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Sony looking to prove Geohot registered for PSN

Posted Jan 20, 2011 at 11:21AM EST by Glenn M.

Listed in: PS3 Tags: Geohot, lawsuit, news, ps3 hack, Sony
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judgeAs part of the legal action against George Hotz, Sony intends to show that the famed hacker has registered for a PSN account. Doing so would prove that Geohot has agreed to their terms of service, thereby giving them further evidence to pursue the case.

 

In their last round of court documents, Sony claimed that Geohot is subject to the PSN user agreement, pointing to the PSN account under the ID of "Geo1Hotz." Lacking evidence to prove its ownership, however, Sony concedes that George Hotz may not be the owner of the said account. They move on to speculate that the hacker probably has a different account out there under a different ID. "Even if Hotz is not the user registered as Geo1Hotz, he could be registered to use the network under another alias," they pointed out.

 

As of January 14th, Geohot is not under any restraining order, and if Sony wants to change that, they'll need better evidence than that.

 

 

 

[via PSJailbreak]



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-1 # RE: Sony looking to prove Geohot registered for PSNGlenn M. 2011-01-20 12:58
they're just firing blanks with that one.. they won't win this case with 'evidence' like that

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-1 # RE: RE: Sony looking to prove Geohot registered for PSNISOHaven 2011-01-21 19:20
Exactly! 'Lack thereof' never seemed more appropriate.

Since Sony can't even nail down who a PSN account belongs to then there is no way to even nail down the EULA. Seems to me breach of contract doesn't even apply here as you have no proof of "signature".

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+3 # bbahahakakashihatake18 2011-01-20 13:00
this is sooo funny hahahaha this is comedy at this point seriously

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+1 # He can go all the way!!!Geo2k11hotz 2011-01-20 13:13
:lol: He is a free man SONY 8) :zzz think about it?

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-1 # now the scores....WindSlash 2011-01-20 13:20
Geohotz: 1 Sony: 0

SONY.... FAILED!!!! (for now)

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+2 # Oh dearActeon 2011-01-20 13:55
This really ought to be sorted out by Judge Judy, she'd have this over and done with before the first ad break :)

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+1 # RE: Sony looking to prove Geohot registered for PSNPS360 Owner1 2011-01-20 13:56
Geohot is NOT that DUMB, Sony.

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# RE: Sony looking to prove Geohot registered for PSNUltimaXX 2011-01-20 13:56
Even if he did register an account... so effing what? Violating an EULA is a breach of contract, not a punishable crime in itself.

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-3 # UmJon48 2011-01-21 09:52
Ummmmm if you break a contract, you get punished. Thats how law works in most countries.

And plus, its not like Sony is trying to throw him in jail, they are trying to either charge him and make him take down all his hacks and stuffs.

Its perfectly acceptable from Sony, because everyone here will either rent, borrow or download PS3 games instead of buying them...and dont give me that "oh I want to back it up" bullcrap cause thats a lie.

I hope Sony wins.

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+2 # RE: UmISOHaven 2011-01-21 18:47
That is flat out WRONG! If you breach a contact then neither party is accountable for the terms set out for either of them.

Example, Prenuptial Agreements. If a man makes a woman sign one because he has tons of money and she has nothing and it states in a divorce she is only entitled to half his money IF she does NOT cheat on him and she does NOT initiate the divorce. If she does either of those then she BREAKS the contract and during a divorce she gets nothing.

She DOES NOT go to jail.

It is NOT a crime to break a contract. So no that is NOT how laws work in any country.

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# RE: RE: UmKreationz 2011-01-25 05:05
Gave a +1. But to add more, in this case all they can legally do to him through the contract(if they can prove he signed on) is: A.)Force him to California for the Trial (as part of the Terms jurisdiction can be included)
B.)Seek Damages relating to the violation (but they have to prove him directly responsible for the damages.)
C.)Ban him from PSN (the "Standard" action on a breach of an EULA contract AKA cheating and the like.)

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+1 # Just wait...squeeks 2011-01-20 14:13
Until all the online games are hacked and ruined by this exploit. Fun!

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+5 # RE: Just wait...PS360 Owner1 2011-01-20 14:48
Online games are already ruined... By noobs.

Pwned ya!

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# silly sonyxavis75211 2011-01-20 14:31
ToS ain't shit in court of law. you'd think a company that throws lawsuits around like halloween candy would know that.

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+1 # Yeah...CrabDonKey 2011-01-20 14:51
The supplemental TRO also goes on about George being a CyberSquatter trying to extort money from a film company by registering a domain name, and tries to assert that he was trying to extort employment from Sony because his initial page quipped "if you want your next console to be secure give me a call."

Sony Legal is just a bunch of creeps.

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# RE: Yeah...Kreationz 2011-01-25 05:08
"if you want your next console to be secure give me a call."

But they fail to mention, he never asked for any gain from said "call". Maybe he wants to help for free for the learning experience of working with new encryption technology.

BTW, the Cyber-squatting was case referenced not anything they accused him of.

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+3 # make a new accountblizako1 2011-01-20 14:52
everyone, go and make a new psn with anything with "geo""hot" or something.

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+2 # RE: make a new accountHangmanSwingset 2011-01-20 21:57
Man, would that piss Sueny off!

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+2 # UmmmBoosy 2011-01-20 15:06
Who takes time to read that agreements anyways? :-?

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# RE: Sony looking to prove Geohot registered for PSNBize 2011-01-20 15:12
What I don't get is this; Sony claims that when you boot up the PS3, it sends this huge amount of information to their servers. If this is true, shouldn't Sony be able to show that Geo1hotz has logged onto the specific PS3 that Geohot owns using that information?

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# RE: Sony looking to prove Geohot registered for PSNBob-san 2011-01-20 15:26
lol Seriously just lol Sony is going to accomplish nothing here other than spread word of the hacks and get those lawyers some new cars. They're not going to win, they're not going to scare anyone

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+1 # What the Hell SonyFox111111111 2011-01-20 15:42
Since Sony doesn't require any form of ID(social security, Drivers license, ect) how can they prove that hotz made a psn account at all unless they can trace the ip adress back to his location but that's unlikely.

Any jackass in the world can make a psn account as George Hotz and have a user name geohotz in some combination, hell I made a second account with a fake name and it worked fine.

One of the above posters is right a term of service contract is not a legal binding contract it more like a if we fuck up we're on our own and if sony fucks up tough shit we're on our own

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+1 # RE: What the Hell SonyPS360 Owner1 2011-01-20 20:15
They do require to insert the home adress, phone number, email and those things, but.. It can be faked easily.

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+1 # RE: RE: What the Hell SonyTallicDeth 2011-01-21 10:50
Yep, just like how I followed a walk through on how to make a Japanese PSN account. I just wanted to check out their "exclusives".

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+1 # RE: Sony looking to prove Geohot registered for PSNusjbroly 2011-01-20 16:33
But there is a VERY HIGH chance he has done so. he wasnt hacking the ps3 from day 1 and so is likely to have used PSN just as we ordinary mortals do before he began hacking work.

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# RE: RE: Sony looking to prove Geohot registered for PSNtruk 2011-01-20 21:50
Quoting usjbroly:
But there is a VERY HIGH chance he has done so. he wasnt hacking the ps3 from day 1 and so is likely to have used PSN just as we ordinary mortals do before he began hacking work.

"ordinary mortals"...seriously...

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# RE: RE: RE: Sony looking to prove Geohot registered for PSNUltimaXX 2011-01-20 21:55
Tongue-in-cheek humour seems to be lost on you.

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# RE: Sony looking to prove Geohot registered for PSNoh gawd 2011-01-20 16:43
what i find most funny, is how you are all lol'ing and kissing geohotz ass, trying to talk shit about sony like you know more about the law then them, lolz

they didnt get to be a multi billion dollar company by being stupid, they got plenty of money to hire the best lawyers, they know what they are doing

you guys sound like your in middle school

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# RE: RE: Sony looking to prove Geohot registered for PSNHangmanSwingset 2011-01-20 22:04
Well, somebody at the top of Sony's food chain must have been in an accident recently... most of their past lawsuits have been somewhat logical.
And last time I checked, they didn't give false promises and remove features back in the days of the original PlayStation, or the PS2.
Their sound systems are amazing. Their gaming systems back in the day were great.

But the only reason we might seem like we're in middle school about this is because those bastards took out goddamn lunch money.

But what about team FailOverflow? Does anyone care about them anymore?

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-3 # RE: RE: Sony looking to prove Geohot registered for PSNUltimaXX 2011-01-20 22:14
Funny how you assume a multinational company must be right, just because they're huge. It's fallacious, and downright stupid, so you shouldn't be calling anyone middle schoolers here. I might not be a lawyer, but I took an A Level in Law and probably know a lot more about it than you do, and apparently a bit more than Sony does.

First thing first; Sony is not a law firm. They don't know jack shit about the law, because they don't need to. That's what they have lawyers for. Unfortunately for them, the lawyers work for money, so they have no reason to turn down a case that Sony is willing to chase because that would be stupid on behalf of the law firm. There's your first mistake. It doesn't matter how good your lawyers are if you have a shitty case.

Secondly, proving that Hotz registered a PSN account will prove nothing other than he breached the terms of the End User License Agreement, which is not enough to prosecute him, so there's no way this will lead to jail time for Hotz. He might be sued penniless and left unable to pay the fees, leaving Sony at a total financial loss in the unlikely event they win, but it isn't his freedom at stake here.

Third, and lastly, how the hell can you defend the intelligence of a company who inadvertantly but predictably directed a shit load of media attention towards the security flaws in the system? Seriously. Hotz has appeared on TV interviews, he's had articles written about him on the BBC and lord knows what else. Millions who otherwise wouldn't have known about the hacks now do.

On top of that, you seem to be forgetting where all this started; Sony failed to get a simple fucking random number generator right, which rendered a nearly perfect multi-million pound security system completely useless. You talked about middle school, so I take it you've made it past middle school, right? Well, watch fail0verflow's demonstration and explanation of how they calculated the keys, then come back and tell me Sony must be right because they're big and clever.

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# yupxD 2011-01-20 18:04
sony is just in a tissy to blame some one for the major over sight on there part by having there siging function of there psp and ps3 systems to be discoverd now that this has happend there trying to get any mony they can becouse there is no longer a ligitimit reson to ever buy a sony game agin they wount win with this becouse there evendince is sircumtancial there going to be louahed out of court just like the hacker community has been loughing at them since 2008

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# GeoHotz Vs SonyNick7Michael-Ps3 ID 2011-01-20 20:00
It's Not Fail, This Time We Can Say EPIC FAIL From Sony! :-* :-* 8)

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# No help for Sony's caseJohn McRae 2011-01-20 21:27
1. If he made an account how will they tie it to systems he has hacked? I'm pretty sure they can't consider the agreement on one system to include the other.

2. If he did accept the EULA on a system he was hacking, they have no way of proving he was under the EULA while hacking the PS3. If he refused to update when they release a new update he didn't accept the new EULA so can't really be held accountable if he breaks the old one?

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+1 # RE: Sony looking to prove Geohot registered for PSNtruk 2011-01-20 21:52
they're going to get him anyway they can. this is how our judicial system works

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+1 # RE: Sony looking to prove Geohot registered for PSNWalo 2011-01-21 02:36
This is not gonna go anywhere.

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# RE: Sony looking to prove Geohot registered for PSNNakedFaerie 2011-01-21 04:08
Think about it, even if he did sign up for a PSN account doesn't mean he was using that account on the console he hacks on.
He might have an unhacked console just for PSN then a few other hacked consoles thats never been online.

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# SONY vs GeoiONAi 2011-01-21 05:20
8)

I think that its only fair that anyone involved in this on the SONY side should befall an unfortunate accident....!
It happens all the time!

:P

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# Hey dad...3vi1 2011-01-21 08:31
"Hey dad... click on that agreement while I go to the bathroom."

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-3 # RE: Sony looking to prove Geohot registered for PSNDeez Nutz 2011-01-21 18:28
So will violating a terms of use agreement ever be legally binding? Hopefully not since nobody ever bothers to read 50 or so pages of legal BS.

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# RE: Sony looking to prove Geohot registered for PSNprofession69 2011-01-24 13:48
this kid sucks he should do shit to his own system and keep it private than to release it to the public apple and sony two diff companies two diff DMCAs

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