Or you could have gotten an XBOX 360 for $200 cheaper and been playing the exact same game for the last 11 months now. It's really good and has over 100 hours of gameplay.

how bought i dont want the g@y60 because i like sony 1st party games and dont want a console whos most killer apps are shooters

then he would miss out on all the other great PS exclusives.



And its a $100 difference for a machine that is comparable to the 360 premium sku + a BR player + potential.



You should know that by now... quit spinnin things fanboy

OMG why are you bothered which console this comes out on,it's the same game and it's a PC PORT the only thing I would worry about on this latest portover is if the constant loading times are okay.

Now look! you can't have it ALL ways one minute you say "But the 360 is stealing all the PS3 exclusives" which would mean that they have all types of games wouldn't it,and remember this post is all about Oblivion which is a PORT from the PC to the 360 and now to the PS3.



Would you like to tell us what the biggest killer App for the PS3 is? and I take it you will not be silly and say a game which is not released yet as you could not possible know if it were fact.

Yeah, but how often do you have to upgrade the graphics card in your console before you can play a new game?



The answer is NEVER. Unlike a PC.

The Hdd Stream Data at 34.5Mb/sec...thats 3 times Faster than the 360 12X dvd drive...Not Counting the Blu-ray With it..



They Only Need you To Pre-Install a Small Amount of the Game containing the Most Frequent Files..

"i would worry about regarding the PS3 version would be the slow speed of its blu ray/dvd drive as the game constantly loads throughout play."



Those are your Words..



The above Post is Reply to them...



The Hdd comes as Standard....so It can Be used for Streaming in Real-Time,Which Cannot be Accomplished on the 360,since the Hdd is Not Standard...So the Hdd is Used as An Extra Only..[Cant Be used to Stream..Or CORE ownerz Wont play]



You do Understand....Dont you.. ;)

AS USUAL YOUR REPLY EVEN THOUGH MY POST WAS ABOUT PC AND PS3 YOU COME OUT WITH SOME ANTI 360 STUFF,I did NOT mention the 360 YOU DID,I was comparing the PC to the PS3 and the Blu Ray drive and loading times BUT every post you seem to reply on EVEN PC SIDED ONES LIKE MINE you ALWAYS mention the 360 what has this got to do with the 360 and why the biased PS3 comparison you use,like I said please do not post on any of my posts as I am fed up with your anti 360 arguments NO MATTER what the subject you always bring the anti 360 into it

Blue Dragon was created by the same guy as the Final Fantasy series. This game is already out in Japan so should arrive in the US pretty soon. Fable is also an XBOX RPG series due out soon. I guess you only heard about the shooters though...

This is a good example of desperation, of course you own a 360 it shows so much you do,the hardware!Oh you mean the hardware that was in the 2005 E3 show for both machines right?PS3 was showing resistance under development and 360 was showing Gears,after the show the 360 run smoothly and games like Gears is the result WHEREAS the PS3 had a major failure on the Blu Ray but this did not stop game development only the release of the final hardware so in fact they had every bit as much time to develop Resistance etc as they did with Gears,(Water under the bridge)your hd_dvd speech as a 360 OWNER YOURSELF I am sure you have read which format the main industry in this field has chosen right?,and I am sure the sure that you AS A 360 OWNER use Xbox live and you feel cheated by its excellent service which works out very cheap over a year YER RIGHT,go play on your amazing so called Free service its just so good eh...and just keep buying those games you have so many amazing titles to chose from.

It supports some of the things I was saying in my response to Broken_Hero's HDD claims only yesterday;



http://ps3.qj.net/Funny-Ken-Kutaragi-Quotes-a-fan-boy-litmus-test/pg/49/aid/79353#comments

"The Hdd comes as Standard....so It can Be used for Streaming in Real-Time,Which Cannot be Accomplished on the 360"



Of course it can be acheived on the 360, the HDD does NOT have to come as standard to make it possible. It's the same argument some use to suggest developers cannot install data onto the HDD to speed up load times on the 360 IF they wanted too. This is also completely wrong!

i didn't see your post before i replied, but you said everything i was thinking, only you said it much better. great post. :)

"Even though that PS3 games were announced during the E3 2005, most of the games that SONY showed in their presentation were CG animation. And they never said that the dev kit was ready for all videogames companies to use. So your claim that PS3 developers had every bit as much time to develop games are FALSE."



Fight Night 3 started developement on the PS3 and was shown as a realtime demo for the PS3 at E3 2005. Resistance was also running in realtime at E3 2005 (and was then called I8). The devkits for PS3 were actually more powerful than the 360 devkits at that time, because the PS3 devkits featured Cell running at 2.4Ghz and two 6800s in SLI configuration, whereas the 360 devkit has a single core PowerPC processor and a single ATI graphics card comparible to the 6800.



That's why EPIC showed Gears of War running on their PC setup at the time, and not on the 360 devkits, unlike other 360 developers at E3 2005 (hence the rather unimpressive showing for the 360).



As stated by 'larry the lamb', the 360 devkits matured faster than the PS3 devkits because the 360 was launching earlier, but the devkits where still out there for those who needed it on BOTH consoles long before E3 2005.



Yes there is a time difference between both consoles, but that time difference is 4-6 months, the difference between the 360 launch and the original PS3 launch date (spring 2006). The fact that the PS3 was delayed is irrelevant to the fact that the difference between the two consoles is not 1 YEAR as stated here, but really 4-6 months.



"A 5 months is not enought to develop games, so thats a proof that the XBOX 360 games was already in development way before the E3 announcement...you got that!"



The same applies to PS3 games. Resistance for example came out 18 months after it was first shown running in REALTIME at E3 2005! Same with Fight Night, which was a PS3 game FIRST, and Heavenly Sword has been in developement for many years, since I first read about it when EGDE magazine in the UK ran a developer dairy from Team Ninja for 6 months in 2004/2005, a feature which ended once the game became a PS3 exclusive.



So the use of CG at E3 2005 for PS3 games was to blow away the competition by 'proving' Sony's claim that the PS3 was twice as powerful as the 360 (and MANY fell for it), it was not because game developement hadn't started yet!

"Fight Night 3 started developement on the PS3 and was shown as a realtime demo for the PS3 at E3 2005. Resistance was also running in realtime at E3 2005 (and was then called I8). The devkits for PS3 were actually more powerful than the 360 devkits at that time, because the PS3 devkits featured Cell running at 2.4Ghz and two 6800s in SLI configuration, whereas the 360 devkit has a single core PowerPC processor and a single ATI graphics card comparible to the 6800.



That's why EPIC showed Gears of War running on their PC setup at the time, and not on the 360 devkits, unlike other 360 developers at E3 2005 (hence the rather unimpressive showing for the 360).



As stated by 'larry the lamb', the 360 devkits matured faster than the PS3 devkits because the 360 was launching earlier, but the devkits where still out there for those who needed it on BOTH consoles long before E3 2005.



Yes there is a time difference between both consoles, but that time difference is 4-6 months, the difference between the 360 launch and the original PS3 launch date (spring 2006). The fact that the PS3 was delayed is irrelevant to the fact that the difference between the two consoles is not 1 YEAR as stated here, but really 4-6 months."



Actually, i just watched the E3 2005 again in my PC and most of the videogame companies didn't receive their dev kits yet. Only selected developers received their dev kits early, not all of them. Also, this doesn't guaranteed that they have started creating games for the PS3 during the E3 2005. That's the issue with SONY because they were behind giving out their dev kits to the developers. Even MOTORSTORM was created as a CG during their presentation.



The CG was running based on PRERENDERED PS3 spec only and not the actual dev kit itself.



Yes there is a big relevants here because:

1. PS3 Dev kits was incomplete when they given out to the Developers (after E3 2005).

2. It's hard to create games in PS3 compare to XBOX 360, every body knows that. So comparing the time development in making games between two consoles is outrageous. Developers needs more time to adjust and adapt for the PS3, not like the XBox 360.

3. Spring 2006 release is not possible due to Blu-Ray issue and readiness of the PS3 system.

4. Spring 2006 release is not possible due to games availability on launch day.



"The same applies to PS3 games. Resistance for example came out 18 months after it was first shown running in REALTIME at E3 2005! Same with Fight Night, which was a PS3 game FIRST, and Heavenly Sword has been in developement for many years, since I first read about it when EGDE magazine in the UK ran a developer dairy from Team Ninja for 6 months in 2004/2005, a feature which ended once the game became a PS3 exclusive.



So the use of CG at E3 2005 for PS3 games was to blow away the competition by 'proving' Sony's claim that the PS3 was twice as powerful as the 360 (and MANY fell for it), it was not because game developement hadn't started yet!"



Fight Night Demo was prerendered based on the PS3 spec and not the actual dev kit itself. Heavenly Sword was created first for the PC before porting it to the PS3. Creating games for PC, is different than creating games for PS3. They have to start from scratch, not like the Xbox 360.



False, E3 2005 SONY CG presentation was created because the game wasn't ready yet, so they based it only on the PS3 spec . You can't launch a next gen system (ex. Sping 2006) when games and the system are not ready...thats the bottom line..period.

In no particular order;



>"Fight Night Demo was prerendered based on the PS3 spec and not the actual dev kit itself."



WRONG! Here's a video of the Fight Night demo from the E3 2005 Sony conference;



http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/video_player/popup.php?sid+6126114+pid+928375



(This site will change the equals characters to plus characters in the link, therefore change the two '+' characters to equals).



Quote: "...And just to be clear though, this is all running live in realtime on renderware on the PS3".



So tell me, which part of that comment did you not understand?



>"Heavenly Sword was created first for the PC before porting it to the PS3. Creating games for PC, is different than creating games for PS3. They have to start from scratch, not like the Xbox 360"



They do NOT need to start again from scratch, that's nonsense. One of the most advanced game engines out there is EPIC's Unreal Engine 3, and they managed to port it to the PS3 in less than two months, in time to show a realtime cinematic running on their game engine during the conference.



http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/615/615152p1.htm



>"False, E3 2005 SONY CG presentation was created because the game wasn't ready yet, so they based it only on the PS3 spec . You can't launch a next gen system (ex. Sping 2006) when games and the system are not ready...thats the bottom line..period. "



More excuses I see, since SOME were CG (Killzone, Motorstorm) some were realtime. So, you're saying they knew they were couldn't launch the PS3 in the spring even though they announced it at E3 2005 then? I guess Sony were lying all along! But if you believe Sony thought they could launch in the spring 2006, then the fact that they couldn't is SONY'S fault. So stop making excuses, the hardware and software wasn't ready on time and Sony have no-one to blame but themselves, that's 'the bottom line'.



Regarding the devkits, what do you suppose Fight Night 3 was running on during the conference, an imaginary PS3 devkit? Other realtime demos running on the PS3 were the Getaway demo, I8 (now Resistance) and Heavenly Sword (except for the first several seconds of CGI).



You can see some of these games in the following showreal from the conference (of course, you can tell which are CG, despite some thinking they were realtime back then);



http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/video_player/popup.php?sid+6124973+pid+928383



(same rules about '+' applies to this link too)



And regarding the devkits;



http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id+59596



"Sony's current development kits for PS3 are reported to be closer to the architecture of the final hardware than Microsoft's current Xbox 360 kits, but the inclusion of parts like the Cell processor always had the potential to hold up the manufacture of kits, since the production process for Cell is still in its infancy."



So like I said, at that time, the PS3 devkits were more powerful than the 360 devkits, but the 360 devkits improved faster. The fact that Sony couldn't produce enough kits to meet demand, the fact that their hardware was delayed and the software not ready is Sony's fault since THEY set the launch date for the PS3 to spring 2006.



>"It's hard to create games in PS3 compare to XBOX 360, every body knows that. So comparing the time development in making games between two consoles is outrageous. Developers needs more time to adjust and adapt for the PS3, not like the XBox 360."



Outrageous? LOL! Oh so it's unfair now is it? How many more excuses are you going to use. Once again, the PS3 being harder to develop games on compared to the 360 is Sony's fault, nobody else.



>"1. PS3 Dev kits was incomplete when they given out to the Developers (after E3 2005)."



So? I doubt 360 devkits were at a much better state 4-6 months prior to E3 2005.



>"3. Spring 2006 release is not possible due to Blu-Ray issue and readiness of the PS3 system.... 4. Spring 2006 release is not possible due to games availability on launch day."



3 + 4 is Sony's fault. As I'v

Okay some of what you said was indeed true, but microsoft has also come up short of it's promises.I mean we had to wait a full year before Gears of war arrived and it was shown at e3 04, 05 ,06.The fact that you can only watch wmv(windows media video) format on it is obsured.Ps3 numbers in japan has already doubled the amount of 360s' sold there.Oh and speaking of Fight Night the sever on Ps3 performs better than the xbox live counterpart.Also let me mention that the Ps3 devkits final hardware wasn't released until March 2006 sit near the Game developers conference.





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