Rockstar having problems with 360's "limited capacity" |
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The GTA franchise has already gathered a strong following through out the years. With Grand Theft Auto IV though, the fan base will be divided between the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3 (PS3). If you have the former and therefore will be playing the video game title on that platform, we suggest you take this next one with a grain of salt. This is part of the interview conducted by the Official PlayStation Magazine (OPM) with Rockstar Creative Vice President Dan Houser:
OPM: On PS3 you've got a guarantee that every machine is going to have a hard-drive and, with Blu-ray, you've got plenty of storage, whereas on Xbox 360 there's no guarantee of a hard-drive and you're working with the DVD format. Does that create limitations?
Houser: Yep.
As if realizing what he just uttered, Houser followed up the rather short answer with, "To be honest with you, we haven't solved all those riddles yet. The difficulties aren't limited to working on Microsoft's box. Both have enormous challenges, both have their own particular pleasures and pains."
However, Rockstar is reportedly giving a select group of press people a demo and preview of Grand Theft Auto IV using a 360. We guess we'll all just have to see when the game becomes available on October 16.
Via CVG
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LoL For me 360 version Core IS SUXXXXXXXx;;; M$ it s crazy of create one console Non HD this newgen . Much games in the future required HD .............
...after all the calmoring and smack-downs that 360 fans have been yelling with regarding this game, if the release actually gets postponed or if Core owners would have to buy the hard drive just to play this game. The wisdom of the PS3 mandatory hard drive and BluRay might be proven with this game.
only a matter of time befor something like this happend. but who knows could be good or bad...
Thats why the PS3 is better! Maybe the next GTA after IV will have to be PS3 only because of the limitations. Then there would be planes!
Thats why ps3 doesnt have 1 game over 9.0, except a 1 yr old port from Xbox 360. Nice! Its alot better. Xbox 360, Halo 3 , Gears of War , Mass Effect, Forza 2. All on one console. Killer
I NEVER said anything about the 360 having limitations. These folks jumped in between a conversation my team was having and misheard. We were talking about the cost of the PS3's Blu-Ray discs and how slow they are to load such a huge environment, that a block of the game will be installed on the PS3's hard drive, while on the 360 we don't really have to do that. They totally misinterpreted what we were referring to. Please ignore this "article". Thank you for supporting our company!
Sounds like a sad 360 fanboy trying to stick up for the 360.
take that all xbox360 fanboys yes i love my ps3
are tellin you they are having troubles with the retardness of M$ and you can only defend with "we have better games." In less than a year, what excuse will you have? Remember xbox screwed up and went a whole year earlier.
I think the problems with blu-ray and gaming have been addressed by Oblivion. For those who dont know, they had to duplicate files in diffirent places on the blu-ray disk to allow it to stream files and have a reasonable load time due to the slow read speed compared to DVD. So is more space worth it if you need to put the game on there 2-3 times to componsate for the slow read speed? Google it if you dont believe me. I think the artivle was on IGN. I do agree not requiring a HDD was stupid tho.
I knew this issue would eventually come up and bite the 360 in the as*...Microsoft really screwed up with having 9GB's for games...they really rushed the 360 out, it helped for a good while but now it's coming back to bite them in the as*....oh well, I'm sure to get a copy for both my beautiful consoles...
Of course, Dan House will come UNREGISTERED to a stupid post your comments crap on QJ, kuz, you know, he doesn't have any better place to say this.
zomg OWNED
no rockstar would only have problems with the disc capacity if they wanted GTA to be uncompressed (but take a hint, we don't want slow loading games like the craptastic ps3)
People still buying this piece of crap for halo3 did you heard the new sound of the new xbox 360 elite wow and this fall you will buy a new version of 360 lol... the super elite this time!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sddxz4U__zg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fultimateps3%2Efr%2Fforums%2Fviewtopic%2Ephp%3Fid%3D417
You didn't even read this article did you? lolololol I rarely have games on my PC that takes up past 5gbs on my hard drive. This isn't about Optical storage issues, its about Rock Star worrying about the X360 CORE SKU having NO hard drive, and it looks like this game probably needs a hard drive for some of the in game features to work or even the game working fluently. Next time, Read up on what you are commenting on.
A 12x CAV drive like the one in the 360 will be 12x speed for around 15% of the outer disc, that figure is peak performance. The closer to the inner ring it gets the slower accesses get (5x speed on the inner ring) - probable average: around 8x speed. Another interesting thing seems to escape everyone is that the 12x DVD drive in the 360 only reads dual layer discs at a maximum of 8x speed. As it was in single layer, the 8x speed is peak performance. The 2x speed BD drive performs quite well in this case: a BD25 on PS3 fares better than a DVD9 on the 360. The great majority of 360 games are and will be pressed on DVD9s. Another interesting point with existing CLV BD drives is that they do not have the dual layer penalization with DVD dics. If a BD drive is rated to read DVDs at 8x, it will read dual layer DVDs at 8x as well. This is why Sony is comfortable with its choice and knows it will hold its own against MS's choice in the DVD format. Caching thankfully minimizes either DVD or BD's shortcomings, and careful authoring on either format will help minimize speed issues. These technicalities shouldn't matter to a true gamer and any advantages in either format will in all likelyhood go unnoticed in any regard to the untrained.
lol why are there more ps3 fans on this discussion board than 360 fans. and why do we have to get all up in each others a$$es about what console we have. i have a 360 and am looking forward to the game although this article makes me feel a bit shi7 about the implications it might have but oh well. I'm sure it will be an amazing game nevertheless on both consoles. i really hope it isn't but if its better on ps3 then good for you. we miss out slightly but im not in any way wishing i'd bought a ps3 instead. stop being douchbags
How old are you? "Craptastic?" Do you people actually use these terms? You would have got beat up in my neighbor hood. PS3 rulz and you just can't handle who is in authority. Just like Budweiser claims to be the king of beers, ms spouts about their dominance. All it is is a watered down wannabe.
Failure for OLD video link. even if it's a week old, I got near 8 friends who got elite (Not I, I got launch console, still standing no issues) and each and every single one of those elites have no sound issues and sound alittle bit more quiet then MY 360. Sir, you are made of pure failure.
Its all about the cache on the hard drive. Virtual ram any one. Thats why all the GTA games were better on the PC. This will come back to bite them in the Elite Hole for sure. Same thing was said by other developers like Square, Tecmo, and Namco. The only reason people are developing for both is production cost. Give Sony a year or two and it will be the same old story and more exclusives.
do you know what your tlaking about? the bluray drive speed is 2x yea. but its different when you compare it to the dvd. a 2x bluray is about equal to an 8x dvdv drive which is what the 360 has correct me if im wrong because im sure the numebrs are very close to that.
lol, Yeah, this kid may be young. Good luck with your PSTriple Homie :-p
what about the new version this fall wifi maybe !!? blue-ray a sorry!!lol hd dvd at last you no PS3 check this out this fall!!! with home and little big planet and Grand Theft Auto 4 on blue-ray :) PS3 rule already .
Alright, PSHome is pretty much the "MMO" community "Second Life" only pretty much all Asians. (No real problem here) Little Big Planet? a side scrolling action adventure game. Sounds kinda original... I guess. GTA4 on Blu-Ray isn't much different then GTA4 on DVD.
For some reason I sometimes get the feeling that PS3 fan boys usually look something like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25LceCPO1ys We are talkin about the PS TRIPLE. >XD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqr1r9jIU0s and this is him trying to cover his own ass from the last video. *Sigh* Great lulz. Someone please tell me other wise. (WARNING: VIDEOS NOT SAFE FOR BRAINS)
stupid people..."google it if you don't believe me" oblivion was better for ps3 anyway...i know that it had more dev time you *****s....this just goes to show you that the future for the ps3 is brighter.....
I really know what the next 360 gonna be calles: Xbox 360 Wiifi - witha a new wireless controller called "elite nunchaku"
you sound like a blabbering idiot...if you're going to support something at least make sense(sheez, what a moron)
I knew xbox would be ruining the ps3's version of this game...rockstar should just stay with dev on the ps3 then put it on like 2 dvds for 360...lol..
WHY????? dammit o i guess i cant play this game on my xbox ohhh wait i have a ps3 DUH? hahahaha...lol thats why is always good to have all the systems!
A 12x CAV drive like the one in the 360 will be 12x speed for around 15% of the outer disc, that figure is peak performance. The closer to the inner ring it gets the slower accesses get (5x speed on the inner ring) - probable average: around 8x speed. Another interesting thing seems to escape everyone is that the 12x DVD drive in the 360 only reads dual layer discs at a maximum of 8x speed. As it was in single layer, the 8x speed is peak performance. The 2x speed BD drive performs quite well in this case: a BD25 on PS3 fares better than a DVD9 on the 360. The great majority of 360 games are and will be pressed on DVD9s. Another interesting point with existing CLV BD drives is that they do not have the dual layer penalization with DVD dics. If a BD drive is rated to read DVDs at 8x, it will read dual layer DVDs at 8x as well. This is why Sony is comfortable with its choice and knows it will hold its own against MS's choice in the DVD format. Caching thankfully minimizes either DVD or BD's shortcomings, and careful authoring on either format will help minimize speed issues. These technicalities shouldn't matter to a true gamer and any advantages in either format will in all likelyhood go unnoticed in any regard to the untrained.
dah it limitate to have less, it's a stupid question, and it doesn't mean the xbox360 is inferior at all! He told that everyone had there own difficulties, I suppose the had a hard time at 1st with the ps3, and like everyone who wanna port x360/ps3 (or reverse order) they are having a hard time porting since the machines all totally different (multi-cores prossssor (8cpus), powerPC). But anyway, I'll have it on the ps3 since I'm not gonna own an xbox360 (already had some, now it's 6 feet under)
So, how many red lights these xbox 360 e-133t version has? My bet is 4, because it's e-133t...
wordd i jsut hate fanboys i own both systems and they are both great end of story
left side of map (start city) on disk 1 right side of map (2nd city) on disk 2 i hate m$ big time
ok! It's true that the PS3 has better hardware feature for ambitious next-gen games. But xbox360 have more install base. So PS3 owner have to suffer from that. Don't get me wrong...M$ already prove that by releasing the X360 elite to get closer to the PS3 hardware. If it was not the case they didn't have made it...no. Why lose more money on fabric. It's a marketing shot! And if blu-ray win , trust me they will have a blu-ray add-on, and blu-ray drive in there next xbox. Now for GTA IV it will be better on X360 even with those limitations. Why... because they already know the hardware ( tennis table...) So maybe xbox owners will have to switch disc for each island (joke), but it will run smoother. Sony Fans have to wait there turn on this one.
xbox 720p PS3 1080p
Oh, its nice to finally see PS3 owners jumping for joy, it really is. Congradulations! Of course, rockstar failed to mention that they will also have an enormously easier job of meeting their goal of "no-loading-screens" with the 360, as opposed to the PS3 trying to load gigs of data off of a 2x drive.
All they have to do is release Xbox Super Elite for $599 which includes a blu-ray player for games and everything will be solved!!
lol i can just picture it...your driving...STOP! please insert disc two!...lol OMG way to kill one of the best games...
How many red lights does your box has? Maybe M$ swaped the red lights to blue lights...
Read above...they come out to the same read speed at the end of the day...what sucks is xbox killed it for ps3
I rather watch loading screen instead of watching $500 red lights on my console...
PS3: 1080p XBOX 360: 1080p NOOB!
wow..this sounds really bad...i felt like crap buying the 360 is the first place..
i don't have a problem with this!!!! i've got a PS3!!!! i don't think i'll need to worry about it for a couple of years..
BD 2x [more data to load + slower disc speed + DUPLICAE DATA! [whats the point of more space???}]
you fail at life.
I saw the articles on read speeds as well (although also can't remember where). PS3 read speeds are well below that of the 360. I have to admit that not making the HDD mandatory on the 360 was a rookie move though. Core users have to buy a $40 (AUD) memory card to save games anyways, so why not just charge a little more and add the hard drive?
sorta, but not TRUE 1080p...I guess upscaling is good enough though.
@Slipstream0 non need for dupe data the 4.3GB cache on the hdd solves the issue.. the game loads extremely fast and runs smoothly :)
This post just attracts a dumb debate. most if not all of the people leaveing coments don't understand what is really going on------------consol games are allways crapy compard to pc games and its still true. ------------If its not released on PC someday I will be sad.
lol lemme get this straight you can dis a library that has a whole few months under its belt with games that havent even been released yet hmmm i think we should be able to add some games noone owns yet 2:)
LOL you know these xbots on our board really used to get me mad but as things start forming up and they get more and more desperate they have become just funny lol keep it up boys i need the laughs at work
...why Xbox 360 has better games than PStriple? Lol, even with your blu-ray thingy with 50 gigs you can´t do a game with proper textures in the Pstriple... Lair, Hevenly Sword, Resistance... all these games have textures that look like *****. Gears of War is still the game with best graphics in consoles. So f$ck you Sony Boys, Xbox 360 F$cking ownz. And the GTA4 Xbox 360 version will be the best version. Acheivements!!!1
360 fans trying to make it sound like a bad thing that they had to duplicate data for Oblivion on the disc and that you have to install a part of the game on the HDD. Well that's another reason to have Blu-Ray and 60 GB: so you can have a better game like the PS3 version. Also: WHERE THE F*** IS MISTER COMMON SENSE???
lol ownd upscaling doesnt count if they didnt have to make games for both consols everything would be 1080p not 720 im really worryed that the xboxs limitations are going to hold down the quality of games for the ps3
i think org. poster might not be a native english speeker have a little tolerence for spelling/grammer and focus on the ideas being presented
I haven't commented because this is obviously a lie, if you actually knew anything at all you'd know the 360 is perfect in every way and anything even remotely criticizing the 360 is a complete lie. It's actually the PS3 that Rockstar is having trouble getting GTA4 to work on, it's just a mis-print. Nothing bad can happen to Microsoft.
I think I may join in the ranting on as many of you do here inside this "forum". First let me put on my tard hat and start typing words that make no sense. Here we go... I hat m$ cuz they stil monay from me. I they yoused to had that thing where halo went cool but then I don't play it man I like chocolate and playsttion 111 yas.
well i knew that in the end the foward thinking behind the ps3 would really shine through but this fast wow cant wait things can only go up and up from here im gonna love watching all these people talking trash eatting there words lol
Anyway just try to transfer your save game or profiles on other storage with a xbox 360 and its suppose to be easy!!? lol with there new cable :) Me just put my duo stick on ps3 and save my thing that it! OH i love to says my stick on ps3 :) maybe some day!!!!
the game's load times are the equivilent of that of the PC versions which means almost instant loads in some cases and almost always less than 5 seconds.
What's up with the "PS Triple" stuff? Is there actually a reason, or is this just the new "gaystation" or "Wiicube" term?
Have your *****s ever seen the inside of a *****? Nerds, man.
"I think the problems with blu-ray and gaming have been addressed by Oblivion. For those who dont know, they had to duplicate files in diffirent places on the blu-ray disk to allow it to stream files " That was denied by the developers. They simply install to the hard drive.
This comes from Official Playstation Magazine, a magazine officially licensed by Sony, so Im betting its just ANOTHER bull***** lie that sony is trying to pull. In the end it wont matter, because despite the Core having no HDD (and who buys the Core without buying the HDD anyways? wtf), Rockstar will still be making the game flawlessly on the Premium and Elite consoles. Not only that but Im sure just as every single other multiplatform game released between PS3 and Xbox 360, the 360 version will not only look better (SCDA anyone?), but it will also play better since almost every PS3 game has framerate issues. So while you PS3 *fanboys* have your day in the sun now, we 360 fans will remember today and be sure to throw it right back at you when our version is ultimately better like always. Sad, especially concidering half of you tards dont even know what youre bashing about. The article only states that theyre having trouble with the CORE 360s, and almost no one has a Core anyways.
is it just me or nobody here can spell... i can't understand a damn thing some people say or type, like this fool... "OH i love to says my stick on ps3 :) maybe some day!!!!".. is he saying he loves to play with his little stick?.. anyway, you know whats funny with all this ranting about the 360? the demos and previews coming out from it are from the 360.. ironic dont you think?...
Yes it does. That was the whole point he was trying to make.
A 12x CAV drive like the one in the 360 will be 12x speed for around 15% of the outer disc, that figure is peak performance. The closer to the inner ring it gets the slower accesses get (5x speed on the inner ring) - probable average: around 8x speed. Another interesting thing seems to escape everyone is that the 12x DVD drive in the 360 only reads dual layer discs at a maximum of 8x speed. As it was in single layer, the 8x speed is peak performance. The 2x speed BD drive performs quite well in this case: a BD25 on PS3 fares better than a DVD9 on the 360. The great majority of 360 games are and will be pressed on DVD9s. Another interesting point with existing CLV BD drives is that they do not have the dual layer penalization with DVD dics. If a BD drive is rated to read DVDs at 8x, it will read dual layer DVDs at 8x as well. This is why Sony is comfortable with its choice and knows it will hold its own against MS's choice in the DVD format
to think u shud hav enough brains to think of ur own name...
This site REALLY needs a tougher mod. Or at least make membership to this site a mandatory thing for posting comments. Im pretty sure half of these comments are from the same 13 year old kid. At least if we had everyone registered as a member we would be able to tell who is an idiot and can skip over their posts when we see their names. Ive been coming to this site forever now and ive seen so many newcomers get turned off because of immature people posting repeatedly under different names. If you guys are sinscere about being a legitamate news site then at least have some control over the people you let *add* to your news stories (i.e. the people who comment). Most of the comments on almost every article has nothing to do with the article itself, just a bunch of flaming fanboys trying their hardest to get at each others throats. And for what? Its not like theyre gonna win some prize or something. And if any of them really wanted to woo someone else over to their console they wouldnt diss and treat the person like crap. You catch more flys with honey than you do with vinegar. But whatever, its all pointless in the end.
I don't know I don't have an Xbox360. I have a PS3. what do you think... I like to be futurproof too. :) AND MKII online IS AWSOME!!!!!
L M A O !!
in the interview they asked a very one sided question, they asked if the 360 had complications, the answer was yes, so all you mother*****ers just ran down to the bottom and started posting comments... if you remember, the article said that both sides had limitations.... remember when they were making oblivion for the ps3? they had problems with the video ram not being large enough. with a huge ass game like GTA, you are going to need all the ram you can get, but the ps3 cant deliver on that aspect. like it or not, the 360 can handle more background detail. look at any game released on both consoles. the 360 had more going on in the back (more leaves on trees, less fog covering up the city, etc.). and oblivion caches on the hdd on the 360. its simple, if it has a hdd it uses the cache, if it doesnt, then it doesnt use the cache. and the article never said how sever the limitation was. but 360 has some of the best compression tequniques available. now if the interviewer had asked "Does the ps3 have limitations" and the answer would be a definite "yes" then this comment section would be full of people saying "God Damn Xbots coming into our comment section posting comments :'( "
My 360 broke a few weeks back and I had do ship it off to M$ for repair. They've since fixed it but now require payent for their shoddy repair job before they will ship it back to me. Of course I do not have enough cash to cover the repair because I still live at home with my mommy (if I had any money I would've bought a PS3 instead... duh). So right now I've been working it off with the help of my best buds, getting bent over the arm of my mothers soft leather couch and earning $0.05 for every @ss packing session they have at me. I'm up to $20 right now, and plan on having enough to pay for the repair in a few more days. We'll see if my @ss can keep up with the demands, it sure is sore.
This was bound to happen sooner than later. I'm not in a worry though. I own both consoles and I'd be more than glad to buy it on my ps3 and launch it from "HOME". :)
"and who buys the Core without buying the HDD anyways? wtf)" the same type of people who settle for a 20GB ps3. but the ps3 still has a HDD in it. So when 360 fans bash the 20GB ps3 cuz its discontinued... we can all look back at this quote and know that the 20GB ps3 doesnt suck since it was discontinued...thanks for clarifying
I knew something like this would happen lol wooooooooo
I am the biggest 360 fan in the world and am loving my new Elite, but something tells me this game will just be better on the PS3 Once MGS4 is out and if reviews say GTA is better on PS3 I'll be getting one
lol... good one... ;-)
Wait until the PS3 has sold a few million more units (which will be achieved by MGS4/Lair/FFXIII/etc./etc.), then Rockstar will probably be more inclined to tailor the next GTA for the PS3. Especially if they're learning the 360s restrictions the hard way now. The future looks bright! The future looks... PS3!
none of this matters the fact is these so-called limitations will not stop this game from coming to 360 and will not stop this game from selling 360s and will not stop this game from selling the most on 360 so sony fanboys you can stick it.
this game will be the same on both platforms, there are no limitations on the 360, developers always want to do more but current technology limits them when the next systems come out you are going to hear developers say this game was just not possible on ps3 or 360, that is why the developer said both got their limitations wether you are getting this game for ps3 or 360 you will not be dissappointed because it's the same game.
this interview is also coming from the official playstation magazine, so you know the writer is going to make it sound like the game will be better on ps3 which it won't, basically a bias article - discussion over.
you are so right man
Why does rockstar have already a version of GTA4 running in the 360? If they were with a lot of problems they would have a GTA4 running in a Pstripple.... PStripple SuXXoRzzz!!!
Why are they showing the demo's on the 360? More people own a 360, so they will sell more units on this platform and hence have developed for this platform first. The 360 sales are more inportant to Rockstar than the PS3... this is true for all multiplatform games at the moment. I love you 360 and PS3 fanboys... Buy both consoles and enjoy the benefits of both. By the way, I am a lucky chap and can play Home on my PS3 already... It's not that good, but shows promise. At the end of the day - Rockstar consider the 360 more important than the PS3 for the moment. the limitations of the PS3 are that the games are firstly developed for the 360, which means that games of a multi format variety will be the same... probably a little better on the 360 as they are the 'unported' version. It's all about the money fanboys, so look at things in the twisted way that you do, it doesn't make a difference to peeps like me who own the whole lot.
Ha ha ha, you can't enter this street, please change disc. No you can't fly over here please put in disc 3. Stupid Micro*****. The game would be already out if they didn't have to make it for X360 and face problems. Hope they will not ruin the Ps3 version of GT4 cos of the X360's limitiations. :/
"Another interesting thing seems to escape everyone is that the 12x DVD drive in the 360 only reads dual layer discs at a maximum of 8x speed" That's completely wrong. You're making the assumption that the DVD drive in the 360 is a standard 12x DVD drive, where the 12x speed is for single-layered discs, with dual-layered read at 8x or lower. The DVD drive in the 360 is rated at 12x for dual-layered disks in the official specs. This is like many 16x DVD drives, where they read sl at 16x, but dl at 12x or less. Only dl disks are used on the 360, therefore it's 12x, but on the PC, the drive in the 360 would actually be a 16x DVD drive.
...because the devs will do that as they don't know what they're doing but you do. None of what you said will happen, so stop acting so stupid! And they will be facing problem on BOTH systems, so no, the game will not be out if it was PS3 exclusive. Again, stop acting stupid.
Wait until this...wait until that...if this ...if that...devs will do this...devs will do that...cell will be this...cell will be that...just wait and see Xbots, just you wait and see... The wishful thinking of PS3 fanboys. :)
this is y next gen gameing sucks. its because of the 360. it might have gd hardware but limited amount of disk space and 360 core doesnt have a hdd. so games will be smaller, less detail and in lower res 720p ps3 has a built in hdd and bluray so ps3 games can be at 1080p , bigger and saved onto the hdd y do u think gears of war is so small? 360 is killing next gen
pros and cons, pros and cons
The fuuny thing is look at the news section and look at the sales for the PS3 is the USA its now dieing there just like it is in Japan, so why dont you sad PS3 owners jump up that news like you do with any negative 360 news?.
buy a new xsock 380 elite and you will get a brand new dvd of Jem and the Holograms.. hahaha gaybox yeah Ps3 is on my side and sony love you!!!!
Man, it's fanboy city in here... Why are we having the same old discussions about disc space when the aticle is about core systems not having a HDD? I'm sure Rockstar are pretty good at compression these days after being able to fit the everything in San Andreas on a DVD & the excellent Vice City Stories on a little UMD, surely they can fit a new GTA on a dual-layer disc. OK, there may be problems with core user not having as smooth an experience as pro owners but f*ck those guys, all you have to do is say how much HDD space is needed on the cover
YOu do realize this so called news comes from Official Playstation Magazine dont you?, what would you say if they said the opposite and it came from the official 360 magazine?, something like MS are using their money to pay Rockstar person to bull***** etc, FFS grow up and wait and see..
agreed on Quixand. having ps3 does make HD gaming easier. buy a game for it and enjoy. game programmers and consumers are really reaping some pleasure on sony PS3's design. to mr hahaha, Xbox360 dont need Blu-ray it has its own HD-DVD drive, all they need to do is to make the 360 read HD-DVD games through its external HD_DVD drive add on. i think dual layer HD-DVD 30gb is sufficient to have the GTA4 complete content, but i doubt that the xbox 360 HD-DVD can be programed to be used properly with it because if it can then MS should have enabled it when the add-on was launched.
My GOD I am such a TOOL!!!
HOW YOU DOING ASS HOLE? I can see you have even more free time than ever. My console I got back last march is still working fine. Why aren't you playing your awesome selection of 2 PS3 games? DO SOMETHING ELESE WITH YOUR BOREDOM, LIKE BLAME YOUR ASS BUDDY KEN KUTARAGI! HE'LL BE HAPPY TO MAKE YOU A PS4 THAT COSTS $1000 AND PUSHES SONY'S NEW PURPLE RAY FORMAT THAT USES 500GB DISCS!
I got the datel Xport hard drive docking station and I can transfer all my game saves between memory cards on the original XBOX or 360 and hard drive easily.
Both consoles render at 720p native resolution, and can output at 1080p. END OF DISCUSSION! 1080p native resolution may be possible down the road, but not any time soon.
Yes they do. Have you heard about "the rings of death"? Overheating problems? The xbox 360 is overated...
Why do the PS3 fans make it out like every 360 fails? They're jealous of the 360's success, plain and simple. The 360 version of GTA will have downloadable content, while the PS3 version will not. That is the biggest difference between the two.
Those first two posts weren't me (the actual original MCS) but I commend you the first guy. WELL SAID!!!!
Thank you for making this site worth visiting!
Keyword addon not everybody has it and the're not going to make a game to play o an add on that not everybody has, genius!!!! And this was an interview by OPM not the opinion of OPM.
it will end the same way... Now in which game I heard that? :-)
Did any bad things happen to the PS3? Are you sick of the 2 remotely entertaining games yet? Is the PS3 somehow NOT overrated? I mean, it's more relaible, but what the hell is it good for? Of course something that never gets used and has only been out for 5 months is going to be more reliable.
hang on hang on hang on, wasn't it just the week back that someone !!cough!360 fanboys!cough!! were saying that there is NO need for extra space that blu ray brings, "it doesn't matter if they have more space you can still fit it all on a dvd with compression" (360 does have good compression techniques but...) hmmmm i don't know if that sparks a light !!cough!sarcasm!cough!! oh and oblivion doesn't load like every area on the ps3 like the 360 does
i own a ps3 but i don't think it will be that big of a deal for the 360. rockstar is a decent developer, they will figure it out. enough fanboyism...
The end result is all that matters, not what the developers say in excerpts of an interview skewed by an OFFICIAL PLAYSTATION MAGAZINE! I'm sure they are having just as much difficulty with the PS3 having 1/5 the memory bandwith of the 360 and the non unified memory architecture, as well as the PS3's single general purpose CPU core.
was done on a computer using Linux, so whats your point!
haha.. You do know that the ps3 have better graphics and all.. even with the new "elite" thingie they still cant be compared with PS3.. Oh and btw.. why are there so many PS3 fans here? its simple.. because there are more PS3 fans than 360 fans.. They are just waiting for the price to drop........
Nothing you said there is correct. You're a typical clueless fool. Still, that's why the interent is great, even dumb guys like you can make a contribution. :)
"oh and oblivion doesn't load like every area on the ps3 like the 360 does" Because Oblivion on the PS3 was released 1 year after the 360 version. Didn't you know that? ;) All systems have limitations, they all have there pros and cons, which is why in the game you mentioned (Oblivion), the devs had to duplicate large amounts of data across the disk to make up for slower performance compared to the DVD drive in the 360. Hence negating some of the extra space. Of course 360 fanboys will say the extra space on Blu-ray is not needed, but that's no different to PS3 fanboys saying DVD is not enough. Compression IS something which can be used, but also multiple disks can be used too (just as they were for Blue Dragon and numerous PS2 games last gen!). So the issue for devs on the 360 is that they have to think about the possible of using multiple disks for very large games, whereas they don't have this issue on the PS3. However, on the PS3, they could (and some have) had problems with video ram, since they can't increase it in the way they can on the 360. And Blu-ray has issues too with speed, so they have to provide options such as to dump many GBs of data onto the HDD to improve performance (seen in some PS3 games) or repeat data multiple times on the disk to improve seek times (as they do in Oblivion). Both consoles offer techical challenges to developers. That's a fact.
in a later interview they said that data was duplicated on the 360 version also and that it's not that uncommon.
Rockstar can't use the hard disk in any 360 game for full 100% Cache. You see game developers like Rockstar don't know exactly how many people own the Core or Premium or Elite. So they don't know exactly who is going to be playing the game on their 360 using the hard disk or not. On the other hand every PS3 ever made has a hard disk. So the PS3 version will be the one with the advantage on using the hard disk as cache.
are you retarded? you do realize if they were producing for only one console the production costs would be cut in half? youre a moron. go ***** yourself
360 is overhiting white peace of dvd9 junk, and you know it,stop lying to yourself.
This site is getting worse by the day..
It wasn't a problem with Oblivion was it? So there ya go.....
Yeah it was on the PS3's awesome Linux with no GPU and 200mb RAM lol! That Linux is sooo useful ha ha!
i too have noticed this. :(
Now the whole community just feels a little bit stupider after reading code2006's post.
oblvivion uses the cache on the hdd on the 360. know your stuff before you post ****
yes...you are right...except the dvd drive doesn't read at a constant 12x!! read DerDude's post above you fool!!
if the ps3 version has to suffer because of limitations of the xbox 360 then I WILL BE SUPER PISSED. Now who says blu-ray was a mistake huh?
SILENCE EVERYONE THE SENSE OF WHICH IS KNOWN TO BE AS 'COMMON' HAS SPOKEN!!! IF IT IS SPOKEN BY WHOM IS KNOWN TO BE AS THE MR OF COMMON SENSE THEN IT SHALL UNQUESTIONABLY BE SO!!! DO NOT DARE TO DENY HIM!!!!! (WHERE THE F--U--C--K ARE THE FACTS TO BACK THIS UP???? ESPECIALLY THE 360 SUPPORTING 1080P NATIVE RESOLUTION...???)
The PS3 is more like the next generation from the Xbox 360 so developers should make separate games with the PS3 games being better.
a Cell processor running at 3.2 GHz, the clock speed most often cited. At this clock frequency each channel flows at a rate of 25.6 GB/s. Viewing the EIB in isolation from the system elements it connects, achieving twelve concurrent transactions at this flow rate works out to an abstract EIB bandwidth of 307.2 GB/s. Based on this view many IBM publications depict available EIB bandwidth as "greater than 300 GB/s". This number reflects the peak instantaneous EIB bandwidth scaled by processor frequency.[23]
I doubt there was a problem since, it was on the PC first, Than the 360. A dvd9 is enough for that game. Since Rockstar is making the game for both at the same time I'm sure it is hard to have all that space on a blu-ray and than try to fit it on dvd9. It's OK, 360 owners will be happy to pay for downloadable content to make up for a shorter game out the box. You got to love an Xboy, there's one born every minute.
That is the only way to ALWAYS come out ahead.
Yeah you get to pay for extra missions. You are soo lucky. It would suck if your console had some kind of "next-gen" Media format that could hold more than just a dvd9....wait for it.....Oh that's right the ps3 does that already. Why do you think it went from "both games will be the same except the 360 will have downloadable content" to "the games will be different following the opening mission strand" because they can and probably will add more to the ps3 version, just because they can.
Non"sense" is so busy playing his 360 that he trolls ps3 news. In case you didn't know being more reliable (I spelled it right btw) means you are not sending it back to get fixed. That allows you to actually play games, it would also curb some of your trolling.
Did you have to buy another pesky add-on? Of course you did, you bought a 360. BTW did you just shoot a commercial for that thing.
I've said it before, Microshaft screwed the pooch, when they didn't put a harddrive built-in. It's doesn't matter, what the DVD drive is, programmers have to program every game, as if the harddrive wasn't there, because of the core system. They should have at LEAST included a built-in harddrive. HD-DVD drive, yea I see the point to keep costs down, by not including. But HDD's are cheap.
Exactly, another uneducated fool who really has no idea what he's talking about, just tries to make it look like he does. I remember when PS3 fans were going on and on about how all the games would be 1080p months before PS3 came out, then Sony gave everyone the shaft and said none for launch. There still isn't an amazing 1080p game
Sorry for this but just 1 word... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
killzone,lair,heavenly sword,the getaway,mgs 4,ff13,white knight,uncharted drakes fortune,gran turismo 5,ps3 home,little big planet,ninja gaiden(remake but awesome), and a tonne of other games. i saw some idiot wrote about gears of war and how the games on ps3 wont match those graphics, but i guess he doesnt know about motor storm cause he doesnt have a ps3 . anyway, when killzone his shown at this years e3, then these microsoft fanboys will sh*t their pants. have these guys been keeping up with their news and not seeing these awesome games coming out on the ps3. did you losers see the exclusive games ive mentioned and all of them are KILLER APP. what does the xbox 180 have, halo 3 a overated garbage that golden 007 on the n64 is trouncing on. xbox has had their crap out for 16 months, ok ps3 has been out for 5 and the 1gen games on the ps3 is trumping the 360 except for gears of war. ***** the xbox 180, im on my thrid one and it still says disc error for no reason and conks out after about 40 minutes.
Who cares if it's 2 discs on 360? Metal Gear Solid is one of the most critically revered games of all time, and it came on two discs. Same for FFVII, FFVIII and FFVIX: three, four and four discs respectively. When you get to a certain point in the game (campaign wise, not location wise), swap out the disc, never put disc 1 back in. End of story, hardly inconvenient, and 99% of consumers wouldn't know or care they were buying a 2-disc game. It's a stupid argument, as long as the storage format doesn't drive up production costs consumers don't care (as in the cartridges from N64). Both versions will be nearly identical, with the 360 version likely having better textures/shaders etc. because that seems to be the case with most dual-platform games till now. The PS3 may have higher-resolution audio and FMV's, and perhaps more intricate crowd AI due to it's multi-core format. The bottom line is, both games will be extremely similar if not identical, and this argument is completely moronic. PS: Sorry about the proper grammar and punctuation; I can see that it isn't common on QJ.net's discussion pages.
o yea i forgot to say, i love anal lube.
They NEVER said that. Here's where they spoke about this issue on the PS3; http://www.gamese*****ch.com/2007/01/ps3_oblivion_seeing_double_to.php Now go find the same said about the 360 version or just STFU fanboy.
Take Oblivion for example. The game runs with or without a HDD. Those with a HDD benefit from better performance due to the use of the HDD, those without don't (well duh!). So you don't need a HDD built-in to benefit from it. Just like ALL those PS3 games which give the option to dump 4-5 GBs of data onto the HDD to improve load times. They are using the HDD as an OPTION, therefore would work with or without a HDD. So it's NOT a problem. The only difference on the PS3 is that it's one less thing to consider.
...we all believe you have a 360. Why didn't you just end your post with "So there, nah na na nah nahhhh". It would be no less childish than the rest of your post. :) Anyway, I'm sure you have to go to school now...so bye.
The task of every Developer is: get past limitations and maximize (hardware) utilization. GTA for Xbox will have reduced texture resolution or use compressed texture. Maybe WMA 64kbps for the radio station to save space and fit in its DVD9. GTA for 360 might go for 2048x2048 texture - uncompressed, or WAV files for 10Hr radio stations as it has 50GB for storage :P In the end, there will be minimal differences or you might not notice them at all. You have to understand...the day of Exclusive titles is gone...the goal of Business is to maximize profit!!! "Exclusive titles" are the titles that developed by company that doesn't have much experience in other platform....or the company just don't have enough budget to run 2 development team at once. Actually the company can just license a multi-platform game engine and use it... END OF GTA-4-360 VS GTA-4-PS3, DVD VS BD VS HD-DVD STORY. Buy the one that cheaper :P Games will go multi-platform for sure!!! if you run a game company, can you really miss 6 million potential buyers that own XBOX360?
haha, all along I thought the xbox 360 had a built in power supply, then I found out it's outside the box and it's massive. It's funny to me that's all. Yeah about the PS3 and blu-ray. I always wondered what will happen when games use more space than what a xbox dvd can hold. haha, can't wait to see comparisons between xbox and ps3 with GTA4. Even if the difference is huge and been CONFIRMED I bet people will still think that it runs better on their system. lol fanboys, without them the world will be a boring place! thank you for being an idiot and making others feel better! ^_^
"http://www.gamese****ch.com/2007/01/ps3_oblivion_seeing_double_to.php" The system for banning words can really mess up sometimes. :D Anyway... the missing letters in my link above are t-w-a-t :) i.e. for 'game seT WATch'.
Well said UhHuh. It's a point many fail to grasp (usually out of choice rather than ignorance).
G4 says the Ps3 has Nothing on the 360 and they arnt just saying that they compared it... OOOOOOOOOO i got a sixaxis controller... I havnt heard of ps3 live chat... or voice chat for that matter You bend over sony fans will soon find out
Somebody a lil touchy today? Yes I believe somebody is... Why don't you just go grab one of your mindless, shallow DVD9 games to play with dated technology from back the 90's, that outta make you feel lots better! Ciao +)
yo if 360 gets blu-ray we might as well call it da Playstation 360
Wen u buy a HD-DVD player 4 ur 360 da price becomes da same, but Blu ray 4 ur info is currently outselling HD-DVD, guess sony picked a good thing, and i think ull c dat with GTA and later games like Mgs4 n Killzone 2
How long has da 360 been out?... By da end of this year the ps3 will have Mgs4, Killzone 2, hevenly sword,and Home, n i kno these r not out now but u named Halo 3 in ur list...its not out yet, O n hav fun playing Gears of war with da lag problem
slow load times...r u serious...My ps3 is fast as hell, u kno its stupid as hell to say bout load times, Wat do u want...1: wait for about 2 seconds mor to play ur full game, 2: let it load fast 4 halfas5 5hit, kinda reminds me of da 2 systems release dates, 360 came halfas5 witho out HD-DVD, or u waited alittle n got a PS3 with blu-ray, a FAN, Wi-Fi, n free online
ur a dumbas5 4 buying mor memory, u dont hav a webbrowser on it so getting videos is hard, just wasted space in my opinion, N 360s copying lots of things...looks like dey can see how da PS3 did it rite there first time around
Yo nuh duh theres mor PS3 fans heres... THIS IS PS3 updates dumbas5
Home is a virtual world were u can chat n mk friends n 5hit...theres different servers da asian hav a different 1, ill b in my virtual Home playing Pool wit my duds chating away n ull b just looking at ur screen bored as hell, N i bet if sumthing like Home came to da 360 ull b happy as hell....ur just hateing on it cuz ur not gonna hav it, n 4 My little big planet...Das not really sumthing to brag about but it has crazy graphics, n Kid owners of a ps3 will have fun with dat
ok u act like da ps3 is dat slow..no its not, n Who givs a 5hit bout dat, Do u want a full game, or a halfas5 1 with about 2 seconds faster load times?... n thanks 4 da congratulation, mks me feel like da Ps3 n 360 ppl r finally getting along...lol
wel this is interesting but i own both platforms 360 and PS3, and own Oblivion on both so lets begin, PS3 not once has it frozen on me, the loading is just damn stunning on ps3 yet with my 360 i had to restrain myself from launching the damn machine out the window cause it always freezes on me, face it 360 uses outdated pc parts in a white box while the PS3 is all designed from scratch never before seen new technology.....thus innovative and yet because of new tech development might be slow but o boy when developers knows what makes her tick the 360 will fade like a dim memory as it wil be overshadowed by the rise of the PS3
360 Could never Compare To Ps3 Not Even The Elite I Got 360/Wii And Enjoying Them Alot
i don't see how anyone can answer that leading question with NO look at what this is taken from.... OPM obviously a pretty biased question used to jab at the 360, makes me wonder how much more xbox and wii bashing is in the magazine
Yes all those games you mentioned they were all in multiple discs. Nothing wrong with that. The problem is that was in the 90's with the original Playstation. 17 years ago. This is a next gen game we are talking about. There is really no reason why people should have to put up with stuff like that anymore. That's why technology improves so you don't have to do stuff like that anymore.
"yes...you are right...except the dvd drive doesn't read at a constant 12x!! read DerDude's post above you fool!!" Why do guys like you always have to resort to name calling and insults? Are you THAT immature and insecure? Let's get back to the discussion, without insults please. I am fully aware of the performance of DVD drives thank you, but it is STILL an 12x dual-layer drive in the 360 and not 8x, and that's a BIG difference. As I said, it is rated as 12x DVD dual-layer in the specs, and MS have stated this numerous times in interviews; http://www.xbox.com/en-AU/support/xbox360/manuals/xbox360specs.htm "12x dual-layer DVD-ROM" So let's compare shall we. 2x Blu-ray reads at a constant 9MB/s. 1x DVD reads data at 11.08Mb/s. 12x DVD reads data at 132.96Mb/s (11.08*12), which is 16.62MB/s. This is much faster than Blu-ray's 9MB/s, but this is on the outermost track. On DVD, without going into details, the innermost track reads at the speed of the outer track divided by 2.32, which is 7.16MB/s. Less than 2x Blu-ray of course. However, this means that after the first GB of data has been read from DVD on the 360, the drive will now be performing at the speed of Blu-ray in the PS3, and data after that will be read progressively faster, hence above the speed of Blu-ray. On average, the 12x DVD drive in the 360 will offer about 11.9MB/s. However, as seen last gen, devs can (and do) organise their data so that those they want to be read fastest are on the outer tracks of the DVD, hence improving the transfer speed performance quite significantly. So whichever way you spin it, the DVD drive in the 360 offer much read performance than the Blu-ray drive in the PS3, and devs have confirmed this.
>"The problem is that was in the 90's with the original Playstation. 17 years ago." You do know there were numerous multidisk games on the PS2 also, don't you? If you don't then I suggest you do some research. In fact, one of the best games last gen was also a multidisk game, that game was RE4 on the GC. Somehow, I think gamers were too busy enjoying the gameplay than to worry about having to change the disk at sometime. Have a look at this list of PS2 games, note how many have multiple disks! (I count ten with 3 discs and 15 with 2 disks). Of course, this is just a small selection, but it does show that multi-disks games were more common last gen than you believe. >"This is a next gen game we are talking about. There is really no reason why people should have to put up with stuff like that anymore." Why not? If gamers are too lazy to get up off their backsides to change a disk several hours into a game, then they're are the ones with problems. :) Take Blue Dragon on the 360. It comes on 3 DVDs on the 360, but each DVD offers about the same length of gameplay as the complete game of Resistance on the PS3 (12-15 hours per disk!).
"Have a look at this list of PS2 games..." http://www.voy.com/50737/2/206.html "...it does show that multi-disks games were more common last gen than you believe."
The Playstation was released 12 years ago, not 17. ;)
do some research then come back and post something that make sense, and if the game is better looking on pos3 which it wont, xbox fans will not say it runs better on xbox 360 sony fanboys do that, say stuff just to make pos3 look better than xbox 360, keep wishing LOL
keep wishing it's been said time and time again the 360 version of oblivion would have been much better with more development time almost all 360 games in the first year was rushed out the door with glithes galore
I also have had plenty of time with the ps3 and it is in no way better than the xbox 360 so nice try sony fanboy
i saw that in the feed on G4 for none believers
Im a PS3 fanboy!!!!!!
WOW LOL
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