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PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned?

Posted Aug 22, 2010 at 10:24PM EST by Mabie A.

Listed in: PSP Tags: playstation 3 updates, psjailbreak

Don't go popping that cork off the champagne bottle yet now that PSJailbreak is out. Reports say that there is a chance for the PS3 to detect the jailbreak and thus, consequently, get your PSN account banned, similar to how the XBL does it.

According to SKFU and RichDevX, while you are logged into PSN, the Backup manager game ID (LAUN-12345) could be logged or recorded by Sony. This could then allow Sony to see if you are using the PSJailbreak/clone. As it is, Sony actually does impose bans on both PSN accounts and PS3 systems, resulting to the 800A227 error code.

So if you want to steer clear of trouble with Sony while still enjoying PSjb, it probably would be best if you don't go online and play first to avoid detection.

Via [PS3hax]

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$ony would be retarded if they started banning people like M$ do.
Just think about it, the PSJ just came out and people are about to buy heaps of PS3s and PSJs, so $Ony will be coming into a lot of money this Christmas time.
If they start banning PSN/PS3 then they will just loose those incomming users.

+12 # ... — fearlubu 2010-08-23 01:37

then again the games' sales will go down

isnt it obvious that they should ban them?

-5 # RE: ... — But Fukir 2010-08-23 02:06

Suspended/banned if you try to log in with a hacked game sure.

But if you've got the chip out and you log in with your purchased copy its none of their business what you do in your bedroom.

# You should — Mori_Beagles 2010-08-28 09:56

Wake up, this is 2010..

+2 # RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — F44L 2010-08-23 01:50

But unlike M$, Sony can clearly see that you are using the jailbreak just by checking the game id.

+11 # RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — Techni 2010-08-23 03:05

Sony would be retarded NOT to ban people like MS does.

I don't know who told you how this works, but Sony makes very little money off the system itself. One pirated game loses them more money than the make off the system.

-8 # #Re: — Deerwings 2010-08-23 04:24

"One pirated game loses them more money than the make off the system."

Actually, that's BS. There is no difference financially, between a customer that has not purchased a game and does not have it, and a customer that has pirated it. You cannot prove that a customer would have purchased the game or not, and would not have obtained it if the game weren't accessable by pirates.

That 'losing money due to piracy' is a cop-out excuse that lawyers and anti-homebrew people spout to excuse increasing price and security while simultaneously stifling innovation and features.

+5 # RE: #Re: — Uhyve 2010-08-23 04:41

In the PS3s case, it is actually kinda true, since afaik, the manufacturing costs plus the money that the stores take, means that Sony still don't make money on a PS3 sale. Meaning, if you only ever pirate PS3 sales, Sony make a loss...

-2 # RE: RE: #Re: — pookiepoo 2010-08-23 07:33

Quote:

In the PS3s case, it is actually kinda true, since afaik, the manufacturing costs plus the money that the stores take, means that Sony still don't make money on a PS3 sale. Meaning, if you only ever pirate PS3 sales, Sony make a loss...

actually since the slim sony have been making a profit on each console sold. they have been reducing the manufacturing costs by removing parts since the 1st american 60gb.

either way I cant stand pirates if someone wants to use this for homebrew or to back up games they already own for convenience purposes I am all for it but piracy is the whole reason that the gaming companies dont embrace homebrew and the idea of backing games up to the hardrive or other discs.

now a days you can get a recent release for 17.99 within a few weeks of release its not like before when you had to wait a year for a price drop so now there really is no excuse

-3 # all thanks to piracy — Deamon 2010-08-23 13:22

"now a days you can get a recent release for 17.99 within a few weeks of release its not like before when you had to wait a year for a price drop so now there really is no excuse"

you do know that this is only thanks to piracy do you?.
because without piracy there surely wouldn´t be so "huge" price drops.

# Really? — UltimaXIX 2010-08-26 13:16

Recession would've been my first guess, especially when you consider that the PS3 has been around for years, unaffected by piracy.

-3 # RE: RE: #Re: — But Fukir 2010-08-23 19:32

So you wowwy about sony's feelings or game devs?

Make up your mind money bags.

-3 # RE: #Re: — aperson2 2010-08-23 05:13

Quoting Deerwings:

Actually, that's BS. There is no difference financially, between a customer that has not purchased a game and does not have it, and a customer that has pirated it. You cannot prove that a customer would have purchased the game or not, and would not have obtained it if the game weren't accessable by pirates.

I don't like moronic rhetoric, even if does rhyme.
The very fact you said, and it is true, we can't prove if a customer buys a game or not absolutely destroys your argument.

However one can assume that pirates generally don't buy the software they are pirating yet would otherwise. Sales figures are evidence of this. It's common to see software sales drop when a system is easily pirated. This happened with the PSP and Xbox 360, if the PS3 mod becomes simpler and cheaper the same will happen again.

It is not a cop-out excuse by any stretch of the imagination.

-3 # is that so? — Shabbypenguin 2010-08-23 09:12

clearly the xbox is hurting in sales because here lets look at one game, and a game i dont even like at that...

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/106/1061372p1.html

as you can see in the article the ps3 version of CoDMW2 is 8th on the top ten game sales for jan 2010. the xbox is 1st, this is not some fanboy rant or what have you just wanting to point out that the xbox users could have pirated it yet.. instead they outsold the ps3 version.. completely opposite what you claim.. hmmm

also as a side note, i have gamefly imagine how many companies lose money because i pay one low monthly bill and get whatever games i want..

-1 # RE: is that so? — aperson2 2010-08-23 09:42

+ There are more Xbox 360 consoles than PS3 consoles in the wild.
+ You cannot (well, it's very risky) play pirated Xbox 360 games online.

Xbox 360 piracy isn't that bad due to Microsoft's zero tolerance on the subject.

-4 # RE: RE: is that so? — FreePlay 2010-08-23 19:20

Quoting aperson2:

Xbox 360 piracy isn't that bad due to Microsoft's zero tolerance on the subject.

You are ASTONISHINGLY clueless.

Xbox 360 pirates tend not to CARE that they can't play online.

# RE: RE: RE: is that so? — trigger_ftu 2010-08-24 13:41

Quoting FreePlay:

Quoting aperson2:
Xbox 360 piracy isn't that bad due to Microsoft's zero tolerance on the subject.
You are ASTONISHINGLY clueless.

Xbox 360 pirates tend not to CARE that they can't play online.

the funny thing is some of them do check the xbox forums in the banned and suspended you would be amazed how many people hav downloaded the halo:reach leak and attempted to play online with it and STILL complain to Microsoft.

-4 # RE: RE: is that so? — But Fukir 2010-08-23 19:35

It seems to me pretty obvious that anyone stupid enough to pay a monthly fee for online access isn't smart enough to hack a system efectively.

Xblock has the dumb redneck and silverspoon market sewed up just like nintendo with mario and pokemon.

-1 # Could just... — Hjk 2010-08-26 03:04

be like you and complain about paying for anything, every time I see a comment of yours you're whining for something for free, man up

# RE: is that so? — another name 2010-08-26 17:42

I'd say it sold more on the xbox 360 because it has no other interesting games... but that would just start a flame war.

+4 # RE: RE: #Re: — Deerwings 2010-08-23 09:57

Quoting aperson2:

I don't like moronic rhetoric, even if does rhyme.
The very fact you said, and it is true, we can't prove if a customer buys a game or not absolutely destroys your argument.

However one can assume that pirates generally don't buy the software they are pirating yet would otherwise. Sales figures are evidence of this. It's common to see software sales drop when a system is easily pirated. This happened with the PSP and Xbox 360, if the PS3 mod becomes simpler and cheaper the same will happen again.

It is not a cop-out excuse by any stretch of the imagination.

Sales figures are only evidence of purchases actually made. Piracy figures are evidence of potential profits lost had those been actual sales, but those figures have little meaning other than to figure how much you 'could' have made, but they are not proof of how much you will have made, because those numbers are contingent on whether or not each pirated copy would have actually been converted to a profit and that's where the flaw is. It is assumed those numbers can be thrown around with as much validity as actual sales numbers when they in actuality, mean something else completely.

-4 # RE: RE: #Re: — FreePlay 2010-08-23 19:18

Quote:

However one can assume that pirates generally don't buy the software they are pirating yet would otherwise.

Really? Do you have data for this, or is the source your ass?

+1 # RE: RE: RE: #Re: — trigger_ftu 2010-08-24 13:45

Quoting FreePlay:

Quote:
However one can assume that pirates generally don't buy the software they are pirating yet would otherwise.
Really? Do you have data for this, or is the source your ass?

not tryin to be mean or start an argument but in my area alone i know 7 people that pirate xbox games, 15 people that pirate wii games, 17 people that pirate psp games. and all of em really don't care they get the game and play them. they just want the games for free.

+5 # RE: #Re: — Techni 2010-08-23 05:30

Quote:

There is no difference financially, between a customer that has not purchased a game and does not have it

Actually that's BS and you know it.
People who cant get a game for free are far more likely to buy than those who can get it for free

You cannot prove they wouldn't have purchased it had they not had this device.

That not losing money to piracy is just a cop out, you know, I know it. Piracy is huge, and it hurts devs.

And I am not anti homebrew

+4 # RE: RE: #Re: — Deerwings 2010-08-23 09:52

People who cannot get a game for free are far more likely to buy it, yes. Those who can get it for free will do so, yes.

But you cannot prove that they will have bought the game even if they couldn't get it for free, either. You cannot 'prove' a negative. You can claim profits you 'might' have had, had the pirated game been purchased rather than bought, but that assumes that the person who has it would have bought it had they had no choice.

The BS in this, is that all these claims of 'lost profits' are of the assumption that the person who obtained the game will have bought it given no choice. In many cases, given a choice, many people will go without.

My statement is true. If a game media was -stolen-, then that is a lost potential profit, as someone would have actually paid for that particular media. I can prove that they wouldn't have purchased it had they not had it available for free, all you have to do is look at each and every person who has not pirated a game and has not purchased a game or device. That is hard obtainable data. But consider this. What does it cost a company to create multiple downloadable copies of a single data source? Virtually nothing. Yet they continue to sell each and every copy as if it was a full processed and manufactured copy, and this is almost as bad as piracy, yet few seem to be willing to accept this. Which is more profitable, producing and providing a few full-price copies of a game, and selling a digitally downloaded version at the same price and risking piracy, or producing and providing full-price copies of physical media games and a reduced price digitally downloadable version that will likely curb piracy because it will be more affordable? This model is rarely, if ever considered. And so anti-piracy measures are put into place that become a challenge to overcome to those who can overcome it, in many cases, simply to retain the right to create homebrew.

What is lost, is the impetus for those who create homebrew. I will say that yes, piracy is a problem and there are people who will make every effort to pirate media if they can and I do agree that it needs to be curbed, but the reasoning for anti-piracy that is current in use is flawed.

-3 # RE: RE: RE: #Re: — Snaku 2010-08-23 14:02

I agree that digital copies ought to be cheaper than physical media. I disagree on the potential that digital distribution makes piracy easier, though: so far, it seems that it's easier to rip a disc than it is to break the drm's on digitally distributed media.

And, while I agree that charging the same for digital vs. physical seems goofy (I absolutely refuse to buy digitally distributed games for that and other reasons), I'm pretty sure it'll always be that way. If, say, Sony were to continue chargine $60 for retail, but dropped it to $50 for digital, a LOT of people would just stop buying physical copies at all, 'cuz, hey 10 bucks. Depending on how prevalent it is, that could put a serious hurting on the brick and mortar retailers. And then you'd have companies who decide to skip the physical media all together 'cuz they're not selling as well and they cost more to make, and it would just spiral down like that.

At least that's one possibility. It would seem to me that, given the failure of the pspgo, people are less inclined to go digital distribution only... but if Sony were to, you know, actually support the go, and then sweeten the deal with a $10 or so price cut per game, I think the go's story would've been very different.

Personally, I hate digital distribution. I hate spending money with nothing physical to show for it. I mean, if I buy a physical copy, I can play it on my ps3 or take it to a buddy's house and play on his, or sell it as used or whatever. The physical media is simply more valuable to me than a digitally distributed version.

-3 # RE: RE: RE: #Re: — truk 2010-08-23 19:00

as much as you would like to think your reasoning is sound, it really isnt. here's why:

blackmarket is just as much part of the competition like any legit business. for example, EA makes a FPS and Insomniac makes a FPS, the majority chooses EA because the their FPS has a better story; what can we say about EA? can we say they hold a bigger market share of FPS? why is it because they have an "advantage"--their story is better. what can we say about insomniac? did they lose money because they didnt sell as much games as EA?

but what about piracy? can we say that their "advantage" is that they "sell" the same product for free/cheaper? how do you compete with something that's free/cheaper and does the same thing your product does?

-3 # RE: RE: RE: #Re: — But Fukir 2010-08-23 19:40

Quoting Deerwings:

People who cannot get a game for free are far more likely to buy it, yes. ...

Yes?

Because we've all got an extra 60 bucks laying around, not paying rent and all.

-2 # RE: — tloyd11 2010-08-23 11:45

yes and don't you have to have a copy of the game or obtain it somehow to copy it over to the psjb thumb drive.

+3 # RE: RE: — Snaku 2010-08-23 14:05

In theory, yes, but remember that it lets you back up the game to an external hdd. You can hook external hdd's up to pc's, copy their contents, package it in an iso or rar file and stick it on the internet. It won't be long before you start seeing ps3 games up on torrent sites... if they're not there already.

+3 # RE: #Re: — UnregisteredxXx 2010-08-23 11:49

"That 'losing money due to piracy' is a cop-out excuse that lawyers and anti-homebrew people spout to excuse increasing price and security while simultaneously stifling innovation and features"

You're absolutely right & noone bothers blaming used games, it's not just getting them used at gamestop, ect. a lot of ppl sell them tax free which is still a supposedly 'loss'

-1 # Okay well — hakk3r 2010-08-23 14:12

Its still technically stealing and therefore against the law. Doesn't matter if you can prove whether or not the person would have bought it or not. Stealing is stealing. Don't be such a child.

-3 # RE: #Re: — But Fukir 2010-08-23 14:41

Quoting Deerwings:

... There is no difference financially, between a customer that has not purchased a game and does not have it, and a customer that has pirated it. ...

^^
This

# RE: #Re: — Mikey C 2010-08-29 18:36

Do property owners really need excuses to fight against people stealing their property? Really?

+3 # Master Modder — RxM 2010-08-23 10:01

You Dumb FK. Sony makes money on Software idot NOT Hardware. Spotware wat sells the hardware.

# RE: Master Modder — trigger_ftu 2010-08-24 13:51

Quoting RxM:

You Dumb FK. Sony makes money on Software idot NOT Hardware. Spotware wat sells the hardware.

actually it gets a portion of the sales from the games kinda like a commision help pay for the devkit tools sdk (if they haven't been paid for) and for having the game sold for that system.the other part goes tot he devs or studios that built the game.ya know when i was at THQ i was told that M$ pays less for more features in a game and sony pays more for less features than M$ in a game.

# Profit — Hjk 2010-08-24 04:02

Sony makes farmore money off title sales than off of hardware... So how is this a good thing?

+3 # WHAT!? — muffinhead 2010-08-23 01:28

.....So, what am I supposed to do with all this champagne?! .. and all these women over here tryin to play my ps3 that I got propped up on a crate in the middle of the floor?!

-3 # RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — But Fukir 2010-08-23 02:02

So is all that gibberish implying that Sony will be checking on what my ps3 does even while I'm not online?

Who needs that kind of snoop in my living room.

Hackers will figure out a way around that I'm sure.
Even if it takes setting up an alternate network like Xbconnect.

Not sure what else PSN would really be necessary for other than that.

-3 # RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — But Fukir 2010-08-23 02:18

"08-22-2010 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by CTID10 View Post

Would I be able to use psn if I take the dongle out ? ...

Most likely yes, as long as you dont run the backup manager. When you launch a game (im assuming this pkg is no different) it reports the game id to the psn server to change your status to show your playing game X. Dont launch the backup manager and sony shouldn't know. "

-1 # Not as simple as that? — Uhyve 2010-08-23 04:36

You have to remember though, that we don't know how much the PS3 stores about what you do when you're offline. For instance, we know that the PS3 does store certain amounts, such as new trophy information (and possibly recently played games), so that it can send the updates once you get online.

Since the backup manager is just another app to the PS3, there's a good chance that information will be synced with Sony next time you go online, even if you've never actually used the Backup Manager while connected to the internet. If that functionality isn't there yet, it would be trivial for Sony to add and would probably require a firmware modification for hackers to get around... which Sony may be able to detect...

+3 # RE: Not as simple as that? — Snaku 2010-08-23 14:13

Yup. If you want piracy/backups, you pretty much have to be prepared to kiss psn goodbye. I do engage in a bit of piracy here and there (Arrr) but I wouldn't risk it on my ps3. The simple fact is that we don't know much about how the ps3 and psn communicate, but it's easy to see scenarios like Uhyve described being plausible and even likely.

It's possible that there won't be any detection (again, we don't know much), but I seriously doubt it. This is the company that installed malware on pc's to keep people from making legitimate (and illegitimate) copies of music cd's. In fact, if any company has the guts to out and out sabotage your system (via a firmware corruption or whatever...which their eula pretty much gives them the right to do), my money would be on Sony, so there might even be more at risk than psn.

-1 # RE: RE: Not as simple as that? — But Fukir 2010-08-23 15:02

Quoting Snaku:

... This is the company that installed malware on pc's to keep people from making legitimate (and illegitimate) copies of music cd's. ...

Lol, I forgot about that. They sure did.

-2 # RE: Not as simple as that? — But Fukir 2010-08-23 15:14

Yes, there is a chance that sony can scan your ps3 for traces of you doing things that they dont approve of while you've been away/offline.

But come on, how creepy is that!

If you want to play FPS' or other online-centric games, then buying a copy of the game and logging in legitimately is a reasonable expectation.

Digging around in your game console to for traces of your offline behavior is not.

And also on that note, pirated games would more than likely require some severe downsampling and ripping to be distributed online or even stored on an HD @ up to 50 gigs each.

Just like MPAA'a bullshit complaints about MP3's, if the album/game is a good one your still going to have to buy a copy to get the artwork, full resolution sound, HD quality cutscenes, etc.

-3 # RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — Shinobi_3 2010-08-23 03:17

so, to not get banned, you have to disconnect from the psn every time you want to play a backed up game so you dont get banned?

+4 # RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — Elmer The One 2010-08-23 14:17

There's still a chance that you may get banned.
"You have to remember though, that we don't know how much the PS3 stores about what you do when you're offline. For instance, we know that the PS3 does store certain amounts, such as new trophy information (and possibly recently played games), so that it can send the updates once you get online.

Since the backup manager is just another app to the PS3, there's a good chance that information will be synced with Sony next time you go online, even if you've never actually used the Backup Manager while connected to the internet. If that functionality isn't there yet, it would be trivial for Sony to add and would probably require a firmware modification for hackers to get around... which Sony may be able to detect..."

+1 # RE: RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — Shinobi_3 2010-08-24 01:43

Thanks

+5 # RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — MangoScango 2010-08-23 03:43

Anyone who was not aware of this risk shouldn't be using it

-3 # RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — But Fukir 2010-08-23 15:01

I'd agree with that.

+4 # I dont think we need to worry — lunas 2010-08-23 05:12

If their stunning success thwarting and securing the psp is any indication on how it will be handled i doubt we will have things to worry about...

Unless they go and shut the token vendors down through some legal loop hole i don't see this doing anything but making ps3 updates more like the psp updates.

-6 # RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — Coolgul999 2010-08-23 05:55

Wocars?

Online gaming is for losers anyway. Get a life or more.

It's time to get a PS3, now that piracy is possible. :)

+4 # RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — Gangsta457 2010-08-23 09:31

Quoting Coolgul999:

Wocars?

Online gaming is for losers anyway. Get a life or more.

It's time to get a PS3, now that piracy is possible. :)

that get a life phrase really gets on my nerves >=[

+7 # RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — Elmer The One 2010-08-23 14:18

Lol, I'm a gamer I have several lives

-4 # RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — But Fukir 2010-08-23 14:51

Quoting Coolgul999:

Wocars?

Online gaming is for losers anyway. Get a life or more.

It's time to get a PS3, now that piracy is possible. :)

+4 # . — DSpider 2010-08-23 05:58

Use your head. If you own the game and want to play online JUST USE THE DAMN DISC. But if you pirated the game at least have the common sense not to go online. At least not with the modchip plugged in so the status saying you're playing the game "Backup Manger".

-2 # RE: . — But Fukir 2010-08-23 14:59

You would think that is pretty obvious.

But the niggle here is that sony might scan your hard drive to see if you've been using a mod chick while they weren't looking.

Scumbag silverspoons and mommies little pokemon soldier who dont have to worry about paying for games in the first place think this is a grand idea and that you should be more concerned with sony's well being then your own.

-2 # RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — leo9891 2010-08-23 06:18

So many people saying that Sony isn't making money... Wasn't there an article about a month or two ago that said Sony broke even and are now making money/profit earlier this year.

Then one dumbass said "$ony would be retarded if they started banning people like M$ do.
Just think about it, the PSJ just came out and people are about to buy heaps of PS3s and PSJs, so $Ony will be coming into a lot of money this Christmas time."

You my friend are retarded. Ok sure people might buy a bunch of PS3s, but Sony will lose in the long run due to no game sales. And then what about the Game Devs? If they know that the PS3 is able to run backups and everyone starts doing it, they are not going to support the console anymore.

Then another dumbass said, "Actually, that's BS. There is no difference financially, between a customer that has not purchased a game and does not have it, and a customer that has pirated it. You cannot prove that a customer would have purchased the game or not, and would not have obtained it if the game weren't accessable by pirates.

That 'losing money due to piracy' is a cop-out excuse that lawyers and anti-homebrew people spout to excuse increasing price and security while simultaneously stifling innovation and features."

That "Lawyers and Anti-homebrew people spout to excuse increasing price" is a poor person who can't buy games' excuse.

No Game Devs supporting the system is a loss.

-6 # RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — NakedFaerie 2010-08-23 06:36

Quoting leo9891:

You my friend are retarded. Ok sure people might buy a bunch of PS3s, but Sony will lose in the long run due to no game sales. And then what about the Game Devs? If they know that the PS3 is able to run backups and everyone starts doing it, they are not going to support the console anymore.

You are the dumbass.
Have all the devs stopped making games for the 360 as thats been able to play backups for years now and still to this day games are being made for the 360.

Just coz a console can play backups doesn't mean everyone with a modded console wont buy games.
I have a few modded consoles and I buy a lot of games. I have games preordered.
When I get the PS Jailbreak I will still buy games and I will still pirate games. Nothing will change except for where my games are stored. Instead of damaging the BRD drive and risk the disks getting scratched I will be running them from an ext hdd. That way the laser will last a lot longer and the console will live that little bit longer.

All this talk about "pirating games means a loss in sales" is total sh!t. I pirate and I buy so where is the loss in money? The only loss is money from my pocket into the devs pocket.

-3 # RE: RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — The SNK Freak 2010-08-23 09:41

I have to agreed with you on this one, NakedFaerie. I have multiple consoles and I still buying games and at the same time I'm helping the devs. And also by modifying your console you can also reduce loading times, so you can go straight to the game, and like you said, the lens is going to last longer and you won't harm the games. I think if you are the owner of the game you have right to make a back up of it. Because for most of the softwares (it could be games or any programs) for PC they give you the right to make that copy or back up, that is, if you are the owner of the software. So, by doing that you don't have to worry about is the original software get scratched or lost.

-1 # RE: RE: RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — leo9891 2010-08-23 15:57

Quoting NakedFaerie:

Quoting leo9891:
You my friend are retarded. Ok sure people might buy a bunch of PS3s, but Sony will lose in the long run due to no game sales. And then what about the Game Devs? If they know that the PS3 is able to run backups and everyone starts doing it, they are not going to support the console anymore.

You are the dumbass.
Have all the devs stopped making games for the 360 as thats been able to play backups for years now and still to this day games are being made for the 360.

Just coz a console can play backups doesn't mean everyone with a modded console wont buy games.
I have a few modded consoles and I buy a lot of games. I have games preordered.
When I get the PS Jailbreak I will still buy games and I will still pirate games. Nothing will change except for where my games are stored. Instead of damaging the BRD drive and risk the disks getting scratched I will be running them from an ext hdd. That way the laser will last a lot longer and the console will live that little bit longer.

All this talk about "pirating games means a loss in sales" is total sh!t. I pirate and I buy so where is the loss in money? The only loss is money from my pocket into the devs pocket.

Thats cause M$ still makes money. And i believe there are more buyers than pirates on the XBOX. Unlike the PSP, there were more pirates than buyers. Sony just started getting ahead in the game and devs saw that and started supporting the system even more, now if people start pirating the PS3 will do the same or just as worse as when it came out of the starting gate. This is why I said your retarded. You are only thinking about the short term gains while Sony is thinking long term losses. You might be one of the few that have a modded console and still buys the games, but do you think everyone else/most people are going to do that? Thats my point. everyone is greedy and if there is a way to get something for free, people will do it.

-3 # RE: RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — facepalm99 2010-08-23 11:08

no hes right youre retarded

-4 # RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — facepalm99 2010-08-23 11:06

-3 # RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — But Fukir 2010-08-23 14:55

Quoting leo9891:

...

That "Lawyers and Anti-homebrew people spout to excuse increasing price" is a poor person who can't buy games' excuse.

...

Fuckin poor people.

Or alternately everybody should buy tripe games at 60 dollars a pop to support sony could be viewed as a silver spooned scumbag excuse.

-2 # RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — leo9891 2010-08-23 06:30

Shouldn't this be on the PS3 Section aswell?

-1 # Ah Well — MitchenX 2010-08-23 06:40

Goodbye to PSN then! No skin off my back, as I don't really play online anyway.
Of course I will have to do extensive research into this hack before I attempt to use it.

-3 # RE: Ah Well — But Fukir 2010-08-23 14:50

Thats what I said.

Sure there's a few games like FPS' and MMORPG's and stuff where at least half the fun can be the online part. But there's alternatives if sony gets ban happy.

-3 # RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — Gangsta457 2010-08-23 08:22

yea but didnt jailbreaking become legal now? you cant have a penalty for jailbreaking something

-3 # i agree — supasick 2010-08-23 10:45

thats so true sony would be stupid to block psn from the modchip users because that will drop psn sells either way... so they would be losing money. because either way they're still going to lose game sells. so ask your self why would they block psn from the mod chip users.

-1 # same reason they — Datnizzle 2010-08-23 14:29

Bocked psp users. It's more of a deterrent than anything.
I NEED to play online. Computers are stupid and only follow programing, people on the other hand change and adapt.

-1 # RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — But Fukir 2010-08-23 19:50

Quoting Gangsta457:

yea but didnt jailbreaking become legal now? you cant have a penalty for jailbreaking something

Possibly.

Its probably a violation of usage of the original OS.

Maybe not for usage of the hardware.

Very much likely a violation of usage of the PSN network.

Thats really a fair exchange.

You cant have your fucking cake and eat it too!

-5 # RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — asd™ 2010-08-23 09:59

it's funny that some comments say that sony earns very little on the console and that the money sony earns are from the games

seriously why would you manufacture something that isn't profitable? it's one of the most important aspect in business. If money earned is very little on making the PS3 then sony wouldn't have even bothered making a PS3

Why would you believe that sony only started earning on their consoles when the slim versions was launched? so their saying that years ago their sales on the fat ps3 were all break-even?? cmon now

+3 # RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — aperson2 2010-08-23 13:05

You're right. The most important part of a business is that it makes money. But you're also totally wrong.

More consoles in homes= more software sales, more service subscriptions, more confidence for shareholders.
In Sony's case the investment from the Playstation brand also brings in further developments and research into users which alone is worth its weight in gold.

# Nice — TripleXXX 2010-08-23 13:28

A nother thing don´t buy any new consoles PC is the answer

DIE SONY!

# RE: Nice — The SNK Freak 2010-08-24 03:49

Amen to that brother

+2 # the PSP kills all these... — Datnizzle 2010-08-23 14:26

Piracy don't kill systems arguments. Look at the psp you get 1 maybe 2 top notch games a year, most from Sony. Everyone has bailed. You may say psp's don't sell well. That's ok because there are over 20 million of them out there. But guess what the top selling game is still under 1 million copies.
Xbox don't care because most of the people playing it are too young and dumb to hack there systems. The PS3 does not have this problem as it has an older fanbase. If the PS3 is hacked a larger percentage of ps3 buyers would use it than the 360. Sorta like the psp and the ds. Both are pirated but kids still buy games on the ds, the psp has a fanbase a little older so the piracy was rampent.

-2 # RE: the PSP kills all these... — But Fukir 2010-08-23 14:45

Quoting Datnizzle:

...Sorta like the psp and the ds. Both are pirated but kids Parents still buy games on the ds, the psp has a fanbase a little older so the piracy was rampent.

There, I fixed it for you.

+4 # ... — symbal 2010-08-23 16:28

I have to say the Ps3 being hacked is equal parts good and bad. Obviously bad because of piracy, and good because Sony will finally have to get off their arse and make an effort offering features to compete against MS and Nintendo and not be either painfully slow to implement them or just do nothing better than an average job with things, i mean the 360 has a huge piracy problem but MS has still managed to consistently outdo Sony on both hardware and software.

-2 # RE: ... — But Fukir 2010-08-23 19:59

"I have to say the Ps3 being hacked is equal parts good and bad."

I can only figure its fair game since the x and w are already straightened out.

I wouldn't be a smidge surprised if the ps3's install base suddenly swelled drastically with this news.

If sony were smart (fat chance of that) they could have a lot to gain from that kind of increased interest.

-2 # RE: RE: ... — But Fukir 2010-08-23 20:05

Quoting robthom robthom:

...

If sony were smart (fat chance of that) they could have a lot to gain from that kind of increased interest.

For instance, more online components to games that require purchasing/unique verification.

More extras with store front copies.

Shave a few bucks of the 60 dollar price and include booklets, soundtracks or collectible toys like japan.

(All IMO)

-2 # RE: RE: RE: ... — thunderlipppz 2010-08-23 20:33

^^

Votes without an argument are so adorable.

Reminds me of pokemon.

+3 # read my name — PSNSUXS 2010-08-23 17:49

oh boohooo my nor my brother use PSN sony won't affect us by this anyway once this is mainstream people would be able to Pirate PS3 DLC'S and stuff like games and movies Give it up sony GAME OVER

# RE: read my name — But Fukir 2010-08-23 20:44

I'm trying to think of a few justifications for PSN?

Multiplayer is the only one I can think of.

+3 # The Mind of A Pirate — xben15 2010-08-23 19:58

I once read a post during a heated debate over the psp and piracy (such as this retarded one)that people still purchase games even with the means to pirate. Purchase the really good games and pirate w/e else you want. This simple thought sends out a clear message to which devs are doing a great job and which devs should just quit the profession. Crisis Core, Disidia, Monster Hunter etc. all sit in my room bc I really liked them enough to purchase. But I've also played hundreds of psp games. I see it as a not so friendly process of elimination of shitty devs. I'm sure some would agree, but then again I'm sure some would have valid points against my argument....just my 2 cents.

-1 # RE: The Mind of A Pirate — But Fukir 2010-08-23 20:40

"...Crisis Core, Disidia, Monster Hunter etc..."

Are all dogshit.

But I do agree with your philosophy.
;)

-2 # RE: The Mind of A Pirate — symbal 2010-08-23 21:48

The games industry would collapse in on itself if people didn't buy the lower grade(movie licences etc) games, because they fund developers taking the risk on the good stuff, so really thinking you forcing them to create better games by only buying the good ones is the exact opposite of what will happen, because they'll be forced to cut quality and development costs and just get hundreds of games sharing the same game engine.

-2 # RE: RE: The Mind of A Pirate — But Fukir 2010-08-23 22:54

Soooo...

you want me to spend my hard earned money on shit games?

Ehhh... nah.

Thats what DS releases is for.

Let mommy and daddy buy juniors shitty pampers.

# RE: RE: The Mind of A Pirate — But Fukir 2010-08-23 23:04

Quoting symbal:

... they'll be forced to cut quality and development costs ...

And I wont be investing in that either.

That will be good enough for junior with no rent, but I'll chip in on the constitution by only investing in developers and games that put in some effort and creativity.

+1 # RE: RE: RE: The Mind of A Pirate — symbal 2010-08-24 11:56

Yeah i'm the same, i won't buy games if i don't think it has some long-term playbility value in it, but the industry relies on people buying low budget/movie licences/sequels, so i'm not gonna try to convince people not to buy whatever's shovelling up the charts now because there's no-one to blame but yourself when you buy a crappy game and i just have to hope those profits go into developing something i might want.

-2 # 2000 Tb hdd — vizard00 2010-08-23 23:19

PSJailbreak is positive for SONY , why?!

- less scratched BD complains
- less lens stress so less damage
- Legal since you buckup ur copy
- people would like to get biger hdd pack , yes you can use ur own hdd .

PSJailbreak is good and legal ADDon for the ps3 who will make our ps36 experience more fun .

+2 # Really? — Hjk 2010-08-24 04:11

given the sheer number of people who have discussed borrowing, renting, torrenting, etc in the first half of this and the original announcemnt article, just on qj alone, 75 percent of the posters support piracy and 90 percent havent even mentioned homebrew at all, so in what capacity is the mention of piracy by three quarters of this population a good thing for sony?

# RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — The SNK Freak 2010-08-24 04:18

That's true. But they (Sony) don't care, and that's why a lot of people is hacking their stuff. Because they're tired that Sony is not unleashing the PS3 and PSP true potential.
They should think this way "the more they buy and hack our consoles,the more money we get" but noo0.
And it doesn't matter if we are able to do the jailbreak in our consoles, will be still helping the game developers on their new games releases.

# Layaway Pirate Gamer — BryanNitro 2010-08-24 08:54

I normally download a game then I buy it when the price hits my $30 mark so I call my self a layaway Pirate Gamer.

+1 # RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — BryanNitro 2010-08-24 09:30

Also this dongle is way too expensive just wait till you can download a .exe that can turn any flash-drive into a PSJailbreak hackers hacking hackers.

# I wonder — Mentality 2010-08-24 10:18

If they changed the back-up manager id to that of and actual game ID that it then would not be detected. I don't know if this would cause issues to that actual game working then.

+1 # Your money — Teck Heng 2010-08-24 11:23

end of the day, if my money remains in my pocket. I don't really care if I can play Offline or Online.
1) I just want to play game.
2) I just want the cheapest possible way to obtain my games.

Call me cheap-stake. If I told you GOW3 is selling $5.95 at Amazon, please tell me you won't even bother.

Yeah, real funny.

-1 # Your money — cloudnine 2010-08-24 14:21

Quoting Teck Heng:

end of the day, if my money remains in my pocket. I don't really care if I can play Offline or Online.
1) I just want to play game.
2) I just want the cheapest possible way to obtain my games.

Call me cheap-stake. If I told you GOW3 is selling $5.95 at Amazon, please tell me you won't even bother.

Yeah, real funny.

Nah dawg. You're not a cheap stake. You're just a honest thief.

# RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — supasick 2010-08-24 16:38

sony isnt losing either way on this deal but also the consumers make more money so no its not true either way that your psn will be band
they want the money and thats it...

+2 # RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — truk 2010-08-24 19:24

robthom is raging ARGGGGH! dude, if youre poor dont buy videogames.

-2 # Either way — MitchenX 2010-08-25 22:25

I thought the jailbreak was sweet, until I saw the price tag.
The USB dongle (and its clones) are so darned expensive, it's almost a draw either way. For that price, one could buy several games from PSN AND a couple Greatest Hits.
There isn't a whole lot on PS3 worth buying OR pirating anyway... but watching this all play out should be really interesting!

+1 # RE: Either way — Daxter14 2010-08-26 10:58

So you're complaining that you have to pay to be able to play free (illegal) games.

# RE: RE: Either way — PS3 Owner1 2010-08-30 08:40

You still need the original Blu-ray Disc in order to play the game.

It's correct that the ISO can be played from the HDD but still needs the BD.

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+3 # RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — Daxter 14 2010-08-26 10:25

Good news for SONY fans.
Get that ban hammer ready!

# RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — another name 2010-08-26 17:39

Is it just me who realized this one is listed in PSP section only? It has more to do with the PS3... or maybe I'm just seeing things.

# RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — cobra4323 2010-08-26 18:05

HAHAHA!!! i'm mad as hell people are trying to defend piracy. and they wonder why the psp gaming scene is dead!

# RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — your_fire 2010-08-28 01:06

PSP is a handheld gaming device, not a home console, i dont see xbox or wii dead

# RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — Louis Johnson 2010-08-26 20:04

I assume that since this device allows all sorts of homebrew to be written new stealth measures or custom firmwares will be created by hackers to counter sony's checks

# RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — symbyosis 2010-08-28 14:19

just give us back install other OS and we'll call it a day.

# RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — Shinobi_3 2010-08-28 22:56

cant you just make a new account on the ps3, and never go online or sign up to psn on that account?

# RE: RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — PS3 Owner1 2010-09-04 20:08

It'll be like Xbox 360 bans.

# RE: PSJailbreak could get your PSN/PS3 banned? — PS3 Owner1 2010-08-29 17:29

PS3 Ban wave is coming soon, ugh.. Maybe.

I'm going to stay on the right side because I don't want my PS3 banned. But the temptation is too high, I'll have to think about it.

# Ceo — Christian O 2010-11-16 13:17

Hell, i pirate games on my 360 and buy them for my PS3, i'd never pay a membership fee to play my games online with friends USING MY OWN internet..

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