You shut up

As long as it doesn't start happening on too many titles it wont be much of a problem. If you had to install every second title, you would get to the point where you're required to clean or upgrade your hard drive. Then do you keep that 5GB of DMC4 data on your drive so that if you want to play it 6 months down the track you dont need to sit through another install? And if you do need that 5GB for something else, once you've cleared it off will the install put you off playing those old games again? The install process might be ok when the game is refresh, but when it's an old title you've played personally I couldn't be f**ked.

enough said

well , installations are ok if really benefit from them. comparision of devil may cry, from various gamingsites showed, there arent really big differences in loading times. the xbox version without install took only several seconds longer.

install should stay optional or the gamedevelopers should find solutions like streaming stuff or so.



for gods sake its a console, put in the game and play. this new direction all this stuff goes is totally wrong to me. there were times of plug n play. no installations, no patches , no DLC.

but certain.



Hope we see more of Drake and Sulli

I agree. Especialy since MOST of the reasons people claim it's "rediculous" are made up and fictional.



Like the whole, CONSOLES SHOULD BE PLUG AND PLAY.



Installing files doesn't make the console any less plug and play! Otherwise, PSN handled that all on it's own.

There will probably be some game where it is simply not possible to play without installing... As games get more graphically intense, the PS3 will need to load more data in the same amount of time.



So the only answer to this is really to increase data transfer speeds (something which applies to the hard drive, too)



And I disagree with the PC argument as a whole... the PC has to install programs to make it registered with the operating system and all of the drivers that the computer has, among other things. The PS3 "install" is more of a relocation of data (as I understand it). Sure, reads speeds are faster when you compare the hard drive to the CD/DVD drive, but for a PS3, it would be possible to run the game without installing, whereas with a computer, it is absolutely mandatory. I dont feel that the PC argument applies in this case because it concerns such a limited aspect of what were dealing with.



But in regards to taking it over to someones house, that exact same thing happened to me... I didnt want to install DMC4 on my uncle's PS3 because of the load times. Too much of a hassle for too short of a time.



But overall, I'd rather deal with the "install" time, because im planning on popping a 320 in there sooner or later, because i have 1 Gig left out of 60 at the moment, and most of it isnt game.

its less plug and play. I mean It's not like the N64 or gameboy how you just pop somthing in and play (like I said, games arent that simple anymore). But still its not that big of a deal waiting a couple of minutes then playing a great game with low load times.



But nothing is really plug and play anymore nowa days so I don't see why people are complaining.

Since when does a bonus for something sucks a-s-s? MCS you're killing me with your anti-Wii opinons !!!



Nevertheless, good point...

I still don't see your point. You put the disc in and you select it from the menu. That's as PnP as you can get unless you want to remove the menu in order to call it PnP. But if that's the case then HDD install or not these new consoles wouldn't be PnP at all so once again saying the HDD install takes away from PnP is bunk.



Aside from a button press there is NOTHING the user has to do except wait and only the first time.



So far the ONLY valid disadvantages that have been brought up are:



1. HDD space.

2. (new to this thread) Lack of time when taking your game to another console.

"Just like how its a "disadvantage" to bring the game to a friends system and you have to wait for the install, its the same exact thing when you put the game in yours (you still have to wait)."



See the word you quoted? That word has a meaning. That words meaning is not, "to make less PnP". Just because something is a disadvantage (TO YOU), doesn't mean it's making something less or not PnP. The console is still 100% PnP. Plug it in, put in your game, play it. If you want to argue that pressing ONE EXTRA BUTTON is making the PS3 less or not PnP then be prepared to be disagreed with by a massive amount of people.



"Just like my example before, when you pop in a gameboy game"

Yeah, I addressed that. I also asked you a question about it's intent. Are you trying to use that example to show that a cart loads a game and a game only and instantly? Like I said, if that's your example then the PS3, Xbox, 360, Wii, PSP...any other console with a menu, ACCORDING TO YOU, is not PnP. With that said, HDD loading has NOTHING to do with these units not being PnP at that point. They already weren't PnP based on your "example".

"I never said anything about menu's, so I'm not really sure where you got that from."

Because you are trying to give an apple as an example of an orange and the only way to make ends meet is bring up the seeds. The play scheme difference between a GB and PS3 is the fact that one of them has no menu system. Turn on the GB and poof you are in the game. Turn on the PS3 and you first have to select the game.



"If you read my last couple of posts I'm saying that you have to wait to install (and I'm pretty sure if you bought your favorite game and had to wait 20min. for an install you'd think its a disadvantage also, along with a lot of people)."



You just did it again! You are now using the word "disadvantage" over and over and over again instead of the term PnP.



No, I don't think it is. But then again I can afford a new HDD if I plan to have TONS of games loaded at the same time.



The biggest problem is, people are used to what they HAD. They don't realize the PS3 is something DIFFERENT. It's a REAL NextGen unit. Unlike the Xbox v1.5 (360). When the next Xbox is released with a real HD drive people are going to quickly realize that gaming is changing and they HAVE TO treat their gaming experiences differently.



"but that one time that it does is less PnP than others"

Do you even know what PnP is? PnP does NOT in ANYWAY refer to wait times. PnP play means NO configuration, NO setup, NO user input. Waiting for files to copy (of which you don't even have to do anything to start) is NO MEASURE of PnP.



Fact - when you put your game in and tell it to play....pause.....it plays. ZERO setup.



The fact that the game AUTO installs itself is the VERY definition of PnP.



You plug it in, do NOTHING and it plays.



Just because you find the initial wait time a disadvantage doesn't do anything to negate the fact that the PS3 is PnP.



You can't use the word disadvantage to negate PnP.

I think they a little install on the hard disk on the first loading and during the game becose if you see he yellow light is always flashing, and when you stop playing it delete everything.