Sony responds to Church of England through BBC news |
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BBC News covered the entire issue, pointing out both sides of the argument. Sony's response stated that while they are taking the concerns posed by the Bishop of Manchester very seriously.
Resistance: Fall of Man is a fantasy science fiction game and is not based on reality. The game is set in an alternate and mythical version of Europe in the 1950s, in which the enemy are strange looking alien invaders seeking to destroy humanity.
Whilst we believe that we have sought and received all permissions necessary for the creation of the game, we will be contacting the Cathedral authorities in order to better understand their concerns in more detail.
How the church will follow through on the matter is not yet known. The Church of England stated in a previous press release that it will be considering legal action if its demands are not met by Sony. That said, watch the video.
Thanks to PSPPICTURETHREAD for spotting this video!
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I say the church can go ***** themselves, no one noticed this until they brought it up, they just want to stir the *****.
"My son was shot and killed" "violent video games are bad" did her son die becuase of violent video games? and killing pixel aliens in a pixel representation of a church, this is fkin dumb
Why should it be pulled off the shelves? Its a game!!!
New game Infernal has you working for the Devil killing Monks who have guns, many parts of the game include churches and.. YOU KILL PEOPLE AND MONKS WHO TRY TO KILL YOU. R:FoM you kill aliens with sci fi guns and in an alternate reality, church = dumb *****s who steal money and con people to donate, i mean look at the fkin size and cost of the land and building they have, sif they need more money, pack of losers
I dont even know y they are a bluddy demonitation of christiananty (church of england)...all they want is money...and they say all catholics wanted was money...hah pathetic. And since when were we aliens man...
And since when were people aliens*
I can't stand these Jack Thompson-like people. I mean seriously, who cares if it's violent, little kids shouldn't be playing it anyways because it's an M(17+) Rated game. The only reason they want to rid the game because they don't think shooting animated aliens in a church is what God would want and it's wrong. Too bad. They can't bring God in the lawsuit anyways, separation of church and state. These bastards need to settle down, honestly. If you can't handle something from a video game then you can't handle life. To all you stupid *****es who blame crimes on video games go get a life. If there were no such things as video games or movies dumb asses would probably be blaming these problems on books...
This is why im athiest. Why could christians even paly this game? i thought they were against killing. Man people are so unfaithful. If they know trheres a church here that means the bishop has played this game +D and has a ps3. WOW EVERY CHRISTIAN NOW GO BUY A PS3. What charges would the church sue sony for? Just because they have "god" on their side they think they're going to win?
***** that church. They just wanna grab shine from somebody else.
Atheism is dumb and so is this argument. So Vincent you are telling me its only christians who are against killing? Please leave God and Christians out of this dumb stupid lawsuit. This is a rediculous case brought on by a rediculous group of Christians. They are not all this crazy. It is so hypocritical of them to go after Resistance but to not go after the 100's of movies that have killing in churches with REAL people in them, not aliens like in Resistance. I would almost say this is a way for this church to get media attention. But yet, all its doing is giving Christians everywhere a bad name.
I'm Christian and I have no problems with the game. That church is just ridiculously stupid. I love Resistance and I have no problems with shooting aliens. People just wanna stop other people from having fun. F*** that church.
i agree with everybody here except asd the church needs to f*** themselves.
This will get thrown straight out of court, and I will be surprised if Sony are not entitled to money for the church wasting public funds and time. I am a christian and I do belive in God, but what I see the church doing is possibly immoral. They are trying to cash in on a possible lawsuit to do what? Keep the money. This game is entirly fiction and is not in anyway based on real life. Therefore it is not theoretically breaking any of the 10 commandments in the Bible. How can the church condem an entire game when they have priests in their churches who are corrupt. Shouldn't they stop being hypocrites and focus on their own problem. Now im sure that Sony will win this, because they will not lets one of their best selling game's be pulled off the shelves.
OMG the world is so out to get Sony.
they are totally ignorant, the priest is saying that they are killing people in the game. You kill chimera/aliens! and the church is used as a place of refuge in the game, which is an ALTERNATE PAST TIMELINE. They are uneducated and simply ridiculous.
was the reporter's name bart simpsons? im too lazy to click the video again haha...
the C of E even find out that their church was in a violent video game? did they play this "violent" video game for themseleves and just happen to find their church in it
Man, This is why I will never go to Europe, I F***ing hate people from there.
Oblivion is far more reality like as u can kill the priest if wanted so whats all this about r-fom just cause it has a church that looks lik the one in manchester f in a holes
stupid tool.....get a life you religious freaks!! so pathetic the church of England Challenging Sony here..... it's only a game for christ sake!!........ I've heard more violence in the god damn bible.
It seems really strange for a church to target that game specifically and so publicly. I mean, it is by no means the first or worst game to have the church in it, seriously, it's such a non-issue its not even funny. A lot of historical war games have battles in churches where you are killing actual people, and movies have done it more than I care to count. Anyone see "Once upon a time in mexico"?
They have several cathedrals??? You kill monsters send by the arch nemesis of their god. Maybe they ran out of money from all those pedophile suits against all those priest. ^__^
Might I say on behalf of the people of Europe that you're welcome not to come here, d!ck. I noted in the news item that the in-game clip didn't actually show that the aliens being shot were crawlers and not even remotely like people.
catholics usually are old fasion and follow what they see is right in the bible(and skip certain parts they deep "not needed"...now CHRISTians try their best to follow in the footsteps of Jesus, so they are the ones that do funraisers for the better good...i never heard of a catholic church helping ppl besides themselfs...anyway christians are very different from catholics...stop trying to group us in the same group please?
The best PS3 game available right now has to be taken of the shelves because apparently other games that came before it didn't have churches on it.(sarcasm) I think a certain software company is telling these people what to do and maybe even paying them and instructing them in what to say to the media.
it was Mark Simpson
Lol I have nothing wrong with RFoM, then again I am only 14, don't go to church every Sunday and don't have religion forced upon me so I wouldn't find it offensive
sony dont owe any apology im somewhat religious but screw a church! there all pretty much corrupt anyway....including this stupid one The Church of England has been accused of covering up child sex abuse carried out by a former choirmaster. Peter Halliday will be sentenced after pleading guilty to sexually abusing boys in Hampshire in the late 1980s...... and who knows what else.......so they can shove it!
I can't stand, nor can I comprehend how stupid people think gamers are. I'm not a 50 cent guy (no offense to those who are) and I'm not interested in most of his work, but in this particular case I refer to a statement he made while protecting his game and with which I totally agree. It was something like: "...If people are able to be influenced towards violent acts and murder, just by playing video-games, they can be influenced by everything..." We gamers are not the stupid creatures. WE ARE NOT THE ONES SHOOTING PEOPLE IN IRAQ. If gamers are by definition murderers, what should we say about Presidents, Presidents like Bush who DO have the blood of innocent people on their hands. In almost every case where some guy shoots someone, people say: "OMFG, he play GT-*****ing-A" "So what?" I say, "He also watched friends on a regular base, just like that previous killer, should we ban Friends perhaps?" Yes, we do play violent games, and yes, by the way, often we are the good guys. But have people ever looked towards the people who promote -or even worser so- fight in wars (for oil?)? No, ofcourse not, because we are easier to blame!
Catholics actually are Christians, and anyway, its the Church of England (not Catholics) in this case. Anyway, i'm a Christian and I dont care about a church being in the game, its just the stupid Church of England trying to get money through a lawsuit
@darkgeekrocker So what? you get the man's (or woman's) point.
Same goe's to you Raven. For all i know you need to eat a burger and go die in a corner whilst "trying" to slit your wrist, though you wasn't man enough to actually pull of the stunt so you decided a Mc***** death was the best for you. Go die. All the best.
okay so first things first "the C of E even find out that their church was in a violent video game? did they play this "violent" video game for themseleves and just happen to find their church in it" this is easy - and the reason i decided to comment! it is funny to me that the church was not complaining when the tech guys from sony/insomnia (whoever) went in and photographed and possibly blue prints of the church, most respectable companies (sony included) will ask (im not sure if its required) if they can take pictures and such of a place like a church. and im sure there was a "donation involved". yet there was no questions asked?? I highly doubt it, most likely the "donation" was sizable enough to warrant "no question" so... why the complaits? my quess - some hyped up parisioner bought the game for there 7YO and saw the church - mentioned it to a priest - who inturn to the bishop - who after (a lot) of prompts (i should imagine) decided it may have been a bad idea.. just my thoughts.... p.s "Catholics actually are Christians, and anyway, its the Church of England (not Catholics) in this case." actually both are variations of paganism - if you must be pedantic
Thats because their people it alien suits, get you facts straight.... :)
i think the church is right and god overpowers sony, so sony... do as the church say's or your production line of ps3's shall turn into a pilar of salt!!!! sony coperation owe an apology to the church because the church has been here a lot longer than sony and is 10 times more powerful
Stupid Thick Sheeyts, I Mean An Obsessed Manhunt Gamer Murdered Someone, And They're Allowed To Release Manhunt 2!! Lol, Stupid, Oh BTW FUUUUK OFF BBC!
these mofo church ppl are 10 time more broke mthrfockr
that is all
Did that church man say the game is about killing people, You kill damn alien *****ers who want to destroy you. If he can't get the game pulled off the shelves he will probably have the level remade into a tea party.
did it seem like they were making it out as if the church plays a big part in the game.
actually catholics are christians in some ways... but theres a difference here... catholics follow pegan traditions too... about praying to mary and saint's... the bible never said anything about prayin to saints... Protestants on the other hand.... we are different from catholics... we follow the bible.. the bible is like the manual of life... we follow jesus' footsteps.. theres a whole different context here.... i don't think you'll ever hear a Protestant church suing someone over a game...lol anyway the church of england is catholic..... they have images of saints and Jesus on the cross.... trust me you'll never see Jesus on the cross on a Protestant church...because we believe he is risen..and that he is not on the cross (meaning he's dead) anyway...so before you say Christians are bad... and that religion slows down the whole Earth.... well i can tell you for sure..we Protestants are absolutely SURE that God is real..we don't try to force anyone to believe it and we have never slowed down anything in the world.... we try to be very neutral in these matters....of course there are exceptions... however Christianity is a religion....and we Protestants do not follow a religion...we follow the word of God... anyway.. just wanted to set apart what people were saying
ia it like they were making it out as if the church plays a big part in the game. Im religious, at that cathedral every sunday and all that, but i am in no way offended by this. in fact, im shocked the church could actually try this. our priest talked about this earlier, and i nearly LOLd at how stupid he sounded and how wrong he was
ia it like they were making it out as if the church plays a big part in the game. Im religious, at that cathedral every sunday and all that, but i am in no way offended by this. in fact, im shocked the church could actually try this. our priest talked about this earlier, and i nearly LOLd at how stupid he sounded and how wrong he was
That church guy is wearing pink, LOL.
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best reply so far
I wonder why they picked this game in perticular? This wasn't the first game to have fight scenes within church/temple/religious walls. Look at half life 2. Anyone else think that's werid?
Sony is so going to wipe th floor with those idiots at that church. I can't believe they pick R:FOM out of all the games that feature churches and stuff to pick on. I hate these Jack Thompson types of *****s and I think they should all die by firing squad.
the bible is the best selling novel in the world. The church is the biggest business followed by people that cant think for themselves. Very sad
it seems like everybody wants to take a shot a sony. maybe they should just change thire name to something with soft in it. all the lawsuit jive, just leave sony alone. there are bigger conpanies out there to pick with.
also movies has a lot of violent scenes in churchs and no one said something I think someone (not microsoft or nintendo) said something to these people to make a little storm using the bashing to sony you know free propaganda for what? who knows
U see i already said the church wanted money. The mother said that our minds r being lost? I understand that killing in a game and killing in real life are different... Now parents need to teach it to there little kids n stop blaming videogames on everything that goes wrong.
i think that god knows that the man wants money (They demanded donations from Sony). Dont try and say fighting in a church is bad, fighting ANYWHERE is bad. But its not real... its fake. Everyone has problems but im smart enough to know that money dosnt solve problems
Das kinda weird. Guess he wanted 2 look good 4 da TV time he was getting...
The first think id do when I heard about this is laugh my as5 of n wonder if they were serious
Somebody needs to teach the idiot a lesson especially if hes trying to do good. He needs to get his @$$ over here stop all the gang fights, abortion, ban guns, and make miracles. Your Freakin fighting evil not good guys its teaching good not bad. All of a suddn they focus on a freakin game. And what about movies did he all of a sudden go against SONY. What about the Davici code who said it had to be violent it rejects the bible which is worse than a game based on fanstasy. There are movies out there that are far worse and more realistic. I just saying problems accroding to that fool arent going to start from playing omg resistnance fall of man. Now like thats going to really happen the game is based on fantasy. I don't know someone wants someone whats some money.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
They can just not buy it for them isnt that a great idea
they cant do anything right tis like when kanye west made a song called jesus walks and the "christian community" went crazy because he mentioned jesus and crursed in the same lyrics lol thats why ive lost faith in my religion bunch of crazy ass people now i believe in god and say sceew all christianity's rules
Wow all this comments sucks, common PS3 kill the F@#$ng church, oh i almost forgot. Amen.
Sony should throw some xbooos360 at the church, so satan would come and destroy the F@#$nk church with the power of the 360 red rings of death, oh and throw some xbooo360 fanboys too i would not mind, hahahahahahaha.
i can imagine the lawsuit now, "we are sueing sony for, erm, using a place that looks similar to a church in a sci-fi alien shooter set in an alternate reality." lol
lol I certainly love the idea of changing the game because they wont be changing my copy because its impossible to change already written data. all i have to say is ***** the churches this is why im atheist to stay away from the money grubbing mother *****ers. if they want to alter my copy all i have to say is come to my house and take it from my hands.
ya in all theory it works, why not turn the whole christian and catholic community against their competitor to only enhance their products sales. this is a good way to work your way into the public through propgantic measures like this. trust me this stunt has been pulled off before by many different companys and products advertising that they have god on their side.
Hot topic eh? Only getting involved myself as the church is so messed up it's fun 2 take a few shots back @ it. I mean it's funny how the church in America is trying 2 stop/stopping the teaching of evolution in schools because it does not happen like th@ in "the book" All religion is a bit f**ked up anyway, it's the cause of most suffering over the last 2000+ years & still continues 2day. How any1 can belive in a book th@ was put 2gether 1500 years ago by ??????????? I'll never quite understand. They don't stick 2 them rule's much only when it suit's them & they belive in the book. All because Jesus was surposed 2 have fed the 40,000 on a loaf of bread & a pot noodle. Anyway if u belive in God fine I got no problem with th@ but take ur inspiration from the world around u like life, creation the universe & s**t like th@. Think 4 yourself & live a good life as I'm sure God would want, but don't get sucked into the Sunday cult with it's hypnotic prayers, big crosses & pain guilt trippin u into beliving. Oh & by the way................................................ 1st ;-] Amen!
the bible is the best selling novel in the world. The church is the biggest business followed by people that cant think for themselves. Very sad
Yeah, this is so *****ing stupid i mean. The bishop said that this game was about killing human beings and WTF DOES THIS KID HAVE TO DO WITH THIS? He was shot and killed and now her mother thinks that video games are behind this? Go screw yourself Church of England
Lol, the bishop played this game so much and loved it so much until he found out that the church was in there!
Stupid church. Just another reason for me to hate them. I've got a million reasons already. Besides what's sony got to do with that, Insomniac made the game. STUPID!!!
its not about killing humans, its about defending humans against an alien menace. Get your facts right, didnt you know its aliens you are killing in that game you are playing? CANT you even know the difference a science fiction and reality? can Sony sue the church? you know what , the final fantasy advent children MOVIE/FILM made battle inside the church, and yes humans hurting humans, and its not even rated mature audiences, its rated just PG13.
@stilgar91 youre saying every soldier in iraq is a cold blooded murderer and so is george bush??!! so all the iraqis who are killing us troops are innocent men, so US soldiers are killing innocent men??!!!! youre one of the dumbest people ive seen on the internet, even if you disagree with bush which is understandable, you still think the soldiers are murderers, which is *****. by the way, worser is not a word you *****ing dumbass
Just to be correct here (I don't own a PS3 and will not I have my Wii) the Church of England is "Anglican" they broke away from the Catholics when one of the kings of England wanted to have another wife and the Catholic church didn't want to let him. They have kept many of the same titles and actions as the Catholics but they are not. Google them and you will find its what they call themselves. And yes the lawsuit is stupid they are just making some media noise. Also good post by badboy_Br you got most of it right.
Who has FOM and has been in that church? Very few people indeed and it's not going to influence any violence. If people are worried about violent computer games they should step down and complain about all media including movies music etc. I hate most religous people. They want everyone to follow them and are so selfish. Sony against the church of england. I'm with sony all the way.
Just to be correct here (I don't own a PS3 and will not I have my Wii) the Church of England is "Anglican" they broke away from the Catholics when one of the kings of England wanted to have another wife and the Catholic church didn't want to let him. They have kept many of the same titles and actions as the Catholics but they are not. Google them and you will find its what they call themselves. And yes the lawsuit is stupid they are just making some media noise. Also good post by badboy_Br you got most of it right.
You said that to perfection PS3Rider, all the churhc wants out of this is attention
like everybody who owns a ps3 hasnt bought this game already
omg! these church ppl can shuve there church up there ass.... ***** the church.... and the video game has nothing to do with actual ppl being killed... its just a game... its doesnt kill ppl... the dumbass that killed some1 is the killer.... this pisses me off so bad... they better not sue sony for this *****.... ***** CHURCH!!!!!!
Geez, typical Protestant ignorance... >actually catholics are christians in some ways... Yes, Catholics are Christian, the original ones! >catholics follow pegan traditions too... >about praying to mary and saint's... > the bible never said anything about prayin to saints... Catholics don't follow Pagan traditions. We don't offer food and sacrifices to statues and believe that teh stone adn wood are gods. Venerating saints and icons and relics is not paganism, it's no different than the Ark of the Covenent or the Moses using the icon of the bronzed Snake to cure people as God ORDERED! The Bible, particularly the Psalms invoke the Angels and heavenly hosts (saints) to praise God alongside us and appeal for us. The Book of Revelation reveals the prayers offered by the saints for us both in heaven and from Earth and Catholics from the beginning of Christianity have made appeals to the Saints. Martin Luther, the founder of Protestantism also prayed to the saints and held Mary in high regard. >Protestants on the other hand.... >we are different from catholics... >we follow the bible.. the bible is like the manual of life... >we follow jesus' footsteps.. theres a whole different >context here.... Catholics also follow the Bible, but unlike Protestants we also follow the Divine Church Authority and Tradition guided and strengthened by Apostolic Authority and the power of the Holy Spirit. >i don't think you'll ever hear a Protestant church suing >someone over a game...lol Yeah, because there is no Protestant 'Church' but a splintered collection of various Protestant denominations that share similar tenants of faith but unfortuantely also different interpretations of the Bible which keeps them apart and not unified. >anyway the church of england is catholic..... >they have images of saints and Jesus on the cross.... No they are not! They are Anglican! They split from the Catholic Church! Protestants were once also Catholic... and Catholics also read the same books of the Bible... does that make you Catholic? >trust me you'll never see Jesus on the cross on a >Protestant church...because we believe he is >risen..and that he is not on the cross (meaning he's dead) This is the most hilarious thing Protestants say... also the most ignorant. Are you saying that Catholics believe Christ didn't rise form the dead? The image of Christ on the cross, the crucifix, signifies the death of Christ and his death and sufferring are more important to Catholics than Protestants apparantly... which is why we have that image. It was when Christ was nailed to that Cross that we were saved. And the crucifix signifies that. >however Christianity is a religion....and we Protestants >do not follow a religion...we follow the word of God... Errr, if Protestants are Christian... then they obviously follow a form of Christianity, which is a religion... which makes you religous... No level headed Protestant will say what they follow isn't a religion. You seem to be confused about your own faith, forget abotu Catholicism. But then again, given how splintered Protestants are and their various forms which number in the thousands, it is EXTREMELY different from the Catholic Church with one authority and one unified faith sharing the same faith and dogmas and instituted by Christ Himself. On to the discussion at hand... It might have been poor judgment on Sony's part to use the interior of the Church for violent content, alien or not though given the context of the game's story it cannot be interpreted to being intentionally 'sacriligious.' I'm sure it's just the ruined interior and any religious iconography was removed... but I haven't played the game. However, I can understand why the Church of England is upset. Would you like to create a shooting level of Virginia Tech of Columbine as some people have and then expect people not to get angry? Or how about we make a game where we shoot up the interior of the Dome of the Rock and other Muslim Mosques and see how the Islamic world
yo old lady. your son was shot because someone took a gun and shot his dum ass. what the f*** do videogames have to do with that. they act like the objective off the game was to blow up a church. its just in the map so if you play a fighting game and the arena is a forest and you see animals in the back your gona say the game is wrong casue it teaches animal cruilitt SHUT UP i believe in god and heaven and all that but the church is kind of abusing its power, trying to stop every thing that they think is wrong why don't they stop somthing that can help everyone like global warming if they want to be such heros
valanceer over-reacted there.
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