Stupid PS3 basing!

QJ, you are getting worse day by day! Can't you even seperate prices of pressed media from burnable media any more? Manufacturing a PS3-BD will surely not cost 20 - 30 $, and be eventually cheaper than manufacturing 2 DVDs. Before you do math, apply common sense! :(

just dumb

Only a fool would think that a BD costs 20-30$ for Sony to produce. QJ, get some writers with comon sense.

Calm down

I think it's about time we stop bloody speculating how much it is, and either praise Sony or rip the ***** through them when we finally find out TRUE prices. Only time will tell.... And calm down on the comments too, the QJ bloggers do their best, not everyone's perfect. Give it a rest already...

They do their best?

This particular news item has appeared on every game related blog in the net. QJ was the only one to add a claim that BD is 200 to 600 times more costy to manufacture. Oh and besides: even the price for the burnable media will come down quickly, it isn't really that much higher than the first DVD-R and the burners are indeed much cheaper than the first DVD-burners!

Wow...._,.-~'\

Thank god I'm getting a Wii to go with my 360. PS3 is going downhill. I was going to buy one before this years E3!

BBBB

blue ray will push up cost of a game by 20 if sony get the BR disk 4 20 it be a steal as blank BR will be 40.00 pus 4 you or me to buy ITs bs they will put 90% of new games on dvd just like the ps2 had games on cd

it's not that much moron

The burnable discs released to the general public will cost (the general public) that much but the blu-ray discs really don't cost too much more then a dvd disc to manufacture. The figures are closer to $2-$3 per disc not $20-$30. The high price products that are released to the general public is to recoup costs of inventing the disc and the time/money it took to perfect it. Also, as proof that a blu-ray disc doesn't cost $20-$30 to produce, look at the press releases that Sony pushed out not too long ago pretaining to the price of blu-ray movies. You'll be able to grab up older titles for $17-$22 and newer movies for $22-$26 (those may not be the exact figures, but they were in that area), so how is it possible for Sony to release these movies so cheaply when the discs are $20-$30 a piece? Simple. They're not that expensive.

nontheless

Either if they cost 20-30 bucks to make or not, the blu-ray games will most likely cost more. There is no reason why an executive would have to be so indecisive unless the games don't cost 60 bucks. Although I really can't see more then 10 dollars increase.

WTF LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

$20-$30 WHAT AN IDIOT!!!!!!!! lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

Sony fanboys

you ps3 fanboys have a serious inferiority complex. you secretly know that ps3 will be a joke of epic proportions so you go into wii and 360 forums and bash them. then when you hear news that the ps3 is going to suck you get all defensive like its a personal attach on your character when it is really just a stupid game system. The fact is that sony has the least amount of respect for the consumers... Nintendo is just now starting to respect us again after 10 years of terrible sales and nintendo bashing.. microsoft has a very powerful machine at an affordable price. sony is just using you to force blu ray on consumers and it isnt going to work on me. and nintendo is asking a meessly 250 for their machine with cheaper and simpler games. its amazing how the top dog can become the underdog with a few bad decisions.

games

I believe games will be in the $70 range. If Thesis got cancelled because of high developement costs that means ps3 isnt cheap to develope for. so developers will have to make money somewhere so they will have to raise the price of games.

Games not much more then prices today

Today the average new game is released at 59.99 so games are already 60 bucks. This changes nothing. Development cost are not as expensive as everyone makes it. No one has yet to provide how much more it will cost to develop for the ps3. Also it seems that the comapny doesnt want to use money to learn how to develop for the ps3, therefore they are asking sony for assistance. If developers werent so worried about making the highest profit possible and maybe focused on making the highest quality game they can make, they would make more profit. How many high profile titles have disappointed gamers? Almost every month. How many low profile games have amazed gamers and pushed a developer into the respected list. Just about every month as well. Seems some developers have said that the PS3 isnt hard to develop for. Some say its harder, and now some say its cost too much to develop for and therefore we dont wantto spend the money to learn how to develop for it. Also BD movies are almost the same price as regular dvds. They arent that much more expensive, as far as i have seen maybe a few dollars more and thats totally worth it in terms of the media. For everyone that thinks the price of games will rise because of the cost of the media look at dvd. The ps2 and xbox used dvds but stayed at the same standard 59.99 release prices for almost all new games. And even after years of dvds getting cheap as cds, they are still released with a 59.99 price tag. Its not the media that going to be the problem, its how much developers are willing to spend to learn how to develop for the ps3 so that in the future they can save development cost on future titles. Games for the PS3 wont be more then standard price. Sony wont allow it to go any higher, anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. Sony lost millions on the PS2 before they started to make profit on it. They can do it again.

alright

if the ps3 was so cheap to develop for, then why did Thesis drop the ps3 version because of sky high developement costs? think about. high developement cost + extreme debt by each system sold = games $70

#10...

Dude, shut up. We're not the ones filling the sony forums with flames. Go away, go put your xbox 1.5 on ice, cuz it's overheating....

Don't know what to think now

Several months ago I couldn't wait for the ps3 to come out. I just knew that the PS3 would be worth the wait. Sony has always made great games for the ps1 and ps2 so you figure that games on the ps3 will rock! Even with blu-ray and online play and superior tech, I'm starting to wonder after I fork over $600 for it and the possibility of games being more than $60 a pop, would it be worth getting over the 360 or the wii???

Very ignorant post

I guess Sony is losing money on the movies then because they have some for 20 bucks: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EZ7ZZE/qid=1151594064/sr=8-9/ref=pd_bbs_9/102-5219888-2177767?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130 Considering the DVD one is 15 dollars, the difference is 5 dollars. Alaric S., posters like you make me and everyone else sick with your bias ignorant comments so please check what your saying and make it your responsibility to report correctly (I would change your last comment if I were you actually anyone with any sense would).

BTW 5 bucks more for HD quality, sounds good to me

I'll take that and a bag of pop corn please

Why are people using the RUMOR: Theseis being cancelled, to prove that it's expensive to develop for the PS3?

Don't you have any common sense? It's rumored the best games for 360 will have ( GRAW, Oblivion, and Gears of War) are coming to the PS3, would any even slightly educated person use this as an argument to saying the PS3 will destroy the 360? No Please dont use rumors in your arguments, it makes you sound like an idiot. BTW it would be harder to port a PC game developed with DirectX to the PS3 but you can say the same about it being difficult to port a PC game developed for OpenGL to the 360. Repeat after me: PC + DIRECTX = Easy for 360, hard for the PS3 (i.e: Half Life) PC + OpenGL = Easy for the PS3, hard for the 360 (i.e Unreal 2007) Got it? Good.

What is new...?

It would be wonderful if the blogger's at QJ.net joined the rest of the world and realized that PSM has, reliably, some of the most inaccurate journalism available. While it is, potentially at best, correct information; it is more likely a way to get gamers aggravated about possible high prices, only later to have you feel 'relaxed' when the games are ONLY $55-$75. This would however in comparison to Microsoft or Nintendo, deal a HUGE blow to Sony in the retail markets as has the high price point on the console and so-far seemingly non-upgradeable 'low price model'. This is very similar to the tactics used by many game publishers to research the possibility of increasing game prices to $60 in 2005. For those that are still unaware this was done by using Collectors Edition's as the base research. Gamer's flocked to purchase a more expensive edition of a game because it had a junky tin case, and 53 minutes of 'behind the scenes' videos on a SECOND DISC!!. You people do it to yourselves. Every piece of 'info' that is released is carefully watched and researched. The Core models of both the 360 and the PS3 are fully intended to push consumers into the better deal of the 'Premium' (Standard) models. Gamer's are constantly giving the gaming industry ways that they can squeeze more money out of us, and then you complain... My views concerning this are straight from the retail scene, where I have spent way too much of my life. So before you start to flame my views, just know that they are considered to be fact in the retail world. I personally am hoping for the PS3 to win this round of the console wars. Let's just hope Sony doesn't screw themselves anymore than they have so far...

I Really don't care about this.

We all know "free" online play really isn't free. How do you think Microsoft supports Windows users with "free" updates, WMP,and new IE versions? You pay $800 for a new copy of Windows and about $800 more for Microsoft Office. Even after all of this you don't technically own a copy of Windows. You have just payed $800+ to use it.

Sony

Sure we pay $20 a disk but the makers dont and considering that sony themselves are the blu-ray makers they certainly wont be adding any markup on themselves. If prices do got hat high then thats it, it will spell the end for the playstation brand name. Lets hope they dont get greedy.

Rumor death...

Also, The cancellation of Theseis is still a rumor at this point. And, Sony is not losing money with each system that is sold. This is a rumor that has been floating around for almost two years. For any person that has even remotely dealt with the financial side of any business you outright know it is the most asinine rumors that has ever been started. Sales from games and accessories can not make up the cost of a console with losses like that. That rumor was likely started by ill-informed Nintendo and Microsoft fanboys. I still see it used on a daily basis by that group exclusively. Sony currently holds about 60% of the industry, leaving 40% to share between MS and Nintendo with Ms holding a larger share and other console and handhelds with less than 1%. Sony should stay on top for at least a while...

i piss on 14

i have pissed on more girls then you ver will!!!! besides i dont have a 360 because i am waiting for all three machines to be released and all the bugs to be worked out.. R Kelly aint stupid niiggs... i was just point out how insane you fanboys are that buy things on day one because sony gives you orgasms when you think about the ps3.. but once you get it home and it overheats more than the 360 ever will remember that i piss on you. and yess ps3 fanboys do fill up the 360 with flames.. i am just flaming the fans not the system.. after e3 i dont see how you can be so excited.. "riiidge Raaacer!!!!

heh

People said crap like this when games made the jump to DVD when it was relatively new. It's not a very good argument because Sony isn't spending $20 to make a single layer Blu-ray disc. You're just paying a premium because the format is new.

???

"We all know "free" online play really isn't free. How do you think Microsoft supports Windows users with "free" updates, WMP,and new IE versions? You pay $800 for a new copy of Windows and about $800 more for Microsoft Office. Even after all of this you don't technically own a copy of Windows. You have just payed $800+ to use it. by Chavagnatze, at Jun 29, 2006 at 09:26AM" what does that have to do with anything? we all know that microsoft likes to screw people over. anyway....i think sony will keep the games at 59 for a while. the system is already more than 360 so they have to keep the games competitive to sell anything

WTF

#1 is right a Blu-Ray movie does not cost anything past 25.00 bucks idiots get it right. Is Microsft and Nintendo paying you guys to bash the PS3?

R-Kel needs to get a life

Dude, Ps3 is going to have more AAA launch titles, than xbox has games....well, that matter anywayz. For an non xbox 1.5 owner, you sound like you're takin it pretty hard from ole daddy M$, maybe you should work for them...or cease to exist...one of the two, because you're comment are irrelevant....anywayz, back to the post...yeah, blue-ray...am I reading it right, the author of this said discs cost $20-30 per disc? you kidding me? Dude needs to get his facts straight, maybe him and R-Kelly could team up and make a game. It would be a best-seller on xbox 1.5...

idiot

"Also, The cancellation of Theseis is still a rumor at this point. And, Sony is not losing money with each system that is sold. This is a rumor that has been floating around for almost two years. For any person that has even remotely dealt with the financial side of any business you outright know it is the most asinine rumors that has ever been started. Sales from games and accessories can not make up the cost of a console with losses like that. That rumor was likely started by ill-informed Nintendo and Microsoft fanboys. I still see it used on a daily basis by that group exclusively. Sony currently holds about 60% of the industry, leaving 40% to share between MS and Nintendo with Ms holding a larger share and other console and handhelds with less than 1%. Sony should stay on top for at least a while... " thesis's cancellation is a rumor but even the exec is saying unless sony helps them, its way to costly to develope... and suddenly sony isnt losing ANY money? last time i checked manufacturing costs were in the 800-900 (from SEVERAL trusted console news sites) range, because of bluray and because they spent billions on cell. so wake up fanboy, ps3 is taking loses on each console sold and its is expensive to develope for.

27 just proved my point

see how angry you are getting when R Kelly comes on here bashing ps3? Microsoft sucks thats why R kelly uses linux you homo... i said i may get a ps3 when all the bugs are worked out and after sony gives up on bluray just like they did with umd. i am just on here to aggravate fanboys.. the 360 really doesnt have much going for it except for decent price and they arent ramming a format down your neck...i bet the ps3 comes with a rectal implant to make sure you only use sony products.

rethink

The PS3 supports DVD as well. Though I can not understand why all games should only on BD?

Does anyone really know?

I read the story, and I read all the flames to the writer about the price of BRD production, but I saw no links supporting either side. Does anyone really know how much it costs to produce a single BRD? How do we know they aren't selling the things at a loss in order to push the format? Console makers do that all the time as we know. All I'm saying is before everyone floods the board with flames going every direction, at least back it up with some reliable references or go home. (And if anyone says they have a 'friend' who works for $ony, and they know it only costs 2.735 cents to make a BRD, they can just stick it in their butthole because they are full of BS.)

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actually, after E3, i'm very excited about the PS3. you see, i was *actually there* and i can base my opinions of the PS3 from *hands on* experience with the games. i'm not basing my thoughts off of some one sided, non-objective journalism chock with rumor and media spin(whether from here, or everywhere else on the net). i got to *play* the PS3. i got to see and feel what the system is capable of. and it was good. real good. to be fair, i also got to play the 360, and i was very, very impressed with the system also. and looking at the future forecast of the system (Assassin's Creed in early 2007, Final Fantasy and MGS 4 probably in the fall, not to mention the other 100 games in development for the system already), there's a lot to be excited about for next year also. i remember the same criticisms about high development costs that were thrown about during the PS2 era. do any of you remember that? everywhere developers were lamenting that PS2 games would be more expensive to develop for than PS1 games, and the fact that the PS2 was difficult to develop for didn't help either. sound familiar? it should. what ended up happening? the PS2 controlled the market and established itself as a probable market leader (in it's first year, the PS2 only sold about 6 to 10 million units. the other 80 million didn't sell until later). once developers saw that the PS2 was selling well, they swallowed hard, opened up their wallets, and started to develop for the system. difficulties and high production costs and all. with this generation, i know a lot of developers were hoping the 360 would gain the lead, because it's out first, and it's using tools they are familiar with. unfortunately, the 360 has yet to capitalize on it's head start. so far, they have only sold 4 possibly 4.5 million 360s and they plan on selling 10 million by the time the PS3 launches. uh, riiiiiight. the clock is ticking, and the fact that they've failed miserably in Japan isn't helping either. the Playstation brand is popular in all 3 territories, and it's going to sell out in all 3. if Sony manages to manufacture and ship 4 million units by years end (which is their plan), they would have already caught up to Microsoft. because Microsoft's lead is uncertain, there are a lot of developers playing it safe, riding the fence, and making games for both systems (ie, Ubisoft hemming and hawing about Assassin's Creed's "exclusivity." bottom line, they aren't certain who to make the game for, but Sony is their top priority, probably because the PoP series sold more copies on the PS2). once a clearer picture of the "winner" is present, developers will be jumping ship like mad, signing exclusivity agreements (whether for a short time, or permanently), or being swallowed up by the "eading" company to offset production costs. also, something to think about: Heavenly Sword was originally supposed to be an X Box 360 game. Microsoft refused to publish it (i'm assuming because it didn't start a bald dude with a gun blowing ***** up). Sony agreed to publish the game. also, Ico didn't sell terribly well (it didn't even sell enough to qualify for a Greatest Hits title), but Sony saw promise and talent in the team, and backed them on their next project: the incredible Shadow of the Colossus. despite that fact that the game wasn't exactly what the masses were eating up at the time (basically, games like MGS4, Resident Evil 4, and God of War were the market). they saw the worth of the two titles and their development staff, and they helped them out. a company that was obsessed with profit and bottom lines wouldn't back a potentially losing horse now would they?

In the end...

It still looks bad for Sony and their PS3 no matter how you want to spin it. Let's get away from how much the games will cost (although anything past $65 is a no no). Think about the Blu Ray. Do gamers REALLY need it? Do you really want it? No. Sony is just brainwashing and forcing their new medium down your anals. You sit there and you take it with glee. Just like the UMD, which is really a failure. Think about that one. I don't see one positive about the UMD. I tried to like it, but damn. It flopped hard. In the end it's about the games, idiots. Do games really need to be on Blu Ray or HD DVD? Not really. Look at Nintendo. They once made huge epics on carts! They're finishing up on another huge epic on a GCN disc that's only what? 1.5 gigs? RE4 with it's superb graphics fits on a 1.5 gig! Nintendo is Shaolin masters on making great huge games on small mediums because of making games on small carts for 2 decades. We'll see though. HD DVD and Blu Ray might both fail. Let's get back to the costs. It is plausible that it's expensive to develop for PS3. I don't know how much their development kits cost, but I figure that it should be well over Wii's $1700 kits. I'm thinking past $10,000 per unit since it is giving you full blown access and tricks to the GPU of the PS3, which is extremely powerful. If PS3 games do cost past $65-$70 (I'm hoping it doesn't) to make up for development and publishing then it's another huge blow. I can picture a game like MGS4 at $64.99. Remember Street Fighter 2 Turbo? That game sold pretty well, but it was a must have killer game. Only great special titles can sell at that price.

...

The only thing it comes down to is that its only a video game... If you want it than shut up and save for 3 months and buy it. If you dont then who cares.... do you sleep better at night when you come on these blogs and tell the people at sony that they are morons when everyone that has anything to do with the company could really care less that you even exist.. probably not..

If you were trying to kill a fanboy you should look elsewhere...

[Quote] and suddenly sony isnt losing ANY money? last time i checked manufacturing costs were in the 800-900 (from SEVERAL trusted console news sites) range, because of bluray and because they spent billions on cell. so wake up fanboy, ps3 is taking loses on each console sold and its is expensive to develope for. ------------- All of the sources you are referring to have no actual idea to the actual production cost. Sony has been immensely successful at keeping this numbers quiet whether it is high or low. Every number that has been an estimate and nothing more. Estimates are not fact. Also, since you assume I am a fanboy... I own every system and use each system for its own strengths. I won't even get rid of my old DS due to the fact it is more durable than my DS Lite. Each system is inherently good. Which one is the best overall however....remains to be seen. I would only like to see the PS3 come out on top because I feel that Blu-ray is a far superior format and will continue to advance farther. I would like to see it become the next widely used format.

lol, to "R-Kelly" #10

man you are such an idiot, you come in to bash ps3 and you say ps3 fanboys go bashing in your supid forums LOL man that's really funny lol, to me it seems you have a real problem... in your head, because it's you who are bashing OUR forum right now! anyway, you really think bashing ps3 in a stupid post will make sony fanboys stop buying the ps3? yeah yeah, you ARE stupid, and not only a bit.... anyway, the x360 is NOT a powerfull machine, it's only an xbox with more graphics, you see en evolution where there is only an upgrade... the x360 should be titled xbox 1.5a ( yes alpha, because 1/3 x360 have the 3 red lights everybody know know... ). And the wii? the wii is really good for non-gamers, but for gamers? maybe the yonger ones, or he ones that liked guncon or "special" controlled games, but for me this is a gimmic, I mean, maybe some games will worth it, but my gamecube only have 5 games to play with and my ps2 have 76 games to play with... I don't have an xbox because I sold it, I only liked halo 1 ( halo 2 sucked ) and fable took only a location time ( only took about 4 hours to beat )... And I personnally love RPGs, and how many rpg there are in the x360? only 2 real RPG, blue dragon and lost odyssey, yeah they look real good, but only 2 ? and they'll go out in the end of 2k7 and 2k8, the same as final fantasy 13 and versus 13... final fantasy looks too great, and square-enix surely wont just make 2 games for the ps3, like the ps2 they'll surely make A LOT!! Anyway the ps3 have an OS so it's all full media center, you just have to install windows xp if you want, but basic it comes with linux pre-loaded, and the x360? wel... you have a menu :S, it's only lame... personnally I'd say the x360 will have some great games, a lot more than the xbox, I mean, around 5-6 great games, but only for the 1st gen ps3 games, you can see a bigger list annonced.... and ps2 had horrible launch titles like phantasmaphoria or something like that I don't remember the name, a 2d game with fireworks... great games only came out 1year after it's release, you say xbox will have great games? maybe, but ps3 will have more in the same time, and they started on year after... so I suppose the ps3 will not only have an OK launch, but will surely be the only console on the market that can makes me buy for more money in games that the console playing them worth! In the face if the x360 that cost less... for less... with LOT LESS games... BUT if you like only sports games buy an xbox 360, for less money you'll have the same, it's not like sports games really counts because in every console but wii they'll play so... but if you like shooter ps3 will rock with UT2k7, and x360 will rock with gears of war, so have the two consoles OR an x360 and a POWERFULL BEAST of a PC that cost a minimum 2k$ or buy the two consoles, for RPG fans... buy a ps3! for action-adventure buy a ps3 ( even ratchet and clank will be on ps3 ), you like racing games? PS3, because GT5 will be a racing game, not this s*** of gohtam projet ( I tryed it but found it very, very bad compared to GT ), for GTA fans everybody will be happy anyway...

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actually, RE4 fit on *two* 1.5 gig Gamecube discs. on the PS2, it was only one DVD, *and* it had extra costumes and the PS2 exclusive Ada story. Also, Nintendo didn't make RE4, Capcom did. if anything, Capcom should be praised for using the limitations of the Gamecube format and making a kickass game. High Def is the future of gaming. and it has nothing to do with us. it's the developers making the games. they want to display their games in the best quality available, and that is HD. for ages, the PC always had that advantage, whereas console developers had to deal with the limitations of Television screens. no longer. like any forward thinking company, Sony is trying to position itself at the forefront of this new evolution of the video game industry. the people in the rear never benefit from anything. UMD's have been a failure for *movies.* last i checked, PSP games are still being distributed on UMDs. how is that a failure? the format is still being used. now if games suddenly started appearing on Pro Stick Duo's (which i kind of hope for, actually), then the UMD format will be officially dead. there may not be many positives for UMD, but if you want to play games(legally) on your PSP, you need to use them. anyway, a lot of people keep on bringing up current gen games, when we're talking about *Next Gen* games. back when the PS1 was out, did we ever think a game like GTA3 would be possible on the CD format? it wasn't, because their wasn't enough room, as well as the limitations of the PS1 technology. because the next gen systems after PS1 used DVD, GTA3 was able to become a reality because of the increased capacity. with this Next Generation, there will be an ambitious developer who will use every bit of the 25 gigs available on Blu Ray, and then the 50 gigs. Epic's Mark Rein already said that he plans on using 30 gigs for Unreal or some such game, and other developers find 9 gigs confining. the DOA guy said he was bewildered that Microsoft stayed with DVD, as converting the 5 minute trailer to DOA 4 in HD would take up 2 gigs. there are some companies (Square-Enix, Namco, Team Ninja), that still use and adore pre-rendered cinemas. those companies will be outputting those CG cinemas in HD. I downloaded the 15 minute HD trailer for MGS4 and it took up around 1.5 gigs. using that model, if a game has an hour of HD cinemas (highly possible), that's 6 gigs used up just on video, leaving close to 3 gigs for the actual game and it's assets on a DVD9. a lot of games nowadays (not Next Gen), are using over 5 gigs (i'm testing Neverwinter Nights 2, and you'll need at least 6 gigs free, not including room for saves). Dreamfall for the PC takes up 7 gigs, and Oblivion takes up about 5. those games are not Next Gen games. being nice, even if the game only had 30 minutes of Hd footage, it would take up 3 gigs. i just don't think true Next Gen games will be under 10 gig affairs. stop thinking about games as we see them now, and go bigger. Assassin's Creed isn't a slouch in the visual department, but it's the scope of the game, and the depth of the design that makes it a Next Gen game. personally, i'm all for removing shackles and giving developers the tools they need to be as creative as possible. i'd rather give a master painter a great canvas and some oils than a sketchbook and crayons (granted they could do great work either way, my point is about the options available). a developer would much rather have 25 gigs than 10 gigs. it's breathing room, basically. as for PS3 dev kits, i think they're around $20,000. sure, to some folks, that may seem like a lot, but when you have a company like EA and Activision, companies that make nearly and over 1 billion dollars a year (i worked for Activision, so i know they aren't starving for cash), a few $20,000 PS3 dev kits isn't a big deal. also, when the PS3 reaches it's halfway point, those $20,000 dev kits won't be as expensive anymore, so smaller devs eager to make a PS3 game can purchase a dev kit or two and get to work. Blu Ray has a larg

Uhhh...

Well I will not pay anything over 60$ for a single game.... I don't have much money, but boy if I did i'd buy a PS333, Where we both could livvve...

cant see that

Must just be aloada nonsence. And if its true Sony need to wake up cause they are in trouble. I always wonder though if games like oblivion which are HUGE can make it on to a Doubled sided DVD and look fantastic then why do PS3 games need Blu-ray and all that space? And dont games these days cost so much to make that most of them get multiple launches? Thought thats why games like Resideny evil 5, GTA4 and whatever else were all supporting PS3 + Xbox360 if not PC aswell. maybe not correct me if am wrong.

this just in!!

I have a very good friend working at EA as a developer for the madden series. Been workin there for 10+ years. He has confirmed to me that the games will be $79.99 or $89.99. NO BULLSHIIT!! explain THAT sonyfanbiotches!!

asdfa

"But don't blame Sony. It's the price of the Blu-ray media (\$20 - \$30 each vs 5-10 cents for DVDs - you do the math) which will jack up the price of PS3 games. Wait, Sony is Blu-ray. Go ahead then." lol u know why he said "u do the math" because HE CANT!

my take

Like digital cable, HD is the future in entertainment. I keep reading comments that people say games don't need it, etc etc. But if you want to play your Final Fantasy games and games that have lots of video, you'll probably want those videos in HD if you paid the money for the TV and the system. Blu-ray and gaming is a good thing.

Rkelly

No, you proved my point. You're still 5 yrs old. Go potty train somewhere else....moron. Why are you still breathing? If you want a ps3 get one, if you don't, who gives a crap...not any1 here.....

anywayz......

personally, I don't thik games will be more than $70. I think they will reasonably priced aroun $60, just like xbox 1.5's games. They know they will lose a husge crowd if their games go that expensive.

To Figboy

Ah, you see that? I don't want to get in to specs because it's all meaningless if the game overall doesn't make it work, but you start pointing out HD cut scenes? You know one of the downfalls of Metal Gear were the cut scenes. Kojima, I felt, went a wrong way with MGS2. Besides from Raiden, the game was overloaded with scenes. Ruined the game. MGS 1 was all about the gameplay. Noticed how Snake Eater became? Far superior when compared to MGS2. Trailers are just for show. No need to bring them up. Most games don't even need it. Just a waste of space UNLESS it's meaningful and progresses the story. Hell they can probably save more space just using in-game models to do these cutscenes instead of going all out like a movie. Not a solid argument to portray that all that extra space is gonna be used for something that doesn't increase or affect gameplay. Save that for more levels, missions and stuff like that. Iwata and Miyamoto is right. Simple games like Tetris can't be published today, but only on Nintendo. Simple game, simple primitive graphics, and simple music. The only game rivaling that is Lumines but that had overloaded visuals when compared to Tetris. No need to bring up Geometry Wars either. It's not an online game. Not published. Don't bring up GTA 3 being impossible on CD. I KNOW THAT it's impossible. Don't undermine what I'm saying. My mistake on RE4 being on one disc. 2 GCN discs = 3 gigs. It's still less than a standard DVD game. If you wanna talk about GTA 3 then what about Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time? How do those games fit on a cart? Nintendo just knows how to utilize space. Oblivion is on a double sided DVD. A great deep LONG game with GREAT visuals on a DVD. DVD still has alot of life. Why the rush to move on to Blu Ray or HD-DVD so quickly? Why does Sony need all that space? It's quite simple. It's a pre-emptive strike. They're preparing for the future. Use all that space for HD trailers and cutscenes, too? Man that's stupid. It would become less and less of a game. More of an interactive movie. You could have said that they are going to use that space for more textures, lighting, etc. But you know what? When we get into a game, we're not going to say "oh $hit! Look at the textures on that stone! Amazing!" If any one does that, they have no life and gettin no sex. "Oh geez look at the shading and lighting! That truely makes this game a perfect 10 just because of that! I bet this game is better than Zelda! Oh look! This game is 50 gigs big! Yeah, it's sooooo much better than Ocarina of Time and Symphony of the Night!" Retarded (rolls eyes). Just because Blu Ray gives more space, it doesn't make a game better. So $20,000 for a dev kit? Ahh even for big corporations like EA and Activision, that's still alot. They want to make money and in the process, keep money for themselves.

Fanboys like Alaric are getting better, they were caliming Blu-rays cost $70 to manufacture weeks ago

At least they took it down a few notches. Hopefully by the time the P3 is out they will get the correct price down. Figboy thanks for your throughout comments, Perhaps you should be posting for QJ.net. Your's are the types of comments we need. They have substance and backing. Let me clear one thing up for some of the negative post out here. * Was Blu-Ray necessary for the PS3? No * Is Sony using the PS3 to make sure Blu-Ray wins the format war? Yes * Is Sony a company that is out solely for profits? You bet your WiiSack they are. Saying that however please understand a few things. Blu-Ray is not necessary but neither is your HDTV needed to watch television. It is beneficial however. Here is something you might not know: Oblivion was not HD because the developers simply could not fit it on a DVD if it was. Trust me when I say that it will definitely help in creating better, larger games, with better video sound and what have you. Remember kids, we can always use more space. Sony is using the PS3 to introduce Blu-Ray to the world but this isn't as negative as it seems. You see Sony has grown the market far more than Nintendo and Sega ever dreamed. In the SNES/Genesis days the industry sold about 80 million units worth of consoles. Nowadays the industry sells around 200 million, not to mention the amount of software being sold is in the billions. Sony is trying to widen the industry yet again but this time with much more media functionality. Games are still top priority but we gamers benefit greatly from industry expansion so quit your whining unless you want to back to playing pong with the neighborhood geek. I personally want to enjoy games with girlfriend, family and friends or even some strange dude in South Korea. Get this through your thick heads: Every corporation is out for profits. That is their purpose for being. Nintendo, MS nor Sony care about you, however they will please you in order to make a profit, and this means taking risk that make them look like they are trying to save the industry (Ninty tries to give this false image) Ok so there you have it. Go spread the word and enjoy your games, I for one can't wait to this next generation gets cranking.

Captain Obvious is in the building.

Gee thanks "TheProfessor" Yes, bigger space is always better. The bigger question: How do developers take advantage of that? Will they? Just to use it for more textures? More realism? Better tears just like in Heavy Rain? Better water and explosion effects? More massive damage? More spectacular crab battles? Yes, every corp is in it to make money and they're not paying us. Yea yea we get it. You're trying to sound righteous in a corrupt online world of fanboys. You need to save the day. Correction from my last post: Geo Wars is an online game. Now other fanboys shouldn't attack me for that mistake.

#46 a few of your comments bothered me.

A game like Tetris would never be published because no one would pay 60 dollars for a simple game like that. These types of games have a different market and are usually given away for free online. These types of games will be available in the next generation but only through web services. Sony/MS/Ninty has this on the pipeline. Just because you don't like FMV doesn't mean other don't. I love FMV, It's like a reward every time you get one. Why do you think so many games have them when you complete a game. How sad it is when you finish a game and there is no movie sequence. "Nintendo just knows how to utilize space." People always find tricks to fit things in small places especially in the computing world but why limit the creativity of the developers? Freedom breeds creativity and with more space you better believe people will find ways to fill it up. "Oblivion is on a double sided DVD. A great deep LONG game with GREAT visuals on a DVD. DVD still has a lot of life. Why the rush to move on to Blu Ray or HD-DVD so quickly? " Go to youtube and search for 360 sucks and you see a video comparing how MGS3's graphics are actually better than Oblivion. Why? Space issues. Oblivion in HD would be gigantic. " Just because Blu Ray gives more space, it doesn't make a game better. " No but again why restrict the people creating the games if you don't have to? Do you agree that it's nice to see our consoles gain more processing power every generation? Same thing for space, not needed but nice to have. 20k is nothing trust me. Let's say your a small company with 20 (untold legends has 40+ people working on it) people allocated to making a new game, your average pay is 60k a year. It takes you a year and half to make the make the game. That comes to 1.8 million dollars and that's just your work force expense. 20k is about 1 percent of that, when you take all expenses into account is about .5 percent of the total cost of the game. Now do you honestly think even a small studios thinks .5 (For large studios it's about .1 percent) is too much money? No. I worked at a small financial firm and we paid 90K for software that receives messages in a certain format and parsed them for us and my company gladly paid it without thinking twice.

Your welcome - by Captain Obvious

The point of my comment was to point out the Obvious, I am glad you agree. " The bigger question: How do developers take advantage of that? Will they? Just to use it for more textures? More realism? Better tears just like in Heavy Rain? Better water and explosion effects? More massive damage? More spectacular crab battles?" That's the beauty of more space, devs can fill it up anyway they want. Only time will tell what they can come up with. "Yes, every corp is in it to make money and they're not paying us. Yea yea we get it. You're trying to sound righteous in a corrupt online world of fanboys. You need to save the day. " I don't care much about saving the day, just trying to clear misconceptions. Many fanboys believe their company cares about them and use this as an argument to why they should win (Ninty fanboys are big on this)

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you 360 fanboys have a serious inferiority complex. you secretly know that 360 will be a joke of epic proportions so you go into wii and ps3 forums and bash them. then when you hear news that the 360 is going to suck you get all defensive like its a personal attach on your character when it is really just a stupid game system. The fact is that MS has the least amount of respect for the consumers... Nintendo is just now starting to respect us again after 10 years of terrible sales and nintendo bashing.. Sony has a very powerful machine at an affordable price. MS is just using you to force blu ray on consumers and it is going to work on me. and nintendo is asking a meessly 250 for their machine with cheaper and simpler games.

to TheProfessor:

Thanks for your comments, and for also responding to 46. i was going to respond to him, but then i read your comments, and they were exactly what i was going to type, so i didn't bother for redundancies sake. lol. i was actually going to become a QJ poster, but i turned the position down because i'm focusing on my cartoon right now, and i'm also employed at Obsidian Entertainment, and that eats up any time i would have to write for QJ.Net. maybe in the future when Neverwinter Nights 2 is finished, and i have some time that's *not* devoted to sleeping, eating, or work. it's seems futile to point out logic when everyone is hellbent on this "Sony bashing" bandwagon. i happen to see great value in the console, and i am also making a way for me to afford it as well. i don't see what the big deal is. in a few years, we'll all be forced to have HD televisions, much like how we were slowly and smoothly forced to upgrade to broadband internet and digital cable. since i am in the market for a new TV anyway (my current one is showing it's age), i figured, why not save up some extra dough and get an HD one? then, with the PS3 supporting HD, and Blu Ray (which i got to see in action at this years E3), i'd at least have some content to show it off. now, onto Blu Ray and disc space; i figured the benefits to gaming would be obvious to people. i'm sure if the PS3 was $400, everyone would be creaming their pants and touting the console over. because Sony just can't afford to ship it for less than $500, people go insane. it's a powerful, high end piece of consumer technology (probably about $2000 worth), rolled up into a $600 package. hell, i'm halfway to that already, and i've only been saving every once in a while, when i get some extra dough. by November, i should have close to 2 grand saved up, and half of that is going for the PS3, an extra controller, and five games (that totals, with Los Angeles' 8.25% tax, to $1,017). basically, usually spoiled 15 year olds are pissed because they won't be able to convince ma and pop to shell out $600 for the PS3, and they're too lazy to save up for it. and they're too impatient to wait for the price drop, because then they won't be able to brag to their little superficial high school friends that they got a PS3 first. reasonable adults who enjoy movies, internet, and games will see plenty value in the PS3 which is, in fact, "more than a games console," unlike it's competition.

sources

just to get the heat off the author of this post, it seems that he did not make up the 20-30 dollar price for a blank blu-ray media disc. If you go on to NexTechNews you can see that they have it at that price. Don't blame QJ...blame their sources......

hmmm

i was at Fry's a few weeks ago, and me and my buddy saw writable Blu Ray discs for $20 each. if that's the case, there is no way that it's costing $20 to manufacture, and there's no way Sony (who *created* the Blu Ray) would mark up production costs of their own media. i'm assuming that it costs a few bucks to create a Blu Ray (i'm guessing $1 or $2 each). still, it seems increasingly common for certain QJ writers to report any and every negative rumor about Sony, without any kind of further delving into the situation, or research (ie, the Theseis story). then, when the story or rumor proves false, this site loses some credibility. there are only a few writers on here that i think post true objective journalism, and when they do state their opinion's, it's appropriately in the their opinion pieces. i'ts not unfair or unreasonable to ask that the writers stop with the senstionalist media spin, especially if th main source of the article is a sentence long comment, message board, or Microsoft exec saying how lame the PS3 is (i read this article on one site proudly proclaiming that developers everywhere say the PS3 is difficult to develop for, and the two developers in question worked for Microsoft!).

cds? blueray?

I feel another "cd's are more expensive than tapes to manufacture" ploy. Even after cds were cheaper to manufacture we still paid the high price of $20 a disc... that is until everone got pissed and downloaded napster and kazaa... I will buy a ps3 if the games are that much, but only after they have succesfully modded the thing to run backups. Screw the media, entertainment should not be so expensive. The cost of Movies, CDs, and Games, has risen the price of other forms of entertainment.

>> figboy

I dont really know what to believe anymore figboy. The ps3 keeps receiving bad PR at every turn. You do have a point however. I am sure PS3 games will not cost a fortune. Afterall, most people don't want to spend upwards of 65+ dollars for a game. I still remember when I bought my copy of the legend of zelda: ocarina of time for 75 CAN dollars. Now THATS expensive. Microsoft is determined to knock sony off its throne. Well I don't think that can be accomplished so easily. I still think the XBOX 360 is a pretty good gaming machine (my friend owns one). I enjoy playing the arcade and the demos but there are no games out for it right now. I don't want to be playing table tennis for an hour... I am hoping that sony will do a better job at launch then microsoft did. But I know that this probably wont happen. It's all good though. I already pre-ordered my system. I'm seventh in line!

UMD has not failed, in fact its...

UMD has not failed, even now its beginning to get even more popular. New formats always do this. Remember the flash memory sticks? When they maxed at 8MB and costed over 100 bucks. Not many people purchased it until they realized how much better flash memory is. Then people started buying them like crazy. Then they got better and better. UMD is the same. It hit a good a little after the launch of the system. Movies were nice and crisp on the screen, games had awsome graphics and audio. No handheld has the quality of the UMD format if they still use carthridges. Right now its picking up. Movies are cheaper, people are still buying them, games have been better and better. Blu-ray will only need time like any new format does. DVD didnt hit big until a long time after it was released.

To Figboy

If I'm not mistaking, your working on Neverwinter Nights 2 right? If you are, then is it hard to develop for the PS3? If you aren't working on it then my bad.

Xbots

Games will always be $49 because no one will buy it if it's higher. Sony isn't dumb. Microsoft on the other hand, is very dumb.

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How the ***** old are you guys? 14? Does no one remember the retail prices for the 16-Bit generation? Get jobs.

Remember the Analysts!

Remember when Merril Lynch said the PS3 would cost $800 to make? And no one believe it could cost anywhere near that? Well guess what, facts of life is, this thing is EXPENSIVE. Sony says its "too cheap". Too cheap for them to profit, but not too cheap for the consumer to buy. Sony: you need to go back to stage one. Design a product that meets the need of your consumer. Don't assume anything. You did it once with the beta-max, twice with the PSX, and this is your third strike. Don't do this to your fans, they'll follow you to death, and they don't deserve that.

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What cr@p. Who ever published this article has just embarrassed them self’s. Hey guess what the new analogue sticks on the PS3 cost $100 each....FACT

The release titles, prices, and soft dates have been out for a while now....

Walk into any place the does game reservations. I'll use Gamestop's/EBGames since they are more reliable for reservations. They can even print you off a list of release and 2nd wave titles (and one March release as of yesterday) including the ship dates and release prices. PS3 titles are $49.99 and $59.99, Collector Edition's are $69.99. These are official release prices and were set by the publishers, not by the 'hardware manufacturer' Sony, although of course Sony does have many titles in that list that they are publishing. Oh and btw, while you are there knab your pre-order of the exclusive Collector's Edition of Final Fantasy XII. Just a nice thread hijack to say kudos to Gamestop for knabbing an awesome opportunity.

this is for #21 and qj bloggers

qj do research before commiting your self to a comment or quote! 21 you are sad bashing qj for making a mistake, you are worse because you bash and talk trash without verifying your self. no sony doesnt make there own products they out source them. you know those memory sticks yes some one else makes them for them. they make a few thing in house but not every thing. its cheaper to go to another company that dedicates themselves to creating cd/dcd/bd media than having to create a section just for bd media to keep there costs down.