Ubisoft: Splinter Cell Conviction not possible on the PS3...for now |
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Checking out Australian gaming website, mygen, they have posted some scans of Ubisoft's alleged Xbox 360 exclusive, Splinter Cell: Conviction. Apparently, these scans came from a Finnish magazine who is said to have scored an exclusive interview with the Ubisoft folks. There were some info divulged about the game and mygen was kind enough to translate the more important and interesting stuff. Here's what they came up with:
- No more sneaking around in the shadows...You won't have to use force or sneak around as long as you don't act suspiciously.
- According to the article, every single object that is rendered on screen has physical properties and most of them can be used by Sam. For example, Sam can pick up furniture and use it as a weapon, or throw printers at enemies or papers in the face of enemies to gain the upper hand in fights.
- Melee fights are much more than "press this button to hit" this time around. There's different context sensitive attack buttons and as mentioned before lots of environmental interaction.
- The Ubisoft developers said that the fact that they are exclusive to the 360 allows them to do much more than if they were multiplatform, but they also state they doubt they would be able to achieve what they're doing with the game on the 360 on the PS3 even if it was PS3 exclusive.
Via mygen
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This is gonna start some talk.
This game doesn't even look remotely impressive. Others have already done more than this on the 360 & PS3...The only thing they "may not be able to do on the ps3" would have to involve something to do with on-line play.
is someone in someone else's pocket? has someone recevied a large sum of money in order to say certain things?
unless their game is just crap and the reason they couldn't achieve it is that sony have already said 'if you want to release this on ps3 then you'd better improve it'...
i find it hard to believe that they're telling the truth, imo the two machines are pretty well matched for power etc.
oh well. bring on the flame
this is another of those qj 'impartial' reporting incidents isn't it... the devs probably said 'we don't know how to use ps3 yet' and qj et al rejigged the statement to suit their need for a flame war and to match the anti-ps3 vibes which have been sent out for the last year and a half.
I just wanna say it before all the PS3 fanboys can say it:
"Zomg like Microsoft paid ubisoft a bajillion dollars to say this PS3 is teh win, 360 sucks we have blu ray waaaa"
Proceed with the *****ing.
i will wait till there is proof because saying it doesnt mk it true
when the give specs then i will acsept it
if true at least we get gta
DAMN and they already beat me to it.
has taken side in this console war and it's not PS3 side. Ubi hasn't show any interest in PS3, developing crappy ports and delaying several times every port. I expect Assessin's Cred to be another let down in the PS3.
Those devels dont know and dont want/need to learn how to master PS3 tricks so they feel free to talk nonsenses about PS3 no-able to do "my super-spectacular-game", because they actually are incapable to get something good from the PS3.
I'm sure Ubi will need to revise its politics regarding the PS3 in the near future when PS3 gains momentum, after a price cut and first party titles become available.
Ubisoft stating that what is possible with the 360 might not be with the PS3. That's like saying how fast you can go with a Ford GT might not be possible with a Z06 Corvette.
Whatever.
Once people start getting off their high horses and actually try to utilize both systems, can anyone make such a bold and valid claim.
Such is the case with Nintendo, who utilizes both systems and chose to go a different route: WII!
sucks.
i'm no fanboy but this does smell a bit fishy.
i do own a ps3 and not a 360, but i am quite happy to play a 360 and i enjoy one or two of the games.
personally i do not irrationally support one over the other, and if this article were tilted the other way i would say the same thing.
wait, i don't really have to justify myself to the internet do i?
Well concidering 360 does do HDR lighting (that includes shadows) better, you would think a Splinter Cell game would only be natural on the 360. Everything is so bright and washed out on the PS3 that you probably wouldnt be able to tell what is shadow and what isnt.
Also, what would lead anyone to believe that Ubisoft is in MS pocket? Is Ubi not making Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon for PS3? Just because one game is exclusive from a company doesnt make the entire company one sided.
Personally, Im a huge SC fan and I cant wait for this game. Hopefully they will go back to the Chaos Theory version of Spy Vs Mercenary since the new version is just far too nubbed out. And the whole *use anything as a weapon* kinda reminds me of Dead Rising so I know the single player for this game is gonna be a blast.
Anyways, I guess Ill stop there and let the Sony kids throw their temper tantrums that another AAA series is a 360 exclusive. Dont worry little fellas, you still have MGS (for now) which should be ok since fighting robots and hiding under cardboard boxes is soooo much fun (sarcasm).
Just because we have programmers who don't know how to program a PS3...
Anyways, no big loss. Splinter Cell is okay, but not great. I like buying the PC versions for 5 bucks from Traget within 6 months of their release. :)
sam fisher sucks dic
rainbow 6 is crud
ghost recon is worse
mgs 4 ... i wonder if it will remain exclusive to ps3... hmm
Check out these comparison shots...this shows you everything you need to know.
http://www.gameswank.com/portal/?p=420
Notice how the first gen ps3 game looks better than the 2nd/3rd gen 360 games? Hmmm...I'm sure the ps3 is capable of anything the 360 is.
You idiot, they dont even have a decent preview of it and already you are *****ing...
Just giving my opinion...I have both consoles, love both, buy games for both...but I still think the screenshots look unimpressive...looks like any other Splinter Cell game.
And Crysis couldn't be made on any console, oops, I guess it can be. Bottom line is with enough effort a game can be ported all over the place, heck there is even some video of Resident Evil on Gameboy (The original not the one on the boat that came out in europe). Of course, when there are also "news" of GTAIV suffering from lack of HDD on all X360 it's only logical to hear "news" supporting the other console, it's how things work, get used to it.
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAH AHHAHAHAHAHHAHA HAHAHHAHAHAHAHH AHA HAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO make what that system can handle....PROTEINS !!!! Not gaming!!! So while you fold proteins, you can watch your so hot blu ray movies but make sure you don t play a 8bit games like Mario 1 cause that system will overheat !!! hahahah
Failure ahead, thats great Sony, it's a matter of time and you ll sink like no one did before !
You're a sick fool...I hope you die of cancer someday...seriously. Mock about games all you want, but don't mock a good cause. My three year old knows better than that.
XBOX 360 > GAYSTATION 3
Stupid fanboys.
Yet the first Demo of GTAIV is running on an 360. Everyone over hyped rockstars comments. GTAIV will take advantage of the HDD in 360 consoles with a HDD. They were just stating that the core 360 is limiting, I expect some adjustments of the game when it's run on a core 360. Atleast the 360 version wont require a HDD install like the PS3 version. GTAIV will run worse then the 360 core version without a HDD install. Slow ass Blu-Ray sucks for these types of games.
My PS3 has been on since launch! NEVER turned off been constantly Folding@home or playing games. OVER ONE MONTH it has been on and guess wat... NO OVERHEATING ISSUES.
Pity u 360 fanboys... enjoy ur 10 minutes of games until u get a ring of death or an overheat failure.
And are you all forgetting that PS3 just came out? Our First batch of games are matching your precious games that have had over a year to develop. Enjoy your pathetic console while it lasts, for when our next set of games come around, you'll be the first to say how much better PS3 is than ur *****ty 360.
In this you play as washed up Sam Fisher... professional hobo.
If you check out the article and the source, you'll realize that the things we listed down were direct quotes from the translated version provided by mygen (the story's source). We're not hyping up anything and I suggest that you read before you comment. Nonetheless, thanks for sharing with us your opinion. :)
Little something for PS3 owns to chew on. Both systems are powerful the 360 is just $200 less, has more/better games, and is more purpose built for gaming. MS has built better tools and providing a better business model for developers and publishers. Both systems have strengths and weaknesses, maybe the developers should just shut up and start building games. Maybe Sony could stop trying to push their consoles power through the F@H application and deliver something decent to next gen gaming.
sad thing is he realized he could have used copy paste... after typing that all out
Its funny, because if this game (along with RS and GRAW) were a ps3 exclusive all of the kids saying that they sucks would be like *OMG we have MGS and SC! What does 360 have!?*
As for the kid who spammed BOO or whatever, he stated that 256 and 256 make 512. While this is true, sometimes devs want to use more than just 256, and if they are working with a PS3 they cant do that. Hence why it is hard to develop games for the PS3 and why the ports are usually a lot worse. Having a cut off of only 256 will only end up bottlenecking its latter games from looking any better. That is one major flaw in the PS3 design, and any dev would agree with my statement.
And finally, as for the 1st gen games looking as good as the 3rd gen games that have been in development for a year or whatever someone said, you obviously dont understand how development works. Im guessing you also think since these are only PS3s 1st gen games that eventually the PS3 games will look better than 360s? LOL. As development grows the games look better, it has nothing to do with the gen of the games. The unfortunate thing for PS3, as i stated earlier, is that it has only 256 256, and when devs want to use more than what is cached off for them they will have to scrap some things. 360 does not have this problem, they have 512 and the devs can use it any way they please (be it 300 and 215 or 500 and 12).
But in the end it doesnt matter what you guys think of SC or say about the 360, SC5 is still going to be a 360 exclusive because the PS3 cannot handle it. Kinda like how they also cant handle Gears Of War. It all comes down to the 256 256 bottleneck design flaw Im sure. Oh well, its not my problem. :)
direct possibly poorly translated quotes. who knows how well these were translated. and who knows if this finnish magazine is trustworthy. i sure as hell dont know any of those things so im staying neutral on this one. (but i dont see why they couldnt do it for ps3?)
woohooo... anyone up for a chair-fight??
i suppose in the new SC the new guns are now chairs, tables are bazooka's and well... Dell PC's as grenades
Although you make some valid points about a few things. I'd just like to point out.
Generations- has to do with time passing
Development for Platform Growth- takes time
hence these things are in a way intertwined and the reason there wasn't a game that look like FFXII on PS2 anywhere near its launch.
And finally I'm glad you look at a single aspect of a system and use that to deem it unfit to run games. Short sighted much?
YEAH YOU FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT BROTHER! oh wait your a god damn retard and deserve to die in a god damn hole. you're really helping the situation douche bag. please. if it werent for as-sholes like you the console wars wouldnt exist and the 360 owners a ps3 owners would all get a long. i dont own a ps3. but im buying one this month cuz believe it or not. im getting bored of my 360! gears is pissing me of with all the damn glitches, and the other games i have i dont much care for all i play is oblivion. but im sure ill get bored of my ps3 at some point too. but thats ok i go through cycles. but at least im not a fuc-king noob like you!
No it doesn't. Developers have even said PS3 does it better, and thats why multiplatform titles looked washed out on PS3, cause they didn't calibrate correctly going from the 360
"While this is true, sometimes devs want to use more than just 256, and if they are working with a PS3 they cant do that. "
Actually they can. RSX has full access to all 512 MB of ram. It just has faster/dedicated access to 256. 360 has to share all 512 (reducing bandwidth)
its ubisoft, expect to be unimpressed unless they are french-canadians.
And that's why we opted for direct quotes since we couldn't locate the original source. If more information comes our way, you guys will be the first to know. Thanks :)
You guys flame SONY so hard. M$ is losing their head in the 360 and for some reason its the system to buy? Just like the Dreamcast!
" they doubt they would be able to achieve what they're doing with the game on the 360 on the PS3 even if it was PS3 exclusive"
Translation: They're too lazy to try and learn how to program for the PS3.
none of that ***** is going to happen.
DA sucked balls
i want chaos theory single and multi player.
that people care so much about these arguments that they actually get ANGRY over it. The degree to which some people find it necessary to link their very identity with one console over the other is astonishing to me.
Really, the story boils down to this: when a company makes a console-exclusive title, they tend to be very complimentary to that particular console when talking about said title. It's called "trying to convince the owners of the console to buy your game." This exact same story could have been written about Factor 5 and "Lair".
Ubisoft develops games for the PS3. So they aren't too lazy.
Nark is correct.
"As development grows the games look better, it has nothing to do with the gen of the games. "
Are you *****-ing retarded? The development cycle of the game is largely based on designing an engine for the hardware provided.
Getting to know, understand, and provide a platform for a game is a tricky one - especially when you're working with 7 different SPEs that have to all process information.
You could chose to take a task - and have them all work on tiny chunks of that task - or send entire tasks to different SPEs.
You're really nearsighted, and your argument about the "256 256" limitation is pretty damned ignorant. Just because you read somewhere that was the case (which it isn't) - doesn't make it appropriate fodder to support your claim.
The 360 isn't a bad console - it has plenty of power to back it up. But I would not put my money on the 360 being "superior" in any way, shape or form.
The CELL processor is a supercomputing chip - this is a huge leap from the norm, as games - programmers - and developers in general haven't been exposed to this type of power. They do not know what to do, to take advantage of the number crunching of the CELL processor. With time, they will learn how to exploit the processor into getting better performance/details/technologies implemented into games - which aren't possible with slower chips.
Right now - it isn't some magic chip - which can radically make games photo-realistic. But it will get better - the question is - how MUCH.
All in all, the 360 and PS3 are very alike - but hating on the PS3 for trivial points and differences is quite moot.
APPLE != BANANA... THUS - BANANA SUX LOLOLOL
Please, shut up.
18.75% (96mb) of the ps3%u2019s 512mb of total RAM is reserved fr the OS vs. 6.25% (32mb) of the 360%u2019s 512mb RAM. That means the ps3 has 416mb RAM left vs. the 360%u2019s left over 490mb RAM for graphics.
Come on guys, this isn't worth getting angry over. I'm nearly positive SC will come to PS3. When they say it won't be coming to the PS3, chances are it will in the future.
When they say that it's not possible on the PS3, that's not so farfetched. Their team has more experience with the 360 and the PS3 is newer hardware. It'll take time before they get 360 quality games coming out of it. No one's saying either system is better than the other, but the 360 is just easier to program for at this time. Give it some time.
And yes I own a 360, I also (try) to respect other systems. If only other people could learn to do the same. (That goes for both PS3 and 360 Diehard fans)
Ubisoft is lazy...they port games to the ps3
hey man... i love my bananas
I give a crap about if the game won't come to ps3, i only care they fix the damn camera of the game and put it like first splinter cell, i don't want to see sam in the whole damn screen like double agent!!. In other thing i know the ps3 is very capable of doing those graphics just wait for MGS4 their are going to sh***it their pants.
i hope it doesn't come to the ps3, ubi ports are all ***** anyway. they can only do more with the 360 because the are used to it and don't feel like taking time to learn the hardware and develop for the ps3. but to everyone who says those graphics are not impressive, it's still in development and a while from release and i'm sure it will be amazing looking.
"and don't feel like taking time to learn the hardware and develop for the ps3. "
This is the truth.
Ubisoft sees it like this:
"More Xbox 360s in the Market"
"Our games sell well on it"
"We've already whored our engine for multiple titles on the 360 - why not do it more?"
They developed the engine on the 360 for Ghost Recon, and slowly but surely - it became the basis of GRAW2, Rainbow 6, Splinter Cell: Double Agent - and now, Splinter Cell: Conviction.
I don't have much respect for them anymore, they are cranking out cookie-cutter games, and doing just enough work to make the games different enough to be able to tell them apart.
Rainbow 6 Vegas ran on Unreal Engine 3.
Maybe Ubisoft (which is the 3rd largest game developer in the world) just realizes the PS3 is a failed console and dont wanna waste money in it? Its only sold like 2million consoles worldwide, and concidering theres over 10 billion people in the world thats a very small percentage.
Ok people really need to stop with the ubisoft is lazy cause they wont develop games for ps3. Time for sony fanboys to realize thats not laziness, its common sense. Ps3 costs more for the consumer to purchase and costs a ton more to develop games for, they would have to be crazy to invest there money into a system that has a significantly smaller user base and is unnecessarily hard to develop on. Also please for the love of god stop with the mgs d1ck sucking, it has not shown ONE impressive thing; story is still apparently off the wall, the graphics (while im sure will be pretty at times) look overall pretty mediocre, so much texture stretching in the videos its sad and from the looks of it I saw no new fancy effects such as particle physics, it didnt even look like the were using normal/parallax maping which is simple to do and really helps give the game a more "realistic"(i put it in quotes because it often times makes thing look plastic if devs are careless" look.
@kyle...Are YOU *****ing retarded? In case you didn't know the MAJORITY of AAA studio don't dev in house engines anymore(some do, but it is mostly licensed engines power the games we play on consoles) I mean look at all the middleware thats cropped up and has proved to be quite useful like Havok and Speedtree rt. And really the cell isn't this supercomputer chip sony sells it as, its real world performance is impossible to measure because no one will dig deep enough to show it off, and it hardly makes games "look" better, rendering things on screen is largely handled by the Gpu. Which btw ps3 gpu doesnt push out the performance 360s does(its actually the last generation of gpus where ati actually dominated nvidia, now its vice versa). Comparing a ps3 to a 360 is hardly apples to oranges, its more like a decent apple(360) to a old moldy apple the guy at the store tricked you into buying saying it had magical powers, it can cure cancer! Sorry to say it but, ***** cancer, id rather have a relatively tasty apple(you buy apples to eat em anyway right?).
ok must skipped a comment by kyle, Ubisoft did not devlop the engine for any of those games you damn tool, theyre actually powered by Unreal Engine(vegas was UE3 where SC:DA was UE2 not sure about ghost recon honestly though, nearly positive its unreal too though). So please dont give people your "informed opinion" because, you're full of sh1t.
The only number in that whole post that was correct was the 3 in "PS3".
u ps3 fan boys payed 200$ more for a -10% to +0.8%
graphics increase LOL.....
What are you smoking, theres no graphics increase. All the ports look better on 360. And even if you take two seperate games and compare them, say Motorstorm and Gears of War, the 360 still looks better.
What they paid $200 more for was a forced movie format that they stupidly brag about like a kid with a black eye, thinking it means devs are gonna take advantage of having 50GB of space to work with when in fact they are just fine with the space on a DVD9 (price wise AND development wise).
The saddest part are the people who believe anything Sony says. Like *next gen starts when we say it does*, no next gen started when the 360 hit. PS3 doesnt have rumble, it has horrible online functionality (you have to leave a game just to answer your message), the controllers are poorly designed (wireless drop outs), among sooo many other let downs with the PS3. Heck, you cant even listen to custom music while playing a game with PS3, whats so next gen about that.
The only thing Sony meant by *next gen* was its movie format, which fanboy fools bought into like sheep in a herd. But no one was surprised, they are after all Sony fanboys to begin with.
Last time I checked 360 is still in 1st place, and PS3 still waaaay back in 3rd. If you wanna call any console the Dreamcast at least make it relative to the failure that was Dreamcast.
Even if Wii does pass 360 do you think MS fans are gonna be upset? No. For one, its a very cheap console so of course its gonna sell like wildfire. It would still mean 360 is well ahead of Dreamca...I mean, PS3.
this is the best looking game I have ever seen this gen stop hating this game has what I never see in games lots of people, this game screams next gen, LOL at sony fanboys HA
you friggin fanboys weren't saying that a few days ago when the gta 4 psm article came out what goes around comes around ha ps3 is crap
another guy that makes a lot of sense thank you man for not being a bias fanboy I have been telling these fools for months both system are pretty much evenly matched but I gave because of all the bull crap pr sony was saying about the xbox now I don't care ps3 is crap
what the frig are you talking about billy do you think anybody needs the pos3 to help with cancer playstation could not exist and the gaming industry and cancer research would do just fine no one needs playstation, so you should be the one dying of cancer the folding@home has nothing to do with videogames
thank you nark
dont believe every thing sony say cell is nothing special man, as I say both system are equally matched
they look like they are talking a new approach with this splinter cell and I like that I always though splinter was a bit too slow so don't judge now just wait and see this game could be awesome it looks more action oriented
sony fanboys are desperate even if something is not all that MEtal cough met ge cough the will say it's all that.
200 more for blu ray thats it
and the guy above me also makes sense
can't wait to check this game out that can't be done on pos3. LOL
you probably need to wash up, go do it now, you think Im playing you stink go wash up right now. LOL
Your name proves you are a fantard.. shut up pls... Maybe you haven't had anyone you know been affected by cancer or Alzhiemers (which is what I recall F@H is about)... but that doesn't mean you should diss a good cause. Any form of help is appreciated. People like you give 360 fanboys a bad name... All you can think of is yourself.
Actually, you are wrong...
PS3 is still using last gen Vertex shading, which is far from per pixel HDR....
It has nothing to do with calibrations and everything to do with 360 having more pixel shading capabilities then the PS3....and guess what is used to do per PIXEL HDR lighting....
Come back when you actualy know the technicalities behind it and don't base every on here say....
Also, that is probably the main thing they are talking about when saying PS3 is incapable...is that they would not be able to get the same quality of lighting as they can on 360....
But like Splinter Cell Double Agent looks a gazilion times better on the Xbox 360. The PS3 version of that game just sucks a lot... It looks like a PS2 game.
So it is not that surprising that Ubisoft decided to make Splinter Cell Conviction exclusive.
Because you all sony fanboys know that blu-ray doesnt make better games, the cell just sucks to program and the Nvidia GPU is a piece of crap compared with the Xenos. So sony boys get over it.
dont be suprised if sooner or later Ubisoft announces "ZOMG, SPLINTER CELL 5 FOR TEH PS3, PS2, WII, DS etc...!"
HA HA so after PS3 owners jumped up the news from Rockstar we know have this news,I bet they wont be pressing the JUMP IT UP button now.
Original tilt control Not Sonys 1999
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v+5cOBtMMWteA+mode+related+search+
I remember when assassin's creed was announced for the 360 they claimed the reason behind it was "we weren't sure if the 360 could handle the game like the PS3 could" and now we get "the ps3 can't handle the game the 360 can"... MAKE UP YOUR F_CKING MINDS!!!!
Oh and I'm willing to bet it's mere laziness on UBi's part. They program the games for the 360 and then go "oh yeah.. teh ps3... well... lets just port it over as quick as possible!" and you CAN"T DO THAT!!! the architecture of the PS3 is so f'n different that you have to take in account that fact and make things different. But instead companies like ubi say "w/e' and dont. thus you get crap ports and xbox flaming "OMG PZ3 suxxxss!!!!"
"The CELL processor is a supercomputing chip ..."
Oh dear, one more sucker...I mean...gamer who has fallen for the hype. ;)
this was intresting i look forward to it.On another note ,T here has been a uprising in Ps3 bashin now im not all for sony as i own both a ps3 and 360 and show both love however some ppl have to think back to when the 360 first launch wat did you have for about a yr..hmmm thats right call of duty 2 and graw because every other game was garbage i remeber back picking up a 360 and hearin "why you gettin that junk theres no games for it ...it stupid" all by ps2 owners then gears of war came and wat happen everyone jumped on the band wagon and everyone i know who claimed the 360 to be junk are now huggin their system.My point is intsead of sayin negative thoughts about the Ps3 lets keep in mind it hasnt even been a yr for them it is basically the 360 a yr ago im sure when they get their own "gears of war" if it be in the form of killzone or something im sure there will be some microsoft fan boy huggin a ps3
>"they claimed the reason behind it was "we weren't sure if the 360 could handle the game like the PS3 could"".
Hmmm, I don't recall that. Got a link? I recall this sort of comment coming from fanboys, but not the developers themselves.
>"Oh and I'm willing to bet it's mere laziness on UBi's part."
Oh sure! Whether a dev says the same about the PS3, it becomes a fact according to fanboys (even when it's obvious that the devs are sucking up to their 'masters'). And yet, when other devs say the same about the 360, it's because they're lazy, or they don't understand Cell, or because MS paid them to say it etc ... lol.
The fact is, as I've always said, for an exclusive game, you should take anything the dev says about the other consoles with a pinch of salt (like Factor 5 about Lair). Because devs working on a single console are bound to be biased to some degree. It happens.
I'm sure even PS3 fanboys will agree that we should be sceptical of Ubisoft's comments about this game, however I know that the next time a dev working on a PS3 exclusive says their game is doing something which can't be done on the 360, those same fanboys will forget about scepticism and be out in force to say it proves the PS3's superiority over the 360. ;)
All you xboys went crazy when rockstar made their comments and now you all celebrate. Sony didn't come up with tilt control huh. Who cares, that's like when you xboys tried to say M$ came out with a power button on their controller you acted like they recreated the earth, all they did was take an idea from every remote piece of electronics known to man, and put it in a console, that's all sony did with tilt, get over yourselves.
BTW what you xboys are missing is that they never said what exactly it is that they can do on the 360 that they can't on the ps3. That's probably because what they are talking about is charging you more money for downloadable content, you no sony hates making gamers pay more after they already bought a game, no such moral dilemma at M$. Oh well I guess I won't be playing another half-ass splinter cell game, it's a shame too the last 2 were so good. lol lol
Why are you so defensive all the time datnizzle? Have something to prove?
"All you xboys went crazy when rockstar made their comments..."
Because PS3 fanboys (as expected) decided to twist the comments into something it wasn't.
They were asked if the lack of a HDD as standard and DVD caused issues for the game, and they gave a one word answer, which was "Yep". And yet, from that ONE word gamers (perhaps yourself included) put all kinds of interpretations onto what it was suppose to mean.
I'm sure if Rockstar had been asked if the 256/256 memory division within the PS3 or the speed of Blu-ray had caused issues, they could also of said "Yep". But this time, it would be XBox fanboys making it out to be something it was not.
As for Ubisoft's comment about this game on the PS3, I've made my opinions known on the next page (in response to hush404).
get a girl friend and stop seeing a 360 and a ps3 as ur girl. seriously u guys need to get laid and these little argument wud seem so trivia after that
And you're here because? Why are here instead of being with your girl friend? Bored with her are you?
Then why would the demo of assasins creed be running on a 360 ?
Same for GTA, everything has been shown running on a 360, not PS3...
If PS3 is so great, why aren't they running their code on it first ? So if 360 is slightly limited, then they must REALLY hate PS3....
ZOMG!! Less than 1% of the worlds population owns 360s, it must be dooomed!!!!!
Ah, so many fanboys. In my opinion there isn't a single game out that couldn't be done on both consoles just fine.
We're just scratching the surface of what these consoles can do. Look at these pics, the first one is the early ps2 game smugglers run, and the other is grand turismo 4:
http://www.videogamecritic.net/images/ps2/smuggler's_run_2__hostil e_territory.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/052/reviews/561066_20050222_screen034.jpg
The difference between them is insane.
Lazy/cheap developers recycling old outdated xbox360 textures on PS3s does not mean PS3 couldn't handle it. It just happens that these developers did not take the time to optimize the code and did not redo the textures for the PS3.
This game is far from the best looking this gen. Gears of war, unreal tournament 2007, and even little big planet kick this games ass in terms of graphics
First off, to the guy above me, learn how to add... According to your facts, the 360 reserves 32 mb of ram for it's OS. Assuming that is correct, then that would leave 480 mb left over for the systems other operations, not 490. Idiot.
And I'd like to 2nd the fact that the 360 must share access to its memory, thus reducing the its overall usable bandwidth to that amazing 13% more memory. If anything were to possibly cause a bottleneck, it would be this...
And does any of this matter anyways? Hearing something like this from Ubisoft almost made me choke. The majority of Ubisoft's releases are some of the absolute crappiest games known to man. I consider the majority of their titles second worst only to Codemasters. (Has anyone here played Red Steel? To this day I cannot believe they released it with such a fatal control flaw. This company SUCKS!)
I would pay absolutely no attention to anything their devs say, this company is an absolute joke and not worth your time or money.
Ubisoft is mainly a PC game publisher and the xbox 360 is an under-powered PC. Easy conversion there. But, Ubisoft admitted they had no games for Vista yet. You don't think my quad-core with 8800gts PC nor PS3 can handle it? Get off your butts and get figure it out.
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i wish everyone would buy both consoles..so we dont have these stupid arguments ..i just wanna play games i dont care where it comes from...i got a 360 now butt as soon as metal gear come out ima get a ps3..or borrow someone ps3 to beat.
Dammit I am the biggest Xbox fan in the world and this pisses me off. Both systems are incredibly powerful, and for the most part equal, with the PS3 maybe being slightly more powerful. With proper coding, any game possible on the 360 is possible on the PS3
I hate how PS3 fans go on and on about developers having 50GB of space to take advantage of, they must have no idea how extremely expensive it is to create a 7GB game
who cares. just play games and stop trying to justify your purchase of a console.
i thought da next splinter was gunna b ends war, and idk if this is ture, ill rather wait 4 proof dan to talk now
they havent even released a preview or anything, dont judge until they release some real Screenshots
never going to happen just get a xbox 360 and you will feel much better, LOL I know, I know this was a suprise to me too the next never really cared for splinter cell, splinter cell looks like its going to be awesome did not see that coming that is why microsoft snatched it up.
will the gameplay be better than metal gear oh o smiling from ear to ear. lol
good one e
wrong 360 is more powerful microsoft got the most powerful platform again
Hey just so you know Rainbow Six Vegas is only running on Unreal Engine 2.5 get your facts straight before posting.
"First off, to the guy above me, learn how to add... According to your facts, the 360 reserves 32 mb of ram for it's OS. Assuming that is correct, then that would leave 480 mb left over for the systems other operations, not 490. Idiot."
Actually, the GPU has 10MB of embedded memory with a massive bandwidth of 256GB/s. So that makes it 490MB as stated, not 480MB.
"360 must share access to its memory, thus reducing the its overall usable bandwidth to that amazing 13% more memory. If anything were to possibly cause a bottleneck, it would be this..."
Based upon your own assumptions, but not based upon fact. The 360's design allows for the fact that both the CPU and GPU access the GDDR3 memory, and as I've stated, that 10MB of incredibly fast EDRAM within the GPU significantly reduces the bandwidth requirements for graphical operations like FSAA.
It could be this bandwidth saving feature of the GPU which is allowing Ubisoft to do things on the 360 which they couldn't do on the PS3. No doubt Ubisoft will be asked about this agian in future, so we'll have to wait and see.
"I would pay absolutely no attention to anything their devs say, this company is an absolute joke and not worth your time or money."
Of course, the perfect way to discount their comments is to discount the WHOLE company. That way, you can feel better about it and satisfy yourself that their opinions do not matter. However, for this type of game, the Splinter Cell series is consider by many to be only second to the MGS series, and for others, it's a better game.
The reviews are excellent for this series, so whatever you feel about OTHER Ubisoft games has nothing to do with the quality of Splinter Cell and nothing to do with the comments from the developers.
...from a lazy mind.
Can't guys like you ever think of anything else to say other than the devs are lazy?
And why are you talking about textures? There's nothing to 'redo' on the PS3 because it has just 512MB of memory just like the 360. Textures are not rendered directly from the optical disc, they are rendered from video RAM, so this together with GPU power is the main limitation, not DVD or Blu-ray. So it doesn't matter if Blu-ray is 25GB, 50GB, 200GB or 1000GB, the GPU can only ever render the textures currently in video RAM.
That's why EVERY multi-format game we're seeing (including those from Japan), shows little difference between the textures on the 360 and PS3 versions of the games.
...just like 'ME' above.
The PS3 is just as much an under-powered PC as the 360. It's advantage over the 360 is theoretically twice the floating-point power and more space on Blu-ray, whereas the 360 has a stronger GPU and a better online service, but overall, there's not much difference between them. However, compared to today's PCs, they are already outclassed by the power and memory available to PC gamers with the cash to spend.
"Get off your butts and get figure it out."
Oh sure, it really is that easy. I bet your advice to the athelete who just failed to break the 100m world record is "Get off your butt and run a bit faster next time".
Gee, the whole world can benefit from your insight.
metal gear is gonna b a big dispointment.
Look at all the posts from PS3 owners LOL, unlucky boys ***** happens..
"Look at these pics, the first one is the early ps2 game smugglers run, and the other is grand turismo 4:"
So what? What do you expect if you choose one of the worse looking earliest PS2 games and compare it to one of the best looking later games, and they're not even comparible anyway, since they're completely different types of game.
We ALL know that the consoles are pushed more as developers learn more and more about the hardware over the years, but this doesn't negate what Ubisoft have said. Besides, we don't even know what Ubisoft were referring too exactly. So yes, the GAME could be done on the PS3, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING being done on the 360 NOW can be done equally well on the PS3 (and vice versa), even later this gen.
ps people dont stop
your console is GARBAGE
30 - ps3 defense secretary
you see my friend this time around is much different for the ps3 you see unlike the other times sony has proved that their machine has the power to do whatever they say you may think that the games so far arent good enough but the only reason that motorstorm didnt look like the trailer is because the developers didnt know how to correctly program a game for a supercomputer with a graphic chip and Blue Ray, also the budget for the game wasnt anywhere near the budget that guerilla games has invested in killzone 2 so i would expect a game that will surpass the e3 2005 trailer by alot, if you dont believe that sony's ps3 then please help yourself and check out for yourself go to youtube and type in ps3 tech demos there are ps3 tech demos that look better than any ps3, 180, or pc graphics and the reason i know that ps3 aint even done its warm up routine is because 1. no developer yet has merged RSX and CELL together but they have in some of these tech demos 2. the tech demos were acheived in such a short amount of time and also early in ps3s lifecycle 3. once again no developer has truely put enough money into a ps3 game other than kojima, Final Fantasy 13 creaters Square Enix, and also of course Guerilla Games and one reason why i know sony aint lyin is because i still havent seen sony let up and say that, "Naw we just playin the 180 IS as powerful as ps3 our ps3 is NOT 2 times as powerful as the 180." The truth is that the ps3 is a bit more than 2 times as powerful as the 180 the 218 tflops compared to 1 tflop that the 180 has is just for the base hardware, and that is where 180 stops but, sonys ps3 goes some steps further than that first of all the specs you see on paper arent the true specs of the ps3 because like i said when RSX and Cell are merged the specs completely change by a whole lot for the idiots that say that on paper 180 and ps3 are equal that even if it was true, it aint because whereas on the 180 the specs are final and what you see is what you get the gpu and cpu dont merge and also the cpu of the 180 cant produce graphics that is all you get, with the ps3 that is different say the ps3 and 180 base form was equal such as in dbz when goku and vegeta were fighting in the buu saga, they were completely even the thing was that goku had an ace up his sleeve that he never used and that was super saiyan 3, or when majin gohan buu was fighting base form veggeto they were basically even but then again i think buu was more powerful than base form veggeto, but that completely vanished the equality in there power when veggeto went super saiyan, so what in the world makes you think that even if the ps3 and 180 were equal in base form that when ps3 uses the RSX and CELL merger that the 2 would still be equal (although even in base form the ps3 has a computing power of 218 tflops, and the 180 only has 1) remember the giant boost a merger can do goten and trunks for example they were basically weak seperately, but when merged as one especially after the time chamber the power boost from the tranformation was enourmous, especially considering they when merged surpassed goku as a super saiyan 3 now the thing is that even though the ps3 is far far more powerful than the 180 and probably still more powerful than the 360 comming out in 2010 why dont games look better than the 180 games that are multiplatform? in short because the 180 is only making grapics that arent what ps3 is made to render, ill tell ya why the initial plan of sony even before ps3 was first shown was to make games that will have little little difference with cutscenes and realtime and later years have games that will even enter the 4d era, which can only be achieved by a supecomputer (unfortunately ps3 has one, and even extra to go along with that to make surtain that ps3 will acheive and even break deeper into the 4d era) that goal has no changed and sony did put hardware capable of getting the job done, let me show you why the 180 IS weak compared to the ps3 the ps3 has the RSX but many of you believe that the 180's penos i
30 - ps3 defense secretary
you see my friend this time around is much different for the ps3 you see unlike the other times sony has proved that their machine has the power to do whatever they say you may think that the games so far arent good enough but the only reason that motorstorm didnt look like the trailer is because the developers didnt know how to correctly program a game for a supercomputer with a graphic chip and Blue Ray, also the budget for the game wasnt anywhere near the budget that guerilla games has invested in killzone 2 so i would expect a game that will surpass the e3 2005 trailer by alot, if you dont believe that sony's ps3 then please help yourself and check out for yourself go to youtube and type in ps3 tech demos there are ps3 tech demos that look better than any ps3, 180, or pc graphics and the reason i know that ps3 aint even done its warm up routine is because 1. no developer yet has merged RSX and CELL together but they have in some of these tech demos 2. the tech demos were acheived in such a short amount of time and also early in ps3s lifecycle 3. once again no developer has truely put enough money into a ps3 game other than kojima, Final Fantasy 13 creaters Square Enix, and also of course Guerilla Games and one reason why i know sony aint lyin is because i still havent seen sony let up and say that, "Naw we just playin the 180 IS as powerful as ps3 our ps3 is NOT 2 times as powerful as the 180." The truth is that the ps3 is a bit more than 2 times as powerful as the 180 the 218 tflops compared to 1 tflop that the 180 has is just for the base hardware, and that is where 180 stops but, sonys ps3 goes some steps further than that first of all the specs you see on paper arent the true specs of the ps3 because like i said when RSX and Cell are merged the specs completely change by a whole lot for the idiots that say that on paper 180 and ps3 are equal that even if it was true, it aint because whereas on the 180 the specs are final and what you see is what you get the gpu and cpu dont merge and also the cpu of the 180 cant produce graphics that is all you get, with the ps3 that is different say the ps3 and 180 base form was equal such as in dbz when goku and vegeta were fighting in the buu saga, they were completely even the thing was that goku had an ace up his sleeve that he never used and that was super saiyan 3, or when majin gohan buu was fighting base form veggeto they were basically even but then again i think buu was more powerful than base form veggeto, but that completely vanished the equality in there power when veggeto went super saiyan, so what in the world makes you think that even if the ps3 and 180 were equal in base form that when ps3 uses the RSX and CELL merger that the 2 would still be equal (although even in base form the ps3 has a computing power of 218 tflops, and the 180 only has 1) remember the giant boost a merger can do goten and trunks for example they were basically weak seperately, but when merged as one especially after the time chamber the power boost from the tranformation was enourmous, especially considering they when merged surpassed goku as a super saiyan 3 now the thing is that even though the ps3 is far far more powerful than the 180 and probably still more powerful than the 360 comming out in 2010 why dont games look better than the 180 games that are multiplatform? in short because the 180 is only making grapics that arent what ps3 is made to render, ill tell ya why the initial plan of sony even before ps3 was first shown was to make games that will have little little difference with cutscenes and realtime and later years have games that will even enter the 4d era, which can only be achieved by a supecomputer (unfortunately ps3 has one, and even extra to go along with that to make surtain that ps3 will acheive and even break deeper into the 4d era) that goal has no changed and sony did put hardware capable of getting the job done, let me show you why the 180 IS weak compared to the ps3 the ps3 has the RSX but many of you believe that the 180's penos
is more powerful than the RSX but you will be sadly dissapointed when you figure out the RSX really alone has a higher power than your entire 180 combined and i will show you just go to wikipedia and they will show you whereas the 180s entire system performance is 1 tflop the RSX has a performance of 1.8 tflops now that is alot but the thing is even if the RSX had been the same power or the 180 chip was more powerful than the RSX you are still missing the point of CELL the graphics would still topple anything that 180 has or has comming, why you ask? Because when RSX and Cell are merged whereas there is 1 penos and 1 penon with 3 cores, there is 1 RSX and 1 CELL (although the CELL alone is more powerful than the weaklin180) that changes horribly you see the cell is a supercomputer alone because it has 9 processors with there own performance each running at 3.2ghz the cell acts as an amplifier which many dont know the thing that i am going to tell you is the reason why Phil Harrisson said that, "No one will ever max out the ps3." In all accounts he was trying to sound a little more realistic then what he couldve said, this is what he couldve said, "No one will ever come close to maxing out ps3." Well here is where ps3 completely leaves 180 in the middle gen and takes of to next gen lan after the next gen boulevard where in 180 the gpu and cpu are all seperate but help one another out in the ps3 the cpu and gpu CAN act as one now when this happens which we havent seen only some of the power in the tech demos, when the two combine the power is somewhat on unrealistic boulevard, but it is a R3ality:
1 RSX
1 CELL
merge
RSX counts 9 times across 9 processors running at 3.2ghz each
this is why the ps3 in all accounts could be sony's ps4, notice phil didnt say wouldnt max out the ps3 till 10 years is up, he said no one will ever max it out and this is why.
if you judge the first year even of the ps3 you are dumb to judge the r3ality of what ps3 is truely capable of, this is why i also laugh at the pc fans that say that crysis isnt possible on ps3, that is about as funny as saying bush won the presidential election fairly.
now the only reason that we currently dont have any game on the ps3 that you can truely say is a generational leap is because sony thereselves are holding back, i can GUARANTEE there are things behind closed doors in developement and testing for the ps3 that will nock your socks off one of which is killzone 2 no developers have found it within them to invest 20 million+ dollars on a game for ps3 but think in order to make cutscene graphics in game you would also have to invest the same type of money that you would for the initial cutscene or whatever it cost to make a hollywood movie, now even after the RSX and Cell merger sony went even one step further and added a next gen movie format this will ensure that ps3 will break into the 4d era with force, so with all do respect ps3>>>supercomputer because it has a supercomputer, a mega gpu(that is highly underestimated as some modified geforce something gpu but i would doubt that since it IS a CUSTOM graphic chip that already has a computing performance of 1.8tflops) and then has the Blue Ray disk player oh and why in a million years do you think that sony not only put a blue ray player in the ps3 but put every ps3 game on a blue ray disk as well, duh to acheive cutscene/movie and then even 4d graphics in the future games for the ps3, microsoft was thinking good graphics just not next gen graphics, Glitches of Ware may do it for you but that just aint next gen for me more like middle gen and it did max out the 180 and i do also have proof of that Epic games even said they exceeded the systems power limit, bill gates stated "glitches of ware is what the 180 is built for.", the timeframe that the game was developed and released come on think about the timeframe there was a playable version of the game on nearly finalized 180 hardware and it looked pretty good but watch this, remember the game was initially supposed to be released on
on the release date of the 180, why was the game pushed back nearly 1 year for extra developement when in e3 2005 the Epic team said the game was what 60 or 80 percent finished? and why was the game not all that much better looking than the e3 2005 trailer? Short answer the machine was maxed out probably well before the release date of the 180 they were just polishing up the game and adding features to the game that is all the graphics were complete.
the only other reason that the motorstorm, resistance titles that were released didnt meet the target renders is because those were cutscene level graphics and were impossible to meet in that time with the budget of either titles, but i have a question for you what developer do you know of that is familiar with supercomputer hardware other than guerilla games and especially for video games they are only use to working with normal pcs to design the games, but the cg films are designed by an entirely different team of people using supercomputer hardware and it cost legions of money to make a cutscene at say final fantasy 12 and 10 and even 8 and 7 level, this is why it is extremely hard to bring out the true graphic power of ps3 sony built the system to darn advanced for the current time, say if the system came out in 2008 mid year the launch games would look better than killzone and i said launch games i repeat, but until developers minds and understanding can meet ps3s technology and the minds of sony then you wont truely ever see the true possibilities of the ps3.
now on the subject of saying that sony lied i dont think so here are the reasons:
1. To much at stake this time, sony is banking the success of their company on the success of the ps3, i would highly doubt that they would lie this time around the ps3 has a sorta slow start, it will catch up and in a bigger way than you think when developers exploit some of ps3s real power, but a lie from sony this time from sony could result in instant loss.
2. WAY to much money invested into the ps3. Sony has invested over 40 billion dollars on the ps3 alone, and now will invest another couple billion on rumble back in the controller would you invest that much money on a lie. Microsoft hasnt invested anywhere near this much money on the 180 to this day, infact they are taking your money live still cost money; on the second weakbox. Lesson from sony (greed gets you no where)
3. WAY to much developer money invested into the ps3 Guerilla Games for example 22 million in the first year of the ps3, Final Fantasy ??,???,??? then Eight Days ??,???,??? then Metal Gear ??,???,??? then Drakes Fortune ??,???,???. Point being they must no much more about what the machine is capable of to invest this much money into the ps3 in the baby years of the ps3.
4. To much industry money invested into the ps3 IBM the cell processor the next generation of their supercomputer on a chip all betting on the ps3, Toshiba also with there blue ray player although it is a joint developement with sony and toshiba still way too much money.
5. TOO much prooven in the baby infant days and months of the ps3 with games and tech demos showing never before seen things that usually happen in a cutscene and only in the first 6 months come on man give it up already.
6. If sony is lying then IBM, NVIDIA, TOSHIBA, and SONY are all lying so that is too much lying and could put all these industries in a dilema of their former market dominace and position.
7. To much trash talk last generation. Remember last generation in every magazine the original weakbox had a better graphic rating than the ps2, sony wasnt going to have it this time they decided we aint just gonna dominate with games this time, every area will be consumed by us.
and lastly
8. The planning and preparation of the ps3. Sony along with IBM, TOSHIBA, and NVIDIA planned ps3 in a timeframe in which ps2 was still in its prime and that was about 7 years and some change ago now keep in mind this was not the planning that was done for the ps2 that was hardly any time and the
y didnt know what to expect from weakbox 1 this time they were prepared for not only the next weakbox but pcs to, keep in mind that the majority of these hardware desighners are japanese and japanese are arguably the smartest people on earth and i know that because everything in their city's are more advanced than ours, they have also come up with a supercomputer on a chip something microsoft will never do now planning for that long by geniouses the results are not pretty.
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9. The hardware is practically everything to make a movie and more and with the tools to convert movie into realtime:
- supercomputer
- RSX (REALITY SYNTHESISER, meaning to blend make something better than previously availible like the fusion technique with goten and trunks to make gotenks, or goku and vegeta to make veggeto. (X unknown)
- Blue Ray (Next Gen Movie format
duh you have no choice to make 4d with this kinda power it is greater than a supercomputer.
so if you believe that anything is cg it is probably running in realtime on ps3 matter a fact it is realtime, just look at the UCAP rendering tiger woods on the ps3 check it out on youtube, and also Railfan. And if any cutscenes were made for ps3 the ps3 created the cutscenes on its own hardware because it has the necessary tools to do so.
SO to wrap things up if a 180 fan tell you that the 180 is more powerful or can do better graphics than the ps3, and even a pc fan tells you the same about their pc, excuse them but i dont forgive them for taking meth or crystal meth as the cops call it or maybe they are wishing that the specs of the ps3 was equall with the 180. I will give you advice stop trying to compare the 180 with ps3 why compare middle gen with next gen after next gen you would truely have a better comparison with graphics with pc, or maybe even wii but please get off the 180 and ps3 comparisons cause this will get ugly soon starting at youtube then even at E3 especially.
I know that even after my post some 180 fan will come behind me an come up with a crackhead excuse or an explanation from some fake tech analyst or something that they just heard or maybe from the specs on paper why they really dream that the 2 machines are equal but the thing is one is middle gen and 1 is a next next gen technological advancement that took long hard planning and money, to assure you that you will get graphics that are the next next level in graphics i know i have my facts and 180 fans have trash talk that is a tall tale from a fake tech analyst that will cry when his assumption is crushed by R3ality station 3 that will be the turn in the next gen war because people you are going to be the source of 180 failing, because you make the two systems seem equal when that is incredibly impossible especially when you consider this how do you figure that two machines could come out in two seperate developements over that many years to be exactly or only a little more power than the other that is very highly unlikely, the thing is microsoft just threw something together, sony on the other hand aimed high so high to build a machine that would never max out but built a machine that is so powerful that its power grows during its lifecycle and i aint talkin about the updates that are going to be on PSN but just the ingenious design of the ps3 go ahead be dumb enough to believe the machines are equal but remember one is a console and one is b3yond a supercomputer basically a MEGA COMPUTER, the thing is even if they were equal the ps3 is going to be making a completely different type of graphics than the 180 heres how it goes down the ps3 can do what the halo 3 cg trailer does ingame, but the 180 can only do what is after the cg trailer that is why these machines are different.
one other thing that i dont get about you 180 fans is that back in e3 2005 there was a complete silence from all of you because the generational leap that there IS from the ps3 and 180 but for some reason after the launch of the ps3 you have some kind of way figured that the power gap has changed, but you are right the gap has changed, but the other way around ps3 becomes stronger as the ps3s lifecycle goes on so the gap of power has gotten stronger in addition to the finalized ps3 hardware being even stronger than sony anticipated, remember the graphics from e3 2005 like killzone, motorstorm, killing day, fight night 3 (terribly downgraded thanks to weakling 180 hardware that is not built for cutscene graphics in game), LUNA, and I-8 (didnt live up to the trailer thanks to insomniac's low budget for the game, also small developement team, short developement time, rushed to meet launch window, and to much implimentation of physics and whatever else like the online), same with motorstorm those graphics were impossible to meet with the low budget set for the game and developement time and dev team, also at the time of each of these games there was no EDGE tools, but since guerilla games is pushin 22 million you would be sure to expect a game even greater than the e3 2005 trailer. so just keep that in mind
developers have to first catch up with ps3s technology that sony was so smart to put such futuristic hardware in the machine, then you will see games so great that the ps3 vs. 180 comparisons WILL cease completely because the graphics that the machine was built for will be comming out
Oh my what a sony fanboy, kevin you are wrong xbox 360 is more powerful if you do the research you would know that instead of just saying what sony said anyway just you wasted your time, like I said before can't wait to check out this game that can't be done on pos3, bluray LOL. Here are the specs to prove my point.
sony lied again
Microsoft has the most powerful platform again, after doing a little research sony lied in their press release when ps3 was first shown back in 2005 claiming over 2 teraflops, the ps3 is less than 6 gigaflops, the 360 is the first game console released to reach 1 teraflop, and the polygon power for the ps3 which sony never released is 333 million polygons per second while 360 as some already know is 500 million polygons per second, with all of that said the ps3 will still produce amazing looking games, below are the specs for the ps3 GPU.
Here are the official RSX specs,
Looks like the RSX does more Shader Operations than the Xenos. The RSX is pretty strong!
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500 MHz G70 based GPU on 90 nm process
300 milllion transistors total
Multi-way programmable parallel floating-point shader pipelines
Independent pixel/vertex shader architecture
24 parallel pixel pipelines
5 shader ALU operations per pipeline per cycle (2 vector4 and 2 scalar (dual/co-issue) and fog ALU)
27 FLOPS per pipeline per cycle
8 parallel vertex pipelines
2 shader ALU operations per pipeline per cycle (1 vector4 and 1 scalar, dual issued)
10 FLOPS per pipeline per cycle
Announced: 74.8 billion shader operations per second theoretical maximum ( ((5 ALU x 24 pixel pipelines) + (2 ALU x 8 vetrex pipelines)) x 550 MHz )
Calculated: 68 billion shader operations per second theoretical maximum ( ((5 ALU x 24 pixel pipelines) + (2 ALU x 8 vetrex pipelines)) x 500 MHz )
Announced: 1.8 TFLOPS (trillion floating point operations per second)
Calculated: 364 GFLOPS ( ((27 FLOPS x 24 pixel pipelines) + (10 FLOPS x 8 vertex pipelines)) x 500 MHz )
8 Render Output units
24 filtered and 32 unfiltered texture samples per clock
Maximum vertex count: 1 billion vertices per second (8 vertex x 500 MHz / 4)
Maximum polygon count: 333.3 million polygons per second (1 billion vertices per second / 3 vertices per tirangle)
Maximum texel fillrate: 12 gigatexel per second fillrate (24 textures x 500 MHz)
Maximum pixel fillrate: 16 gigasamples per second fillrate using 4X multisample anti aliasing (MSAA), or 32 gigasamples using Z-only operation; 4 gigapixels per second without MSAA (8 ROPs x 500 MHz)
Maximum Dot product operations: 33 billion per second
128-bit pixel precision offers rendering of scenes with high dynamic range imaging
128-bit memory bus width to 256-MiB GDDR3 VRAM
Memory clock: 1.3 GHz (650 MHz × 2)
Maximum bandwidth bitrate: 20.8 GB per second
Support for a superset of DirectX 9.0c/API and Shader Model 3.0
S3TC
where is your so called facts I got the real facts I got specs what do you have, you are a typical sony fanboy.
You think those posts actually mean anything? It's the same cut and paste BS you post here time and time again, only one after another this time. It's just brainless waffle from an imbecile who goes by the name of Kevin.
All you show in your posts is that you're an insecure, childish, backward Sony fanboy. So please, do go on, at least your posts give us something to laugh at around here.
how do you know so much the graphics on the first line of ps3 look better than the 180s in its first gen you know that is sad considering the ps3 aint being used in the same way it was built also if the 180 aint maxed out then why do the ps3 do the same games run so quiet on the ps3 but the 180 sounds like a motor or a plane engine oh yeah that really is powerful and why is it that microsoft is desperately trying to buy into playstation original exclusives where is your proof where did you get these specs havent seen these on any websites they are proving this time around that they are telling the truth and even if the specs for the rsx are correct that you gave do you truely think sony would show you everything about it it IS a custom graphics chip and also where did you ever get the ps3 not being at 2 tflops but you are right at this point in time the power is much higher than 2 tflops and if 180 is so powerful why isnt it running supercomputer applications, all the while ps3 is being used for medical research and if you ever know how powerful each of those computers are you know that for a single ps3 to replace all of them it is an extremely powerful machine, please when has the 180 ever been more powerful than the ps3 the 360 wont even be more powerful than the ps3 when it comes out in 2010 because ps3s power wont end leave your fantasy land like i said even if the two machines start out equal (which is extremely way off) after the rsx and cell merger that is done and dissapears completely like i said sony is not in the possition to lie this time around and i havent seen them turn back from their original statement like i said the ps3 WILL make the 4d era and the 180 will make 3.3d that is all and that has already been done with glitches of ware get outta the fantasy land and magical dream land where all your fantasy wishes come true, because you are making a statement that microsoft WILL NOT come thru with, if you want what you said to be true start praying now to stop the future. that is the only way for you and the 180 there is no other way, miracles do happen the 180 has about as much chance of having more graphic power than ps3 as bush has of winning another presidential election please give up false hope and false facts i have proof and you have an opinion and hope and even a wish that wont happen ever good bye
It must really hurt to find out that the 360 is equally as powerful as the PS3, and given the amount you've posted here...IT REALLY DOES HURT YOU.
LOL! I bet you had tears in your eyes as you put those posts together.
Geezus Kevin. Sure, support your favourite console, there's nothing wrong with that, but you're so far up Sony's a*** that only your feet are showing.
I'm a Sony fan but your posts are just embarrassing. You remind me of the office creep who everyone hates becauses of the way he sucks up to the boss... "oh yes sir, you are soooo right sir, you really are sir, you can do no wrong sir, you are perfect sir, I love you sir".
You are to Sony what Smithers is to Mr Burns. LOL!
What a creep! :)
you are right the 360 that is comming out in 2010 is almost as powerful as the ps3 out now maybe
where did you get your research again crystal meth dot com that is the only place i could see your facts comming from, the thing that i cannot understand is that your writtings are nowhere near as large as mine and howd you figure that the ps3 was only at 6 gigaflops no you are a giga crackhead if it only had that power then how could it run its own internet, have a virtual world for its online in fully 3d rendering, folding home aww 180 cant do it its not a supercomputer at all, gears of war exceeded what your machine can do, 500 polygons ahh the ps3s RSX can do way more than that alone not to mention when Rsx merged with the cell can do this is why the ps3 will never max out the 180 already has anyway, howd you figure sony lied i have 9 extremely heavy points to how i dont believe sony would lie this time around and howd you figure i was hurt the only way that 180 could be equal with the ps3 is with a magical lamp, dream world, PRAYER, world tragedy, time warp to 2010 when the 360 comes out, fantasy land, or just if you dipped the ps3 in some water take out the cell and the rsx step on them then place them back in the ps3 then the 180 may be as powerful as the ps3, i really want to hit det weed you smokin when you state the two machines are equal or 180 is more powerful, what do you smoke wit snoop you on det killa, i have a question; if the 180 is so powerful and equal or even more powerful than the ps3 then why isnt the 180 being used in folding home, medical research, raytracing, and many other things such as ucap that you can check out the realtime cg synthesis rendering tiger woods in realtime on ps3 something that already exceeded your 500 million polygons and its only a tech demo, the thing is you havent seen the tech demos if you had you would know me or sony aint lyin and i do have proof, also why is the cell a state of the art developement meaning (technological advancement) and nothing on the 180 is at all? ill tell you why because the equal in ps3 with the 180 never existed it is a figment of your imagination, oh and 333 million polygons wow Lair surely greatly exceeds that and your 500 million i wouldnt even truely put crysis past LAir, but there will be games before the end of the year that will stamp crysis, another game that was suposed to be not possible on the ps3 that was also a joke the one reason i can think of that ps3 cant run crysis or splinter cell *****tion is because that stuff aint really next gen you may think crysis is but does it look like a cutscene in game, and there is no time that i have ever seen the game and said wow there is no way that can be real, and also for the *****cell *****tion looks ok for a middle gen game but not close to a cutscene so i dont find it hard for the game to be run on middle gen hardware, now the thing is ps3 is made for cutscene in game, and things even greater than cutscene so it really matters not even if the gpu was weak or it could only produce 333 million polygons cutscenes dont use polygons that is why the gpu in the ps3 aint very important in reguards to the system power but it was added as an extra to push graphics into greater depts of 4d like i said the GPU counts 9 times on 9 seperate processors the ending result could be a gen after next gen and also like i said the ps3 power grows as the lifecycle goes on which will not end in all accounts the ps3 has so much power it could be the ps4, and also if the 180 is as powerful as ps3 show me an internet running on the 180, or linux, or fedora core, or windows and thats sad cause that IS microsoft and the 180 cant run it so next time you have research identify your research please do tell
and another thing i cant think for myself thats why i just write and write with bad grammar bad spelling and few punctuations because thats anything more is too much for my little brain to cope with so by typing all this crap i think im making a point even though noone will read it properly not even ps3 fanboys because its all so stupid but i dont care because im a kid with no common sense and i dont know how to contruct an arguement or make a point using a few sentences and paragraphs because i believe that by simply saying as much as i can in a big block of text i can drown out all arguements even though most will skip over the text and read posts from gamers with brains but like i said i dont care because i have no life which is why i save my posts on my computer and cut and paste them to make my replies because i worship the ps3 and even make love to my ps3 because the ps3 is better than a girlfriend except it can get sticky but nothing some tissues cant deal with and the 180 cant compete with the ps3 for sex and i know because ive tried and it sucks but hey look at me i can type and type and no one can stop me whohoo i fell so powerful i feel great and i need it cause im such a loser in real life but i dont need friends cause the ps3 is my friend and i will die defending it and i dont have to make sense cause i dont have any sense i dont understand the hardware but i believe everything sony tells me and thats good enough for me and i believe everything ps3 fanboys tell me and that good enough for me and that why i cant even argue about splinter cell proerly cause facts dont matter for me only defending the ps3 matters to me in fact if my house was burning i would save my ps3 first before any family cause thats how much it matters to me and if that makes me a bad person then who cares cause i dont answer to god the ps3 is my god
I made one mistake ps3 total less than 600 GFLOPS not 6GFLOPS, sorry kevin, but xbox 360 is 1 TFLOP that is a more than 400 GFLOPS more so xbox 360 still more powerful
You summed him up perfectly.
this is the best looking stop hating that is why pos3 can't handle it, pos3 looks like the system thats maxing out not 360. LOL
you are the funniest 180box is the best when is the 360 commig out march 2010 yeah sounds about right
MR.SMITHERS
I am on crystal meth excuse me for my terrible behavior i am a gay rapist and i know you can tell because i copy peoples words and try to sum up behind someones true facts i am ugly really ugly as a matter a fact i come on ps3 disscusions and i even sign up for ps3 sites to down talk the machine that is light years ahead of my own and even its predocessor i lie to suck people outta buying the ps3 by stating that my weakling machine is more powerful than the ps3 but i dont know what i will do when e3 comes how will i cover up these claimes that i made i have totaly made up many claimes that my machine cannot deliver even with the power of 3 of them combined and also in the later years when the ps3 has games that greatly exceed killzone 2 i will surely not be able to dig *****soft otta this hole man oh how much trouble i will be in although there is someone that studies his sources and is extremely smart in supercomputer developement and in technological advancement i still will try to sway consumers and ps3 fans that my machine is more powerful than the ps3 although he has all the proof in the world i will use crazy excuses repeatedly in terms such as multiplayer games look better on my machine than the ps3 although that is not the kind of graphics that the ps3 is made for doing it is not made for middle gen graphics and even when killzone 2 does come out and trumps the trailer this year at e3 i will be dumbfounded and still try to sway people that my machine can by some miracle produce these graphics also (in a cutscene maybe) i have dug a great deep hole for *****soft this time i try to bring up a point in how sony lied over and over again but although this time sony has extremely valid reasons why they wouldnt lie this time which someone already stated 9 strong reasons in previous post but i will bring them up anyway but i still dont understand my mind is so weak i have serious side effects from the large doseage of crystal meth i dont know that the only reason sony seemed as if they lied with the ps2 is that they overestimated there hardware but then again are they the ps3 still is producing grapics that were not seen when the machine first came out so i dont know were they lying and i dont know i talk trash about the first release game like they are maxing out the machine although no one has or ever will push enough money to max out the machine but i talk trash as if sony lied in e3 2005 like they woulda truely been able to meet those graphics at launch that woulda completely embarassed my machine but we were spared until e3 2007 and also although microsoft launched their glitches of ware on nearly the release date of the ps3 i dont get the concept of why they did it because they (microsoft) knew that sony wouldnt be able to achieve those graphics at launch but i will still talk trash i dont have a girl so i will only state false hope and comments to boost my machines sales i also dont realize why glitches of ware exceeded what my machines capacity is and i dont know not to expect a second glicthes of ware but i will only talk trash i will still do meth i dont also understand why microsoft is trying to buy into games that would originaly be sony exclusives but i dont know also that that would eliminate the ps3 from truely showing its power oh well my weak machines hardware contrains ps3s power and multiplatform games can also look better on my machine because my machine is middle gen and the ps3 is next gen and cant understand such weak games from my machine so is having trouble dont worry ill be back after hitting some meth then i will talk more trash the same trash and it will be affedtive to fans so dear to my machine known as weakbox 180 by *****soft
How predictably boring you are now. Always the same kind of posts that nobody appreciates.
You are obviously no more 15 years old, probably 12 or 13, because you are extremely immature in ALL of your posts, such that I can't decide whether you're a very unintelligent adult or just a kid seeking attention.
I think it's probably the later, but I could be wrong.
You post like this because you are afraid of taking part in an intelligent conversion. You are afraid because you know that in a normal discussion, your lack of knowledge, lack of experience or simply your lack of intelligence will become obvious to anyone who reads your posts.
That's not a problem for those who have a little backbone, you know, strength of character and a tendency towards courageousness. They know they're not the smartest, they know they don't always have the facts, they know they may be wrong, but they are still happy to make their opinions known in a MATURE and INTELLIGENT manner and can disagree without insulting people, products or companies.
So go ahead Kevin, I know you think it doesn't matter here, and perhaps it doesn't, but I always post in such a way that I wouldn't be ashame for my friends and family to know it's me and to read what I've said. I doubt you can say the same. Your posts are nothing to be proud about. :|
actually i am 18 i aint the one making the insulting comments the 180 fans did first before ps3 even came out
whatever I say this is the best looking I have seen so far this gen, you guys can feel the way you want.
yea he is either a kid or a desperate sony fanboy who will say anything even if its a lie to make ps3 look better than 360
maybe he aint a liar, but his truth and proof hurts dont it
Xbox is the best proves that he is blind~
They make crappy unoptimised ports for the PS3.
Yes they are F'in lazy... Its all about the $$$
Ubi are turning into the next EA
They could spend some time optimising things for PS3. As you know the 360 has a 3 core CPU. The PS3 has 7 SPEs instead - making it a multi-threaded CPU. So to fully utilise it - and hence make the game run smooth/pretty/well/whatever you want, instructions should be split among the SPEs, as opposed to shoved through the 3 cores. I'm sure there's some extra work involved there....
Yes, with proper coding, any game possible on the 360 is possible on the PS3, I'm sure it works both ways too - except for storage medium issues but thats something that can be fixed with multiple discs. Sure, there may be some sacrifices here and there but it should in NO WAY be like the trash that Ubisoft ports out for PS3. (Yes I'm lookin at you SC:DA)
YA x box suckes ***** so it would suck on x box. 360 would take the chance to have a sucky game but ps3 wants games that are going to work wellon it.
PS3 is better than the CRAP BOX dumb ass