known one... you can have people round and actually not be ashamed of your choice if you have a ps3, if you have a 360 you have to pay for xbl gold due to the fact that the only multiplayer you'll be doing is over the internet.





seriously though, how many people play wearing headsets? i can't think of anything sadder than that... i'm not taking a side in this respect, there are headsets for ps2 and pc etc, i just don't believe anyone is sad enough to do it.

Reply
 

 
# you forgotSoulReaver 2006-09-12 15:59
to add the blu-ray player add on for the xbox muahhahahaha.....*****suckers

Reply
 

 
# what?Guest 2006-09-12 16:02
yeah wearing a headset doesnt exactly make you look cool, but how else will you communicate?

Reply
 

 
# Its about choiceGuest 2006-09-12 16:03
Why have all that extra stuff that I dont need I would have prefer on the ps3 better software to make games then wifi not everyone connects to the net that way

Reply
 

 
# Guest 2006-09-12 16:04
you talk about not knowing much about the ps3. you dont know much either like you all said sony will fail, the ps3 will burn, well as right now thats only on paper so untl it comes out and a year after launch its not doin' well then you can come back and tell us you were all right. but now and a year later i guess your not to excited about your system cuz you and others are alwayz on ps3 boards. and i'm not talking about the comments thats posted on both systems

Reply
 

 
# This is a let down.Masenko 2006-09-12 16:08
You know, I understand that some of the staff at QJ scramble for an article, but articles like this just cause flame wars, and the same fanboys keep coming back. It's happening too often these days...come on guys.

Reply
 

 
# headsets:comedy 2006-09-12 16:11
i guess if you really WANT to communicate then the options are either something like eyetoy, a keyboard, or a headset...



personally i would forego communication in order to retain my dignity... also, the only noise i ever hear from people using those headsets is rude language and insults, i'm not too receptive to those things.





there has to be a better way, headsets are dire. i don't think people should be allowed voice communication over games, it's very very annoying (i've played counterstrike for years now, and those people who make noises are such a pack of losers!!)

Reply
 

 
# Oh please...biased much?Guest 2006-09-12 16:14
No one wants a to own a HD dvd player! Blu-ray is not need...so minus 200 on the 360 and plus 50 on the PS3 for HD cables that don't come wuth the system!!

Reply
 

 
# ummGuest 2006-09-12 16:14
@dowju You really think sony is going to pay to keep ps3 games 60dollars? Sony will already be losing considerable amount of money to get the system out, i wouldnt be surprised if they gouge the game prices to help even that out.

@comedy The proper context is that no matter which way you turn it a base ps3 costs more then a base 360, same goes for premium. You cant possibly think the ps3 will be anymore pc-like then a 360. Theres no reason to blend the two togther both companies would take a loss if they did that, they want you to need both a pc and your respective game console.

Reply
 

 
# flame wars and fanboyscomedy 2006-09-12 16:16
by now you may or may not have noticed that i've posted quite a lot...



i think that a flame war or simply a straightforward argument is quite therapeutic.



every now and then it's a good idea to stir things up a bit, keep things lively and see how opinion appears to be split... it also gives you a chance to take a side and to see who else is on your 'team'.

let the argument continue... without me (it's late so i'm going to sleep.)

Reply
 

 
# #27 on point ,compare premium and 499 skuGuest 2006-09-12 16:22
you said it all. i have a 360 and it does cost alot over time.

however no one compares the 499 ps3 sku to the premium 360, they should.



i want a ps3 and i have a feeling i will be paying less over time, with the price of live and all. i have a friend who payes for three accounts a year, his own and his brothers and sister that adds up.



i think peoples inability to look down the road always bites em in the ass it like put thing things on layaway, of write checks without cash in the bank. you pay more in the end



i will only be buy the AAA title for both systems so i am not worried about this gen.

Reply
 

 
# #27 on point ,compare premium and 499 skuGuest 2006-09-12 16:31
you said it all. i have a 360 and it does cost alot over time.

however no one compares the 499 ps3 sku to the premium 360, they should.



i want a ps3 and i have a feeling i will be paying less over time, with the price of live and all. i have a friend who payes for three accounts a year, his own and his brothers and sister that adds up.



i think peoples inability to look down the road always bites em in the ass it like put things on layaway, or writing checks without cash in the bank. you pay more in the end



i will only be buying the tripple "A" titles for both systems so i am not worried about this gen.



just think the price of the system was annouced in may and hinted a year before so whats big deal about price.

Reply
 

 
# WHAT EVA WHAT EVAGuest 2006-09-12 16:31
Do you really need all that stuff for the 360



ok the xbox 360 and stuff does not cost $840



this is what it usually costs



Xbox 360: $399.99

Gold Xbox Live Subscription: At least $49.99

Charge Kit: $19.99

A Good Game:$60

Friends to Play with:*Priceless *



Total: $530

Reply
 

 
# ps360Guest 2006-09-12 16:50
You guys are really loyal to your respective consoles. Both consoles are expensive, but it doesnt matter, you buy the one you can afford and the one that has the games you like. It doesnt matter. i bought the 360 cause i like their games and online service. Im sure sony fans are going to like their new console and their games no matter what they pay like 360 fans did last year.

Reply
 

 
# ...Guest 2006-09-12 17:18
First of all, these are all options. As someone who isn't interested in HD movies, charge cables of wifi, the X360 is significantly cheaper.



Second of all, I think $50 for Xbox Live is worth it for a great unified service. Sony are not using a unified service, it has just been anounced that Untold Legends will be using XFire while it will be up to the other developers to chose how they will attempt online for their games. This does not bode well for Sony, they are aiming at the hardcore gamer market, but hardcore gamers would greatly prefer one excellent online service over many free clumsily organised messes of networks.

Reply
 

 
# comedy, your a dumbassGuest 2006-09-12 21:12
good luck buying a new ps3 controller ever 4 to 6 months, and quiet, hahaha. you'll see what i mean. oh, and the online service is not free, only the basic service is free.

Reply
 

 
# worth the dimeGuest 2006-09-13 03:36
the ps3 is worth every dime in that 600$. you can simply do more on it and it will come with more. with the ps3 you get a bigger harddrive, wifi, and bluray player all in one. the xbox gives you a choice but to make it as good as ps3 you would have to spend more. the xbox is mainly just for games and some online play. the ps3 is a huge entertainment system. its almost like taking public transportation. you can buy a pack of tokens to just get you to school or work and back. you have the choise to buy more tokens to go to the party or to your girls house. or you buy a transpass witch might cost more but you dont have to just go to work and back. you can go were ever you want till your transpass expires. you might as well, youve paid your money. so the xbox is the token and the ps3 is the pass. or you can stop waisting your money on games and save to get a car.

Reply
 

 
# ...and what about wii?Guest 2006-09-13 05:07
...i think that it could be good thing to add Nintendo Wii to this survey...;-)

Reply
 

 
# wii???Guest 2006-09-13 05:57
I guess the wii would be having somebody pick you up

Reply
 

 
# Guest 2006-09-13 08:12
99$ for a wifi adapter, thats a rip off! i can buy a router and 2 adapters 4 that much!

Reply
 

 
# mmmGuest 2006-09-13 08:36
umm....



ps3 online = SUCKS



i'd rather pay 50 bux a year and actualy have FUN playing online.



and how do u know the prices for the wireless ps3 controller and the hddvd player? thats RUMORED information stupid ass



and who said the charge cables are free for ps3???



ASSUMPTIONS AND ASSUMPTIONS



exactly, now be quiet...if ur really worrying about price of next gen consoles and games, u probaly dont have a 1080p hdtv with hdmi....ps3 and 360 will be sitting next to each other in my house, people only take sides because they dont have money for 2 consoles...

Reply
 

 
# Guest 2006-09-13 12:03
You 360 fan boys are funny. The article is to show the price of a 360 similarly equipped as PS3. It's amazing how many of you are in denial. Even if you configure the 30 the way it is in the article, your still short a lot of HDD space. For the money, you get a lot with PS3, whether you like it or not. As for the HDMI cable, a quality cable can be had for $6 on monoprice.com

Reply
 

 
# main pointGuest 2006-09-13 13:12
xbox 360 is out ps3 is not

Reply
 

 
# lolzGuest 2006-09-13 14:39
Whoever posted thios went out of there way to find the most exspensive add ons for the 360. Take away the unnessary HD DVD drive (do you need it to play games? no?) and the 100$ wireless adapter (WTF are you importing that?? You can get a quality one for 50$ max) and the 360 is cheaper.



BTW I love how #27 decided to pick 5 years so it would make it more expensive than 360.

Reply
 

 
# What?Guest 2006-09-30 12:26
How can any of you agree with this? Even if your a fan of ps3 how can you agree with this post this is the most rediculous things i have read on the comparison. I am posting as nuetral im more of a computer gamer. Between the two systems the ps3 will take more out of your wallet unless you want to add in for the years of xbox live which after seeing it for myself is really worth it. PS3 has already admitted that a lot of there previews were fake and have had problems with fulfilling there promises in the past. For games.. Well Xbox does have Halo and Gears of War, 2 xbox exclusive titles. PS3 has lost one of the franchise titles, the GTA series and Assassins creed was alsopicked up by Xbox. From a nuetral standpoint the Xbox would be my pick because the ps3 hasnt shown me anything that convinces me to pay that much. Xbox has a promising future and its to early to make the final call but as of right now I would suggest the Xbox 360 as the better system.

Reply
 

 
# ps3Guest 2006-10-14 08:12
ps3 is 6oo dollas and games are going to be about 70-80$

Reply
 

Add comment

Security code
Refresh

Add QJ.NET
Add to My Yahoo!
Google Reader Subscribe with Bloglines
Add  to your Kinja digest Subscribe in NewsGator Online
Subscribe with Pluck RSS reader Add 'www.qj.net' to Newsburst from CNET News.com
Subscribe with SearchFox RSS del.icio.us www.qj.net
Add to Technorati Favorite! Add to My AOL
furl! it Stumble for Treehugger!