why do people always defend ps3's price with "it has blu ray"...



dont you see? the set backs, the delays, the prices of the other bluray players are set that way just so you will buy a ps3. a bluray player should only cost around 600 but sony jacks the price up to 1000 just so it can justify ps3's price. blu ray players get delayed untill after ps3's launch..... so ps3 will be the only blu ray player on the market. the main thing that comes out of all the sony execs mouths is "its $400 cheaper than a bluray player".... seriosly... sony only sets blurays prices, setbacks, and all that other crap to cover for the ps3.

Good God. How much did Sony pay him to post an article saying this? Even though the PS2 launched a hundred bucks higher than the dreamcast, it was already dying. The Xbox is the actual only one that could beat the PS3 this generation. The Wii isnt directly competing so I'm not counting it.

Considering the technology I guess it is fair to say the PS3 is not expensive. Yes, Blu Ray is expensive. Every technology is expensive at launch. But quite frankly I'd rather wait a year for a technology to saturate the market so the price goes down. How many people do you know that buy technology the day it arrives at the market? How long did it take for DVDs to seriously penetrate households - and with DVDs there wasn't even a format war (like HDDVD and Blu Ray)



If I seriously considered buying a playstation I'd be put off if I know half of the price is because of bluray. I don't want to decide on HDDVD or BluRay yet. The price of the movies will decide which technology will succeed. I'd hate myself (and Sony) if I had a BluRay capable PS3 at home and a year after launch more movies come on HDDVD and cost half the price.



Besides: The PS3 is a mass product. The more units you build, the cheaper they get. I am definetly no expert but if I consider the number of PS2s sold and I think that everyone expects the PS3 to sell at least the same (in the first two years) then the price per unit is still a little high.

wow. that's brilliant marketing. Nintendo manages to get people fired up over technology that is 5 years old, and justifies it because of the wand controller. the Wii is a slighty upgraded Gamecube (which retail for $60 new), but Nintendo is going to charge $200 to $250 for it. The technology going into the wand isn't uber expensive. The costs for manufacturing a Wii is probably in the $100 range, possibly less.



Microsoft is probably the more reasonable of the two, because you are getting what you pay for: a quality game machine, priced at $400. if they had charged any more for the 360, it would have been a rip off.



Sony is charging a reasonable $600 for a product that is more than just a games machine. The PS3 is a high end computer. Look at the components going into the unit, and try to build a PC that is the equivilant. You're going to be running over $2000 for it. Sony is selling you a $2000 computer for $600. The best graphics cards on the market are about $600. Just for the *graphics* card. Not counting motherboards, Hard Drives, RAM, Monitor, casing, Network Adaptors, DVD Drive, Keyboards and Mice, which range from $15 to $100 *each*.



i knew back when i heard about $1000 Blu Ray devices that Sony were using them as a buffer for the PS3 price. a $600 PS3 with Blu Ray functionality doesn't sound too bad when compared to a $1000 stand alone Blu Ray machine. The early adopters may invest in a PS3(gamer or not), just to try out this new Blu Ray technology, and may or may not upgrade to a costly, stand alone player. i saw the PS3 Blu Ray technology in person at E3 this year, and i was highly impressed with it, actually. and i was pretty skeptical at first. it's loads better than the *****ty PS2 DVD player, with a crisp picture, and great sound (of course, the $2000 HD TV, and high end sound system didn't hurt the presentation either).



anyway, the point is, big businesses do what they have to make money. the Playstation brand is the only thing besides the Spider-Man franchise that brings in money for Sony, and is their primary focus, that's why they're melding all of their industries into one box (music, movies, games, computers). they're basically trying to consolodate their interests. If the PS3 sells as phenomenally as it's predecessors (and that's highly possible), i'm sure production of stand alone Blu Ray players will slow down. at least until the units become cheaper to produce. the $600 PS3, and $1000 Blu Ray players, are for early adopters *only.* by the fall of 2007, the PS3 will have dropped to a more affordable $500, and maybe people who can't afford one on launch day will stop *****ing.

But i'm still gonna buy a system that focuses on *games* not all this other stuff i dont need. Anyways, if/when there IS something worthwhile that comes out for PS3, i'll prolly just go to my cousins house and play it since he'll prolly get one. To me, going to someone elses house is a HUGE money saver if you only want to play a *few* games for such an expensive system. I'm not saying that the PS3 is gonna flop, not at all. In fact, it'll prolly STILL out sell the Wii and XBOX 360, but for "me", i'll prolly just leave the PS3 alone for a LONG while.

u guys have to understand this is a reasonable price. now a days everything is soo expensive and doesn't have the highest level of quality, now we have this sleek new system with all sorts of things inside of it for a good price. think about it, it could of been a higher price with less things so be happy with what you get!!!

Your right Corey Stewart! I think people should just get a job to get a playstation 3. I think the reason people talk so negative about the playstation 3 is because their jealous of its power and quality!! no offence to you pro gamers but you guys know its true and I say to you playstation 3 haters you shouldnt even be talking about the ps3 if its going to be negative news!!!

My opinion is that PS3 is only real next-gen system. Xbox360 is more of a 1.5 version of the original xbox, because only has better graphics. Nintendo Wii is a gamecube with a motion controller. PS3 is a next-gen system because it has a new created format by the system creator Sony and has the new chip cell. You can't say wii is a next-gen system because motion sensitive controllers have been available for along time, even if Nintendo is the first to use the way they're using it now, it doesen't count. Xbox360 is not next-gen because..well you know why.

okay...i have three jobs, one pays me ***** loads of money for hardly even working. i could by all three systems if i wanted. but i have no incling to to buy a 360 or a ps3. honestly... what makes the 360 and ps3 more mature. did you know the average age of gamecube owners is 23 years. some games interest me more than others. i just dont see anything new for sony and ms.

I dont see how you can compaire a games console to a pc figboy. (And yes the price of Bluray players is unneccesarily high, they'd probably be rake-ing in about $700 profit on the $1000 models)

Firstly you dont get have the functionality from the ps3 compaired to a pc.

I doubt its going to let you surf the internet in any useable fashion. The harddrive will be restricted to what you put on it, like you'll have to re-rip all your cds or convert all your mp3s to sonys atrack format, videos will probably be limited to bluray and dvds I doubt they'll let you play divx or the like on the ps3.

This thing connects to a TV, so even using a high definition set you're still going to have trouble reading websites (if they let you browse the net) without sitting right in front of your TV.

What if bluray loses the format war? (could still happen, DVD wasnt a risk as it was the only format and was well establised when Sony released the PS2)

You can write off at least $200 off the price that your never going to see function from again.



Everyone whos writing the Wii off is really missing the point. Nintendo have seen that who can push the most polygons isnt have as important actually having fun with games.

Its about immersion and having fun, instead of wanking over who can have the shinest textures and most complicated models.

Anyhow the actual graphic chip on the xbox360 is more powerful than the ps3's, thanks to the way ATI designed (it get anti-aliasing virtually free, ie no more jaggies), the ps3's main cpu is more power than the xbox360s main cpu, roughly they evenly speced, so anyone calling an xbox360 an xbox1.5 is an idiot.

So far everything shown for the PS3 (well the realtime demonstations) have shown it to be at most on par with the xbox360s launch releases.



Anyhow Nintendo's getting my money, and I think I'll be enjoying playing my games rather than looking at how many special effects they can layer on.



P.S I might just pick up an xbox360 aswell and still have money left to buy games instead of paying the same amount of money for just a ps3.

the blogger is a f@ggot fanboy your so stupid paying for something that is not even worth it, only a fanboy would be convinced look at the facts dipchit sony fanboy before being made into buyimg something that will not fare well later this year

"#8 and #9 = figboy"



why would i post two more topics agreeing with myself? i said all i needed to say, and feel i was being reasonable and logical. people respond to what makes sense to them. apparently, i made sense to number's 8 and 9 (by the way, thanks for the support, guys).



as for this being a bad generation for consoles, i highly disagree. the three console makers have created some interesting and enjoyable machines. despite my criticisms of the Wii, i'm still looking forward to seeing what Nintendo can come up with, and i definitely can't wait to get my hands on Twilight Princess again, and Super Smash Bros: Brawl.



the 360 also has some really high quality titles on the horizon, and i left E3 very impressed with Microsoft's offerings. Mass Effect and Lost Planet looked great. Crackdown was the most fun i've had in a game in a long time, and while Too Human has severe framerate issues, those will probably be worked out before it's launch, and the game looked very promising.



i played Resistance: Fall of Man, Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom, Warhawk, and Heavenly Sword, and i was impressed with them all and had a great time. all 4 titles looked and played great, and they're still only roughly 50% complete. i'm thoroughly convinced, based off of what i saw, and played, that the PS3 will deliver, and is worth the $600.



it seems to me that you're not into video games, if all you enjoy is Metal Gear. maybe reading a book, or watching shallow television programs is more your bag. to each his own, i guess.

i think it's more than fair to compare a PS3 to a current PC. let me illustrate:



PS3:

1) One of the most powerful CPU's available

2) Hard Drive which is upgradable to any size you like.

3) Web Browsing, voice chat, video chat, email, instant messaging, etc.

4) Mouse and Keyboard support.

5) Supports CDs, CD R/RW, DVDs, DVD R/RW, and Blu Ray, and probably BR R/RW formats.

6) Can connect it to a standard TV, or HDTV



PC

1) Can be upgraded to the latest powerful CPUs.

2) Hard Drives that can be upgraded to any size you like.

3) Web Browsing, voice chat, video chat, email, instant messaging, etc.

4) Mouse and Keyboard support.

5) Supports CD's, CD R/RW, DVD's, DVD R/RW, and eventually Blu Ray, BR R/RW (and for a very heft price for the drives)

6) Can connect to a standard moniter or HDTV monitor.



hey, you're right, the PS3 has absolutely *nothing* in common with a PC. my mistake. seriously though, PC Gamers and Console gamers have long been a separate market. lately, that market has been merging, as consoles have been trying to offer the same experiences the PC does, and vice versa.



if the PS3 is successful, then there is no way Blu Ray will lose the format war. look at the facts. right now, only 4,000 or 5,000 people in Japan and the US have purchased HD TV drives on the market. The PS3 is planning on shipping *4 million* units before the end of this year. despite the $600 price tag of the system, people over the world are still pumped about it, and it *will* sell out of however many units Sony can actually manufacture and ship before year end.



let's be nice and say they only ship 2 million. that's 2 million Blu Ray players in peoples homes. since there won't be a diluge of games to play come launch day and the christmas season (about 15-30 by years end), the happy PS3 purchasers will be looking for *something* to do with their new console, and that something may be purchasing Blu Ray movies, instead of a standard DVD (DVD's are usually priced at $19.99, but at Best Buy at least, during the week that the DVD is released, it goes on sale for $14.99. using that template, the average DVD is reported to cost about $24.99, which would roughly translate to $19.99 for a High Def version of the movie. That price may be appealing to consumers *wanting* to see what the hubbub is all about). HD DVD, while a cheaper and comparable format, doesn't have the ludicrously strong "Playstation" brand backing it. Sony may be doing terribly in their other markets, but the Playstation name is still going strong.

ENOUGH OF THE BULL*****...I'LL SHOW YOU WHY THE PS3 IS WORTH IT USING PURE MATHEMATICS. HERE GOES:



XBOX 360 = 280 GBP

PS3 = 425 GBP



EXTRA EXPENSE FOR PS3 = 145 GBP



OK..SO..WHATS THE DIFFERENCE ...WHAT DO YOU GET FOR THE EXTRA 145 GBP:



BLU RAY PLAYER

MEDIA CENTRE

EXTRA 40 GIG HARD DRIVE

WIFI

BLUE TOOTH



HMM...SOUNDS LIKE A BARGAIN.

13 months after xbox 360 and we get 4% speed bump + $200 charge.



If MS released 360 13 months later it'd still be $400, but faster than PS3!

HONESTLY...I DONT UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT THE PS3 IS OVERPRICED.. THEY ARE MAKING A HUGE LOSS AND WE GET A BLU RAY PLAYER FOR PEANUTS ....WE WOULD HAVE TO BUY ONE SEPERATE TO WATCH HD AT HOME.

ALSO THE BEST GAMES WILL COEM OUT FOR THE PS3...BECAUSE THE BEST GAMES COME FROM JAPAN AND ITS A JAPANESE SYSTEM. THE GAME MAKERS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO SUPPORT THE BIGGEST PLATFORM MORE THAN THEY WILL ANY OTHER AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THE 360 HAS BOMBED IN JAPAN.



MICRSOFT HASNT INVESTED AS MUCH MONEY IN THE 360 AS SONY HAS IN THE PS3. THEYRE WHOLE STRATEGY WAS TO REVERSE EVERYTHIGN FROM THE LAST GEN...GO OUT A YEAR EARLY TO GAIN MARKET SHARE , BECAUSE EVEN THEY KNOW HOW STRONG THE PLAYSTATION BRAND HAS BECOME.



FOR SONY, THE ENTIRE COMPANY IS NOW DEPENDENT ON THE SUCCESS OF THE PS3 SO THEY HAVE MADE SURE THAT THIER SYSTEM iS THE BEST OUT THEYRE BAR NONE ....IN THE END EEVRYONE KNOWS THIS...ITS JUST A FEW PEOPLE WHINGING ABOUT THE PRICE WHICH IF YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT U GET ISNT ACTUALLY A LOT.

maybe theres so much fanboyism because the 360 page is DEAD. has anyone been to qj.360.net recently? its pathetic everything has under 20 jumps, everythings dead, its like someone shyt in bill gates' mouth.

All you gamers need to stop, All of you!!!!!!!, Look at what your fighting over, Games?, You guys think to hard on Game corps....I'm a Normal Gamer (Casule gamer) and I think the PS3 price is OK, for what it does its a great system and it has Blu-ray which seems to me is a thing that will sell for a person like myself (the only reason I'm checking out this site is because a friend told me to check it out Info on the PS3 to know what it does) I think Sony is making a smart move, I don't play games all that much, I like Moves and to have a HI-Def Blu-ray at start is something I want on my HDTV. $600 is cheap why pay for something $1,000 when later it will be $600. I may pick up a game but most likey no...Blu-ray seem to makeing its way in the future as for everything else the PS3 can Do I'm still reading on it. But to me Blu-ray comes First

ps3???



cheap



ill buy it!



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if u only wanna play games post #44 then buy the 500 usd version, wat makes this whole thing funny is dat the ps3 will do good sales wise but why should that concern any of u, all u need to be concerned about is the games that are being released for the system, i dont see the reason why ppl spend so much time arguing about this things



ps:dont mind my gramma just being lazy

Correction the average gamer is between 18 and 30(or 33). So highschoolers arent really in the average to much anymore. We grow up and we want to play something more 'mature' or bloody violent to release our criminal urges on.

was a hit and still is. it has a 70sumthin percent attach rate . its a *****ing great game way better than halo 2. i dont get the obsession with halo 2 . the first one was excellent...great sory and suspense, but the second was was kind of lame in comparison.

the ps3 is not expensive waa is expensive is the xbox 360.how is an adapter the same price as the HDDVD. 360 is out the picture. Im gettin WII and ps3.

I DON'T WANT A BLU-RAY PLAYER... I WANT A GAMES CONSOLE FOR A GOOD PRICE.

Sounds like the PlayStation 3 has ego issues...

lol. it's true. but i think it's earned the right to be arrogant, just like Nintendo earned the right to be arrogant in the 80s and early 90s. but in all truth, the PS3 *isn't* a toy, and neither is any games machine in my opinion. the moment you start refering to your product at toy, the adult market turns away. a $600 toy won't sell well, but a $600 multimedia device *would*.



Ken Kutaragi and Kaz Hirai have the biggest chip on their shoulders than anyone i've ever seen. but that just makes for hilarious sound bites. same with Peter Moore and Phil Harrison. it's their job to talk up their product, and talk down others. sadly, that kind of PR strategy works on the consumers.

I really think this nonsense is being draggeds out too far. it really looks quite silly. all the personal attacks were pretty low, i'll admit, so i'm just going to stop here. but not trying to get the last word: i am in high school, but do have a job and am planning to get a PS3 at launch. i don't disagree with any of your points..just quite bored and felt like talking bull*****. :)

lets not forget that wii isnt aiming to be in competition with sony and microsoft. They have a discount(not a bad thing) system that is aimed more towards a nonconventional gaming for the more conventional person(ie for non gamers). If you want to compare prices and percentage differences lets be realistic and look at the 360 and ps3 both have two models and two prices, lets look.



Ps3 499 - xb360 299 difference 200, percentage diff - 59.9%

ps3 599 - xb360 399 difference 200, percentage diff - 50.1%



and for a bonus band wagon jump

ps3 599 includes wifi and bluray

xb360 399, wifi adapter (lets say) $50, optional hd-dvd drive(guessing) $100-150 (totaling 550-600 dollars)



Difference when holding similar disc storage and wifi, the percentage is only 0-9%

now this last part is only for speculation and humor, there are many ways to do it as well, specially with all of microsofts accesories.



the prices have risen on systems, but sony's approx 50% more than its (actual) competitors havent changed.

to 66: thank god that's over with.



to 68: $599 is a hefty price tag, but it just boils down to if the consumer sees enough value in the unit to warrent a purchase this year. Tech heads may love the fact that it's a Blu Ray player that doubles as a games machine, and for $600; roughly half the price of stand alone Blu Ray players, and it houses other features that a PC would cost a small fortune to upgrade to, and the gamers may love the fact that it's an immensely powerful gaming console, with Blu Ray capabilities, and can compare, and even beat, the current graphics capabilites of the latest video cards on the market, which cost about $600 US *just* by itself, not including other components that make up a PC.



to 70: Thanks for that post. it kind of puts things in a bit more perspective regarding the worth and cost of the two competing systems. it seems like, with that issue, it's just a matter of taste. some people dig 360, some people dig the PS3. i think each one is worth their respective asking prices, if you count what's in the box, and not any other periphials you may have to purchase later. the $400 price of the 360 is a fair deal; the $600 price for the PS3 is a steal; looking at all of the things the system can do, just out of the box.



also, Nintendo is competing by "not competing." and that gamble seems to have paid off, as, thanks to a great impression at E3, they've got people interested in their console. my concern is how many nongamers (the market their tapping), are going to go out and purchase the console. gamers and Nintendo fans are getting it regardless, but will they really be able to (especially here in America, where games are considered a "cute hobby") convince their mom and dad (i'm referring to the mom's and dad's that are in their late 40's and 50's, like my mom) into buying a unit of their *own*.



as an example, one of my friends, who's only a few years older than me would come over and visit, and i would show him the latest cool game i happened to be playing. he'd nod and smile, say how great the game looked (like Zelda, or Metal Gear, or Smash Bros.), then he'd nod off and go to sleep. he doesn't own a game system, nor does he plan on purchasing one, despite my enthusiasm when showing them to him. when i get a Wii, and he comes to visit, i'm sure he'll have a blast playing whatever games i happen to purchase for it, but i doubt he will then run out of my house, hit up the nearest Best Buy, and purchase one. that's my concern for this "casual gamer" strategy Nintendo is banking on.



of course, with the low cost of manufacturing Wii units, even if only the 24 million gamers that purchased a Gamecube last generation purchase a Wii throughout it's life cycle, Nintendo will still be financially in the green, and make a profit off of their systems. Sony and Microsoft have much more to lose if their respective systems don't push enough units.

To 70:

I was comparing the most expensive game system to the least expensive. It was 50% back then and 300% now.



But...

When you start adding accessories you are just asking to get into a MAJOR pice jump.

Lets go back in time... the year is 2000

I buy a PC from Gateway for $500 with a CRT, CD. I could have gotten a Dell for $900 with the "new" lcd screens and dvd. But i wanted to wait and see if I needed it, now I have a CHOICE to either buy an lcd and dvd and rise

here is another way of looking at price differences...

I



people back then were just on the verge of getting higher priced console because they were spending money on something new and 100 dollars wouldnt cover much(2 games). now 200 dollars will get you 4 games (depending on the ones).



lets compare then:

gc+controller+3games



200+30+150 = 380



ps2+controller+ game

300+30+50=380



now lets compare what you could get with the essentials (no "wifi" or hd-dvd, these are the things you need when you first get a console) at a launch for the same price now:





360 core, wireless controller, 5 games



300+50+250=600





ps3 core, wireless controller, 1 game



500+50+50=600



considering this the 50% difference no makes a big difference. then you got 3x the games now you get 5x... it makes a HUGE difference. i can go out and play 5 diffent games if i buy a xbox 360 for 600, but if i spend my money on a ps3 i will only be able to play one game.

I'm Rich so I can buy 17 PS3 if I want to, Poor people have to work I don't

by the time bluray catches on... ps3's player will be far outdated...



and you will have to buy a media remote for it too. because all consoles video playback sucks for the reason that you use the controller untill you get a remote. and i never ever met a console with video playback capiblities the same or greater than a devoted player.

how many people would actually choose to have slow wifi? my wifi is fast but i can just get a modem and have to 3x as fast. wired connections are ALWAYS better than wireless(unless you have dialup). i have no idea how you would fill up 60gb of hd space... i have 15 demos and that only takes up 5gb. and ripping dvds from the disk would take a LONG time. and you would probably be better off just watching them from the disk. I can buy a chair with heated seats, massaging, motorized reclining capabilities, but if im not going to use them its not much of a value.

thanks for the correction, i was just guessing (and using the pci wificard prices instead of looking it up). As for the hd-dvd add-on, your right anything less than 200 would be having them lose alot of money, but then again they do have alot to throw away. Just to keep the xbox afloat they burned through at least a few hundred mill. In the end its all what you want to use it for.



to 82: actauly alot of people would choose a slower wifi over hundreds of feet of cable running through out their house. If i wired my house with cat-5/6 cables i would spend enough to get 2-3 wifi routers that are high-mid-end. It depends on your placement and preference. Id hate to have 4 computers a dreamcast, ps2(to be replaced by ps3), wii(future) and a 360 all in the same room.

As for the 60gb, it can be used for alot of things. I have 15 gigs of music on my pc that i would love to throw on my ps3, their will be also demos, downloadable games, possibly the ability digital media (ie ps1 & 2 games), movies(though your right it would be better to watch from disc, but its safer to watch from drive if you have clumsy people living with you), and more. So its also on how you use it.... AND the point of a 60gb hdd is so it will take a while to fill up, so you wont have to clean it of your old demos you still like to play for new ones, or delete old games from the ps1/2 that you bought digitally causeyou couldnt find them any more.



My point is, that its how you use them. The 600 dollar system isnt for you, why? because you dont want the wifi, the extra 40gigs of space or even the card readers. If you do youll get it for the HDMI port and complain bout the waisted extras when from rumors told, you dont need the hdmi to play 1080p games, maybe movies, but not games.

another thing your missing is developers wont want to waste 5x the time filling up a bluray disc if it can only be for ps3. computers dont have bluray... 360 doesnt have bluray... so if they decide to fill up the ENTIRE disc, it would be for ps3 only and have a VERY hard time regenerating money.



to 84... ohh yeah thats right... ps3 cant stream music from their pc... THATS why you need that extra space... my 360 can stream all of my music and videos from my pc so 20gb is more than enough. and so i dont have to waste time trasferring files. true i can buy ps1 games for it but as i recall i sold all of them at a garage sale for $1 each.

and i dont want to wait an hour for my ps3 to rip a hd movie (over 30gb) to my hd... from a 2x bluray player.

as for the wifi... its your choice. but when that microwave turns on at your neighbors... dont blame me for dropouts. wifi is unpredictible, simple as a person standing in a room can distort the signal and cause lag.

80: What on earth do you complain about? The system will play your movies no matter what. The controller is wireless, so it's pretty much like a remote. Play, stop, pause, next, forward, select...anything else you need? And video playback propably sucks because it's in 720p/1080i/1080p HD playback. It must suck so bad...???



85: you don't know it either. Games may or may not be expensive.

Blu-ray can't be a bigger waste of money than a UMD, because UMD's were only used on PSP's. Aaaand, Blu-ray will be used in computers and home entertainment systems.

...And for the rest, you're just making up excuses. Come on. I know you could use the extra 40 gigs if you could. Wifi. Why NOT use it if you can. Wireless is easy, fun and fast, BUT cable is faster of course. Sometimes you need wireless. That is the one reason the damn thing was invented.



86: We don't know a lot of the stuff you said, because PS3 isn't out yet. Money regeneration is easy if the user base is big and we don't know how many people will buy a PS3. I personally think a lot, but that's just me guessing.

PS3 may or may not stream music from the PC. Let's wait and see shall we.

And again for the wifi...where did you get your wifi connections? From the middle-ages? You know that system works.



This specualtion thing is horrible and it's getting worse everyday. No one knows anything for sure about the system, but still I hear "it can't do this or it can't do that", even though NO ONE knows. And if it CAN do something, then that feature surely is useless. I guess people would play an xbox360 without the HD, because it's a useless feature. Same thing for Live(tm). Who needs multiplay over internet anyway...

Please people, you can guess, but don't say anything unless Sony has officially given information. Even that information can change over time, so take it with a grain of salt. So please, please, please just wait 'till the damn superconsole P.S.Friggin.3 is out and lights everyones eyes with a strange glow of desire...



I'm going to get one for sure...

first, i really liked your post, as it's about as long as mine tend to be. lol. second, i see a lot of your points, but i don't agree with all of them, or i think i see another side to it. here we go:



Blu Ray: I don't think Blu Ray has much going for it in regards to film, as most people are satisfied with DVD, *but*, if the 2 million PS3's Sony plans to ship this November actually meet that number, and sell out (as they're probably gonna), that would mean that there are 2 million Blu Ray players in peoples homes across the world, and a few of those people will probably indulge in a Blu Ray movie or two, especially the tech heads who actually bought a PS3 just because it's a $600 Blu Ray Player as opposed to a $1000 - $2000 one.



Also, games like DreamFall, Call of Duty, F.E.A.R, and Neverwinter Nights (the first one), take up 5 gigs or more. I'm working on the sequel to Neverwinter Nights, and you're going to need a massive ammount of hard drive space to store it (probably close to 10 gigs, even larger if you plan on making modules yourself using the Toolkit). I routinely have to delete things on my hard drive at work, just to have enough room for the latest build of the game. and these current titles aren't using nearly the ammount of audio and visual resources that next gen games will *have* to use (i'm sure the texures and sounds in, say, MGS4, require a fair ammount of storage space.



And 3rd party developers aren't the only ones charged with making games for the PS3. Sony owns a fair number of 1st party developers (like Insomniac, Naughty Dog, and SOE), that *have* to make games for the PS3, no matter what, and those companies will probably, at some point in time, create a game large enough to fill up a dual layer Blu Ray, because they don't have to worry about porting to the other consoles. look at GTA: San Andreas, for example. that game was *huge*, and Rockstar packed it full of everything it could, and, knowing them, there were a million more things they wanted to do, but the limitations of a Dual Layer DVD kept it from them. imagine how much more they could cram into the PS3 version of GTA4, just because the 360 version didn't have the room. often, the PS2 or X Box version of a game would get extras that the platform it debuted on wouldn't get because of space. Look at Resident Evil 4 for the PS2, for example. they added new missions and costumes, because the Gamecube version just didn't have the room on it's Disc for it.



Web Browsing: I agree 100% with you on this issue, but I don't really plan on browsing the web on my PS3, though I'm still not too sure though. I do plan on getting an HDTV soon, so it's possible that I might change my mind on it. My computer is sufficient enough for that need.



Hard Drive: 60 is better than 20, but i don't plan (so far) to stream music or video to my PS3 from my PC. again, my computer is sufficient enough in that regard. i just don't need to do it, nor really have the desire to right now. the hard drive for me is strictly for downloading gaming content like new characters (llike Untold Legend: Dark Kingdom's fourth character; available only for download), levels, and demos. and of course, if necessary, i could just upgrade to an even larger hard drive if the 60 finds itself full.



Linux: Not a selling point for me, so I could take it or leave it.



Motion Sensing: I played Warhawk at E3 this year, and despite my skepticism, the tilt technology worked surprisingly well, and the game was really fun. as for other uses, i could see it replacing the functions of the shoulder buttons in boxing and FPSes, as you could just tilt or move the Dual Shock 3 left or right to dodge left or right (in boxing), or strafe or lean left or right (in FPSes). while not as versatile as the Wii controller, i think a creative designer (like Hideo Kojima), could find some unique or interesting uses for it. also, a game like Loco Roco would be perfect for the PS3, as the object of the game is to tilt and rotate the screen to get your blob guy from point A to poin

come on guys ps3 rocks and you know it!! xbox is weak!! wii???? what name is that!! i love playstation!! i have psp and ps2. ps3 will be cool i just know it.....

that's awesome that you have that many demos, and it only takes up 5 gigs. that was actually one of my concerns about 20 or 60 gig drives: How large will demos be? hopefully, PS3 demos will be just as small. then there's the question of how large downloadable content will be. will the new character in Untold Legends take up a gig of space? will a new car or two in Gran Turismo take up 2 or 3 gigs? it's my only worry about downloadable content, but i doubt that i'll be filling up my 60 gig PS3 drive when it launches. maybe by next year or something, i'll need to upgrade to a bigger one.



as for the warranty question, i'm not really sure. maybe, because the hard drives are upgradable, there will be a clause in the warranty that covers replacing the hard drive. do prebuilt PC's have warranties like that? i don't know, since i build my PCs, but i guess we'll have to wait and see at launch.

it is a ps3 , not even a t.v with all functions , even better, the ps3 have all the things that you can think, 60gb hard drive disc , blue thooth 7 controllers!!!!

it is the best ever selled sony have the best games companies, just play god of war or kingdom hearts in ps2 they are amazing, just imagine all this games , with better graphics and with wireless controllers , woooow it amazing

About the upgradable Hard Drive, will any work, or does it have to be a Sony brand to work? For example if I bought a PC Hard Drive would it work on the PS3? Will it cost less or more if it was a third party Hard Drive?

People nowadays are hi tech crazy they are eating up new technology faster than it can be created. HDTVs will become the standard ( I got mine at the start of '06 for just under 2k & I love it worth every penny & I'm on a very low fixed income) as will Blu Ray as will the PS3 & those who dont have it are & will most likely be kids & mostly stupid, in credit card debt type, people who cant save up or manage their money or just prefer living in the stone age. Sony has & will continue to have the far superior system & the best thing we can hope for is for Sony to squash the competition so gamemakers are able to concentrate all their time & effort into developing top notch titles & distributing every game only for PC & PS systems. The japanese are technology masters Americans are simply biters in that dept. Atrac3plus is superior to wma & bluray beats hddvd. MS fanboys are supporting a company that supports bad format choices just look at their inferior controller & I seem to recall a required add on purchase for the XBox just to play DVDs similar to the HDDVD 360 add on.Compare that to Sony who trys to provide the best of everything & give people the most bang for their buck. Nintendo shouldn't even be mentioned in the same conversation, as the Wii is obviously nothing more than a gamecube/super nes with a funky controller hence their lame excuse for no high def (which if you play the Wii on your HDTV is gonna look like crap as do PS1 games on mine now) is "not enuf ppl have HD yet" meaning: we are too broke too include it, what's the point with snes grafix quality & it's gonna get trashed by your 6 yr olds hooked up to their old 13 inch monorail TVs anyway. 1 word for those of you whining about no money left for games : Gamefly. In conlusion MS & Nintendo with their inferior hard & software & future plans & their supporters are keeping the industry from being a PS & PC monopoly & doing more harm than good. It saddens me that certain excellent titles will be unavailable on PS3 because they are other system exclusives when they would be created better in the 1st place if designed specifically for PS3. I wish Sony had the money to buy out all of the competions hardware rights, incorporate the useful bits into the PS4 like perhaps a Wii type controller,( tho I think the Dual Shock design is the ultimate) & turn MS & NIN into Segas Intellivisions SNKs 3DO Colecovisions & Ataris