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So you're one big "Titanic" fan. And by "Titanic", I mean the movie by James Cameron with Kate Winslet, Leonardo DiCaprio and the big, big boat that unfortunately went *glurg glurg* (that's supposed to be the sound of a boat sinking).Anyway, back to the "story". So you're a "Titanic" fan, and it has been your habit to check out the movie daily. Of course, playing a DVD over and over and over (ok, you get the point) will lead to disc scratches, rendering your prized disc unreadable by some DVD-playing gadgets.
Well, Ben Kuchera from Ars Technica has found out that while the Xbox 360 "chokes" on scratched discs, it seems that the PS3 doesn't. He tried out a Christmas DVD with his kid a couple of days ago, only to find out that the Xbox 360 has rejected it. Meanwhile, it played quite well on the PS3. He tested it with other scratched discs too, and they turned out fine. Cool, huh?
Via Ars Technica
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o_O; what can't it do???
On blu-ray there is a small coating on the bottom. Even if the coating is scratched, the disc can still be read. sony knew what they were doing when they chose blu-ray.
Just to correct the above poster, he was using his own family DVD not a Blu-Ray disc.
so what you want a cookie?
no this is the reason why its becuase the blur ray reaader is so close to the surface of the disc thats wye and scratches are only the scratches on the protection not th acutal data there for data is not harmed just refrachtered by light and thats were the blu ray comes in it is closer to the disc so the refratcher is less
It can't be worth $600-1200.
ps3 is so much better than x360!
My computer's DVD drive plays badly scratched discs that most things wont and it's about 6 year old...
PS2 was sold for $550 and up in Europe during it's launch, so yes, PS3 is very much worth $600. It's stuill a lot of money though.
360 destroys your disc. Ps3 saves your disc. Totally worth the extra $100 for that feature alone.
You made me laugh there for a second
Why do articles on QJ.net get more and more pointless. Maybe you should try posting an article on how the PS3 Power Light looks better than the 360's.....
My x360 freezes my GoW and Need for speed mainly and sometimes Fight Night and sometimes 99 nights and...well you get the point. All are in perfect condition and i clean the lens all the time. And i dont know how its possible but it cracked my Enchanted Arms. Its a very small crack that you have to look closely but its ruined now and no i never took it out of the system. I dont know if any of you guys have experienced this problem, but i dont want to buy any more x360 games just to ruin them. Now I'm just waiting to get my PS3
Xbox 360 Sucks ass big time
lol
In the end though, it's the library of PS3 games that will stifle the 360. This awesome features only make the PS3 that much more of a gem to own.
PS3 has it's lens closer to the disc. It is more likely to scratch the disc and less tolerant of bumps, falls, etc. PS3's blu ray drive is slower than the XBOX's dual layer DVD drive. PS3 is $200 more unless you're going from premium to basic. Lenses get dirty over time and I would not call this reliable information.
man, that is FREAKIN' GOOD NEWS!!!!!!! PS3 PWNS!!!!!!!
Sometimes the XBOX 360 has hard drive caching errors in certain games that use the hard drive to speed loading times. It does that very occasionally in Oblivion. If DVDs skip or loading takes forever then that would be a drive issue.
You forgot that the coating is so hard it can scratch the lens if they colide. I think it was an engineer at Toshiba that said that.
because when next year the XBOX 360 has triple as many games out as PS3 you will need it.
llook at him hes so mad watta xbot fanboy Quote with expressions : sniif sniff ull see next year xbox waill have 3 times morwe games (crying) ull see ( naruto Bielive it !!!!!!!!!!!!!! : (
But if this is true, it's pretty rad
hahahaha, funny, what does that make the ps3?
what were you guy talking about again lol
someone from Microsoft that said that...
better than 360?
nobody wants you here. You're the one who's making things up. HighPS3 was actually right. 360s have been known to scratch and eventually destroy discs on occasion. My friend's 360 actually destroyed his copy of DOA4 so badly that there was no readable part left on it. He ended up taking back the game and the system. About the dirty lenses, I see no relation to the previous comment, so why don't YOU stop pulling things out of your ass?
dude, hate to break it to you, but xbox will NEVER have as many games out as playstation. Lets say we take the last three years of PS game making out of the picture. there would still be more PS games out than 360 will have in a year from now. Think before you speak.
sony bots at their best. look at you, for once you hear something positive about a PS3 you go all crazy. Plus its not even confirmed. YOU CAN'T BASE ANYTHING OFF OF ONE SYSTEM. maybe his dvd drive is busted...... ever thought of that sony *****s would say something like this "Hmmmm.... Maybe...Nah...who cares......we just saw something that sony is better at than the 360 so we decided to join in, i mean we don't even know what is going on because we're all idiots and wasted 0 for a system that will become a true paperwight"
WII IS MY MASTER
man Mr. "Common Sense" is there any limit to your slander
Um yea the 360 goes to town on any disc if the console is bumpped or anything. At the gamestop I work at we get lots of attempts at returns where people put "the ring" on a 360 disc. Also Mr. Common Slander is at it again.
First off you xbots show up in all the PS3 news threads posting your bashing, and then you attack our good news too. You just can't let the Sony people be can you. That is why you are a jerk.
www.vwkiller1412.blogspot.com
... read the article again
i have an article that i want to write....about which system [the xbox360 or the ps3] will have faster loadtimes..and which system will have better utilization of RAM... but...this is news Qj brought is no real news....so i,l save it when some real news comw in.
Then go and play with your WII and let the adult talk a little more
YES X360 is a great conlose...... for me to poop on
Xbot's will check PS3 news more often than any PS3bot :) because they afraid that poor X360 system will end up like Deamcast so they trow :D poop on any positive news on PS3. Its a normal self defence mechanism :P
the dvd rom in xbox 360 may be 12x but a 2x bluray reading speed is still quicker. 12x dvd rom is like 5.5 megabytes a second a 2x bluray read is about 48 megabytes a second MR COMMON SENSE.
Actually whilst the minimum read time of a 12x DVD Drive is slightly slower than the read time of a 2x Blu-Ray Drive at about 8MBps. The maximum read speed of a 12x DVD Drive is approx double that at about 16.5MBps. I don't know how much of a disc is read at full speed though as it apparently reads faster towards the outside of the DVD.
I disspel BS. If you like to believe the BS you're told go ahead. XBOX 360 is out one year, and lenses can get dirtier over time in dusty environments. If he bought a new console of each and tested them, that would be more credible. The oldest a PS3 can be is one month. It's like comparing a new car to one that's a year old. Highps3 made up BS. He pulled it out of his ass. Knock your PS3 on the floor with a disc inside and see if it gets scratched. The XBOX drive is faster and game reviewers comment on how much faster the XBOX loads games. You dumbf*cks have no evidence to support your claims. I will never leave because who will stop somebody from saying something they can't prove?
More unwarrented $ony propoganda
Read game reviews regarding loading times, dumbf*ck
I check PS3 news because of my two favorite things. Pissing people off and proving them wrong. While this article COULD be true it can't be proven and it's just some guy writing. If a reputable company or site without special interests did it I would belive it. Somebody says XBOX 360 destroys disks while PS3 saves them with no evidence and you all believe him and defend them. $ony could say the PS3 will get you a better job, improve your relationships, and solve your problems and you would believe it. It's like $ony started a religion or something. I just set the record straight. Deal with it I'm here to stay.
You're supposed to remove the disc if the console is moved. Cleaning the lens is irrelevant to cracking. You never took the game out but you know other games freeze? If any optical drive is badly defective, it will scratch the disc, not crack it. A very small crack as you claim does not necessarily ruin it. Notice how he ends with now I'm waiting for a PS3? Pathetic. Get your PS3, play it, and shut the f*ck up if that's what you prefer.
I wonder if the 360's HD-DVD drive can read that same disc the ps3 can and the 360's regular dvd drive cant? That would be an interesting test and a more appropriate comparison. I don't understand why this even matters and why people are getting their panties in a bunch, just don't scratch your discs and you wont have to worry about it.
http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=447657 keep reading about half way down people are talking about how 108 megabit bluray drives are in the works supposedly 2x still i think.
Alright lets point out the facts, sense people obviously don't understand speculations on a system compared to being fanboys. The 360 has alot going for it, a year's worth of momentum and a $450 price tag compared to the whopping $600 PS3. It has had a year to work with software developers to throw out some impressive games. It has also dealed with many developers to rob the PS3 of its exclusive titles, which so far, only consist of Resistance: Fall of Man. It has Halo 3 comming for it, which won't live up to the hype, but WILL supply Microsoft with a nice wad of cash due to Halo fans. And it has Gears of War, which I have to say is the all-time killer app so far. But lets look at the bad side. First off, the system design itself is flawed. The disk tray is flimsy, the bulk of it does not bode well with the ugly look, and the external power brick when blown, will cost you $80 if you don't want to wait a month for Microsoft to even look at it. Moving the 360 AT ALL while a disk is in it will cause the "High-Speed" laser to open up shop on whatever you might have put in the XBOX. Friends of mine have lost $100's of dollars just because their 360 was knocked over. This is bad, becuase the overheating is SO BAD, that you HAVE to have the system standing up. Its a lose lose situation. The menu system is flawed, and one of my biggest pet peeves is the abillity to be user friendly, which the 360 is not. User profiles and the complexity of them prevent someone from using 2 profiles on a competitive game with ease. The wireless internet adapter, running about $100, will take a couple of hours with tech support to get up and running. So you have to blow $100 and a few hours just to enjoy your paid XBOX LIVE account. Doesn't sound like a good deal to me. Now let's check out the PS3. It boasts Blu-Ray compatability (which I really don't think looks much better then a regular DVD). It boasts some Super-Tech Cell processor. I've seen pictures of it, and what looks like a chip, apparently plays like a god. It holds a bar-code translating to $600 out of your pocket. Is it worth it? Hell yes. $150 more then a 360 is going to get you alot more bang for your buck. First of all, you have in your posession, the most beautiful of the next-generation consoles. I believe cosmetics is a big thing when it comes to pride in a console. The XBOX was hideous, so having a big ugly black/green box in my room was a curse. The 360 with his changeable faceplates, doesn't make up for the fact that it is an oblong system. It's too top-heavy to maintain a good posture while upright. It's colors seem a little off. The PSP-Black of the PS3 is untouchable when it comes to looks. Sure, you'll notice your dust and fingerprints, but all of that can easily be manipulated with a little bit of elbow grease. Not only does this system looks better, it handles better. The minute I plugged it in, it took all of 20 minutes to register, update, and get familiar with the menu. Having a PSP makes navigation alot easier, but anybody can pick up the control and adjust. The backgrounds changing color depending on the time of day is a brilliant idea. The photo album tool is a nice thing to show off to the 360 fans, who have yet to show me anything significant in multi-tasking their systems. The Media Reader hidden under the front of the system is another plus, giving me the ability to easily slide in my Sandisk from my PSP and copy every picture and song right onto my 60-Gig hardrive. I dragged and dropped just about every video I had on my computer, and every single one played back on the PS3 in DIVX quality. This was a deffidant plus for me. Not only that, but after remote-linking my PSP to my PS3 and streaming my hardrive contents onto my little man, I was impressed. Although the quality was downplayed, it was cool knowing that I was know remote-controlling my playstation. And getting back to the main idea, disk quality. I have jostled my PS3 while playing a D
And getting back to the main idea, disk quality. I have jostled my PS3 while playing a DVD, not a single scratch nor sound. I even tilted it from upright to prone, and nothing happened. The movie didn't even skip. The minute you even touch a 360 while a disk is loading, you will find yourself a nice new copy of Halo. On the back of your CD, that is. There is nobody to blame but Microsoft, for failing to secure a CD. It has nothing to do with a high-powered lense or CD-reading system. It's all about the fact that your DVD is able to jump around while reading. There is no security, and there is nothing you can do but waste time trying to explain and replace your tore-up game. Another big thing for me was the built-in wireless, and how easy it was to setup. All it took was a firmware update, and I was checking my Myspace with ease. I think its impressive, and I also like the fact that you can literally use your PS3 as a computer, with the option of partitioning 10gb of your hardrive towards a LINUX OS. All you'd need is a mouse and keyboard, and you can get your homework done on the same system you play your games on. Sure it won't run as fast, but its the simple things in life that can bring a smile to your face. Which brings me to my next matter at hand. Looking at the PS3 for what it is. It is a year behind the 360, yet its already out-sold it in Japan. In 1 month, Sony's made more in Japan in 1 year then Microsoft. What many people don't understand, is that Sony is a powerhouse. Although they most deffidently have not on this system, they can afford to botch a system. The PSP was a near-fatal incident, but as you can see, it has bounced back. Sure, it won't be as dominant in the hand-held market as the DS, but it may as well be placed in its own league. What I'm saying is that the PS3 cannot fail. There are too many things it can be, for it to be a failure. Is it better then the 360 and the WII? Tech-capably, yes. Are the games better? No. Give them a year? Perhaps. A year head-start is big, based on the PS2-XBOX ordeal back in 2000. But Sony has life-time partners. Squarenix might jump on the DS, WII and 360, but it won't use half of its ability unless its with Sony. You'll see when FFVII: Crisis Core is a better handheld RPG then FFIII on DS. It's the facts of life people. So sit and bable as much as you want about how great the 360 is compared to the PS3. But look at the facts before you tell any PS3 owner that they've "wasted their money". You have probably spent more then $600 buying things for the 360 that equal up to the PS3 out-of-box. You've probably already lost a game or two thanks to Microsoft's "super lense". If you got it at launch, you probably made the mistake of wasting even more money, buying all the ports and bad games that came with the 360. Not one decent game. PS3 on the other hand, had Resistance as its answer. Not bad for standing up to Gears of War, 3 years in the making compared to a sleeper launch title. And finally, cosmetics. If you stand my PS3 next to your 360, you will probably cry. You have an ugly system. That is all.
This is the PS3 section of QJ. That means...if you don't have one, please leave it. If you're in denial of the fact that you want it SO bad, and you have your 360, then please don't bother to post crap based on the fact that you need to feel better because you don't have what you're talking crap about. In other words... If you hate it, talk crap about it at 360.qj.net.
I thought you can buy an xbox 360 for $399 and even get a $100 rebate from microcenter if you are lucky to have one near you. Where did $450 come from?
i think i saw one person reply on-topic and intelligently. they said their Xyr old dvd drive reads scratched discs well. i noticed scratched cds read better in dvd drives, and i would expect dvds to do the same in both hd-dvd and bluray drives. did anyone stop to think why? i suspect the wavelength of the laser. i think it reads the data better than the longer wavelength cd/dvd drives. to address the rest of you, slot loading drives are naturally better drives for disc shock protection. have you ever seen a tray style drive in a car? i prefer tray/lid drives because you don't have to disassemble the drive to get a disc out if it busts. besides you are supposed to be playing the games, not seeing how idiot proof your machine is. part of the problem today is people expect to be able to do whatever stupid thing they want and have little to no consequences.
I hope your not saying 360s don't put "the ring" on games if moved during it spinning cause thats been proven. Also you mention load times and it's already been shown that only cross platform games suffer from load times mostly due to lazy devs. You can be sure of this because of games like Resistance, Genji, and Ridge Racer which have really quick load times (Genji has 4 second load times with HDD installation). Saying 360 has faster load times is just a nice way to spin a few articles in your favor about a few games.
Blu-ray drives currently in production can transfer approximately 36 Mbit/s (54 Mbit/s for BD-ROM), but 2x speed prototypes with a 108 Mbit/s transfer rate are in development. Published Blu-ray numbers are shown in megaBITS (Mb), not megaBYTES (MB). As such a 2X Bluray drive has a data transfer rate of 13.5MB per second, while a 12X DVD drive has a data transfer rate of 16.62MB per second. Don't be fooled by the subtle switching of MB and Mb. This is done for marketing reasons, as it produces a higher number to wow the consumer. Blu-ray drives such as the the 2X drive that is supposed to end up in the PS3 do not have equal, much less superior, transfer rates to the 12X drive in the XBOX 360. Now the question is how big an advantage does 3.12MB per second for the 360 drive give?
he said "in the end" as in later on in the consoles life. Nobdy here is questioning that a launch console has less games than a console that has been out for a year. Yes PS3 will have a better library with more great games in different genres (just look at the anticipated titles for each console in the coming year). You really just bringing up irrelavent points to try and make your claims just... but it doesn't work that way.
"Common Sense" you are only talking about cross platform games which honestly don't count because it's been proven PS3 has small laod times with games like Genji have 4 second load times with HDD install help. So load times are an issue that is pointless to debate about and the PS3 and 360 are on even ground basically with it. Meaning what matters most next... storage space (point PS3).
People it is our savor Mr. Common Slander here to set all that is wrong right through instense skewing, slander, and lies. Honsetly you take any one thing and blow it out of proportion and attack the dumbest points that have already been disproven (your just to obstinate to let them go). You might want to go have a conversation with this guy who posts on here named "non fanboy" I think you guys would get along.
You do not own an XBOX 360. It is obvious. The disk tray is not any flimsier than a computer drive, or even a PS2 drive. Don't knock it around when it's open. The power brick is seperate and can be easily replaced unlike the PS3. Overheating is not so bad and the PS3 makes just as much heat. Both systems will overheat if not placed in a ventilated cabinet. What is complex about the menu or setting up the network adaptor? You must be retarded if you can't figure that one out as it is PLUG AND PLAY. The menu could not be simpler and only retarded folk have a problem with it. Of course blu ray looks better, it's HIGH DEFINITION. It does not look any better than HD-DVD. Apperarance is an opinion and is irrelevant. It took 20 minutes to register a PS3? My XBOX 360 was playing games in 5 minutes. I've heard enough BS from you and it's turning into a full time job disspeling all lies from pathetic fanboys. The fact you NEED to make up sh*t to make your purchase seem wiser says something. If you like it fine but DO NOT MAKE UP BS. You sound like a f*cking sony rep.
Is actually a hell of alot louder than the ps3 is. While this get's less annoying after a while when I watching a movie I prefer my ps3 over my 360. Also, the 360 does in fact gets alot warmer than the ps3, or at least mine does. Also anyone who thinks the 360 dashboard is hard to navigate should seriously consider psychological help or suicide.
The only people who have a problem with the XBOX 360 is people who treat it like crap. If you shake it around or drop it while it's playing a disc, damage may occur. Dropping the disc itself can scratch it. If you put it in a sealed cabinet for 6 hours, it will overheat. It's the same with every system. I don't believe some guy with some company I've never heard of saying the PS3 plays scratched discs better. Hearsay. Show me proof this was an unbiased comparison.
if 360 has more games.....its probably 90% FPS games
Well atleast you've dropped your load time argument, and its a garuntee that if you move the 360 from horizontal to vertical or vise virsa it will put a deep ring scratch in the disc. With minor shaked and stuff it is also quite likely. I never said this news was credible, I'm just trying to say neither are you.
You gave the maximum read speed for the 360 DVD drive which only occurs at the outter most rings on the DVD which is not done for a very long time. The average read speed is much lower. If you want to talk about believing propaganda your it.
Blu ray and DVDs are both round and run faster on the outside. Think about it. Do you think the blu ray people would advertise the slower speed? What's your counter argument? Nuh uh the discs are square?
That was nothing but opinions, hearsay, and lies. I like venturing into enemy territory. I used to want a PS3. I thought it was the ultimate console when it was introduced at E3. Delays, features cut out, and hype that doesn't match what you're getting made me get a XBOX 360. I have 2 PSPs and 2 PS2s. PS2 was great and the PSP is good except what sony has done with it since it came out. That is, almost NOTHING except more security for sony. Sony's recent legal actions against Lik Sang, childish trash talking about the XBOX 360, and egotistical attitude made me never want to support their products again. I do not want a PS3 ever and I am very happy with my XBOX 360. It does everything I want a game console to do and more at an affordable price. I have many more games to choose from and a much better online gaming system. The controllers work great, no interference, rumble feature, and excellent battery life with replacable batteries. I have never had any lockups, overheating, or disc read errors. I take care of my electronics and don't trash them then complain if they break.
"You're supposed to remove the disc if the console is moved. Cleaning the lens is irrelevant to cracking. You never took the game out but you know other games freeze? If any optical drive is badly defective, it will scratch the disc, not crack it. A very small crack as you claim does not necessarily ruin it. Notice how he ends with now I'm waiting for a PS3? Pathetic. Get your PS3, play it, and shut the f*ck up if that's what you prefer" Spoken like a true xbox fan boy. Let me explain what happened so your dumb a** could understand. I NEVER move the x360 around and I clean the lens every week. I like to take care of my x360 since thats my only console right now cause my xbox/ps2 dont work anymore(early models) and sold my gamecube(they had crappy games during the time). I was playing enchanted arms at night beat the fire devil golem and saved. Went to work the next day came back turned it on and it never worked again. I checked if other games worked and they did. check the disk and there were two scratch smears on the disk that were never there before. They werent very deep so i cleaned the disk and it still didnt work. I went to xbox support site and gave me suggestions that didnt work. One of them was to remove the game profiles from the hard drive. Still didnt work. I finally saw a tiny tiny scratch in the beginning of the cd in the center and i was able to feel the crack on the top of the disk very very slightly. So I bought a $40 cd/dvd fixer and tried it about 4 times and never worked. End of story. Its amazing that i even have to explain myself in such detail cause you're too ignorant to face the truth. Oh yeah, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings little boy
MR. COMMONSENSE, GO FUC K YOURSELF YOU BITC H ASS MOTHER FUC KER
Real mature there. I am a mother fu*ker, although it's your mother I'm fu*king.
Mr. Common Sense is an 'xbot' by far. Have you heard the PS3 vs. the 360, the 360 makes alot of sound, PS3 is virtually quiet. The PSU in the PS3 is one like a computer would have, and I've had a computer that has had a functioning PSU for 7 years now. Blu-Ray has enough capacity for 1080p, HDDVD is only capable of 1080i and 720p. It looks alot better than HD-DVD. And to close, I have 3 friends who have a 360, some of the games are super fun, but the 360 is a POS. My friend has had his for about a year and the thing TOTALLY DESTROYED one of his DVD's. He moved his 360 and turned it on, the laser was all messed up, would not read, and one of his DVD's got all scratched up. You're a fanboy.. dumba*s.
How about you grow up? 'although it's your mother I'm fu*king'? That's worse than him.
it is true it is true
I like carrot cake!
There is no real reason why your drive should scratch ur disks it's probably just broken. And I was wondering if the ps3 is still quieter than the xbox 360 even when reading dual layer dvds( if it can) because the main reason the xbox 360 is so loud is the dvd drive. And the main reason why ps2 had so many games is because there were so many of them ou there so it wass more profitable for developpers, but now with the 360 with more consoles on the market i think it will be interesting.
Do some research before you start making insults because they using different reading mechanisms. The one the DVD uses causes its read speeds to varry much more than the one the BD uses. Maybe if you spoke things that were 95% researched like you said on another news post, you wouldn't be saying this right now.
As much as you like to say you aren't... you still are. PSP has only gotten better in recent months btw if you haven't payed close attention to it. They have been having more good titles come out than ever before. PSP is stronger than it has ever been. Also you complain about opinions, hearsay, and lies when it's all you seem to speak. Therefore I think you should really just stay off these news threads because all you do is post filth.
realy... if your going to dis sony or ps3 take it to where people would praise you for it. in my opinion, the xbox 360 does have great games (gears of war, elder scrolls, dead or alive, and dead rising) and i like certain parts of there online community. BUT if u want to have many options with gameing, choose a ps3. "360 lets u buy movies, videos, and shows brand new?! sweet!"...ya...if u update your ps3 fairly well and go online, u could get a good few of those shows and movies off youtube and other sites. sony has been wide on game gendres (rpg, first person shooters, sports ect.) yet microsoft doesnt show that wideness like sony with too many shooters and no great rpg or adventure. i give credit where credit is due: microsoft: good online gameplay, great (if u like first person shooters), great graphics but a little too bright for me, obilivion!!! (but thank goodness it comes out for ps3, that game almost made me do a 360) sony: big jump but not a perfect land, ok line up of games, improved online, www (hey my computer sux and i want to play mugen), controller (keeping the controller design helps u adapt to the system better) here is a real world comparasion in the end if ur stuck: sony= jews microsoft= muslims nintendo=bush?
The XBOX 360 has faster loading times also. About 3.5 Megabytes per second faster.
This Xbot BS is really stupid. It's not funny or even offensive, it's just stupid. The XBOX 360 is noisier, but that's because it's smaller and has smaller fans. Is that really important? I couldn't give a rat's ass about slightly more fan noise. HD-DVD also can output at 1080p and so can the XBOX 360. You just have to use a VGA cable. HD-DVD even can hold the same length movie as blu ray because it uses better compression. Again, if you treat your console like sh*t, things can break. A regular DVD player will scratch a disc if you move it around while playing too. A PS2 also will destroy a disc if moved while playing. That I know from experience. Only dumbasses do sh*t like that and complain if something breaks. It's common sense which is what I'm all about. Let's see somebody test a PS3 by knocking it around while playing.
This is, legitimatley, a debate on the Playstation 3 being a safer system for your CD's. If you really wish to give credit where it's due, let's look at brass facts. Microsoft - Regarding your comment on good online w/ first person shooters, what you're really saying is "XBOX LIVE is brilliant with Halo." Since that is really the only game making XBOX Live so dependable, I say there isn't much else to say regarding online play. Sony - As for their online, it's been out a month, and every time I play Resistance, there is always 3 rooms with 40 people playing. That means, it takes a total of 3 whole minutes for me to load up, get online, and get into the fray with no problems. ________________________ Onto the next subject. Noise and over-heating. With my PS3, I don't need to stand it vertical in order for air-flow to be better. It just naturally is. I feel the exact same heat the moment the PS3 turns on, just as I do 3 hours later while I'm playing a game. It is consistent in keeping the temperature at a steady rate, and as for the noise, there is little to none. If I'm sitting next to the playstation while I play it, chances are, I'm not going to hear it blow anything. 360 on the other hand has short end of the stick in both of those cases. Over-heating is a documented and highly-commented problem that has yet to be adressed. I know several people that almost require their system to be upright in order to increase air-flow (if by a little). Bringing me back to the origininal problem, as an oblong system as its upright, it can be knocked over, and there goes your brand new game. As for noise, the XBOX is a monster. It's constantly "growling", and there is almost no reason to give movies a chance to play in your 360. The growling will take away from the experience. Next subject ______________________ SIXXAXIS controllers are much more comfortable in my hands then the Xbox controls. Not to mention the fact that its to the same design as the dual-shock, so its right at home in your hands. Does nobody remember how stupid the original Xbox control was? And how you had to go out and buy the J-spec control just so you aren't holding a big, dumb piece of plastic in your hands? Microsoft controls have NOTHING on sony controls. Bottom line. The SIXXAXIS is lighter, easier to hold, more comfortable, and more widely-accepted by the gaming world. Please get facts before you sit and say how good the 360's controller is. It's heavy. The replaceable battery (for $12) is fragile, and I've seen it break twice from a 2 foot fall. Although the rumble feature is still good, who really gives a crap about their hands shaking when a grenade goes off? Oh, of course. Halo fanboys. Please continue to amuse me by arguing facts, I like killing time behind the desk.
You can't disspel anything I say so who are you to accuse me of lying? Have you ever proven me wrong? If I realized I was wrong or sombody could correct a mistake with PROOF I would admit it. I think it's funny how you are always so angry at what I say. I don't need to prove anything as I know the XBOX 360 will have no problem coming up with lots of great games and plenty of support from MS. I strongly think there will be far more (and better) games because of ease of programming, better dealings with developers, and a one year headstart. What are you trying to prove? Posters like you are what makes this nerdy back and forth trash talking enjoyable. PSP has about 3 good games that are not half assed ports of better PS2 games. The PS1 emulator sony came out with is trash, as it requires you to buy a $500-$1200 PS3 just to load games! Another attempt by $ony to get you to buy crap you don't need. There's no reason at all you can't download them to a computer then upload to a PSP. That PSP camera has horrible quality and many cell phones can do more. The GPS may be a worthwhile accessory, but sony may screw that up too. It seems all you know about the XBOX 360 is what you want to believe. Have you even played one? Gears of War on XBOX live is the s*it!
It's called trash talking. If you can't keep up, don't step up.
Well even with that little bit of extra speed it doesn't really make a huge difference since right now any non-crossplatform PS3 game doesn't suffer from bad load times. So if they don't it proves nothing in those side by side comparisons which is just a case of lazy devs. You can talk speed till your blue in the face, but its a neglibile thing at this point since PS3 doesn't suffer from bad load times. Since that's true it's nicer to have 25 or 50GB instead of 9GB.
360 cannot display 1080p native though. PS3 can. If your into HD at all this means a lot to you.
He called me a nerd so I am vanquished. I prefer geek myself though. Anyway yes I'm quite informed and play on a 360 quite often since I do work at a gamestop and have to spend my time with all consoles. You do infact like you posted in another news thread GT was cancled to try and prove your point, which is a blatent lie. Skewed facts would be posting the maximum read speed on a DVD drive, which is how they get sucked to by bad DVD drives in the first place if you shop for them. PSP having just 3 good games is definately and understatment. Ports and those kind of games are still great fun to play I mean I love having Gitaroo Man with me on the go on PSP (it infact plays better on PSP cause its harder to have your thumb slip off its analog stick). If you could come up with some really great titles for 360 besides Mass Effect, Bioshock, Criminal Crackdown, Halo 3 I might listen to 360 being more than just a shooter consoles. Sure there are 2 japanese RPGs, but 2 games never made me buy a console. Don't mention programming unless your a programmer. Unless you completely understand the difficulty works for programming for a console there is no use in you saying it. It's like me talking about materials for rocket ships. Tallented teams like Insomniac have proven the PS3 can be programmed for well and that's all that matters. Also anyone who owns a PSP would most likely want to get a PS3. So it's not really something being forced on them it's just an incentive. Also the library of PS1 games out now isn't anything great so it's not forcing anyone just yet. Yes I have played GoW on and offline. I myself enjoy Resistance more because I think tweek shooters and better and I enjoy regular deathmatch mode with lots of people. If you enjoy small team based games go right on ahead and keep playing. The only thing I don't like about you is the fact you do spin facts. You do just hate on sony for the sake of hating on them, and your arrogant. Also the fact that you call Sony an evil company when your backing Microsoft is beyond me. Sony will give their console great support like they already are and do very well.
You ever heard that phrase before?
Your "comparison" is completely worthless. You do not mention a single advantage of the XBOX 360. You are debating far more than this article so I will counter. That is what an actual comparison is, say the good and bad of each console. All you do is bash the 360, praise the PS3, then bash the 360 some more. Most of your argumets are opinions like console appearance and a comfortable controller. Don't even bother comparing shooters or online. XBOX has always done this well and the PS3 can come close but never match it. My XBOX 360 has never overheated or had any errors and I bought it in March. If this friend you talk about really had one you would know this. It was limited to the inital batch and HAS BEEN FIXED LONG AGO. Being upright or standing does not affect cooling. If you feel heat coming out the back, the console is doing a good job removing heat. It is outside, not near the CPU and GPU. Physics, ever heard of it? You are lying because the PS3 makes a lot of heat also and you say you feel none after 3 hours. You complain about the original XBOX controller when it has gone through 2 redesigns since. If you can't hold a XBOX 360 controller comfortably you are a 3 foot tall midget that has never played a videogame. I'm suprised you can even figure out how to use a computer and the internet if you cannot use the XBOX 360 dashboard. Nor can you find a USB port and plug in a network adaptor which works automatically once it finds the wirless router's signal. That proves you don't know anything about an XBOX 360 or you're retarded, maybe both? The XBOX 360 controller weighs more because it has motors for force feedback. If you're too scrawny and weak to hold a 6 oz controller in your hands for a few hours, you need to work out. Also who's your "friend" who supposedly knocks his XBOX on the floor with a game inside, seals his system in the entertainment center with no ventilation, and can magically break the same controller battery twice? He must have a whole house full of broken electronics. You don't care about rumble just like I don't care about wii ripoff motion sensors, more opinions presented as fact. So far they haven't come up with anything useful to do with motion sensors. Your talk of getting facts is laughable because your whole argument is opinions. This "growling" you speak of is also BS. While the XBOX 360 makes more noise than the PS3. The only way you can hear it over a movie is if the volume is set at one bar. You must like those really quiet movies you wouldn't be able to hear even with no background noise. Admit it, you don't have friends, imaginary friends can't own an XBOX, you're too weak to lift 6 oz, and too retarded to figure out plug and play or what movies, photos, games, and system tabs mean in the media browser. Seriously you're making me laugh. You just made my day. Keep the BS flowing.
How many great games NEED 25 or 50gb? If you need LOTS of HD video or want to be able to play the Japanese version that's hard to access maybe. All that really means is that developers can be lazy about compression and wasteful of space. If there is a really HUGE game is it a big deal if it comes on 2 discs? Oh no I have to get up and change the disc after 20 hours of playing. That's the thing about the PS3, it doesn't make games better or more fun, it has meaningless incremental improvments to convince people it's better. So is this slander by your definition?
Ok Mr. Common Sense I will agree you bring up good points when your talking about the system you know and love, which I can respect. The motion sensing in PS3 though has been done well atleast in Resistance which uses it for some better gameplay mechanics both off and online. Also if your a big movie buff when there are things such as dramatic pauses in movies a semi-loud system can be a mood killer (this is hardly everyone though). Ambiance can be ruined for some but not very many. If you posted more like this and less Sony bashing I might actually think of you as a good guy.
First off the multiple discs are a hassle to devs because you either have to put the entire game world (a la FFVII) with just the new story on the other disc. Or you can go the way of having to make the user switch depending on where they go in the game world. For a dev to know that they won't have to worry about running into these kind of situations it makes the process easier. Also yes 50GB is a very extreme number. 9GB is also a very low number that is being pushed to its limit 1 year into the console life. I mean I don't think people will like playing future sports titles on multiple discs. PS3 games have already broken the 9GB mark, and it's going to become common place in the near future. That's why it's nice to have a larger storage medium even if it is at a number that will never be reached.
You amaze me. You really should get out more.. go out and get a girlfriend or something. Who gives a ***** about games.. you people really are some major social rejects.
i see this mistake is beign repeated again and again... i,d like everyone to know that..[you cannot play 1080p using vga in the near future because it is illegal...YOU NEED HDMI THAT IS HDCP COMPLAINT...(note:not just HDMI but also have to be HDCP compliant)] microsoft tricked its consumers with its hddvd addon...it has no hdmi and cant output 1080p...that means it will have to add an HDMI adapter(if its even possible) so that it can play 1080p....which means more confusion for the average consumer....and you have to buy 2 adapters...when you can simply buy a ps3 for 500$
LOL. I think its funny to see a microsoft fanboy of all people using the $ to spell sony.
Hi I am Mr.Common Sense and I ***** at every positive thing said about the PS3 because I have been getting really bad head aches ever since I hurt my neck when I tried to give myself a blow job.I have a s*****full of lead paint for breakfast every morning.mhhmmmh....................... paint........
This is incredible. I think that this makes a new low in internet history. Mr. Common Sense - why do you ever ask someone to talk facts? You display a complete lack of fact every single post that you ever make. You want to argue and cause a fuss. You're just like my sister - and although I love my family, she's a person that I could never be friends with. You can't stand to be wrong. When you're right, it doesn't even matter because you've already made an ass of yourself so many times that no one cares. You're rude, hateful, and arrogant. Since this thread of comments has strayed so far from its misunderstood origional topic I'm going to let it stray just a little further to tell you something that you may choose to ignore, but needs to be told to you. You're obviosuly young, and I don't mean that in a negative way at all, infact it's a good thing - it means you have plenty of time to change who you are. Life - it's short. It's not all peaches and cream. It's hard and it doesn't get easier so there are so many things that one should embrase - love is stronger than hate. If you continue to hate for the sake of hating - you will wake up alone and miserable one day. What I'm saying is what you will want to call hearsay, lies, untruths, and opinions. Sure, you can call these things what you want - but what I know is right - if you like it then great, if you don't, as i'm sure that you wont, it's not something that I, or anyone else here, cares about. Let's just take a little look at your tendencies. I think this is important. First of all, you have a need to be the center of attention. That's all right, it's good to have a desire to stand out. It's the method that you have resorted to that will fail you. What do you want to prove? Who are you trying to impress? Seriously, think for a second. Is this all for self gratification? If so, then you may have some serious problems to face pretty soon. It means that you, although not alone in this way of behaving, have made a decision, may or may not be concious, to hate as strongly as you can on people. Maybe your life has been hard, who's hassn't? You are continually isolating yourself from everyone else. Although you may think to yourself: "this is the internet, i'm annonymous and protected, this doesn't affect me" - Newsflash - it is. The more you push in this place to be different in destructive, uncreative ways - via bashing others, sitting on a high horse, and laughing at others being "wrong" in your mind - boosting your ego as you develope into your own individual - you're shaping your future. You will grow into a hater. It's a small word, hate. It's not a small thing to be the central source of hate in your life. You'll have enough curve balls as it is -- why block yourself into a corner alone? And remember, i'm not asking these questions for me, i'm asking them for you. Now, I know what to expect and all that non-sense. I am quite aware. If you want to second guess what I have to say - it's your beef, not mine. I would say that I couldn't care less, but that's obviously not true. Do you think that someone that didn't care would put this much effort into advice for a fellow man? Perhaps you want to just vent at some more electronic gaming debates - so i'll add my two cents in that department as well. Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo - don't think you don't know what they are - they are the corperate fiend. They want your money and in return they give you what you want. They aren't evil. They aren't trying to kill you. They are just doing what they think will work to make them money. Just like you do what you have to in order to make your dollars (or any other currency). My experience with Microsoft is a heated discussion all on it's own. I have had many bad dealings with them - but it doesn't make me disown a company - if I like a product I buy it. So, with that said, I have a 360 - no I never bought the origional xbox. Now, Sony. Oh, Sony. If you were a perso
Now, Sony. Oh, Sony. If you were a person how many times would your customers try to kill you. I have never seen a company with so many backstabbing consumers. They buy, buy, buy their products - but hate on them because they want more. I buy the products that I like, as I said before. I have purchased many Sony products, just as i've purchased many MS products. I am waiting for my PS3 as the shortage has stopped me from buying a system now. My brother owns one and we play frequently. I will buy a ps3. It doesn't mean that i'm not pissed at the fact that I am very good on my systems yet I have 2 broken ps2s sitting in the closet. That is due to a poor product - not abuse. I never thought that a system that was never moved (I could prove it with a picture of the dust print that was left after it broke lol) manages to break just 13 months later. But, you know what - It doesn't mean that I don't like my ps2 and flame other systems that compete. And, just for the Nintendo fans out there - I have bought a wii. Alright - let's go back to what this article is about. "Ps3 capable of playing scrated discs?" Hmmm.... let's see - does it play a scrated dvd that the 360 in question doesn't? Yes. What does it prove? Well, in fact this proves nothing. You are talking about one piece of isolated hardware versus another. The 360 in question could have been purchased on the exact same day as the ps3 in question. So, push that aside. What are the facts? There are NO CLAIMS that there are facts - not even an answer to the question proposed in the title of the post. So, logically it makes you wonder about the hardware. Stock for stock. The 360 has a DVD9 drive standard, they are not talking about the hd-dvd additional accessory as it isn't part of the senario. The ps3 has a Blu-Ray drive standard. Logically - and factually, the Blu-Ray drive uses different technology than the dvd9 drive. Quite different. Also, the truth of the laser lens being close in the ps3 in proximity to the surface of the dvd movie in question. The proximity could be the cause of its ability to read the dvd - but we can't prove it until we move the dvd9 laser to the same distance... but there is no reason to do that - people just want to know if the ps3 will read discs in worse condition than the x360. Blu-Ray, new technology with a stronger, more stable read ability - as proven in many tests, just do a search to see what I mean - has an advantage in reading the disc. That's is all I am saying. Read speed - irrevelant. Age of the systems - irrevelant. The truth behind all of this article? It is only an article to suggest that maybe there is a chance that a ps3 will read a slightly worse condition DVD than a x360 - no facts, no answers, only suggested possibilities. If you want to talk crap about one system or another - fine do that. I will, or wont, read it - as many other people will decide for themselves. However, I think that this paticular string of comments got well out of hand and misguided. People want to come and read some juicy rumors and some facts here on QJ. Only very few people come with the complete intention of fighting and causing crap. If you are of the minority that wants to cause crap - personally, I hope you realize your mistakes but know better. Live life and stop being so petty people.
Wonder if the PS3 can wipe my ass better than toilet paper....................
I have the 360, and I was initially impressed, mainly with Gears of War. But I have noticed some issues immediately (less than 24 hours). I bought a used copy of Fight Night 3 and I kept getting issues. There were some light scratches, but nothing too serious. Exchanged it and it works fine now. Gears of War (brand new game) just gave me an issue - after playing for an hour and going back to the dashboard, the game was not readable and I had to open the tray and install it again. The 360 started giving me problems less than 10 hours of use. As for the ps3, I'm an xbox fan boy. I love the 360 controller... but the ps3 is a sweet system. I haven't been able to play any games on it yet, since all of the launch titles suck, but the menu system, online browser, alone as impressed me. The only thing that upset me with the ps3 so far is that they only included standard a/v cables. wtf? O_O As for winning the game war, I think Sony will still be #1, Microsoft and Nintendo will be bridging the gap, and will be battling for #2.
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