The PS3 is so powerful, it can drive a car

Posted Aug 5, 2007 at 4:13PM by QJ Staff Listed in: PS3 Tags: DARPA, IBM, infrared, Linux, Sony, Yellow Dog Linux

Just how powerful is the Sony PlayStation 3 game console? We know for a fact that it can produce cutting-edge sound and graphics at a whim. We already know that it can help doctors fight tumors. Now we're about to find out that it's good enough to drive a car atop Colorado's Pike Peak.

Yep, and we're not talking about doing it in a racing game. We're dead serious when we say that you can take the back seat and the console will guide a car effortlessly when partnered with GPS, infrared cameras, stereo cameras and Yellow Dog Linux.

At the center of it all, of course, is the Cell processor which we've heard all too well about. Based on the same technology that fires up IBM's Power PCs, the Cell uses its mathematical muscle to do all the complex calculations at lightning-fast speeds to effectively pull off the automotive feat.

Racing's renowned team Axion will showcase this incredible development in the upcoming DARPA Challenge sponsored by the US Government. At stake is US$ 2 million to be won.

Axion has come close to winning the contest twice before as they ranked sixth a few years back and finished in at third in their last outing. Autonomous driving has always been their cup of tea but this time they want to add a little sugar to their spice by throwing in the high-end game console to the repertoire.

"We felt having cars drive themselves was getting a little too easy, so we threw the Sony PlayStation into our bag of tricks," says Axion team leader Bill Kehaly as he jokes around with the idea. The DARPA Challenge takes place on the 3rd of November in a venue yet to be announced.

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Comments

# Retarded — Guest 2007-08-05 11:53

This is just retarded, pointless, stupid, and a waste of a PS3.

# the question is... — Guest 2007-08-05 12:09

so, why do the games suck that bad? i want my ps3 to play games not toperform complex calculations which i dont care of

# hmm — Guest 2007-08-05 12:12

ok but the 360 can probably do the same but for $200 cheaper.

and for the people who dont seem to understand what people say, i am taking the piss

# fine — Guest 2007-08-05 12:19

so you have a problem just because people want to see the potential of the ps3?

# ... — Dyssident 2007-08-05 12:22

By the way, this is the only PS3 with Rumble

# umm — Guest 2007-08-05 13:13

yea who said that people are actually gonna use this in cars? Even if it was an option, we know that many people only use the default setup of a car

# SO TRUE — Guest 2007-08-05 13:44

SUPER REAL LIFE RUMBLE.

# no — Guest 2007-08-05 13:51

um 360 is not as powerful as ps3. Maybe it could guide you on a straight highway but not on a mountain. otherwise this article would say PS3 and 360 so powerful it can drive a car. And btw a 60gb ps3 is only $100 more than a normal 360 (core pack don;t count cuz its *****)

# Brings a whole new meaning to 3 rings of death :) — Guest 2007-08-05 14:13

Assuming the 360 could scrape by with enough processing power

# HAHA — Guest 2007-08-05 15:08

PS3 car ---> Drives car without human on mountain highway.

Xbox360 ---> Drives car on mountain suddenly scrapes the DVD ,ring of death, and crashes car off the hill. hhaha xbots just don't comment on this, it's just something people like to play around with so chill out. Amazing how people want to do more interesting things with a ps3 then an xbox340. And for the morons saying no games there's plenty to play with you just want to pick on the unit because you're stuck with your xbox350.

# omg — Guest 2007-08-05 15:20

omfg i was taking the piss out of what the xbox fanboys used to say, it was always along the lines of. 360 is just as powerfull as ps3 but $200 cheaper .

# ............. — Guest 2007-08-05 15:37

Xbox270 would just overheat with the ring of death and drive over the cliff. The person inside would be saying to themself, I had to choose the cheaper one, why didnt I pick the one without screwups.

# No... — Shatterdome 2007-08-05 15:41

360 could also do this (in theory). The thing is, it doesn't have linux on it and MS doesn't sell the chips. So people have no way to even try....but, it's a game console after all. Even 1 TFLOP is enough for this.

These guys would be better off getting a Cell blade from IBM to do this though....

Also if it went to the consumer level, where cars were built with this, do you think they would be sticking PS3's in the trunk to do the calculations ? No, it would just be a computer running on a Cell....

# WTF?? — Guest 2007-08-05 16:03

By my recollection the original article stated the PS3 would be controlling ONE CAMERA ON THE CAR. Not the whole car..

# why games suck — Guest 2007-08-05 16:41

I think its because developers didn't want to develop games for the over priced console, in 2008 there is a great lineup of games and hopefully a $499 price drop that will stay (it will stay if Sony is smart and wants the increase in sales)

# ... — Guest 2007-08-05 16:57

i guess this concerns less of the ps3 more rather the cell. Think about it, in 5 years or something when they make cell mobile we can implement it in a GPS or something. It'd be kinda cool, a gps that drives for you.

# TRUST THE XBOX 360 — Guest 2007-08-05 17:12

I don't think i would trust the xbox 360 to auto-drive my car, it would overheat and die in the middle of the freeway.

# So Sad — Guest 2007-08-05 17:29

I think this is a good thing, I mean there are so many PS3's just sitting there on store shelves collecting dust why don't they do this with all the cars in the U.S. I mean there is enough PS3 out there doing nothing may as well put them to use.

P.S. MooHaaas05 the 60 gig PS3 is $499.99 after a price drop because it wasn't selling, the core 360 is $299.99, the premium 360 with the 20 gig hard drive is $399.99 and the elite is $479.99 and has 60 more gigs than your PS3 and 20 bucks cheaper in the end

# Are.. — Stealth! 2007-08-05 17:39

You serious. The games don't suck, if some do(which i doubt it) then its the devs fault.

I would rather have a system that has not alot of games and are great than a high library that breaks due to RRoD.

# elite? — Guest 2007-08-05 17:50

For 20 bucks more you still get plenty of hard drive space, you get a Blu-ray player, and you can help cure cancer. Pff, elite... not so much.

# OK First of all — Guest 2007-08-05 17:53

Go F.U.C.K yourself. Second you don't know S.H.I.T what your talking about. Third it's true the Elite is 20 bucks cheaper but it still doesn't have built in Wi-Fi, HD-DVD and the HDMI they put in was 1.2. And they didn't even bother to use the 65nm processors so it will still overheat and die like the old ones. Besides I can just put in any Hard disk into my PS3 including bigger ones than the 120 GB one in the Elite and for cheaper. So technically the 60 GB PS3 is still superior to the Elite. So basically the Xbox360 Elite sucks big D.I.C.K.S just like you.

# Yeah — Guest 2007-08-05 18:46

You are either kidding yourself or you just have no clue how this really works if you say 360 couldn't do this, it could. As could any high-end PC

# Yeah... — Shatterdome 2007-08-05 18:59

It's about Cell, and PS3 is a super cheap way to get ahold of Cell.

Intel Core 2 extremes @ 2.93 GHZ are $1400 canadian just for a CPU...that's two PS3's and a game, which have better CPU's in them (plus everything else)....

But hey, this is the stuff cell was made for. It really could probably drive 3 cars at once....

# also — Guest 2007-08-05 20:00

don't forget the 50$ for Xbox Live. so much for being 20$ cheaper.

# off topic bout comments above — Guest 2007-08-05 22:11

if only we can see more of the said CELL power on ps3 games! for most gamers, sony cannot prove that ps3 cell is more powerful than xbox 360 unless we can totally see it in our ps3 games nuff said!

# they dont show how good the games on ps3 can be — Guest 2007-08-05 22:30

they dont show how good the games on ps3 can be because we dont have no exclusives and they have to limit the games so it can fit on xbox disks

# The powers not in games..? — Guest 2007-08-05 23:04

How bout you go look at a killzone 2 trailer n stfu bout the power of the cell not being in the PS3 games. Some people are just blind if you cant see that the powers being used..

# PS3 graphics > Xbox 360 graphics — Guest 2007-08-05 23:26

I've compared xbox 360 games to PS3 exclusives and PS3 is clearly better.

# that was retarded — Guest 2007-08-05 23:28

"I would rather have a system that has not alot of games and are great than a high library that breaks due to RRoD."

The 360 has a high library that breaks?

When are you going to give up that old, old argument? Then deliver it in a manner that makes you look soooo stupid. It's not even an issue 360 owners care about so why do you?

# Anyone who thinks games don't use the full power of the cell. — Guest 2007-08-05 23:32

They don't not yet. People are just starting to understand the cell. As time progresses games will become more advanced as new programming techniques are developed for the cell.

# hasn't been proven yet — Mister Common Sense 2007-08-06 02:15

They made the contest involving a PS3 so it would be a challenge.

Considering the PS3 can't even come out with a decent driving simulator game for who knows how long, I don't think this contest will be sucessful.

# well yeah it controls cameras and also the car — Guest 2007-08-06 03:42

i think it just uses the cameras and detectors to see where its going and then the ps3 calculates when it needs to turn and such

# so in the movie STEALTH — Guest 2007-08-06 03:44

edi's computer was actually a ps3

# They don't not yet? — Guest 2007-08-06 05:40

Ha! You used a double negative, which means that they do use the full power of the Cell! Just kidding. But i agree with you. i mean, early games never look as good as games that come out close to the end of the consoles life, on any console. Oh yah, and Mister Common Sense is just a troll and the only reason that he says noobish things is to get a reaction out of people. He's got at least 10 comments on every topic, so that just shows you how much of a life he has!

# It's not too much — Guest 2007-08-06 05:44

People,

for a little compare of this news. The Boeing 777 uses computers based on Intel 486 and AMD. So, it's really more difficulty drive a car than pilot an airplane???

Only that, that is the first time of use of a Video Game to drive a car, but it's not because the power of the CELL processor.

# yeah — Guest 2007-08-06 05:46

but unlike elite which overprices its HDD you can easily swap the internal HDD in the PS3 for a much larger one. It also supports SATA.

# Mister Nonsense... — Guest 2007-08-06 05:49

Mister Nonsense... Gran Turismo is the world best driving simulation game, and yet the 5th one isn't out yet, so stop making all these irrelivant comments.

# a — Guest 2007-08-06 06:24

Your a *****ing retard. Driving a jet on computers is much easier than cars. Jets dont have to worry about a boulder being in the middle of a road. Thats why they use such weak processors cause they have no need for more powerfull ones. The cars on the other hand need a powerhouse like a PS3 to process all the information.

# mmmmm — Guest 2007-08-06 06:27

maybe hardware restrictions, sony did say it would be a couple of years before the full potential is unlocked when hackers stop pissing about with it

# Not really — Guest 2007-08-06 06:50

In fact it is. Car is the most difficult transport device to drive by AI. Simply due to the possibility of external object interaction is much much higher then any transport device. Since I have done master level paper in AI. Frankly it's not superising PS3 can do AI drving since real AI base on multi node FFTs. No tree branching as MS suggested, which is only a look up table.

# Read and learn — Guest 2007-08-06 07:02

First of all: You must wash your mouth with soap and then acid to melt your tongue.

Do you know how many parameters is available to process in a Fly by wire system? Parameters like speed, altitude, mach, column, wheel, pedal, sideslip, angle of attack, roll angle, thrust, etc...

Much more parameters and, is very important that: a car is a stable system and a Fly by wire aircraft is instable.

My little and S.T.U.P.I.D boy, learn something before discussion.

# Multi-Asymetric Many Computers on One Chip! — Guest 2007-08-06 09:08

*** Xbox 360 = 3 Symmetric cores, multi-threaded, but still only capable of working on different aspects of same application.

*** PS3 Cell = 9 cores, 1 Symmetrical and 8 Asymmetrical. Capable of running Game OS and 8 completely different Operating Systems working on 8 separate programs not just threads. But over 64 separate threads with over 3000 elements possible.

*** PS3 is compared to a Mini Render Farm and when the first IBM "Gameframe" goes "LIVE" this winter the combined distributed compute power will be approximately 8 PFLOPS making the PS3 "PSN" the most powerful computing entity world has ever seen!

*** Giving each and every PS3 owner the power of the sum total of all the Cell powered devices Worldwide. That's just with Brazil's "Gameframe". Then when we will have Los Alamos Research Lab IBM Hybrid Cell/AMD Gameframe more than doubling that power.

*** So combined with the many Cell Powered Devices that will power everything from "Future Force Warrior Program's" backpack computers, Cell phones, HDTV's, DOD Hybrid Supercomputer, NASA Hybrid Supercomputer, Automobiles, Airport Security Systems with Facial/Voice Recognition, and every PS3; the Cell BE will once and for all dominate our entire electronics Universe for decades.

*** No single computer could ever demonstrate, what this task of actually steering a vehicle up Pike's Peak with shear dropoffs and many many hairpin turns. That's why D.A.R.P.A. has plucked a $2 million prize down for this!

*** In theory the only possible single computer that could accomplish this today, is the Sony PS3! The equivalent in Xbox 360's would need 8 of them to even come close to accomplish this! That's how powerful the Cell BE chip is in it's Mini Render Farm configuration!! !

# Elite Sucks Ass just like Bill Gates — Guest 2007-08-06 09:21

The Xbots always cleverly forget about the hidden Xbox Live fee.

# @ Donkey ***** — Guest 2007-08-06 09:35

The only thing that's gathering dust is your ass from sitting too much in that chair for far too long. So go out get and some sun and go F.U.C.K that piece of S.H.I.T you call a console. And while your at it stand in the middle of the highway so a car can run you over you disgusting piece of S.H.I.T.

# PPL Who Hate Bill Gates — Guest 2007-08-06 10:08

Are you guys MAC users.

# actually...... — Jasper1605 2007-08-06 12:02

that movie was made before the ps3 came out if i'm thinking right. so if that's the case then edi's computer was actually a ps2

if it was a ps3 the world would have been over in the movie lol

# so now the ps3 — Guest 2007-08-06 13:16

can drive a car. Now all it needs to do is learn to trade itself for a Wii and it'd be perfecto!

http://www.gamernewz.net

# the 360 can't handle more than 2 times AA — Guest 2007-08-06 13:59

Whereas the PS3 can handle up to 4XAA...MS originally planned to have the 360 to run games at at least 4XAA, but turns out the penalty is too much on the 360 so the requirement is dropped to 2XAA...and even that poses some problems for the 360

# The world wasn't ready for PS3 — Guest 2007-08-06 14:40

Developers would probably rather make games at the XBOX360's full potential because its easier and it can also be put on the PS3. However, if the developers made games at the PS3's full potential they would have to take stuff out so it would work for the 360 and they would have to provide a phase change cooling system with the game so it won't break the XBOX360 for making it use too much processing power. If microsoft made a console that's actually worthy of being called a Next Gen gaming console then the PS3 wouldn't be bashed but praised for being so cheap for what you get. An XBOX with hardware as powerful as the PS3's would be too expensive for me.

My point is, until another Next Gen gaming console comes out to provide competition at the PS3's Next Gen level then the PS3 will do poorly. In Developers eyes, the XBOX360 is better to make games for because its easier, cheaper, faster, and it can be put on the PS3 no problem.

# lol losers — Guest 2007-08-06 15:01

Wow I love when your mother sucks my ***** 8 the fact that she has no teeth just makes it all the better. I don't even own and xbox or a ps3 or a wii you such a retard i just wanted to come in here and see how man stupid people sit here and argue over a piece of electronics maybe you should go outside and walk for a change and lose some of that fat you tub of lard mean while i make sure you mom keeps busy on my *****

# Wow — Guest 2007-08-06 15:35

You sir, just made yourself look worse than anybody else here. Your grammar is so poor and your assumption that people that play video games must be fat is almost as bad as assuming that African Americans love picnics with fried chicken and watermelon and that Hispanic you saw the other day is from Mexico and just jumped the border. Also, why make a comment on an article of a website that you have nothing to do with? I don't even really play video games that often because I'm too busy with work. I mostly use my PS3 as a Linux PC to check the internet from time to time or to listen to music at night. Oh, the thing with "your mom" sounds like the work of a 6th grader. If you are however an adult by age then sir, I believe that you are the "retard."

# wow.... — Guest 2007-08-06 15:52

you are obviously the one with no life. the fact that you came in as about 3 different people while making no real attemp to hide your obnoxious personallity tells me that you are the one with no life. this isnt so much an arguement as much as it is a debate about future technology. someone weight has nothing to do with any of this and acctually im probably in much better shape than you. its nice how much you talk about getting "dome" and what not but your boasting only screams one thing to me

"im a 12 year old kid that just learned some new words."

do us all a favor and get off the interweb until your mommy says its ok again and let us have a constructive conversation....ARTARD

# so what — Xman 2007-08-06 17:52

the 360 is strong enough to phly a plane!!

# I wonder what if feels like — Guest 2007-08-06 19:33

To be a 10 year old piece of S.H.I.T like Donkey D.I.C.K. Does mommy know that her retarded kid escaped from his ***** filled cage and went on the internet? You have got to stop *****ing your mom while she sleeps otherwise you will never amount to anything in your life oh oops too late. Do the world a favor kid either stop *****ing your mom while she sleeps or kill yourself right now because seriously what the F.U.C.K is up with you. You make no sense at all. Also try to pass the 4th grade already is this your 10th try already. You sir or kid are a gay piece of S.H.I.T loser who will never do anything with his life and you are a waste of space.

# Everybody please ignore — Guest 2007-08-06 19:35

The Disgusting piece of S.H.I.T

# Sorry guys I made a mistake — Guest 2007-08-06 19:40

The truth is I'm the one who sucks ***** everyday. But not just any ordinary ***** it's Bill Gates *****. And yes I'm a 300 pound 40 year old bald virgin. I'm sorry for any trouble I might have caused. Well I have to go the guys are here and tonight it's my turn to get butt raped all night. See ya

# can anyone read? — Mister Common Sense 2007-08-07 01:21

The contest is to try to get a car to drive using a PS3.

IT HASN'T BEEN DONE YET!!!!!!!!! HELOOOO!!!

ANYONE WITH A BRAIN OUT THERE?????

# heh — Guest 2007-08-07 02:46

so you were the last guy and the second to last guy? very clever.....

# stfu — Guest 2007-08-07 03:28

Just play the god damn system you like....... stop fighting over it.

# Please shut up when you don't know what you're talking about — Guest 2007-08-07 06:52

"Capable of running Game OS and 8 completely different Operating Systems working on 8 separate programs not just threads. But over 64 separate threads with over 3000 elements possible."

LOL! Where the hell did you get that from? Go find a single article on the internet that says that! The PS3 has a PPE core which supports 2 threads and each SPE is equivalent to a single thread.

"The equivalent in Xbox 360's would need 8 of them to even come close to accomplish this! That's how powerful the Cell BE chip is in it's Mini Render Farm configuration!! !"

I suggest you go away and do some research instead of pulling numbers out of your sore a$$.

# WRONG — Guest 2007-08-07 06:56

The 360 can support 4xAA almost cost free. THe FACT is, to utilise this feature on the 360, the game engine has to be written from the GROUND UP to support it. You can't just bolt it on to an existing engine.

Hence in future, more and more 360 games will feature 4XAA, and it will achieve this much better and with far less of a performance hit than 4XAA on the PS3.

# wow — Guest 2007-08-07 09:43

Yo what's up Donkey S.H.I.T how's your toothless mom.

# Youth Today — Guest 2007-08-08 05:37

All I have to say is, it shows how adult you all are to try to come back with 5th grade remarks because you can't defend yourselves properly. Oh I'm sorry I don't take 2 minutes out of my time to go through my whole comment before I post. to make sure my grammar is up to your standards oh holy master of knowledge. For you to call me a retard you are filling the same standards of stereotyping as myself. So I will leave you now to play your video games in your parents basement. I have to work and pay for my house, 3 cars and take care of my 2 kids. Hopefully you will grow and do the same thing.

# The only person that needs to grow is you — Guest 2007-08-08 13:43

Ok retard there is a little thing called a reply button you click on that and your comment appears below theirs so you reply to them. Dumbass. oh my aren't we the rich kid in the street wow a house 3 cars ooh. yeah well guess what ***** me too. I'm married, I have a daughter and a job and 2 cars one for the wife and one for me. Now the problem is you don't sound like an adult. You sound like some spoiled little brat especially with your comment about other people's mom sucking you. The one making 5th grade remarks is you. You know what you said about people living in their parents basements applies perfectly to you. You are a loser who has no life so you have to go around trolling pages like this one trying to get some attention. oh and please stop trying to act all grown up because sadly nobody believes you. People just need to read your two original posts to know that you are a troll who has no life so you go around bashing the PS3 because you think it's the in thing to do. So I'm just going to end this by saying if you want people to take you seriously with posts like this you have got to stop trolling otherwise people will never take you seriously. Get a life you loser

# The truth told — Guest 2007-08-11 03:01

I agree with Donkey on this one. It's a sad day when technology such as the one mentioned in this article is wasted on people who have nothing better to do then ***** and moan over ***** size (and by that I mean who has the better console) If any one of you actually worked a day in your lives or even set foot on a college campus you might appreciate the advancements being made in technology to make life easier and more reliable but instead there's a generation of trolls out there let loose on the internet who probably still suckle at their mothers teet. Do yourselves a favor and read a book or something. The internet will be fine with out you for a little while I promise.

# hey — Guest 2007-08-11 16:19

I'm retarded, pointless, and I lick and eat feces with sperm and corn in it.

# I agree with No No No on this one — Guest 2007-08-18 09:01

I mean you only need to read his two earlier posts to see that the only person who is trolling in this article is Donkey Punch. Then he comes in acting all grown up saying a bunch of lies that nobody believes. Which is what the the typical troll now a days does. And Donkey did just that just like a no life troll does.

# Taste — Guest 2007-08-18 14:28

To fake alexxb: how does the corn taste????

# ! :D — Guest 2007-08-18 16:28

every1 knows that a NES can fly a jet and power a maglev train XD

# wtf — Guest 2007-08-23 14:50

ps3news.com

# stfu — exionzero 2007-08-30 00:38

christ; this topic was certainly more of a flame baiter than Id thought it would be;

firstly, xbox fan boys; piss off... if you've got nothing constructive to say then don't say anything; and if you have no interest in the PS3 then stop reading articles on it!

PS3 fan boys; shut the hell up and stop pulling irrelevant stats out of your ass... even in the very unlikely event of you comprehending what the figures mean, most people aren't going to understand them and will ignore them, so shush.

the article is talking about alternative use of technology here... of course a high end PC could undoubtedly do the same thing as a PS3, the article clearly states "We felt having cars drive themselves was getting a little too easy, so we threw the Sony PlayStation into our bag of tricks," ... this is much a publicity thing as it is a challenge set by the team hoping to achieve this feat.

oh, and FYI; a computer would have a harder time driving a car than piloting a plane; which is why most jet liners have had autopilot for years as standard whilst the self driving car is still in its prototype stages...

The PSone had more processing power than it took to put man on the moon (supposedly), a PS3 driving a car isn't that surprising...

but once again I ask fanboys to STFU; this is not a case of "LOLZ, the ps3 can dive a car! its better than the xbox!", until someone develops a car that can be operated by a 360 the argument can't be drawn up...

and its also totally irrelevant; colin mckrae is a better driver than me, but I bet I make a better cup of chai tea than he does! likewise, just because a computer has better driving ability it doesn't mean it outperforms in other areas too...

just my 2 cents.

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