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Sony and Software Sharing, Entitlements, and Cash Cows

Posted Sep 11, 2006 at 3:15PM EST by QJ Staff

Listed in: PS3 Tags: playstation 3 updates, SCEA, Sony
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PS-Net (call it our graphic interpretation)Sony and game publishers have identified a new cash cow they hope to, er, milk for added revenue. And SCEA's filed a patent with the US Patent Office that explains how it works. It uses two key ingredients. The first is the Entitlement system of gamer points. The second? The fact that you tend to share your games with your friends.

How does it work? Since the last attempt to interpret a patent application (for Apple's display actuator) gave us a migrane, we're fortunate to have Panajev at the NeoGAF forums who's done most of the legwork (also, we have Alex to thank for passing this tip over). His full analysis is over at the source article, but we'll try to talk about the essential points here.

Back to the topic: Sony's idea is to create an incentive for video game buyers to share their titles with their friends (as though the simple rewards of spreading the joy of gaming aren't enough). This is an added bonus for game publishers as well - it generates even greater exposure for their titles, especially if they're the lesser-known, less-publicized ones.

But to "properly" control this sharing - and generate money from it - this Sony system will track the game's ownership, from its original owner to whomever he/she gives the game, and to whomever that new owner gives the game, and so on. It can do so because each gamer, each PS3, and even each game disc will have a unique ID.

For example, if I buy MGS4 and load it up to my PS3 under my profile, the Sony servers will immediately record that. If someone else (another gamer ID) plays the same disc, or if I or someone else tries to play the disc on another PS3 unit, the server will immediately recognize the difference, and will assume that the game has changed hands.

There is a Pandora's box of marketing potential (and privacy concerns) from this kind of tracking and sharing. To promote sharing and increase a game's exposure, the disc's original owners may be awarded Entitlement points for playing the game the first time... call it "first-adpoter points" (our term, not Panajev or Sony's). Sony may even ease copy restrictions and allow you to copy the game onto the HDD, allowing you to give the game disc to your friends.

Those friends, on the other hand, may be expected to pay some sort of "second-hand" fee to gain the right to play that game disc. While some of these points could be given to the original owner as well (the "rewards for sharing"), Sony's take is that the points will also go to the game publisher.

Isn't there a word for this among the Apple community? Oh, yeah: Digital rights management. What do you guys think? Given the costs of making these games, should Sony and game publishers also have a chance to earn money from this second-hand game sharing? Or should sharing be free, like sharing your music CDs with your friends?



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# Question for the professor...Annony 2006-09-11 16:39
What if my PS3 isn't connected to the internet? How will Sony know if the game is first or second hand?



In other words, if I buy a USED single-player game (a multi would require net connection, thus Sony could track via net) like FFXIII from Gamestop , and I keep this game 'unplugged', I could bypass the 'sharing fee'?



I smell a loophole! \=)



Still, the points won't be worth jack compared to how much Sony would probably charge for 'redistribution'. Companies have completely lost touch with their CONSUMERS through all this 'digital rights' bullcrap. If I buy a movie from the 'pre-viewed' bin in Blockbuster, I don't want to have another charge tacked onto my purchase.



I'm all for supporting the game developers (as everyone should be if they like the game), but this is just the WRONG WAY TO DO IT. I don't want Sony reading the contents of my YPS-3 (get a mirror) so it can find a way to send me a bill.

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# It's ok i guesscaldiablo 2006-09-11 16:41
I don't mind at all, at the most I feel it's kinda of nice. the only people who would mind would be those who pirate games or handle in illegal activites. Since i got nothing to hide and "in theory at least" nether do you why worry about such a thing.

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# So Thats The Catch?CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS 2006-09-11 16:45
I remember a rumor about something like this from Sony awhile back when someone said Sony would not allow the sell of used games. I hope that you will still be able to buy used games without having to pay again for the use of it. So how would it work for game rentals then? Would you have to download your rental and it automaticly gets deleted once your time is up or something. I don't like the idea to pay for something of which I am borrowing. Say if you have a game that you own and your friend has another game that he/she owns and you wanted to trade just to borrow, I would not want to have to pay just to play it. Kinda stupid. We might as well trade systems to save the money. But wait they might track which house your PS3 goes to also.... Just a thought.

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# nahGuest 2006-09-11 16:52
this is pretty awsome, it shouldn't be free though thats stupid, it would be awsome if you could pay less than retail though

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# only if you save to harddriveGuest 2006-09-11 16:56
dude i think it only charges you if you download it into your ps3 not just for letting someone else borrow the disc, so you can download the game to harddrive then let your friend borrow it but they would have to pay then you both have the game it would be beneficial too if you only had to pay like 75 percent of retail price like how post 4 was saying

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# stupidGuest 2006-09-11 17:02
i think this is stupid, and ive been behind the ps3 all the way but i must say this is a stupid idea. this is just another way to keep tabs and restrictions on ppl and thats just not gonna work cuz instead of it actually making sony money, its just gonna get gamers aggrivated and prolly get them no money thru that. and plus wat if somebody's ps3 gets messed up cuz he bought one at launch and wanted to play resistance on his new ps3, wat then, should he have to pay AGAIN to play a game he already bought at retail price? plz tell me this aint true

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# Guest 2006-09-11 17:17
Always trying to make money out of nothing. Bring back the good ol' days were game companies incouraged sharing with your friends for free without hassles in the hopes they'd get addicted too and by the game.



How that only works with good games, the crap games what a piece of the action too. You can't force us to buy crap games but I don't think it'll be anytime soon that the game developers grow a brain

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# If it can be used for transactionsContrAss 2006-09-11 17:30
You want to know theft? its called microtransactio ns and MS's new perishables. Personally, if i can get some points from buying the game and able to spend those points so they can get money then im all in. As long as i dont have to buy the points seperatly everytime.

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# People think of this the wrong wayVietone 2006-09-11 18:07
So some of you understand how this works? Some of you hate the idea?



I thought this might happen on the PS3. That each game would have a unique ID and each PS3 would have an ID as well. But I didnt think they would come up with something like this.



If you buy a game for the PS3. It can track the games ID. If sony allows it, you can download the game onto the HDD. Then take the game and pay a small fee to share it with other friends. Then you basically have the ability to play the same game on 2 PS3s and it would cost a fraction of retail for the 2nd PS3.



Then they could offer rewards. You get points for being the first owner of the game. And when you have enough points you can spend them on other stuff.



This could make used game stores alot less appealing.

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# ...Guest 2006-09-11 19:29
If Sony could've introduced this to the PS3, they would've. But they haven't because the infrastructure just isn't in place for the consumers or even on Sony's side.



And I can't understand how this can be seen as a good thing. This would just be another attempt to strangle consumers with DRM. Tracking of every user, with each copy of the game they are using, seeing who it is shared with. A building of databases of customers with personal information, credit cards, age, address, phone numbers, lists of friends, buying habits, game preference, movie preference, music preference which Sony will have at their fingertips and be able to sell to other companies (your rights will be listed in a non-negotiable EULA). Sony having the ability to eliminate 2nd hand sale of games and rentals too. The possibility of Sony remotely bricking your console if it notices a security breach. And to top it all off, we have to pay extra for it???!!?!? I'd rather stick a f@#king stick in my eye! No thanks Sony, we don't want it.

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# Guest 2006-09-11 19:59
Awesome. I'm glad you guys posted this.



In any case, I don't think we have to worry about this particular problem this generation.



But come 2012, when broadband/wireless saturation is expected to be at almost 90%? Oh yes. I could see this happening.

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# not goodGuest 2006-09-11 21:26
I buy alot of games second hand through stores or through ebay. I do not want to have to pay another fee to Sony just so I can play the game.



Same goes for rentals, I dont want to pay 5 bucks to the rental store and then 3 bucks to Sony when I put the disc in my ps3.



Also, this "copy to hdd" thing just doesnt add up. what if you have the 20gb ps3? Resistance is reportedly over 20gb already - how am i going to fit that on my hdd??

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# sony is watching uszorax 2006-09-11 22:15
This sucks, isn't it enough that sony's CD's had some spy-ware on them? If I want to borrow or rent games I don't want to pay twice! And I don't like to be watched and get my personal information spread....

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# For what!!!Guest 2006-09-11 22:38
There is no need to! Because the publisher already own a lot of money. Videogames are sold faster and much more than DVD's or Music CD's. Very good idea from Sony, but do they really need that, I dont think so. The only think there can block with that is, copying other peoples game on the HDD or even duplicate it.



-boo-

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# used gamesGuest 2006-09-11 22:45
Why doesn't sony just buy up all the used game stores and put them out of business?



Next they'll put gps in the ps3 so they can tell if you move it from room to room and charge you to use it on another tv set or make you buy a sony brand tv to use it on.



It almost seems they want to lose the console war with crap like this.

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# so...Guest 2006-09-11 22:59
can we rent PS3 games or what?

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# how will it effect renting games?hush404 2006-09-12 00:30
bahh!

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# Guest 2006-09-12 02:24
That is so ridiculous. Like the first post said, If you PS3 isn't connected to the internet, how will Sony know that a first time game has been played. And for all the people saying it wouldn't matter, because you don't pirate games, well how about If you go to a video game store and buy a used game. You put it in your PS3 and it says, "You have inserted a second hand game" and asked you to pay a small fee, but you just bought it, it's only been played because it's used, and now you have to pay twice.

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# It would be linked to the user IDGuest 2006-09-12 02:46
not the PS3 so if you're old PS3 broke you only have to log in with your account on the new PS3.

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# you did it again Sony?Guest 2006-09-12 03:32
Sony, why dig the grave also? This is very smart on the greedy big business side of things, but to the consumer this is annoying.



This plan is really just to track the game disk so they can figure out who is illegally copying them. Nothing more. it is also a way to kill off secong hand game shops.



So, what if I am over 30, but still enjoy playing games. I choose to play alone and don't have any friends who own a playstation 3 (say they choose to buy a rolex or a new golf clubs or something or a xbox 360) How do I benifit from this?



If I rent a game from blockbusters, how will that be handled?



If I buy a used game, after I payed or bought the rights to the game, I have to turn around and pay (Sony and publisher) to play the game. this would make the price equivalent to purchasing a new game. (Sony real intentions in the first place) Why not just buy it new? So this scenario would work if used game shops lowered the price of the used games or if Sony made a program where used shops had to register the game that they resell. That way Somy knows it came from a shop and not a friend.



I still feel that this is envading privacy by building a data base of who I let borrow my games.

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# they did this for ps2 online aswell...Guest 2006-09-12 03:33
try renting an old game that supports going online and then try to play online. chances are it won't let you. each ps2 disk had it's own i.d. thing. it's nothing new.

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# Good if true and cheap!Guest 2006-09-12 04:14
If the price is low enough for the second hand games, it's ok with me. After all developers of games deserve money from you if you play their game, whether the games ***** or not.

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# This article is wrong (confirmed)Guest 2006-09-12 11:11
This news was first spread about 3 months ago, slow guys... ^^; Then I read a confirmation statement from Sony that all these rumors are total fakes. Every single PS3 console will have its own ID number, this is a true fact. Every single PS3 game disc will have its own ID number too; this is also a true fact which was confirmed by Sony. This is why many people have speculated 3 months ago when they first heard these news that Sony will add restrictions or such anti-customer measures. People even worried about game rental system... However Sony said every PS3 game will have its own ID because every single commercial Blu-ray disc will have its own ID (including both game and Blu-ray movie). Moreover, Sony said they want to make PS3 consoles look something special and different from other next-gen consoles (X360 & Wii) by adding unique ID numbers.



(Why? Right now, the world’s most expensive and advanced cell phones are made from Samsung and some other Japanese companies. Samsung recently released one very expensive and world’s most sophisticated cell phone model – that specific cell cost more than thousands of dollars per unit. Because Samsung deliberately produced only about hundreds of this specific model, they have added unique ID number to every single cell. I’m not a crazy guy who would buy a cell for thousands of dollars, even as a gift for my girl, but when I heard the news which said these hundreds of cells were all sold out on the launch day, I thought... wtf... I think it was released only in Korea.)



Again, I have read the official statement from Sony that this news is a total fake. PS3 games will be perfectly same as X360 or PS2 or any other games. There’ll be no such restrictions in sharing or burrowing game discs.



If I can just remember where I read that official statement of Sony, I could post the URL here too.

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# what???Guest 2006-09-12 14:28
I dont know what to think about this artical. Im behind sony all the way, but I think that they should just leave the games alone. what they can do is leave it up tp developers and let the developers get the money in the end. I hope number 23 is right. because if people want to lend thier game to a friend or play with a friend the can do it cheaper on another system.

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