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It seems much lies on the hands of Sony's PS3. Many are awaiting its release, with its much-publicized cost and quite costly price tag. The PS3 is key to the medium-term success of this company since so much has been invested in it, said Yoji Takeda who helps manage $600 million in Asian stocks at RBC Investment (Asia) Ltd. in Hong Kong. Success may be harder because of the pricing and the delays of the product so far.Rival company Microsoft has taken an advantage of the PS3's delay, to win market share for its Xbox 360.
The production of PS3 has caused the company much as well, with the features such as the Blu-ray high-definition DVD player and the Cell chip, which will make the PS3 run 35 times faster than the PS2. According to the stock market though, Sony has to hasten the PS3's release, as shares in Sony had fallen 8.9 percent between March 15 and the earnings release because of the PlayStation 3 delay. Moreover, losses at the division for the full year will probably swell to 100 billion yen this fiscal year, and the total investment will take five years to recoup, Takao Yuhara, Sony's head of investor relations told reporters on July 28.
To remedy the company's losses, Sony's Chief Executive Officer Howard Stringer has closed 9 factories, removed 9600 jobs as well as Sony's restaurant chain and reduced costs by 76 billion yen.
And it seems that its up to the PS3 to make or break the company's sales. Additional revenue sources from the PS3 will justify the spending, Yuhara said. Users can enjoy not only games but entertainment content in high definition on the console or on line. Hopefully the PS3's sales will say the same too.
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This is great. I don't mean to rant like a fanboy, but this couldn't be greater news for a guy like me who had to witness SEGA's untimely fall. Knowing that Sony is suffering enough, nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see this company's demise, as least in terms to gaming.
THIS IS SIMPLE...
FIRST.... This whole PS3 being f**king expensive is BS..
Try to build PC with PS3 capability:-
Cell CPU (mostly comparable to Intel Core 2)
60 GIG HDD
2 Nvida RSX..so in PC term... SLI
Blue Ray Drive as well as DVD-9 support..
HDMI OUT...
HD (7.1) AUDIO
Linux Prebuilted and mostly upgradable...(common sence)
WIRELESS builtin...
case and stable PSU...
oh!...Free Controller(one) ...USB...Ethernet...
FULLY Keyboard and Mouse supported....stated by Sony
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HOW f***ing much do ya thing it would cost to build a PC that can do all this without lagging ....hmm.... like
$2000US..... at least....
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You pay..... $599 US for all this.....
and WAIT>>> you a**hole who always say that the linux on PS3 is not great or striped down and browsing the net on TV sucks.....ok then.... Here....now buy this....
A simple PC for $300 that comes with.... DVD burner...and EVERy thing that u need to do SURFING...Office....and ***** u wanna do....(emulator of SNES or NES or such...ok?)
NOW add the both ... PS3($600)+PC($300)....that is.....
$900 wow...!!!.... with $900 PC i don think u can do ANY ***** (next gen gaming that is....) Now....
I haven't even mentioned the EXClusive games on PS3 yet.........
SO you save ....$1100 dollars...wow!!! call me dumb or don know ***** about PC .... go F**k yourself.... use common sence....(yeah i know about my spelling )...
so PS3 is ACTUALLY CHEAP....u see...!!!
How many times are you going to keep posting the same thing here? I'm a huge sony fan and I know the ps3 is expensive, but it is value for money because you're getting what you paid for. The pc comparison is kind of pointless because consoles have always provided more bang for the buck, and always will.
So the ps3 is not cheap, it is an expensive console that gamers like me are willing to pay for, but other gamers may not feel the same.
"I don't mean to rant like a fanboy.."
But you just did, but at least you admint your a fanboy.
sigh.
nobody want to pay 100$ just for media car support, 40gig HDD and wireless networking!! I mean, I'll buy a HDD bigger in about 2-3 years, not 40gig more, at the same price!!! Also, my wireless network also support ethernet ( dah ) and media card? why? If I want to see the content on my mem stick I'll plug it USB!
ps: I didn't know sony had restaurants, surely in japan... it mush be weird eating in an high tech restaurants lol, I'm sure they had sony wega to show the menu, lol. "I'll take a playstation burger with a 42" plasma coke please"
"nobody want to pay 100$ just for media car support, 40gig HDD and wireless networking!!"
And HDMI, and I do want to pay $100 for all of that.
So for gamers like me, the PS3 is $599.
Haha, what a post! There is no doubt that the PS3 is cheap for what it has built inside of it due to Sony's economy of scale and the fact they subsidise the cost of the consoles.
Everybody's big gripe about the cost is that it is too expensive for a GAMING CONSOLE. Whether many people are prepared to pay $500-$600 for a console is yet to be proven.
I think it's a little harsh to predict the demise of Sony due to PS3. I can see Sony holding on to an acceptable market share (at least equivalent to Gamecube or Xbox in last gen).
In four years time, when the price has dropped considerably, the game library has expanded and developers are using the PS3 to much of its potential, expect sales to boom.
Only problem is what else will be happening in four years. Will Xbox3 be on the horizon. WiiHDlite is released? Sega to come back into the market? Apple?
...thats funny, seeming as sony have just announced they made a large profit lately :-/
where does QJ get this crap from?!?! or have they just completely ignored the whole profit thing Sony made last month. Not just that, people are comparing them with SEGA. LAst time i checked, Sega where mainly just a games company, unlike Sony, who are a huge TV, mobile, PC, every other electronic company, one of the biggest in the world.
I think it is very harsh to write off an entire company. Of course shares have dropped, the PS2 and its games will be selling alot less now that PS3 is being advertised and its release isnt that far off. Not only that, all shops arent that busy, its the summer, and i know from experience in electrical retail, the summer isnt a great time of year for selling goods. I have shares in Dixons, i know they drop stupidly during the summer months, only to rise like crazy later in the year.
And this whole price thing is blown way way out of proportion. I agree with no.3. Of course its expensive, anything for that amount is, but for what you get inside the box its value for money, whether you like sony or not.
I´m a gamer too! But this time it seems we get a Blue-Ray-Player with gaming capabilities and not vice versa.
If I pay 600 bucks I do not want to hear things like: "You get Blue-Ray."
Hey, the brand is "Playstation", so I wanna have photorealistic graphics in games.. further more I expect those of such an expensive piece of hardware which starts one year ahead.
And not the s**t, f***in BD-ROM
Sorry for that statement, but those discussions make me angry :-(
I think gamers are not the target-group in this battle
Cheers....
Yes, it is a cheap PC, but the problem is, people think of the PS3 as a console and that is the problem. It is an expensive console, plus the cost of an HDTV. From Sonys point of view it is a media centre and a PC and a console. If every one took it like this it would not be ZOMG it's expensive, but holy f***ing S**t its cheap.
Untill people see it like that, it's expensive to people.
its quite dumb to say sony got rid of 10'000 employees, factories etc because of the PS3. This was done to get Sony as a whole back on track. And guess what, they are, since they posted a profit for last quarter.
And to say "the ps3 make or break Sony" is just weird, 2/3 of Sony's earnings are coming from the electronics part. And the PS is not part of that.
sony have basically stressed the bluray thing way too early. no one has seen or heard anything really about bluray or hddvd... there have been no demonstrations to show us how much better hd movies will look, there is nothing to show us that bluray is so great.
i can personally see it working out, you should see pal video feeds on one of those massive bravia tvs... it looks so bad, but when you plug in the hd stuff it comes out so good!
sony's first impression with analysts and gamers alike has been pretty poor (for ps3) as they have sent a reallly mixed message (like e3 2005). they attempted to fix it with e3 2006 by focussing resolutely on games, where it should have paid a little attention to other details we were hungry for.
the real deal-breaker will be how it advertises ps3 around the world, as this will be when it invades the home, and the common man's life. if they can get that part right then the world is theirs, as they will have shown that ps3 is worth its price tag.
i like how the most eagerly awaited titles in japan are already ps3, that spells good news for sony... they were right to show mgs4 and ff13 so well... i still look back at that mgs4 trailer with a smile.
as for this article, it's pretty obvious that ps3 will make or break sony, at least if ps3 works out they'll be enormous, and if ps3 fails then sony will be f00ked. but they have several irons in the fire, they have electronics divisions and mp3 etc, which are picking up lately and will continue to do so (their hdtvs are doing rather well)... so their little 'investment in the future' type schemes are starting to pay off. i remember when it was the ps2 keeping sony from going down (due to hdtv being just a glimmer in someone's eye, and regular tv being crud).
psp isn't doing all that bad either.
just imagine if sony were doing what microsoft is doing!! they'd be long gone. ms are being evil with their xbox360 etc, with such deep pockets you can bully anyone out of the market... thankfully sony and nintendo are still beating them!
Good post comedy :), just a shame you had to spoil it with your last paragraph. :(
How many of you who own more than one DS says PS3 is expensive? If you are rich enough to own multiple DS, then you don't have the right to say PS3 is expensive.
I can only afford 1 DS, so I can say PS3 is expensive. On the other hand, I'm tempted to get it when Heavenly Sword is release.
As a games console, the PS3 is expensive, regardless of whether a gamer can afford it or not. So even if I was a millionaire (*dreams of the lifestyle*), I still have the right to say the PS3 is expensive.
People say its expensive now, but your forgetting this is going to be the first HD movie player to his the masses and that alone could be its sucess. The PS2 brought DVD into many peoples homes (including my own) and certainly was a major factor in the sucess of DVD.
When its out, it may end up being a very popular console, then all of a sudden people will sell their grannies to buy one and the moaning will stop. Or reduce at least.
But sony arnt marketing it as a console, they have gone for a different part of the gaming market. Infact all the next gen consoles have. Wii is purely games, 360 is games, movies and a little more with the PS3 being the whole lot.
As gamers WE HAVE A CHOICE!!!!! For those complaining, I suggest you ask the guy holding a gun to your head to kindly leave you alone.
well, yeah i like to try to keep my fanboy sentiments insidious but sometimes i can't help but simply say them out loud... i did feel it was a slightly hypocritical thing to say as most (if not all at some point or other) consoles are sold at a loss with the intention of making up the losses on software... just ms have not managed to succeed whereas sony and N have, so in a way ms have merely been a little unlucky and perhaps over optimistic with xbox/360 pricing
Hey #2, you brought up a PC comparison so I figured I would make a modest list of components just so people could see your point with real value.
Prices taken from Newegg
$185 - Intel 3.2ghz Dual Core
$88 - Asus motherboard
$53 - 512MB DDR2 800Mhz
$430 - Nvidia 7900 GTX
There is no listed blu-ray drive however the burners are listed retail as $999, the PS3 however isn't a burner and I think a fair under-estimation would be $399.
That is a total of $1155 for a very good PC.
However, this is a total for base components and doesn't take a lot of the small things into account.
You should not compare the ps3 with pc hardware! Compare it with the competitors hardware and you will recognize that the ps3 is not cheap at all! Anyway I wished the ps3 was more a gaming-system then a media-device. Maybe SONY upgrate the RSX to G80 than i´ll be lucky
"losses at the division for the full year will probably swell to 100 billion yen this fiscal year, and the total investment will take five years to recoup"
When it talks about losses, it is specifically for the PS division, not the $ony as a whole. That is how they can lose money and still post a profit; they have other divisions to compensate.
Still, a million-bajillion dollars is a ton of money, and in the five years it takes to recoup, the next gen will be up to bat. Then they will be spending the following five years trying to recoup from PS4 losses. It is not exactly a stable business model.
You could list all the prices you want, it's as irrelevent now as it's always been, since consoles are not PCs and PCs are not consoles.
lol! That's more like it comedy.
That was another good post btw. I hope you do manage to control your 'fanboy sentiments' in future, because you make some good points and so your posts are WAY better without them. :)
i think that the PS3 to PC comparisons are more than valid since Sony themselves are referring to the PS3 as a computer, the components that make up the PS3 are very similar (if not outright the same) as a computer, and it has a lot of functionalities that a computer would have (Linux, Internet browsing, Hard Drive, etc.
i don't blame Sony for pimping the multimedia functionalities of the PS3. as gamers (who frequent gaming sites and probably indulge in gaming magazines), we know about the gaming side of the PS3. asking Sony to wax poetic about the games every single time they're up to speak is unneccessary. believe me, when the games are ready to be shown, Sony will talk about them. and 3rd party developers will do the same.
judging by the games i saw and played at E3 this year, i am very, very impressed with the PS3, and feel that the price will, ultimately be worth it, as this November launch is for *Hardcore Fans ONLY*, much like the launch of the PS2. the PS2 only sold 10 million units in it's first year (much like it's older brother, the PS1). the additional 90 million units that the console went on to sell did so *after* that first year, and after price drops. i've been saying that over and over again in the hopes that it would sink in (since it's true), but no one seems to listen.
After 2007, and the hardcore have splurged themselves on PS3s, there will be a price drop, and heavy marketing to the mainstream, casual market. thanks to the early adopters, the Blu Ray format will have probably proven to be successful enough to get the mainstream interested, but, due to the early adopters, they would have to wait anyway for a chance to get their hands on a PS3 console. by that point, it's highly possible that stand alone Blu Ray players may have dropped as well, but not quite enough to match the price of the PS3.
by the end of 2008, the PS3 iwll probably undergo another price drop, and the system will be more available to the casual gamer. also, by 2008, Blu Ray will still have permeated more homes, as the people who wanted to pay for a reduced price PS3 in 2007 have done so, and probably bought a few Blu Ray movies to use with the system.
it must also be considered that the price of HD TVs is dropping significantly (i've already seen some for under $800). by 2008, when PS3s are cheaper and more widespread, HDTVs will probably be under $500. and considering the significant jump in quality over a standard definition television, the millions of people thinking of upgrading their TV (a lot of shows are being broadcast in HD, and that number will grow in the next few years), will probably have no problem with ponying up an additional $200 for that $500 set over the SD tv they were thinking of buying.
Sony is one of the more forward thinking companies i've seen, and it's impressive to see a company so large take such big risks, and for the most part, succeed (after, the original Playstation was considered the bastard child of Sony, garnering no respect from the other departments in the company. needless to say, that's changed, and the brand has become the companies saving grace. man, i love irony).
I never claimed a console was a PC. But since it's brought up let me show you some similarities. Hard drives, game patches, online play, advanced media functions, web browser, etc. Consoles are similar to PC's and Sony (and eventually MS) want you to believe that.
$1.39 - loaf of wheat bread
$3.99 - half-pound roast beef
$2.99 - barbecue sauce
That comes to $8.37, thanks for the freedom.
Blah blah, more unneccesary posting.
Trying to enforce digital rights to the consumer will and does cost much more than it gives back to Sony.
(just try to remember UMD, and the strategy behing the "universal" media disk)
Being obssesed with it however, will hit PS3 revenue and the company as a whole.
Sony doesn't have to prove nothing, the Playstation brand is enough to prove that it will successful. You want a PS3, pay for it, doen't like the price, don't pay it. Want the exclusive games and so on, just you have to buy it eventually. I will buy it eventually, not saying that it will be on launch but maybe it will still on the $600 price tag when I can't wait anymore.... : )
All the idiots that have no life but to sit around and posting all day, wishing that Sony would fail. So pathetic. Lol.
there are more idiots growing in these forums everyday!!
but heres some facts for your thoughts...or questions..reply if u must!! i need answers.
1) the sony psp is a failure..its a nice looking machine but the games on it sucks!! bigtime!! only game worth playing is TEKKEN, thats it!! only thing keeping this thing afloat is the homebrew.
2) I dont really blame sony for COPYCATing the other consoles...but where is the originality here SONY?? u couldnt think of a better design? it really looks like they teamed up with geroge foreman on the design..dont u think??
3) fanboys/fanbiotches: broke people that side with one company making themselves the official "put company name here" biotches!! panties. pom poms...anything..they will put it on and cheer away!!
4) I will win this so called console war. why??!! heres why...
a) When the 360 realeased, i bought 2 of em. i sold one of em for twice the amount and someone bought it, because of the hype and the shortage. so that left me with a brand new 360 for FREE!!!
b) I will buy a bunch of reserves for the ps3 and the wii. so on release day, i will sell each ticket for 200 dollars each. so all u FANBIOTCHES can drool all over em and get yourself a copy. in turn gives me all the moolah that i need to buy myself a console..
cause im not a fanboy!! im a hustler homie!!
*****a ask about me!!
b)
Personally, I haven't been too hot on Sony lately. Their marketing arrogance and downright false claims I looked down upon from the very start.
But I doubt PS3 will "make or break" Sony.
Sony is a multimedia giant. Whether you like it or not, they can make capital with or without the PS3.
But that isn't really the end of the story either. In a realistic worst case scenario for Sony, the Wii will be massively popular among the mainstream public and its hardcore audience, and along with its earlier release date than PS3, it will sweep away it's audience base. PS3 can have all the hardware advantages it wants, but in the end, it's all about the games, and this is ultimately where PS3 takes a huge hit from, particularly in the very beginning.
Because Wii will not only have simple-yet-effective games to pull in the gamers early on, it will also have Virtual Console, already granting the Wii a big start. This may cause developers to jump ship over to Nintendo because of it's gaining popularity, and this will cripple the PS3.
Ultimately, games like FFXIII and Assassin's Creed will suck back hardcore gamers with breathtaking graphics that the Wii can't offer, but if the Wii steals away enough fanbase, the companies will look for new ways to develop their games for the most popular console.
If Sony can't recover from the stolen fanbase, developers might stay on the Wii, and it can only spell tragedy for the PS3, come what may, good games or bad.
And Microsoft, in reality, has to do very little but jeer at the upcoming contenders. It won't be very successful in Japan, but it's already established a fanbase here in America. It just needs to keep doing what it's doing.
But, that's just a worst case scenario. Who knows if Blu-Ray will take off. Who knows if Sony will buckle under the pressure and release a "cheaper" system (even though prices would surely show up elsewhere in online costs, game expenses, etc). There's not a lot of telling what'll happen here in the upcoming console war.
"I never claimed a console was a PC....Consoles are similar to PC's and Sony (and eventually MS) want you to believe that."
And PCs are similar to consoles, but the fact is, 'similar' is not good enough.
I have a digital TV card in my PC, which I use to watch TV. I just finished recording a series of programs from the digital TV card into my PC's hard drive. I have used software to edit out the commercials, create a menu, and burned it onto DVD, which adds to my collection of other homemade DVDs for TV series and films. Can I do that on the PS3? No (unless you want to add the cost of a TV tuner and/or location free player, external usb DVD/Blu-ray burner, probably more HDD space and the necessary software).
My good friend is a musician, his home is like an aladdin's cave of digital instruments and devices, many connected to his high spec PC (with 2GB of ram and 500GB total HDD space), which forms the heart of his music setup, with all kinds of software from digital sampling and processing (hence the RAM and HDD space) to music composition tools, all built up over the years. Will a PS3 console replace his PC? No!
I could go on and on about the things we can do with our PCs that we couldn't do on the PS3, or couldn't do without extra cost. So if you're going to compare the two, you need to compare what you can do with both at all levels, not just web browsing and media functions.
For me, I can't wait for the PS3, I would even pay more if Sony asked for it, but I'm paying for a first rate console, not a second rate PC.
ok.... so PS3 and PC comparison is dumb right...hah?
are u an idiot....cuzz u know most "AVERAGE" gamer is a musician and "edit high demand movies...."....
When i did the comparison ..i was addressing it to the average gamers... like i said before.... it is lot cheaper to get PS3 + PC (with TV tuner if u need one so badly)...
and
#18... use basic knowledge before posting...(i'm not trying to be negative ... but u force me to)
yeah... u went to NEW egg...
you are missing HDD and CAse...PSU ....and other things that comes with PS3....your price is incorrect since inorder to built a "WORKING" PS3 PC box....u need to spend more than that....
Again... i'm not talking about the average joe.. i'm addressing the comparison to the gamers....(again sorry for the spelling)
"I can't wait for the PS3, I would even pay more if Sony asked for it"
Happy to pay more? Hmmm.... ok, but I think you're in the minority. ;)
"...but I'm paying for a first rate console, not a second rate PC."
Ouch! lol! A bit harsh, but true. ;)
I notice some people here comparing the cost of the PS3 to the PC, but the PS3 is not a PC replacement, and therefore I doubt those comparing the prices will be getting rid of their PCs once the PS3 arrives.
I don't seem to recall PS34ME insulting you or calling you names 'some person', he disagreed with you, that's all. Try responding with the same level of respect he showed you. Ok?
And you do realise that #18 was trying to support your arguement don't you? You know, the guy you also insulted by saying he should "use basic knowledge before posting".
Anyway, you're not going to like this but... I'm inclined to agree with PS34ME or this point. I know you say you're talking about the average gamer, but you never made that clear in post #2. But just the same, I doubt the average gamer is going to rush out to buy a launch PS3 at it's current price, unlike the hardcore gamers. As the price drops, the average gamers will be purchasing the console in greater numbers.
Finally, I repeat the point I made in #32, I doubt anyone here (including the AVERAGE gamer) is going to get rid of their PCs once the PS3 arrives. Sure they may perform some tasks on their PS3 that they do on their PC, but it's not going to be enough to replace their PC altogether.
"#18... use basic knowledge before posting...you are missing HDD and CAse...PSU ....and other things that comes with PS3....your price is incorrect since inorder to built a "WORKING" PS3 PC box....u need to spend more than that...."
Perhaps you missed the last sentence in his post, where says "However, this is a total for base components and doesn't take a lot of the small things into account."
To all the people who are saying that you're getting "bang for your buck" because the PS3 is essentially a PC:
Are YOU going to replace your PC with your PS3?
Annie body, thanks, I could not have said it any better myself.
About the PS3 price. I guess I'm willing to pay more because I had already prepared myself for a price of up to $700. So I guess anything less was a bonus for me. :)
What really kills me about this "but look what you get with it argument" is the comments developers and gamers used to say about the original Xbox when it was first release. How it was going to turn console gaming into PC gaming. Now everyone is praising Sony for attempting to do just that.
My guess is that if you have $600 to spend on a PS3, you already have a PC. How likely is it that you are going to use the PC functionality of the PS3. Are you going to actually buy the keyboard and mouse to go along with it as well? And how long before you start browsing the web with Sony's browser before you find all the flaws (embedded media, page formatting issues, etc.) in it and revert back to your PC. Not to mention all of the other things that your PC (be it Windows or Mac) can do out of the box that you can be sure the PS3 cannot.
When it comes down to it, no matter how Sony markets it, the PS3 is a game console that can play Blu-Ray movies. Anything else it does is going to be about as useful as WebTV. What ever happened to WebTV? Hmmm...
Annie body wrote: "I notice some people here comparing the cost of the PS3 to the PC, but the PS3 is not a PC replacement, and therefore I doubt those comparing the prices will be getting rid of their PCs once the PS3 arrives."
Nameless wrote: "To all the people who are saying that you're getting "bang for your buck" because the PS3 is essentially a PC: Are YOU going to replace your PC with your PS3?"
That's what I've been trying to say. If you're going to compare the PS3 to the PC, then the PS3 does give more bang for the buck as a GAMES machine, but that has ALWAYS been true for consoles. However, the PC is an incredibly flexible and versatile machine and therefore will do far more than the PS3 will ever do as a computer. So it's pointless to compare the two in this way since the PS3 is not a PC replacement.
So I have to ask - 'some person', Dan, Figboy and others, do you really plan to get rid of your PCs once you have a PS3? (even if you say yes, I doubt it ;)).
Short, effective. That's what I try to go for.
And aside from that, that kind of inquiry really gets people to HONESTLY question themselves.
i already got a ps2, why would i wanna pay around $500 for a graphics upgrade.
No, I don't intend to get rid of my PC. But you're missing the bigger picture. For everyone that has a PC there is someone that doesn't. Consoles have reached the point where they have "added value." The PS2 had a DVD player, so did the XBox but the main function was a game console.
Now the follow-ups to both of these systems offer even more. The PS3 has a Blu-ray player, etc, etc, etc you get the idea. Most important though is that web browser. Honestly, you'd be amazed how many people don't have a computer with the internet, if Sony plays this right they have a lot of added value.
When you get down to it, anyone that wants to play games like the PS3 will isn't going to be able to do that with a $600 PC.
Why would they buy a $600 game console as their PC when they can buy a bundled (monitor, keyboard, mouse, software, etc.) PC for $300 or $400 dollars.
My guess is that the person that does not have at least a basic PC at this point would not be able to afford a PS3. And if anything, this is exactly the type of person that could do better with all that the PS3 offers without paying the Blu-Ray tax (i.e. if they don't have a PC, it is highly unlikely they have an HDTV).
"No, I don't intend to get rid of my PC."
Exactly, since the PS3 is not a replacement for your PC, which is why I disagree with those comparing the prices of both as if they were the same.
"But you're missing the bigger picture. For everyone that has a PC there is someone that doesn't...."
I'm aware of that, but if someone doesn't have a PC, or they're in a household without a PC, then I doubt they're thinking of buying a PS3 as their first computer.
"Honestly, you'd be amazed how many people don't have a computer with the internet, if Sony plays this right they have a lot of added value."
Except, they'll have to then pay to connect it to the internet. I really don't see many people who have no computer and no internet access, deciding to purchase a PS3 instead of a PC as their first computer.
In future, the vast majority of gamers with a PS3 connected to the internet will also have a PC, and will not be getting rid of it.
So yes, consoles have more 'added value' now, but they are no more PCs than gaming PCs are consoles.
"When you get down to it, anyone that wants to play games like the PS3 will isn't going to be able to do that with a $600 PC."
Correct, and by that same arguement, anyone that wants the full functionality of a computer are not going to be able to do that with a $600 console. ;)
You know PS34ME, we really are on the same side of an argument. I never wanted to replace my PC, never said the PS3 was a PC and the only reason prices were brought up was because someone else made a component list and I was contributing. I think it's very cool that consoles are expanding. That being said, I'm moving on to another topic.
Ok, it's just that by making that contribution without explaining your own point of view, it appeared you were in support of the arguement being made.
Anyway, thanks for explaining. :)
WHAT IS THE POINT OF ARGUING!!!!
one guy says xbox is better the other ps3, some random dude comes in and says wii will kick ass (lol). if you think that the system is great then get it.
any ways i think that the xbox fanboys are having the moment of fame. because of either 2 reasons, that:
1) they know and have played the ps3 and wii and they know that it sucks in everything compared to the xbox 360 or
2) they know that the ps3 or wii will kick their behinds all the way to halo planet, so they are enjoying them selves now. and i say go for it, cause sooner or later ps3 or wii will get ya.
on a personal level. i dont care i have an xbox 360 (not a fanboy at all, even if i was i would quit, lets just say ill be getting my 5th purolator delivery from MS on friday) and ill get wii and ps3. but hay, for now ill wait and when all next gen consoles come out, then start saying xbox 360 this ps3 that, oh wii can do this you cant.
That's all good and well Busta, but this wasn't about the 360 and the PS3. Most of the discussion here was regarding the cost of the PS3 compared to the PC, not whether one system sucks and the other one rules. :|
Wii will kick ass *****ah
u pple just sad because u know this is gonna be the last sony console. the ps3 can... do.. err... the xbox 360 can... they got good graphics.
it will break sony..fanboy bash me..chaos
Ok im a major sony fan, but not a fanboy lol. Anyway Its clear that the nintendo wii has won the console wars, whereas the battle is between the xbox360 and the PS3. Now Japan is a major sony fan country and its clear no matter what the price, all japanese will probabaly buy a PS3 (not a xbox360 as sales in Japan are crap lol). The true desider it between America and England. As both these countries (I am english lol) are torn in two between the xbox360 and the PS3. Now sure the price may be high, but lets not forget the whole mess up microsoft made when they first brought out there console (the whole high price and bulky conosle and controler). Now sony of course will lower the price if the console isnt selling just like microsoft did. The PS3 won't break sony, it will porbabaly just cause damage to their stocks and shares for a few months (just like when the original xbox came out it affected microsoft shares). Sony will always make consoles and will rectify there mistakes with the PS4. The only reason that sega was broke was because you could play chipped games on their console without chipping it, i doubt sony will make a mistake like that. Sure sonys profit margin may be lower than average but over the years sony will obviously make this back. So can people stop doubting sony's loss and start seeing that this will be a good console. (btw sony has blu-ray intergrated, wheeras microsoft didn't tell xbox360 owners that they have to pay an extra £300 ($400) to buy a hd-dvd driver :))
(btw sony has blu-ray intergrated, wheeras microsoft didn't tell xbox360 owners that they have to pay an extra £300 ($400) to buy a hd-dvd driver :))
Actually, estimates put the price for the HD-DVD add-on at no more than $200, and it's for movies only, not games.
"btw sony has blu-ray intergrated, wheeras microsoft didn't tell xbox360 owners that they have to pay an extra £300 ($400) to buy a hd-dvd driver :)"
Actually, estimates put the price for the HD-DVD add-on at no more than $200, and it's for movies only, not games. It's £130 or below, and not £300!
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17034
ps3 f'ing sucks balls, omg, i cant believe the bull***** it is.
Ill tell u that ps3 is worth it ... but im just sayin that xbox fanboys think that that xbox is gonna be first cause it has like a year heads up. to me though the xbox had a year of beta testing ... cause its F#&ked up pretty bad from the ring of death to other things ... ps3 is well worth the $600 .... dont care what ppl say ... and if you think about it what can a pc do that ps3 cant? peace
I'll ignore the XBox comments because this wasn't about the XBox. So I'll focus on your last comment instead...
"and if you think about it what can a pc do that ps3 cant? peace"
Have a look at my answer in #30, and I could add dozens more, but why bother. ;)
Chill people. It is not serious. Also for you people say just get the $499 one, there is a problem with that. The purpose of blu-ray is to look at 1080P. Since there is no HDMI in this one you are just left with an expensive dvd player. I would have rather they made that one with out the blu-ray even I know that would defeat the purpose of what Sony is trying to do. Which is basically to push their format.
Personally I hope Blu-ray and HD-Dvd fails. It is not needed for movies and definitely not for games.
Developers these days realize that most people don't want to play a 50 + hr game.
Also when I buy a DVD unless it has some funny bloopers on it I just watch the movie I don't care about everything else. Besides what are the movie producers going to give you with it except crap that you more then likely will not look at.