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Sony loves the Kinect comparison

Posted Sep 20, 2010 at 6:18AM EST by Mabie A.

Listed in: PS3 Tags: playstation 3 updates, Sony
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Fanboys may be overly passionate in expressing disdain for the competitor, but not Sony. According to PlayStation head Shuhei Yoshida, being continually compared to Microsoft's Kinect has got him feeling "lucky".

 

 

 

 

"[Ever] since we announced Move at E3 last year, I've always felt like we were lucky that Microsoft made such a big deal with Project Natal. In a broader sense, we are categorized as 'motion gaming' - if we were just doing Move, we wouldn't have had as much coverage and attention from media and consumers."

 

 

 

 

he furthered, "Because you have Kinect versus move, or Natal versus Motion Controller... I've always felt that that helps to convey our message in terms of what's unique about Move. In our mind, from the beginning, we clearly understood the difference between what Microsoft is trying to do and what we have been doing. I feel like it's a great thing, to have the Kinect versus Move versus Wii comparison."

 

 

 

 

 

 

Via [GamesIndustry]

 


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-8 # -.-Jhon White 2010-09-20 08:03
Yeah he likes to compare it to Kinect so he can brag that Move has buttons but he does not like comparing it to the Wii because he knows its an EXACT COPY.

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+4 # RE: -.-Musev 2010-09-20 08:08
It might seem very similar but the ps move is actually good, so not an exact copy eh?

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-4 # ROFLJhon White 2010-09-20 11:45
Quoting Musev:
It might seem very similar but the ps move is actually good, so not an exact copy eh?


Actually good? haha! sure its more responsive than the Wii but what use is that when all the games suck! its just wii sports plus with ugly looking characters and no art style.

Also Sony have no worthwhile characters or IPs they can use this "new" technology with while Nintendo have all thier mascots and are always come up with new and fun ways to make use of the motion control.

Games... another reason why the PS3 and Move fall flat on thier face! its because they have none worth buying.

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+1 # RE: ROFLZ33GHOST 2010-09-20 12:06
Of course the games suck right now. They just started and look at the line up to come. Sure they don't have characters to use game to game but that don't make a fun game.

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# RE: ROFLAramisathei 2010-09-20 12:06
Or hey, it's a newly launched product and it takes a while to develop either new or appropriate IPs for such a project.
Just sayin'.

That, or Heavy Rain, Flower, even Folklore.
Give it more than a whole few days from launch.

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+2 # RE: ROFLjoostin 2010-09-20 12:31
You sir are a chowderhead.

KZ3 has no recognizable characters? I guess Sackboy isn't very recognizable. He just beat the crap out of Mario and left him to bleed out in the street in 2008. PS3 has the strongest game library out of all 3 systems. That is just pure fact. It is written in stone by other devs comparing to the benchmarks Sony has put up.

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-1 # RE: RE: ROFLJhon White 2010-09-20 15:25
Quoting joostin:
You sir are a chowderhead.

KZ3 has no recognizable characters? I guess Sackboy isn't very recognizable. He just beat the crap out of Mario and left him to bleed out in the street in 2008. PS3 has the strongest game library out of all 3 systems. That is just pure fact. It is written in stone by other devs comparing to the benchmarks Sony has put up.


ROFL yeah sure sackboy is great *rolls eyes* how many game copies has mario sold over 200 million! Super mario galaxy 2 has already outsold the entire lifetime sales of LBP, yeah mario is so dead -.-

Also LBP brags they have infinite game content but they don't tell you that the gameplay grows stale within 4 hours and more than half of the used PS3 games at my local stores are just stacked with LBP which proves people are sick of it and selling it off.

KZ3 has no nobody interesting just some dude constantly shouting "SEV! SEV!".

PS3 only has the highest library rating because it has less games on it overall than the wii and 360. If the PS3 games had more games on it i can guarantee you that its library rating will go down,even 1 bad/mediocre game can bring down a library score.

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-1 # umtherealpsndonutdude 2010-09-20 18:37
No killzone is a good game. What about uncharted? Heavy Rain, Flower, God of War 3, Gran Turismo, Motorstorm, Infamous, Resistance, Ratchet and clank, Socom 4. The thing is, you Xbox fanboys never take the time to go look at the games PS3 has. While us PS3 fanboys know and research M$ crowds claims. With move free online, bluray, 320gigs, media center, I believe the PS3 is marginally better than the 360. Plus all the forms of PS3 play all the games Cough(4gig xbox&halo reach) cough. Anyway, hope I helped show you why your argument is invalid as the PS3 has caught up to the Xbox and surpassed it.

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# RE: RE: RE: ROFLtruk 2010-09-20 22:45
Quoting Jhon White:
Quoting joostin:
You sir are a chowderhead.

KZ3 has no recognizable characters? I guess Sackboy isn't very recognizable. He just beat the crap out of Mario and left him to bleed out in the street in 2008. PS3 has the strongest game library out of all 3 systems. That is just pure fact. It is written in stone by other devs comparing to the benchmarks Sony has put up.


ROFL yeah sure sackboy is great *rolls eyes* how many game copies has mario sold over 200 million! Super mario galaxy 2 has already outsold the entire lifetime sales of LBP, yeah mario is so dead -.-

Also LBP brags they have infinite game content but they don't tell you that the gameplay grows stale within 4 hours and more than half of the used PS3 games at my local stores are just stacked with LBP which proves people are sick of it and selling it off.

KZ3 has no nobody interesting just some dude constantly shouting "SEV! SEV!".

PS3 only has the highest library rating because it has less games on it overall than the wii and 360. If the PS3 games had more games on it i can guarantee you that its library rating will go down,even 1 bad/mediocre game can bring down a library score.

bashing the better games in the game scene makes you look stupid.

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: ROFLMigosama 2010-09-22 05:35
which better games?

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+3 # If your going to make that argument...RavenSPe 2010-09-20 08:34
then you might as well whine and moan that every console is a copy of the original Atari. Or perhaps an even earlier console I'm not aware of.

In any point, technology progresses with time being that it has to copy and improve currently existing technology. If your not a fan of that then I suggest you become amish instead of complaining about something you use daily. It really makes you look quite stupid.

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+2 # Exact copy?Lethal1980 2010-09-20 10:59
Dumbest thing I have ever heard.....The PS Move uses a camera and LEDs for precise motion tracking. The PS Move is 1:1 where the Wii is not.

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# RE: Exact copy?Saito Forte 2010-09-20 11:54
I don't think even the Move is 1:1. Razer's Sixense is managing to do that without optics though.

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# insert title herestyxfan4etrnt 2010-09-20 14:12
its close but not quite

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# people justfearlubu 2010-09-20 14:49
like to talk shit, no point in arguing with idiots, theyll drag you down to their level and beat your with experience

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-1 # RE: -.-hatemenot 2010-09-20 11:21
you probably don't own a ps3 or a wii. don't cha? :)

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-1 # I used to...Jhon White 2010-09-20 11:53
I got one when the Slim came out. sold it off 3 months later after playing all its exclusives which the fanboys hyped up so much and which were instead nothing special.

biggest waste of £250 ever!.

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# RE: I used to...Z33GHOST 2010-09-20 12:12
What? Clearly didn't do so. If you did your one stuck up fan boy. I love the 360 and Wii Games but man do I love the PS3 games.

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-1 # RE: I used to...hatemenot 2010-09-20 12:19
ah yeah! ps3 targets hardcore gamers :-? :lol:

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# fanboy senses are tinglingSaito Forte 2010-09-20 11:52
At least Sony didn't take the PS2, slapped a motion controller on it, & marketed it as a new system.

I don't see you bitching about the touch screen on the DS being ripped off from the Game.com

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# Sarcasm?Sembazuru 2010-09-20 13:42
Quoting Saito Forte:
I don't see you bitching about the touch screen on the DS being ripped off from the Game.com


I thought the touch screen of the DS was a rip off of the Palm Pilot... Or maybe a rip off of ATMs...

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# They see me trollin', they flamin'Lazyboy256 2010-09-20 13:23
Jhon White be trollin' :P

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# RE: -.-Zombie8Brains 2010-09-20 22:40
not an exact copy

wii has camera in controller and stationary sensor. move is the opposite.
kinect is just the camera. i personally play games in the dark a lot, i would much rather go with wii or move for that reason alone but in terms of games, HD, etc. move wins hands down imho. my wii collects dust, my 360 collects dust, no fan boy of sony/microsoft/nintendo just saying.

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+4 # Lolanimebuster 2010-09-20 08:12
Exact copy my ass... Have you even used the move? I have and I can say although It may have the same idea, it is a HUGE improvement over the Wii.

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-5 # yesssPuntymario 2010-09-20 08:24
a huge improvement.... 4 years later of course whoopee

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+2 # Improvements don't happen over night..RavenSPe 2010-09-20 08:36
If they did, you'd have an education and I would be teleporting to work every day.

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# RE: Improvements don't happen over night..Grim_Reaper-x 2010-09-20 09:19
damn straight we would!!

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# RE: yessstruk 2010-09-20 22:48
Quoting Puntymario:
a huge improvement.... 4 years later of course whoopee

facepalm... yes that is how the whole world works.

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# my point was...Puntymario 2010-09-21 15:44
it goes without saying....

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# RE: Sony loves the Kinect comparisonPS3 Owner1 2010-09-20 08:30
That doesn't make sense.

Why would you compare a motion controller with a controller-less accessory?

Wouldn't it be better to compare it to Le Stick nah.. Wiimote would be better for the comparison.

It's the same as comparison an apple to an orange, tastes good but not the same.

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# RE: RE: Sony loves the Kinect comparisonZ33GHOST 2010-09-20 12:16
Sony and Microsoft are at war on what's better, Controller or No Controller. Really don't have to compare to the wii's controller because it's obvious.

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+2 # RE: Sony loves the Kinect comparisonsoppyhankins 2010-09-20 09:28
Move and the wii are different in terms of technology. VERY DIFFERENT. They do the same thing yes, except Move adds depth to the gameplay. Literally you can go in and out. The Wii can't. Also, you do know that Sony has been working on this since the PS2 right? They had a demo of this working with the eyetoy and it's just taken them a while to finally perfect it. Plus, with what Sony is planning to do with it, the PS2 could never have been able to handle it. So to all the "OMG it just copies the Wii" sayers, Sony did this first....
NOTE: I am not a sony fanboy, I'm not pulling this out of my ass, here's the proof of a Move like game on PS2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpNdkm9s8AY

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+1 # RE: RE: Sony loves the Kinect comparisonPS3 Owner1 2010-09-20 10:30
Thanks for that, very informative.

I'm going to wait for PS Move to lower the price down, because for the same or approx price the Wii is there (wouldn't care if it's used).

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+3 # RE: RE: Sony loves the Kinect comparisonSembazuru 2010-09-20 14:01
Quoting soppyhankins:
Move and the wii are different in terms of technology. VERY DIFFERENT. They do the same thing yes, except Move adds depth to the gameplay.


Specifically, the way they do it is completely different. With the Wii, you have the sensor bar. This is, in fact, a misnomer. The bar doesn't sense anything at all. It provides two IR light sources that the controller sees. Any other IR source (i.e. direct sunlight on the wall behind the TV, a light right next to the TV, etc) confuses the Wiimote. In theory, because all OEM sensor bars are supposed to be made equal, the Wiimote should be able to tell distance by how far apart the IR light dots are. For some reason this doesn't really work in practice. Might be lack of functions in the software...

With Move, you have a camera that knows how big the glowing ball on the Move controller is. Based on how large the ball looks to the camera the system is able to get a very good idea of how far away the controller is. The software (presumably the OS level driver, but I don't know enough of the details to be sure, might just be a library in the SDK) adjusts the color of the ball to find a suitable contrast with the rest of the background. Not to say that this is perfect, but certainly much more forgiving than the Wiimote.

Back to Move vs Kinect, even more specifically EyeToy vs Kinect. From what I've been able to glean, Kinect is more than just a camera. There is a radar-like sensor that is part of the system (based on so called "depth-sensitive cameras" originally developed for ballistic missile systems, tho I'm not sure if for navigation or final targeting). This allows the system to map in 3D what is in front of it, much like a topographic map. I would be quite interested to see if it is accurate and detailed enough to read sign language. That being said, I agree with the spirit of what is being said by Sony about buttons being an important part of the gaming UI equation.

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# RE: RE: RE: Sony loves the Kinect comparisonAlex Atkin UK 2010-09-24 19:12
Buttons are important, but Sony forget that with Kinect you can use the standard 360 pad AND Kinect AT THE SAME TIME. So you HAVE buttons, it all depends how a given game uses the system.

There is also nothing to stop Microsoft releasing a cut-down pad of some sort. So with Kinect buttons are optional, there are games you can do with Kinect that can't be done with Move.

The dancing games for a start where they actually see what you are doing without problems from furniature and lighting, something a camera alone cannot do (as evidences from Eyetoy as it NEVER worked for me).

I agree both systems have their own advtanges/disadvantages, but Kinect is the one that is offering something new rather than a "me too" - though I do hope Move get some support, I have been waiting to play a shooter in HD with light gun quality controls since the Wii came out.

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# RE: Sony loves the Kinect comparisonRabbitC 2010-09-20 14:31
Of course they love the comparison - that's the only way that non-PS3 owners will EVER hear or care about PS Move; guilty by association?

Whether fanboys can deal with it or not - the world is talking about Kinect, not the Wii-2/plus/whatever from Sony.

People don't play with their Wii anymore - so why would anyone care about a far more expensive version of something they've already grown tired of?

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# RE: Sony loves the Kinect comparisonRob Chasmer 2010-09-20 15:48
Actually Re: the games quality
I bought Sports championship, along with two move controllers (Separately on Saturday a day after launch for 79ukp after a bit of shopping around).
It's a pretty good game for the 23ukp price. Good fun well presented, ideal for two, but surprisingly good single player as well. As well as perfectly following my hand movements (motion controller), it also follows your body movement, e.g running round the room. Got a respectable 75 on metacritic. Tried most of the move demo downloads from the store and think a got the best of the bunch so far.
Also quite liked ubisofts racket sports, though not quite as well presented. Tumble is good fun, but equally frustrating, so not sure is but that from the PSN.
I hated playing various mates wins but I like what I see so far with Move. I think its the accuracy combined with the Hd visuals. Looking forward to the free heavy rain update in a few days.. I think the Wii has a successor. Lets see how long it is till Microsoft come up with some physical UI add on for Kinnect.

If

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# Cmon guyslxlox 2010-09-21 00:34
U know the PS3 is Awesome and the Xbox 360 too I recognize that both consoles are pretty awesome even when I feel like both has the same stuff the only one that is pure bullshit is of course the Wii that console is just trash, why? cause I say so if you are a parent or kid u may like it but if you are a young madafaka just like me then the Ps3 and the Xbox 360 are the best. F u k u if u think the opposite of me.

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# RE: Sony loves the Kinect comparisonAlex Atkin UK 2010-09-24 18:56
Quoting therealpsndonut dude:
No killzone is a good game. What about uncharted? Heavy Rain, Flower, God of War 3, Gran Turismo, Motorstorm, Infamous, Resistance, Ratchet and clank, Socom 4. The thing is, you Xbox fanboys never take the time to go look at the games PS3 has. While us PS3 fanboys know and research M$ crowds claims. With move free online, bluray, 320gigs, media center, I believe the PS3 is marginally better than the 360. Plus all the forms of PS3 play all the games Cough(4gig xbox&halo reach) cough. Anyway, hope I helped show you why your argument is invalid as the PS3 has caught up to the Xbox and surpassed it.


Are those games better than multi-platform or 360 exclusives? Some people might think so, but I have my doubts.

I thought Heavy Rain was a dreadful game with barely any gameplay at all. The story also was boring and had me hating the main character as he was an idiot, yet were I supposed to feel sorry for him?

Alan Wake on the other hand might not be as pretty, but its a far better game. This is often what happens on Playstation, they spend too much time making the game pretty and not enough making it a good game.

Same goes from Gran Turismo, some people love it but its vastly overrated IMO. I wanted to like it, but it bored me as the AI just felt flat and lifeless. I know many long term fans who were fed up with GT4 as the AI seemed little improved since GT1, they spent too much time on the graphics. Hopefully GT5 will fix that.

In fact, the Wii has more exclusives I love than the PS3 does. So bottom line, don't forget its all personal opinion. Some of us couldn't care less about most of the PS3 exclusives, most of my favourite games are 360 exclusives or multi-platform.

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