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It was just a while ago when we all agreed that Microsoft will definitely issue statements regarding its rival companies. And now here goes the mighty corporation again. This time, it's Xbox Live Director of Technical Strategy Andre Vrignaud's turn to comment on the apparent problems the PS3 is having with certain HDTV units."It appears there's no internal hardware scaler in the PS3. As reported, it appears the PS3 is unable to output a consistent signal to your TV based upon your desired selection," wrote Vrignaud in his Ozymandias blog. The official even claimed that he wanted to play Resistance in 1080i (He has a PS3?).
Unfortunately, the console drops down to a lower-common denominator of 480p, in case the game doesn't support it. Vrignaud continued that he was prompted to quit, go to the dashboard, change the PS3's resolution to 720p and then relaunch the game.
Also, according to Vrignaud, older HDTV doesn't support 720p, just 480i/480p and 1080i. So owners of the said units are forced to play in 480i/p because they are unable to scale the output to 1080i. "This smells of the console being rushed to market, and I'm not holding out any hopes for any significant fix. It's bad, and feels like something Sony would have fixed if possible," said Vrignaud.
Via GameDaily
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Would Microsoft give it a break already? Dissing their opponents all of the time only proves they're afraid of the competition. Well, that's how the Market works, of course you'll be dissing your most powerful rival - Well, it doesn't make me want to help them win the Console War.
Songs working hard to get owned in this fight, this shows the ps3 is a rushed console, even with all the time its had. 360 was also rushed, but they had an excuse(released a year ago!) and they have fixed all their problems by the start of 2006, hopefullly sony can follow suit.
I told you, there is no such thing as a perfect launch, they're gonna ***** up someway or another. Nintendo is the only perfectionist, unfortunately they're working with dated technology so it doesnt even matter.
I was playing marvel alliance for both the xbox 360 and PS3..
for some odd reason... my PS3 wouldnt look right even after i made all the right selections....
My ps3 just wouldnt get to the same resolution my 360 would for the game.. and it ended up making the 360 look like it had better graphics...
hopefully this is just a bug that can be fixed..
and the bugs will clear up!
and the browser will browse too lol
at least M$ cannot argue about the browser, they simply dont even have one
this is a very childish atempt at "my consoles btter than yours na na na na na". Grow up. I have a very nice Westinghouse 37 inch 1080p monitor. And when I change my 360's resolution to 1080p through the dashboard settings guess what I get, A NICE BLACK SCREEN!!! so stop trying to diss sony and fix your own problems. Sony's system supports 1080p out the box through component, VGA or HDMI. Microsoft is only through VGA. Not everyone has VGA inputs on their tv (I do but i use it for my pc). And unfortunately the ps3 does not do scaling, but if your tv does not do 720p then it might be time for an upgrade anyway. And I would honestly recommend people look into the westing house W3 model monitor. IT HAS GOTTEN PERFECT REVIEWS FROM EVERYWHERE, check out newegg.com or amazon.com and it is under $1200. Best kept secret in electronics. I bought it the same day I got my ps3. Thanl me later.
TheSh0wstopper
The PS3 does not support VGA, the Xbox supports 1080P through VGA and Component.
Why is Microsoft *****ing about this when they can't even get simple VGA signals right for the 360?
Its a console so it doesnt need a browser. Dude, if I wanted to search the net I would use a PC with a kb and mouse, not my PS3 with a controller. And the PS3 browser isnt much to be bragging about man, its not that great.
I kinda regret buying a PS3 since my TV will not go to 720p and the PS3 doesnt support 1080i. I have a 360 as well and right now its looking a whole lot better than my PS3. I dunno if I wanna sell it on eBay or not yet, but since Im having so many problems with it (choppy start up, controllers motion gets stuck sometimes when im playing, the whole 1080i problem, etc etc). I can definately tell you it wasnt worth the 600 bucks, and ever since I spent the money on it I cant help but feel ripped off. :(
There is a VGA cable for PlayStations that was released by Sony and It can be used with the PS3.
http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2002/03/21/linuxps2.html\
It is easily available with the PS2 linux kit.
News flash: YOU CAN USE A KEYBOARD AND A MOUSE with the Playstation 3. Do you really have a PS3?
hey dude,
i dont know if you do your homework or not but the 360 does not support 1080p through componet. ONLY VGA. this is common knowledge. I have a 1080p television. And yes the ps3 does have a vga adapter. And it gives "TRUE" 1080p through HDMI, VGA and component.my 360 only gives 1080p through vga i already ran the tests. and onmy tv if you hit the info button it tells you what resolution it is running in. for the ps3 the dashboard and a few launch games are in 1080p (NBA 07, marvel, i think ridge racer and another i cant remember the name of). All blu ray movies also run in 1080p (i have 14 of them) for the 360 no games only hd-dvd's run in 1080 p. and i also want you to realize that the signal first runs through usb, then to the system and the "VGA" cable (since it is the only way to get 1080p). hmmm i wonder if that signal loses a little something due to the traveling....
TheSh0wstopper
Yes, in fact, I do (for now). But I dont see how I can plug my LAPTOP up to my PS3 to take advantage of its kb/m functions now do you? Reguardless, its still much easier to use a PC to browse than it is a browser on a console...
Hey, did you know that another console had the ability to use a browser before Sony's PS3? I think it was called the Dreamcast...
Coincidence? I think not. Ive decided to auction off my PS3, this thing is junk.
M$ sux, $ony sux. U ALL SUX FANBOYS
You wouldn't be mad you paid $200 more for a console that does less? Oh wait you can play a blu ray movie; all 10 of them. At least Microsoft tells the truth, or points out something actually significant.
*cough* 720p and 4xAA (which comes completely free) in every game? */cough*
I HATE how the ps3 switches video signals every time you play a game. I have a 720p TV and even I am having problems. When I try to play the resistance Demo the screen goes black and all I hear is audio. Same for the Cash Money download game... just goes black and all I hear is audio.
RR7 works fine as does the rest of the demos, but I HATE how the stupid hunk of junk video switches. JUST STICK IN THE MODE YOU SET IN THE SETTINGS YOU MORONS! pleeeeeeaaze kill the stupid video switch at every game.. Are you freeking kidding me.. what a mess.
HOLD THE PRESS!!!!
THIS JUST IN!!!
AS OF TODAY SONY HAS RELEASED A FIRMWARE UPDATE FOR THE PLAYSTATION 3 THAT NOW ALLOWS UPSCALLING AND SPEEDS UP THE BROWSER!!!
In light of this new discovery this whole thread is now obsolete. I wonder what microsoft will try to come up with next.
To sony: Good job on addressing this crucial issue and speadily i might add.
To PS3 owners: MAY WE ALL REJOICE!!!
To MIcrosoft Fanboys: HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA HAH!!!!
TheSh0wstopper
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AH, 360's are selling like HotCakes....Sony were you at?
Nintendo does have som DOA Units out there [Wii]
But other than that and some game glitches, yeah, pretty perfect.
At this point, I own a 360, and a Wii, but when I want to play a extremely detailed game, like Gears of War, I go to my 360, if I want to have fun with some sports games or Legend of Zelda, I go to my Wii. Its a pretty good trade off. I got a TV that does Support 720p as well as 1080i and 480i/p. So PS3 would still support my TV.
Browsers in my most humble openion, should stick with PC's. Browsers lead to viruses, ect.
why the f' do I want a virus riddiculed PS3 or Wii.
Its just another easy way to Brick any game console.
I dont care about 1080p, I got my TV setup in a 1080i format and it looks amazing. I got the HD-DVD addon and looks sickkkkkk.
Showstopper, stfu and quit trying to force people to buy new tv's like they can drop $1.2k after they dropped a nasty amount of money for the PS3 or Xbox360. The 360 doesn't have a problem displaying a screen format if your TV is old, that is a serious problem. No matter if it needs a firmware upgrade, how come this problem slipped past Sony?
"The 360 doesn't have a problem displaying a screen format if your TV is old, that is a serious problem."
The 360 doesn't have a problem displaying a screen format even if your TV is old, if Sony cannot produce a signal that your TV can reconize, then we have a serious problem. Fix'd
Firmware Updates are almost like a plauge, I usually don't download them for my PSP, I gots the 2.71SE-C currently. Can't stand Sony's constant firmware upgrades, If I owned a PS3, I'd be afraid during a Firmware Upgrade that my power would go out and i'd end up with a brick
Sorry dude i don't agree with you! if you feel that the PS3 is a piece of junk, thats only your opinion. I fall in line for this console for 26hrs at SONY METREON SAN FRANCISCO during the launch day and all i can say that its worth my money rather than XBOX 360. I know maybe half of those people in line wants to sell it just to make money out of it...but but but most of them said that they will buy a PS3 around march 07 or maybe a Wii.
Also there's some truth of what you said regarding Internet browsing. If you want to browse online, then PC is the best choice. But if you are already playing your PS3 online let say Resistance or NBA2K7...then you want to check your email or your posting on craigslist then its also convenient to do it in your PS3 rather than disconnecting your DSL and hook it up in your PC again (If you don't have a router just like me).
About the HDTV. Yes we did have a problem using one of the TVs that my friend bought. Because we are trying to use HDMI. It seems that some TVs doesn't accept it. But eventually SONY will fix this using a PATCH. So what we did is we use his SONY TV and played Resistance and NBA2K7 until 4:30AM during Thanksgiving. Even my friend wants to buy my used PS3 hahaha. He said that its way way better than his XBOX 360.
Prolly selling even more ps2s
They just fixed the issue! New firmware came out today. PS3 FtW!!!1!
360's are selling like hotcakes? playstation 2's are still killing 360's in sells. And the only reason 360's are selling AT ALL is because there aren't enough playstation 3's and wii's to go around. If sony had 4 million systems ready by christmas THEY WOULD ALL SELL OUT!!! so yea 360's may be selling now but this is gonna be a long war so enjoy these few measly months. I own a 360 and a playstation 3 waiting till wii's are available to get one (I waited in line for 2 days for my ps3 no way in hell i would do that for an overclocked gamecube). Sony will take the lead and squash the comp.
XBOX: Halo 3, Mass effect, Crackdown, Blue Dragon, Shadowrun
Wii: Mario 110, smash bros, kirby, yadda yadda yadda
PS3: Metal gear, Killzone, gran turismo, Devil may Cry, Final Fantasy, Jak, Ratchet, Silent Hill 5, Socom, Tekken, Soul Caliber 5, White Knight, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Mercenaries 2 (exclusive I think), Unreal, Warhawk, Virtua Tennis, Virtua fighter 5... just to name a few
not to mention that 1st generation "rushed" ps3 games look comparable to 2nd generation 360 games. Not to mention games will be in "NATIVE RESOLUTION 1080p". With more disk space for bigger games and more info.
PLAYSTATION 3 FTW!!!
TheSh0wstopper
A new firmware is out in Japan, but they don't really say what it does. So no it probably did not fix the problem. PS3 does not have a scaler chip in it like XBOX 360.
Do you really think people buy a XBOX 360 only because there are not many PS3s or Wiis? PS3 is new and hard to find. That makes people crazy about getting one. Then when they do, there's only a dozen unimpressive games and many will consider selling it. Only 2 or 3 decent exclusive titles will come in the next year, and it's software support will be comparable to the Gamecube. Sales will nosedive shortly after they are easily available. They won't be new or rare anymore, they'll just suck. Playstation 2s are $130, a little more than the cost of 2 games. People like cheap gifts. XBOX 360 is $200 cheaper, and you're getting comparable processing power, just without a soon to be obsolete blu ray movie player.
stfu micro$oft fanboys.
you guys are looking for reasons to bash the ps3 because you're insecure about having your $400 xbox go to waste if it loses. just leave it alone and see what happens within the next year. and stop comparing gears of war to ps3 LAUNCH titles. how are you going to compare a game that has been in development for close to 2 years to launch games? if you're gonna compare launch games, compare perfect dark zero or kameo to resistance and genji. and wtf are you guys talking about ps3 isn't selling? all you guys on microsoft's ***** go to a store and find a ps3 then. they aren't selling right? go find one.
ftw *****gots.
lol showstopper is such a f.a.g its not even funny. get a girlfriend or something man, youre a total nerd and this is coming from a fellow PS3 fan.
Vietone,
I do have a girlfriend and i amnot a nerd. The reason why I put up soo many posts is because I am at work and have absolutely nothing to do. So i make my $18 an hour while chattign it up with you guys.
Geez... give a guy a break
TheSh0wstopper
The Xbox 360 does pass 1080P through component, your TV just cant accept the signal through the component inputs. The signal travelling from USB > system > Cable will have zero loss as it is a digital signal, the only loss occurring will be over the VGA cable itself since it is an analog signal being pushed to the TV.
The update didn't do anything really noticeable. All it did was add account management options.
"Vrignaud continued that he was prompted to quit, go to the dashboard, change the PS3's resolution to 720p and then relaunch the game."
Dude's so confused, he thought his 360 is the PS3. Lol.
"Vrignaud continued that he was prompted to quit, go to the dashboard, change the PS3's resolution to 720p and then relaunch the game."
Dude's so confused, he thought his 360 is the PS3. Lol.
Just because there is an update doesn't mean the 1080i issue has been fixed. I recently heard that Sony is just looking into it and did not propose any solutions yet. Are you saying it was fixed that quickly. I could be proven wrong if someone could provide a link to the official change log for this firmware update.
Also, You really can compare resistance to Gears of War. Do you guys even know what second generation game is???? It's when a same freaking developer releases a second game for a specific console. Gears of War was Epic's first game for the 360 and how can you say its not comparable. Epic Team had just as little experience as Insomniac team with the project. If Epic was to release another game today, then that would be considered second gen game, because they already have experience with the hardware provided. Also, if you guys knew this, but Gears and Resistance were in development for approximately same period of time... For some odd reason, all of you keep thinking that Resistance was a one-nigher project pulled off by Insomniac. Are you kidding me? Making games is harder than you think especially for a more complex system (Cell processor) and an original IP (Extra time for new ideas, storyline, engine, textures, maps, no recycled material) Gears of War was in development for 2 years and so was Resistance. Both are original IPs and no wonder took awhile to make.
If you still disagree with me then look at it this way. PS3 right. Originally announced to be launched in May. Ask yourself, would Resistance launch with the PS3 in May? or Still in November? If you said November then according to you people, all of the sudden it's not a launch title anymore. Maybe even a second gen.
What I'm really trying to get at here is that games cannot be considered second, third, Xth gen in terms of when it was released relative to its console's launch.
So maybe now you guys will use some logic before turning straight to flaming a crap out of people.
My Opinion since everyone is entitled to one so please don't flame it: I'll be dead honest with you about not having a PS3 and I won't cover up that I'm a 360 fanboy. But I played Resistance at my local BestBuy and graphically I found it inferior to Gears of War. Now, let me emphasize it again. This is my OPINION, so please don't argue with me, because someone else might think the exact opposite and I respect that. Just because something taste bad to me, doesn't me its bad...... because someone else might find it delicious.
I hope I got my point across. Oh yea kids, Don't do drugs, stays in school and get good grades :)
i have both ps3 and 360, i have incountered so many problems already with the ps3 and its only been a week or so. i was able to get the 1080i working but only to find out that when hooked up with a ditigal sound out cable, there is no sound at all, i just new the system was broke, then i switch to 720p and sure enough sound in full surround, i don't know if they rushed it, but now after updating my system to 1.11 (i think that it) i found out that my 1.50 psp (yes 1.50) doesn't get show anymore, ahhhhhhh. why sony? why?
why do you xbots troll every *****ing place on the internet give it a rest already.
Who actualy has a 480i/p 1080i TV i want some hard numbers this cant be as big an issue as its blown into
The Xbar works a little difrently after the update your psp is still beign recognized your just not opening it
Xbox$hit60 is a piece of crap.
I am a nerd and still gots a girlfriend. What difference does it make?
Vietone doesn't excactly like spammers. I've noticed that from the past 3-5 months. Just calm down.
1.50 psp problems?! *GASP* nuu!~
Well, I couldn't understand your problem excactly, But 1.50 PSP's are kinda rare to come across, but still ok, you have the possiblity to down grade to 1.5 once again. But anyways, as you said "doesn't get show anymore, ahhhhhhh. " What does this mean? The UMD's that you buy want you to upgrade but you have all of your homebrew on 1.5? get 2.71se-c. Currently it can play all games *to my knowledge, I could be wrong though* can play 2.82 games, maybe 3.01 games, depending if it is using a certain codec in videos are using a brand new PRX file that cannot be found in D_A's 2.71SE-C.
That, and people typically don't like flaming idiots, either.
Guess all that hostility is justified, eh?
Last time I checked, you were the one using the term "xbots".... hypocrite maybe?
Also, if you read my post above carefully, you'll notice that I don't use gay names for PS3 fanboys....
Most HDTVs older than 15-18 months don't support 720p, so it's a big problem. If Sony doesn't have a hardware scaler, then they won't be able to upscale to 1080i.
this guy still thinks he has credibility? Gawd, I'm tired of hearing bad remarks about Sony's console. Well i guess he isn't the only one, Zif Davis *****es, IGN *****es, Gamespot *****es, everyone *****es about the PS3!! Yet no one is going to ***** a year from now when the real PS3 titles come out. And if anybody wants to insult sony for launch problems then why not ask microsoft how they delt with their problems...10 months later.
And the guy who compared the PS3 to the gamecube; the gamecube had 3x the amount of high scoring titles than the xbox. Infact if the xbox didn't have Halo, you wouldn't be seeing a 360. so its safe to say stfu.
ha, console rushed to the market? Lets talk about the 360 and its lack of internal HD-DVD drive, non-rechargable stock controllers, the loudest cooling fan in existance, and the 7 defective units sitting at my GameCrazy job.
That is a unit that was rushed. With another year, Microsoft could have put in a, HD-DVD drive and use it with the games, a HDMI port, a quieter fan, and maybe built-in rechargeable batteries for the controller. And it could have given them a chance to put a hard drive into every unit. They would have dominated if they waited! But no, they wanted to be a year ahead of everyone!
Lets see to get a 360 up to par with PS3 capabilties:
Premium unit-$400
HD-DVD drive-$200
wi-fi adapter-$100
rechargeable pack for controller-$30
Memory card reader-$30
Bigger hard drive-N/A
Buying a laptop HD and building it yourself-$100
HDMI Cable-N/A
=$860
plus having a bunch of cords and ugly add-ons all over the place
here you go again, telling ppl to wait...i guess your done watching them movies, huh?! (lol)
How many of you guys actually played playstation 3?, are some of you still talking about a system you have NOT played?, I spent a day and half with the playstation 3 at my friend's house, and I am telling you now xbox 360 is way way way way way better and I am not exaggerating either, playstation 3 is not better than xbox 360 in no way, and I expected much better from sony, and to top it off the playstation 3 is the worst looking system in the history of videogames, if you guys thought the first xbox was big, bulky, and even ugly, you have not seen anything, in fact playstation 3 makes the first xbox look like a playstation 2, sleek and nice. Sony dropped the ball big time.
"Re: Sal (Unregistered) - 5 hours ago
» It's a big problem
Most HDTVs older than 15-18 months don't support 720p, so it's a big problem. If Sony doesn't have a hardware scaler, then they won't be able to upscale to 1080i."
you are aware the xbox360 doesnt have a dedicated upscaler eather?.
its all done on one of the PPC cores in software, as i suspect the ps3 will do to....
"veffremov
VC-1 AP has a feature, where the codec pictures are smaller size then the display size. Similar to non suqre pixels, but works to resize in both directions: vertical and horizontal.
For example you may encode 1920x1080 content as 1280x720, but set the display size to 1920x1080 - the decoder will resize internally to the display size.
The feature is designed for TV Broadcast scenarios, not terribly usefull for offline encoding.
Anyway we have a big perf hit if that feature is used. I hope we can adress this in feature updates."
incase that went over your head, notice how the 'decoder will resize internally' and 'we have a big perf hit if that feature is used' ,now thats because there is not a dedicated hardware scaler chip or even a simple PFGA reprogramable chip to do this re-scaling, sad as it is thats a fact than both platforms messed up on as they think its fine to do it in software to save a few ££.
i always advocate putting in a simple,cheap yet powerful PFGA type chip for this and other currently unthought of
options later, they dont want to to save money, and thats a shame......
forgive the typo's please, its a shame we cant edit our posts.
i ment to say FPGA and this kilocore would have been a perfect fit in all the PPC based consoles today for instance.
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/49772.html
" IBM, Rapport Unveil Energy-Wise Power Chip
IBM (NYSE: IBM) and Power.org member Rapport unveiled a new energy-efficient processor dubbed Kilocore that features more than 1,000 processing elements around a Power chip architecture. "
http://www.rapportincorporated.com/background/rapport_at_ces.html
its too late now of course, but who knows if the next batch could have something retro fitted for a better long term future ?.
Umm that's why the PS2 was sucessful. It was a year ahead of the others. Your comparisons suck as $ony brainwashed you into thinking you need those things. I don't give a s*it about quiet as I like to listen to the surround sound high volume. I would rather buy a stand alone HD-DVD drive when they are cheaper. You don't need a rechargable battery because AAs last months even when used constantly. Then there's the sh*t you made up and acting like you need it to play a badass game. Give it up and don't go down with $ony's ship.
i guess you're playing that one game worth a year of exsistence.
so you're telling me, that after the 360 launched, there were nothing but fantastic titles coming out every month? Give it up man, kameo shouldn't of taken too long. And you really think the PS2 was sleek? It had more edges than a picasso painting! Seriously man, you're comparing a console that has been out for acouple weeks to a system that has sold 7 million units worldwide.
Oh yes, M$ tells the truth, that's quite possibly the most outlandish statement I've evern heard. Besides, if you have an older HDTV that can't do 720p, then go buy a 500$ tv that does. It's not that hard people. I'd rather have 1080p with HDMi as opposed to 1080p upscaled w/o hdmi. People who say that the ps3 does less out of the box are blatant fanboys.