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French gaming website JeuxVideo have claimed that SEGA Europe leaked prices for 2 PS3 games: Sonic the Hedgehog and Snooker Championship. Although no official SEGA press release has been issued, JeuxVideo remains adamant that Sonic the Hedgehog will be priced at €67, and Snooker Championship will be priced at €73.
Although prices of games are different in the US, could this be an indication of US prices? A straight conversion of €67 to dollars would make Sonic the Hedgehog $86. These game prices for Europe could have no indication on how US prices will turn out, but after taking into account the usual difference between US and European games prices, we can expect PS3 game prices to be around $59-$69.
With current Xbox360 prices resting at around $60 via Internet retailers, we the price range of between $59 and $69 does seem reasonable. After all, we have to remember that Sony have to make up the deficit from their predicted losses on PS3 sales through the sale of PS3 games.
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Game's won't be more than $60USD end of story. Trust me, sony isn't sas stupid as M$ when it comes to selling games.... coz the thing is... the PS sells alot more games than the Xbox so really... their prices don't need to be excessive...
ps3 games will be around $70.. but everytime sony announces new pricing thats above 360's or wii's, you are always like "thats reasonable"... ITS NOT REASONABLE!!!! why should I have to make up for sony's loses by paying 10 dollars more than an already overpriced game? unless you are having an affair with phil harrison, you have no reason to keep saying every overpriced thing sony releases is resonable!!!
sony could have been smart, released known processing techniques, get a little less power(but still more than 360), and then sell the ps3 at the same price as 360. instead the invested billions of dollars into a processor, than loose billions on consoles, and expect gamers to pick up the tab.
PS3 is sony's last trump in consumer electronics. if they lose this battle they will very soon get wiped from consumer electronics. the TV division is already facing competition from samsung, LG etc. mp3 is also not doing great at all coz of ipod, toshiab, sandisk etc. psp is also lagging coz of DS. notebook always face competition from dell etc. I dont think at this juncture they'll be stupid enough to jeopardise their last resort. ps3 is the only survivor they have right now and they'll do anything to make it successful.
Too late, far too late.
how much is hat in £££???? olololllolololl lolo
first off, I admit to being anti-Sony for many reasons, etc... just so you know where I'm coming from.
but in the event that those numbers are real for Europe, has the price of European games often carried over to the US? Are 360 games in the high 30 euros? What I mean is, currently, does the Europeand version of the games convert to approx $60 a pop?
If in the event that is the case, and games retail for $86 or anywhere around $70, I'd have to think that it would be almost a nail in the coffin for Sony.
Once again, I hate Sony for how shoddy the products I have bought have been. While it's hard to believe ALL of the rumors, with the cost of the console and how powerful the games are supposed to be (and the evil UMD's more expensive than their DVD counterpart), I would not doubt that the PS3 games would retail at above the current $60 mark.
Dont you guys get tired of us calling you idiots?
when sony announced using umd's didnt they announce one of the main reasons was because they could be made cheaper?(simply stamping out a disc rather than making circuits for flash cartridge). but umd's are 8 dollars more than dvd's... and cost the same as their much better console counter part.
i think its time we put the ps3 out to pasture.
60 dollars will definitely be the stantard for now on
Also, you can't convert Pounds to Dollars based on market value of those currencies. For example a dollar is like 3 pesos in mexico, yet dinner in mexico cost about a dollar. So if a game in mexico is 70 pesos does that mean it will only be 23 dollars in the US? No. Is about buying power. When the dollars gets weaker does our rents rise? no! If the dollar were to suddenly match the Pound by next week then that will mean games will be cheaper in the UK 67 pounds times .82 = 54 dollars.
a 12 oz of orange juice carton that cost $1.50 in NY cost 3.50 pounds in the uk with VAT included of course. (this also comes from that fact that the US are the largest importers in the world). Therefore THINK people. Don't be persuaded by an incorrect assumption.
Just by looking at the prices it seems the price will definitely be around $60. Also I find the price news sketchy as most companies release games at the same price. Snooker Championship to cost more than Sonic? highly unlikely.
You think sony wants a format to compete with their DVDs? No. No one wants that. Why do you think there aren't there any UMD players on the market? If sony was out to push this thing they would have made players and adversite it everywhere. Well idiots it's becuase it was made for the PSP. It plays movies, nice, thank you sony for giving me the option to buy a portable movies for MY PSP something I cant do with any other handheld. The dvd format would have been impractical for the PSP.
The rom carts that nintendo uses arent compable with any other player would you consider them a failure. UMD vs DVD comparisons are idiotic at best (SONY is one of the Masterminds behind DVDs). People please argue about opinions but dont misuse facts. If I can argue your fact, that means you have misused a fact and it is therefore now an opinion. Facts cannot be argued!
this will help my dicesion for wich system my next game purchase will be for. (i have a 360 and im getting ps3)
Im a Sony Fanboy and when they announced the PS3 price i said ok no problem i will spend 600 bucks in the console, but now if a PS3 Game will cost more than 59 bucks well i will pass over Sony this generation.
There is no way im gonna spend more than frigging 59 bucks in game.
I rather set my hard earned dollars on fire than give anyone $70, let alone $86 for a game. The more I see this ridiculous prices, the more I'm becomming a PC fanboy.
I tend to be gullible I admit so I have to ask, is the VAT explaination the truth?
and, TheProfessor, it sounds like you are saying that UMD movies were designed to fail. Why would Sony want to compete with DVDs? because they have (I believe) a monopoly on the UMD player market, being only the PSP.
To the 'DS not compatable with other players is a faliure' argument, If there were cheaper, better quality versions of the games available for another device, I would likely buy that instead but that is not the case.
and enough with calling people idiots for having an opinion that's not yours.
lastly, to Avid_Gamer, I used to be the ultimate PC Fanboy, but wow, if you want to complain about the cost of a PS3, I quit upgrading my PC about a year ago because it seemed like I'd have to drop $100 to upgrade something in order to play the $50 game.
sony was a mastermind behind dvds? um you better recheck your media history, sony has lost ever past attempt to bring out a format since it started, beta died to vhs, mmcd vs dvd we kno who one that one, umd and mini disc had no direct competition and they lost even faster. sony has a history of going overboard with specs with most devices not caring about the consumers pockets. if blu-ray games are over 59 well then i sure as hell wont buy a console that cost as much as 7-8 of its games lol
yo everyone stfu and be smart about this it isnt going to happen until i get a word from sony or a real major company such as rockstar or something worth buying anyway about a price then i will say something but in the mean time im about 85% sure the games will cost just as much as 360 there will be no difference what so ever and if they are it will most likely be like a $5 difference at most nothing to make you want to kill yourself and i honestly feel the WII's games will cost $50 but ps3 and 360 games will cost $59.99 so stop witht his xbox fanboy ***** and wii fanboy ***** and be smart about this and stop just bashing the ps3 not the bloggers the *****ing commentors who just take every nes they can find and bash sony im not a fan boy to anything but you people are so *****ing dumb.....
according to wikipedia (which I know is not always 100% accurate) Sony was a player in the DVD media but not a major one. It was mainly a creation of Philips and Toshiba.
Considering that 360 games cost the same, I don't see the big deal about this.
If you look at past history, Europe has always had to pay more for their consoles and games. Whether it be taxes or what ever. Even if it cost 86 dollars in a straight convertion, how much do xbox360 games cost over their? what were the price listings for older systems when games came out for them in europe? I beleive either Kyle M is using this 'leak' to stir up argumants and anti-ps3 statements or just isnt doing his homework enough to know that the Eurogaming market isnt a viable source for comparing prices internationally . A better comparison would be japan game prices to american. We pay about the same as them. Wait till we get the jap/american prices before you leak out floppy info like this. Plus only time will tell.
They annonced that the PS3 will ship at 499 and 599 pounds. The American PS3 is shipping and $499 and $599 and we all should know that the pound is at least 1.5x the value of the dollar. Yes they do get ripped off but that is no indicator of how much the stuff will cost in the US. The most PS2's were sold here in the US and the most games were sold here by far (I live in the US). Sony will not shoot it's biggest market in the foot and give M$ the easy advantage. And Sony remembers what happened to Nintendo when they charged $10 for the same game on the N64.
at the cost of making a 50gb Blu-ray disc, sony loses money on every game sold that is less than $70, at $70 sony makes a very VERY small amount of cash. but again, they are sacrificing that profit, inhopes of Blu-Ray will become the standard.
and when they announce a $70 MSRP, i expect the sony fanboys, jsut like they did on the PS3 announcement, to tell everyone that for $70 its still an amazing deal because if sony took their full cut of the price of a game, they would be $90-$100 per game.
be thankful you are getting $70 per game and not $90 per game.
Wasnt it announce that at least two blu-ray movies were being release at $19.99? If they can dish out high definition blu-ray movies for 20 bucks already, even if they are a year old on dvd format. Getting mass quantities of bluray games printed shouldnt burn a hole in their pockets. THe blank discs may be costly for us still but i beleive sony holds the liscensing on the format, so their not losing any cut to fees. Games for the US will be the same as the 360 if not cheaper. Europe cost more because of tax's, translations and its not the main market. Simple as that.
"at the cost of making a 50gb Blu-ray disc, sony loses money on every game sold that is less than $70, at $70 sony makes a very VERY small amount of cash."
If you think it costs about 70 dollars to make a blu-ray disc you are insane or just dumb.
you sound lyk any other sony basher lol
and no, it's not that expensive.
please track back to your source for "expensive blu-ray" and it won't be a substantial one. only pricey part is installation, and that's what you should already be ready to invest.
I just don't like HD-DVD....
if you want to make a new media, make a new media and make it good. don't just marginally improve it.
and what the HELL is with the $70 mark.....WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THAT?????
unless it's from a believable source, please be quiet:D
but then again sony needs to make money back some how and over charging there client base seems to be the way. since they finaly made a console with more than 2 control ports and a hd, they cant charge for the extra stuff so they may just need to get money from other sources!!
and remember this sony was the ones that made the $49.99 price for games because before that games where $60-$80 usd even for the nes. so it looks like we're going full circle. and even now i dont like to spend 49.99 on a game let a lone 59.99
that source is technically sony europe wich was also right about the ps3's price when they anounced it so this statement about game prices would have leverage. i dont remember a nes/snes game ever costing me 60$ unless it was an anime based import. hell the sega nomad was 150$ in its day. gamers are going to notice big time when they peek into an ebgames/gamstop store look at 1 wall and see a few 60+ priced br games and turn around and see a few 360 titles at 59 and alot are around 30 now preplayed ofcourse. ill take a used lower priced game over a high priced one any day at gamestop.
I bet they stay at $59.99 third party and $49.99 first party. That's $10 up from current Sony standards but games across the industry have been expecting a price rise since the early 90s. Games can't be $50 forever.
OK, the biggest hooplah around is Sony using blu ray right?!!
and the blu ray holds alot of gigs of memory VS. hd-dvd?!!
correct? well if microsoft is selling games around the $60 dollar mark..you can bet your grandma's ass that Sony will be pricing their games more than the 360 games. Sony will end up backing their games with quotes like..."blu ray is not cheap, $80 dollars is the cheapest we can sell em"...." we are already taking a cut from the console's"...
cmon, ya cheap people...they are gonna use the so called best technology around to date, and you think they are gonna sell for cheap? I DONT THINK SO!!
Sony console: $600
online games: free
games: arm and a leg....lol
Sony's fall to microsoft: priceless....
dats why im getting wii and 360 end of story.
okay man this is gettin crazy. i am not going to spend nearly 100 bucks on a game if it really is around that price..WOW i cant believe it has gotten this expensive for something that entertains us for a while then we either sell or trade it for little value or keep it for no reason..that is crap. If games do get that high i am not going to buy any more systems cause its just way to expensive for me..dont you think?
i do not make enough for crap that is above 50 bucks..what the hell are they thinking Geezus why do software cost so much when they know not everyone can afford it..okay i know they need to pay the developers but DAM 60-70 bucks..holy *****
well these games better be like 200 gb in size or sony's gonna be screwed.
Well What i think is that if ps3 games are beter than any other game before it they have the right to Charge Extra However, i dont think that its too smart of a move simply because of all the competion from Nintendo and Microsoft. I dont know how large of an effect it may just turn out that enough people are willing to pay extra for games.
this reminds me of the article a few weeks before E3, where the European CEO was being interviewed, and he said the PS3 would be within the 499 to 599 pounds range, and people freaked out about the US conversion and were like "OMG!!! THE PS3 IS GONNA BE $800 DOLLARS! SONY IS TEH DUMB!! ARRHGOWEIFNOINF SEIN!!!!!1!!11!!!!"
my advice? relax, and take *everything* read on the internet with a large grain of salt. we'll have all our answers soon enough.
also, video games have been $50 for over 20 years now. the prices were bound to go up eventually. and a $60 to $70 price is fair for a true Next Gen game, considering the work that goes into it. charging $60 for Tony Hawks American Wasteland, Gun, King King, and DOA4 was a ripoff. charging $60-$70 for Final Fantasy XIII, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Assassin's Creed, is fair to me, as those games are really pushing the technology. same thing for games like Gears of War, Huxley, and Brothers in Arms 3. these games *aren't* cheap to make.
if games had been $20 for the past 20 years, and suddenly jumped up to $30, people would *still* ***** and moan, because 20 had been the standard for two decades. the standard has changed. and for the first time, the technology is actually worth it. come on, was $50 a fair price for Super Mario Bros. 3 and it's "lifelike" graphics and physics? for a game that you could beat in about an hour if you were good enough? no. games nowadays are finally delivering on the promises that companies like Atari and Nintendo were claiming back in the 80's.
do you guys go into a fancy restaurant and complain that the steak you ate costs too much, and should be the same price as the steak you got at Denny's? hey, they're both steaks right? so what if they taste completely different, and the quality of the steak is evident in it's smell, even before it touches your lips?
as for Blu Ray? Sony *created* Blu Ray. they don't need to take a cut of the price for it. also, they already stated somewhere (i can't remember the article at the moment), that Blu Rays only cost slightly more to manufacture than a DVD (say the DVD costs .25 to make, a Blu Ray would cost .50). what you are paying for is the time and effort and technology the developers used to make your game. just like a movie with heavy special effects, it's not cheap to get the best out of that technology. game development is no different.
i think $50 to $70 is fair price for Next Gen games on the 360 and PS3. do you guys really buy, like a hundred games a year? i only buy about 1 or 2 games (new) every 2 to 3 months, if not longer. anything else, i'll snag once the price drops (usually to $30 or less). some of you folks really make mountains out of molehills, and jump to conclusions based off of nothing more than unsubstantiated rumor.
I reminded you of all of that.
Wow
when you compare a fancy steak(say $100) to a dennys steak(say $10) you really arent comparing 2 of the same things. you are getting most likely an entirely different cut of beef. with the ps3, all the games comming out the first year match or arenot as good as the 360's. plus ps3 games mainly will only be as good as the 360 games the first few years(untill first party devs get a grasp on the technology). and *gasp* xbox's prices were the same as ps2's even though the games where graphically better..... but when the ps3 comes out with better graphics for $10 more, you know its bad... xbox kept its technically-more-powerful-than-ps2 games the same price as ps2 and the console was the same price as ps2, so this time sony is taking a bold step in adding another level to game pricing, their console is more, their games are more... just like another ill fated system.
with the steak analogy, you *aren't* getting an entirely different cut of beef. if Denny's is saying it's a T-Bone, and the fancy place is saying it's a T-Bone, then it's a T-
Bone, and they should be compared as such.
anyway, ditching that analogy and addressing the games issue, the PS2 and X Box are of the same generation, and the differences in technology between the two weren't as large as the differences between the 360 and PS3 will be in a year or two.
also, you can't compare second generation 360 games to first generation PS3 games. the 360's first gen games pale in comparison to the PS3's first gen games (i've played both, so i think i can compare the two fairly). it's only going to take developers about a year to do some amazing things on the PS3, and i'll give you a few reasons why off of the top of my head:
1) Sony has been adamant about giving 1st and 3rd party developers more customer support when it comes to developing games for the PS3. this is something they failed to do for the PS2.
2) They've also aquired a lot more middleware to help developers also (ie, the Unreal Engine 3 is powering quite a few games for the system. like Brothers in Arms 3, which is scheduled for launch, and looks amazing). As an aside, I've been reading lots of developer interviews, and more and more are saying that the PS3 isn't nearly as difficult to develop for as initially thought, and is much better than the PS2 was at this part in it's lifecycle.
3) Blue Ray. The massive storage capacity of Blu Ray is already enticing a lot of developers with the thoughts of better graphics and resolution. This statement seems to be repeated in the interviews I've read today for Tony Hawk: Next Generation (working title), Mercenaries 2, Brother's in Arms 3, Final Fantasy XIII, Ridge Racer, Stranglehold, and Fatal Inertia. The developers behind those titles all repeat that because they don't have to decompress information so much in order to squeeze it onto a DVD (which the 360 supports *only*), they can put in higher rez textures and better quality audio files, as well as store more game assets in general. it's already been stated that the reason why Oblivion didn't use higher rez textures was because the DVD just didn't have enough room.
Sooner rather than later are the visual differences between the two consoles going to become readily apparent (just look at the sneak peaks of Final Fantasy XIII and the Naughty Dog game, both confirmed to be running real time on PS3 dev kits, using the respective engines the developers designed exclusively to take advantage of the PS3).
now, all of this was said to get to pricing, and first gen 360 games were *not* worth the $60 that was being asked. first gen PS3 games may not be either. but i doubt they're going to be costing $70 or $80. also, that's completely up to the developer to decide, and is not just Sony's decision. If I remember correctly, Sony was the first company to sell *all* of it's First Party titles at $39.99, when everyone else (from Nintendo to Microsoft) were selling their titles at $49.99. I imagine Sony will stick with the standard set by the 360, and charge $59.99 for games for the PS3. they aren't stupid, and they know that the $600 price tag for the premium PS3 is asking a lot from the consumer. we'll just have to wait and see, and i'm tired of speculating, actually.
Y Im getting an exc high def console that is capable of
AAA off n online games
And like +50 more things with just that console
Yes Its X360!!!
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1: DUH it doesnt cost $70 to make a disc, it costs TODAY $45 to make a disc, by the time the PS3 launches it will be about $37 and it will cost sony in reality around $33 per disc to make
2: You have to remember, that THE MONEY HAS TO PAY FOR GAMES BEING DEVELOPED. games arent made for free, sony cant just say "We want blu-ray, you guys are getting a paycut!" no, sony is the only one who can foot the bill for the extra cost, unfortunately sony MAKES around $35 PER GAME SOLD thus meaning to negate the total cost sony is going to be forfiting all profit.
3: REMEMBER Retailers sell games at a small markup. thats around another $10 going to the Retailers.
Add in how the Cell is harder to program for, meaning longer development times, and the fact that longer development times mean the project costs more, translates into the need for the project to require more money to be finished.
$70 is more than fair for how many hands it travels through, dont call me a sony bashing fanboy because i point out that SONY NEEDS TO MAKE MONEY ON GAMES and selling games at a loss for years before the technology becomes strong enough for them to start regaining that money is plain stupidity.
and like i said above, sony fanboys will accept this $70 price when sony announces it, and they will add their own crazy logic to why its better than a $50 game.
while the actual plastic used for the disc is estimated at $0.0001 the fact that so few of them can be massproduced and the fact that they are going through extensive testing (many of the early and first products end up being defective, to prevent your Next-Gen game from being burned on a defective disc, they go through quality testing, its not perfect, but it does grab 99% of the bad discs)
after all that, and the primitive process they have currently going, the cost of wages, labor, and hardware makes the cost quite high as MANY of the discs first produced are defective, ESPECIALLY with a lazer for the disc that is so small and can be defective with any miscalibration at all.
you guys are morons who in their right mind will dishout more than 60 bucks for a game oh yeah a sony fanboy
My uncle works at Naughty Dog and he says Cell is not hard to hard at all. He says its way easier to develop for then the PS2, plus Sony's help makes it even easier. He also believes the price is going to be $60 and more. I just want all the FU**Ing sepeculations to end because most people are just annoyed and tired of all this. Why can't everyone just wait for all of the details, then form their opinions? Before the 360 came out, the same was said about the 360 prices, how its going to cost $70- $80. Look how the price to turned out for their games. What do you meanComment#38
"And like +50 more things with just that console?" I dare to name 50 things 360 is capable of. Plus, 360 is not a true high-def console. I can tell you are a 360 fanboy because no one would say something stupid like that.
What makes you guys think Blu-Ray disk are astronomically expensive?
Well then again most of you are fanboy morons that believe any negative rumor about who you think is your competition. Blu-Ray disk are a bit more expensive to make but relax it's not that much more especially when your talking about manufaction millions of them at a time.
Please educate yourselves.
about a buck more to make, so where in the heck do you guys speculate expensive games. If anything you might want to blame 3rd party developers for a price increase not SONY. You want an example, look what EA did when the 360 came out.
um, saying that the 360 is "Not a true High-Def console" just shows that YOUR a sony fanboy, as pointed out, that phrase was coined by sony, and where thustly after many o consumers who bought sony HDTV's that output only 1080i/720p said that sony did false advertising if ony 1080p is consitered "True High Def"
720p is high def, trying to say it isint is just stupid.
not JUST that, but VERY FEW PS3 games will even USE 1080p.
TheProfessor where did you see $20 for a Blu-Ray movie? currently it costs $20 for a single layer BD disc meaning to sell a BD movie for $20 they would lose money as they need to pay for content, shipping, and then leave some $ for retailers to sell the product.
Please, Educate yourself before posting.
just to correct some of the data on here.
new games for the 360 in the UK are priced 45 to 50 pounds - about 85 to 94 dollars.
online they can all be bought for maximum 40 pounds - 75 dollars, with many now coming down to 30 pounds (56 dollars). Amped 3 now sells new for 18 pounds or 33 dollars on play.com - one of our biggest websites.
within a couple of months, all new 360 games will be down to 40 pounds or 75 dollars on the high street with older titles selling for around 30 quid (56 dollars).
all of the above prices include tax.
as for the 3.50 pound carton of orange juice - DUDE! what are you drinking? tropicana is less than 2 quid (and still overpriced at that). it's hardly a good comparison though since oranges are grown a lot in the US (e.g. Florida), but have to be imported to the UK.
anyway, we can afford more for games. we're richer and better than you.
Thats exaclty what I want everyone to releize. Europe have always paid more for their games, so why is everyone here is complaining that the PS3 costs too much? Plus the same always asked question, how hard is it to come up with $600.
500 quid for a console is a total joke.
the playstations have been popular here as a sort of cultural thing. the seething underclass of scum that infests england loved the ps1 which turned it from an averagely successful console to a stellar one.
fact is, 500 quid will alienate this market. they'll go for an xbox 360 at about half the price, especially when grand theft auto comes out for it.
I know the argument is that it's a blue ray player too. but very few people will want to pay that much to be in the first wave of owners. sure it's cheap compared to the dedicated players, but mass uptake of dedicated dvd players didn't kick in until they hit about 100 quid. sony's argument about blue ray will be destroyed when blue ray players get that cheap, and they'll have to slash the price of the console which I doubt they'll be able to do profitably.
add to that the fact that blue ray seems like the wrong horse, and I think sony are totally screwed.
I hope so at least. never forgave the sony marketing machine for what they did to the infinitely superior sega saturn.
I don't care how great a game is, I never pay more than $60 Canadian (Excluding tax). That is, unless it cures cancer or prevents AIDS. And I'm pretty sure PS3 games don't quite live up to that standard.
Three words, Sony: Hasta la vista.
The Duck Has Spoken.
http://www.tapeandmedia.com/detail.asp?product_id=BNR25AHE
You can buy a BD-R now, for only $14.99!!
And that's a Sony Blu-Ray disc!!
Also, most games will initially use only single layer BD discs, in a few months Double, and then maybe Quad in a few years!!!
Just like PS2 games used CDs at first then DVDs the Double Layer DVDs!!!
yay a $15 disc, now movies can be $30 rather than $35
no, all P$3 games HAVE to be on a dual Layer disc. if it is on any other format size it wont run as a P$3 Game.
so look for the Dual Layer prices.
Go to amazon and type: blu-ray
here is an example.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EZ7ZY0/qid=1149729800/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/104-9622072-0925532?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130
Remember that recordable disk a currently lot more expensive. Completely different from what the cost is for the disk used in manufacturing movies and games.
The orange juice price was from last year when I was in central London. I am sure that if I shop around I might find it cheaper but you can say that for NY as well. But yes the Orange Juice was a bad example as london imports most of it.
But here is a better one, how about the PS2?
US price: 299.99 dollars
UK price: 299.99 pounds
This is news to me. Thanks for the info but could point to a source so that we know you're not pulling this out of your ass.