PlayStation 3 backups running, says Alek, Mathieulh |
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Dutch blog PS3 Sense reports that hackers have succeeded in loading backup games (view here) in the PlayStation 3, following an almost forgotten feat that was once promulgated by self-proclaimed hackers of Team ICE.
While German hacker and Team ICE member StreetSkaterFU demonstrated via video (view here - requires Apple Quicktime Software) how the feat was accomplished, in a surprising turn of events, PSP homebrew sceners Alek and Mathieulh confirmed that the exploit was actually doable and real.
A full video in Apple Movie format was released demonstrating how StreetSkaterFU was able to get Warhawk to run without the Blu-ray Disc. Despite the quality and size of the video, the developer claims that this demonstration is not fake. Take note, however, that both StreetSkaterFU and Alek say that this is just a proof of concept for the moment.
Moderator FreePlay of the QJ.NET Forums says that the exploit is actual pretty simple. But according to FreePlay, the exploit is only doable if you have a second hard drive handy and have a good sense of timing.
Discussions are currently going on at the forums, but the mechanics of the exploit or its processes have not been revealed. Stay tuned for more updates.
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*ALEK* is not *DARK_ALEX*.
Mathieulh and Alek *confirmed* that it worked; the public announcement of the discovery came from StreetSkaterFU.
As for me figuring out how it can be accomplished, I only figured out half of it (the process of actually getting the game installed). How you RUN the thing is beyond me.
i say just give it a rest. we all know who were talking about here. and if not, Wiki it, and they even has his name as Alex. YAY for ISO's! I just hope people can use it responsible and that we don't end up destroying games to come.
how stupid i could already run warhawk ftom the hdd without the disk thats no hack
"you say tomato..." is a phrase you use when two people call THE SAME THING different names.
These are two different people. They are NOT the same thing.
This is not using the PSN store version of the game.
instead using original retail disk of the game itself for the first portion of booting process?
seems pretty nonsense for me...
games nowadays are so big, you'd fill up your hard drive faster than [insert hillbilly metaphor here]! i used to pirate psp games, and after seeing what happened to that system, i've got to say, leave the ps3 alone. it's already having a hard enough time as it is. we don't need to give developers another reason to give away our exclusives.
Let's pave the way for piraters! That's just what everyone needs. They'll eventually finish it and release it, and next thing you know, it's the PSP all over again. I don't see what the point is in them even doing this. I don't care that they do it, but if they release it to the public, that'll be a ***** move.
Yea it's always simple when it's not FreePlay doing it, isn't it? What did I tell you! It's like I can *****ing predict the future! FreePlay continues degrading PS3 hackers.
Sadly, I doubt there is any way to stop the release of an iso loader if one is found. I suppose we can only hope 25+ gigabyte isos can deter people from downloading them.
Like others have said, running backups is just bad for the industry. I want to play good games. I am willing to pay for good games. I don't need some (a lot of) cheap ass-holes ruining it for me. The developers have a hard enough time as it is, and good developers should be rewarded for good games.
If anything, I would much rather prefer to hear of some hardware mod-chip breakthroughs. a) the "breakthrough" probably wouldn't be fake like this news most likely is (give me some details instead of names I don't even know), and b) it will keep the pirate scene down to a relatively small group of people.
i mean seriously why do people act as if the psp died and did a miserable job?
and as if homebrew had anything to do with it...
i mean probably like 2 out of 10 people know what custom firmware is.
i had kids all around my school saying wth is that?
and none had a clue what u could hack into a psp.
and as for selling.
it doesnt sell so bad.
its only sad it didnt get so many good titles.
doesnt matter if 20 out of40 know what custom firmware is,the point is that developers know that they will lose money if they make a psp game...yet the reason why cod4 is on ds and not psp
Even though I dont like this whole idea, the video shows him using the warhawk disc in the first place, he just found out a was to play it without a disc, AFTER the disc has already been used to load some things.
Anyway, as alot of people have said, dont let what happened to the psp happen to the ps3.
You're not paying attention. He used the Motorstorm disc to boot Warhawk from the HDD, then removed the Motorstorm disc...
Troll more, you daft f*ck.
It's simple because I figured it out simply from someone's offhand comment about updater code. It's a freaking DNS redirection hack.
In case you didn't notice, every time I've knocked PS3 "hackers" in the past, it was because they were frauds.
Feel free to contribute something worthwhile to the PS3 scene anytime.
I a couple of months ago would have said great about this, and the sad thing is I will actually probably use it as well, it's abit hard to resist the playing of games you don't have to pay for.
I find people citing that back-ups have been going for years and they never really did any damage, and that might be the case to an extent, but I think the difference between now and then is the internet, and the fact that more people have access now than ever and this information is available to them, where as years ago most would have never known about all this and there for wouldnt have done it. But now they have the information available to them, more and more people will exploit they're systems than ever meaning a bigger loss to the gaming companies.
Realistically I do not think this will kill the systems, the 360 and the Wii is still going strong, so why people think this will make a bigger difference towards the PS3 as apose to those systems is beond me. But I do think all the systems being hacked this time around will cause a massive problem for systems in the future. For the price of the systems and the games. But I think that will just cause hackers to want to hack it even more due to the fact no one will be able to afford to buy the games anyway.
makes me sad that I have to point this out to you bmxadan, but 20 out of 40 is 50% . that is alot more than 2 out of 10 (20%) I'd say maybe 15% of people have custom firmware and about 75% of them dont buy games and just download iso's.
ever heard of an R4 card for DS?
i posted this on the forum, and sent a submit news thing to qj
but thanks to the tip from freeplay
also
"But according to FreePlay, the exploit is only doable if you have a second hard drive handy and have a good sense of timing."
that was said in the main thread of where the news of the exploit was first release
nothing personal freeplay, qj just *****s up constantly
Most people have a 40gb PS3, so whats the point? Downloading a "back up" game would almost consume the whole PS3's HDD, not to mention installing the game as well.
Why don't people try to hack into the PS3's Cell processor and unleashes its awesome power. I bet we can do a lot more things with that, then playing "back ups".
only thing that annoys me is that ticking sound in the video
why did they do that...
first Warhawk, next Motorstorm.
it seems that the original disk is necessary to kick off the booting process. then it can be replaced with any retail disk, and after the game starts up no disk is required.
Imaging downloading MGS4.LOOOL
360 games are rather compressed or fit on a DVD9. They are then upscaled to HD by the 360.
PS3 games have most, if not all, of their games uncompressed in HD format.
I hope SONY updates their firmware soon.
Respect the developers and give something back to them. They created our entertainment. You can hate SONY as much as you want but the developers are the ones that provide us with entertainment.
the reason cod4 is on ds and not psp is cos the ds i WAY easier to develop for.
This is the worst thing that can happen to the ps3. Cmon guys, the ps3 is getting some god games. If you want that to continue prevent ps3 piracy!!!!
the keyboard that is clicking.
the blu ray version of warhawk installs the whole game on to your hard dive anyway, if you look the blu ray version installs 700 odd MB's of data on your hardrive and the PSN download is the exact same size as the install. ive done this before, i was playing warhawk when my bro accidently ejected the disk, and i kept playing i even loaded up new maps and stuff like that without the disk even being in the drive, the disk is just needed to start the game then it is not used again whilst playing
why dont you do it
resistance or a game that doesnt install any data on to the hard drive and then ill be impressed
its the cameras autofocus i think
I agree wholeheartedly. We get a bunch of free stuff with the PS3 anyway.
OH GOD!! dont release this! if you release it, sony will start seeing homebrew as an issue! they would probably let us develop homebrew using the bdj thing until we start making pirating apps. why do you think they havent patched it yet?
there's going to be a patch to disable this soon i bet.
Right after you find an exploit in the PS3.
the method of running backups and method running java homebrewis totally different. the blu-ray java is actually a feature.
most people say that downloading an iso means consuming all the hdd's space ..but what about burning the iso into a blue-ray disc...then playing it...does that work??
idk alot about the ps3 but im putting my money on they have a special code or key on theyre discs to stop people from doing exactly that.
OMG,
i cannot honestly believe how newbish the QJ readers are.
are you all too young to remember any other console than there next gen flavours?
lets start...
do any of you remember the PS1, PS2? piracy scene was far more widespread than the PSP even touched upon. it was the PS1/PS2 that made sony what they are today (in the console world).
the reason the PSP died is because it was simply crap (and dont flame me fan boys) i have one and even got into the scene when there actually was one, the piracy didnt kill the psp, the psp did.
xbox anyone? yup piracy there too, did it kill the xbox
dreamcast? okay bad choice here on my part, but it wasnt the piracy that killed that either.
so the question is will piracy kill the PS3? will it f*ck. what will kill the ps3 is like the psp the lack of any real substance (again dont flame me fan boys) i have one and i love it, but the sheer fact of the matter is i can only name a handful of decent titles (released thus far) that are worth paying 40+ quid for.
i can only hope (as i am) that the coming year will be more properous and we will finally see some games that PS3 deserves
those that are i will buy, those that arnt i wont, simple as
why do you people think that the psp is dead...maybe for people who use OFW .with the CFW we can do alot with our psps ...play old console's games..(play ps1 game which i love so much) it isn't dead...and piracy increases sales..and that's a fact
We don't need these problems
ZOMG FAKE FAKE LOLFAKE.
Just messing. =P
On a moar series note: Next we need some kind of DevHook/Custom Firmware, then we need to find a way to compress the games so you can at least a few good games on a HDD. ((Think MGS4 on a 40GB HDD....))
If I'm not mistaken, you would be booting ISO's, so would they be able to be compresssed to CSO's?
Just some ideas/old things for potential devs so don't flam 'em: Compression ((CSO's)), Streaming ((PS3 Browser/Interweb or from a PC?)), different parts on different mediums ((Memory Stick/Special Disc)).
"those that are i will buy, those that arnt i wont, simple as"
Same as everybody, but what they are trying t say is different companies not wanting to develope games for the PS3 due to lack of sales.
If you flam me for that, I'll just ignore it so do what you all want.
@soupman, what you are thinking if is called Digital Signing which is what stops the game from booting. What most hacks do is skip the check. ((If I'm wrong tell me NICELY))
@your_fire
Blu-Ray burners are ex*****ive...Or at least I think they since the players aren't cheap themselves.
I think Compression will be the way to go.
The DS is even easier to Mod and code for than the PSP. But the psp is already losing titles +[
If this keeps on with the PS3 it will end up like the PC. Good games for PC lways come 1 or 2 years later than on consoles because its so easy to exploit. Even games you have to pay for are downloadable for free.
If this is released it will be bad for the marketing of i and will soon die.
Dont Release It!
We have a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOONG way to go before there is even a thought of custom firmware on the PS3. This is still a POC, so I doubt they're even thinking of compression right now. They're more concerned about actually getting the games to load. Period.
Kiddo, you're the one who seems to think any jackass with a malformed TIFF image is a hacker.
I've already MADE useful things. It's YOUR turn, f*cknuts.
The video looks okay, I wonder if it's real. If it is, it's GREAT! The x360 and the wii already have their own chips, if I could backup my games on the ps3, I'd be really happy. (And hoping the next update won't crash our hopes, lol)
It cool that theres some work on PS3 Isos; however, personally (as almost everyone has said before :p) not only would it cost too much to get the eqipment need to rip and store the games, but its not really needed. As much as i hate paying $60 a game; keep in mind, you dont have to buy your PS3 games at Gamestop, EB, Best Buy, etc. The internet has great deals on certain games. Some times you can get them more than half off. Not only that, if PS3 games become pirated, it could once again lead a system to its doom (RIP PSP and Dreamcast :( ). Personally, i really think (if they can) they should look into a way to play imported PS1 and PS2 games on PS3. I mean, you spend a $1000 on the tv, $500 on your PS3, and a majority of import games cost about $30-$50 bucks usually. Not only that, if you have a certain import for PS1, i find it funny that even thou you own the disc, the only way you can play it on any PS3 is to buy the damn game again on the PSN. >:( Grant it, i do have a modded PS2; however, id like to play my imports on my 42 inch Insignia (via HDMI). XD
hardware yes software no
this is not a major breakthrough...i just want to know why it is called (ps3 backups running) if he used an original warhawk disc to start the game...the only thing that will make me buy ps3,is to see REAL backups running via a hdd or copied blue-ray which i think will never happen....
don't tell me piracy and other stuff....u know the ps3 40 gig console where i live is $581 ...just imagine (THE 40 GIG) and u know how much the games cost....even if the game is old or stupid they don't reduce the price which is $79 always!!!
so i don't care about playing pirated games because its a rip off to buy them .... and i am 16 unfortunately so no work for me!! :(
Err, no it isn't - "You say tomato..." is when two people call the same thing by THE SAME NAME, only pronounce it different!
It isn't a rip off to buy them. -_- You buy them because they give you hours of entertainment and to show respect to the developers.
I'm unemployed and games cost $100. The 40GB costs $800. I'm still able to pull through fine.
People can complain about the PSP not having much third party support, less games, but I bet more than half of those people pirate.
That sucks for both of you. The 80gb PS3 here is 400 bucks, last time I checked. The most I've seen a PS3 game go for is 60 bucks.
there are tons of japanese psp games. yakuza 3, guilty gear xx accent core, infinite loop, phantasy star portable, bleach: heat the soul series, super robot taisen, medical 91, memories off 2, umihara kawase, ikuze gen-san, initial d, macross, star ocean, etc.
the american/european/english/canadian (anyone outside japan) devs are just too lazy. that's all. how come japan releases tons of games for every consoles (except the 360)? hmm..maybe because 99% of video game systems came from japan from atari, sega mega drive, nintendo 64, playstation, etc (360, anyone?)
Even if this is real i don't think people will start downloading games at like 25 GB. This is so god damn lame. What we should focus on is to get real homebrew running on the PS3, not backups. Nobody wants to buy a blu-ray burner for like 300 bux and then buy a god damn blu-ray disc for 25 bux and also download 25 gigs of some game that's gonna take like a week or something. No, what people really want is emulators. N64, Dreamcast, PSP, Genesis maybe even Xbox?
Screw backups. Give us homebrew instead!
make it so that the iso will only play on the ps3 that made the backup
this is bull*****. this could kill the ps3 in a very real way. we just have to hope that a quick firmware update can nip it in the bud! that's where ps3 has the advantage over psp because the PSN makes updating more or less mandatory.
Not really, both the Wii and 360 have their own services where you purchase games, both new and old. Both systems also require firmware updates from time-to-time to circumvent running of "backups" on their systems. Both systems seem to be doing just fine. Remember, the userbase of people who known about homebrew/exploits/iso loading is very small compared to the amount of legit users who purchase their games at full retail price.
I thought the DS and PSP were selling the best right now in Japan.
"This is the worst thing that can happen to the ps3. Cmon guys, the ps3 is getting some god games. If you want that to continue prevent ps3 piracy!!!!"
If you haven't noticed, X360 is getting more good games then the PS3, and it has piracy.
If this gets people the buy the PS3, its was the system needs. Piracy on the PS3 will not be like the PSP. PS3 games take a hell of a lot longer to download.
New PS3 hacks backup video, proof it works online and Motorstorm
StreetskaterFU has published a second video of his PS3 backups hack to prove it works. In his words this video shows "proof works online and showing inserted disk is motorstorm as proxy disc. When i eject disc, game quits like normal." Continue discussion on the new video here.
i dont know if i can post the web here but its from maxconsole
yeah, i dig this...let's see the setup to replicate it.....
it should be on the update on Qj !
ps3 satin silver rox
hehhehee thinking of buying a 250 G HDD for the Ps3
I agree, you are ABSOLUTELY right.
But we have to think here if Alek and Math are all ready behind this if must get sped up greatly.
Even though they are I'm still going to have to agree with you, because loading the games is surely the most neccesary part.
I just got a little ahead of myself. +D
PostScript: I know that whole thing is spelled wrong and/or whatever, but it's wayyyyy to early for me right now. +P
"its only sad it didnt get so many good titles."
That's why devs shy away from the PSP. Assuming but not conceding that 2/10 people know bout CFW and ISOs, that translates to big sales losses. Everyone knows that most of the money in the business comes from software.
So yeah, I think CFW did hurt the PSP, with all due respect to the brew scene,
R4 does exist, but it doesn't get into the US and EU as easily as CFW. With CFW, all u need is the software, a PSP, and a memstick. Anyone can get that easily. With R4, you'd have to find a bootlegger to sell the chip to you. That's not as easy as downloading CFW.
"But according to FreePlay, the exploit is only doable if you have a second hard drive handy"
Wrong! You guys only reported HALF the news. The hack is doable WITH NO ORIGINAL if you have two HDDs and it's ALSO doable if you have the original with only one HDD.
At least, that's what the rest of the world is reporting.
i would never buy a blu ray disc just to back up a ps3 game... i would rather use hard drives... a blu ray is cost around $20-25 wiih is almost half te price of a ps3 game.. My theory ia that i would just get gamely and a 500gb hdd and just rentgames and back it up....
They are not INVOLVED, they just verified that it's real.
I didn't say that. What I said is they did something YOU didn't. Why can't you appreciate people who manage to get something, ANYTHING, running on an extremely restricted piece of hardware (PS3)? And yes, you have made useful things, however you have NOT made anything (or figured out anything) that allows running something, ANYTHING, on the PS3.
Thank you. I hate being misquoted.
Yay...to pirating!!!! Guess I'll be doing it too *sarcasm*....Kinda sad, a lot of posters on this side (as in homebrew side, chill ps3fanbies), while real news about updates and the likes get zilch on comments. oh well, there goes another console... AND YES I DID POST TOO (to my regret LOL).
I like how people say there's only a small community of pirates or those who know cfw, it won't affect sales (my a$$). Unless the pirate is a total LONER and in total recluse, he/shes gonna be telling someone else about it and getting them interested in it too, hence the cycle of LIFE! or pirating for this matter. One way or another, CFWs and pirating does damage, maybe small but it still does damage yet people seem to uhhhh... defend that. Funny ain't it. Yes, everyone has or does it, including me i guess. Subtitled Anime is a crime. Give it a little thought thou, alot of PS3 games however they may suck have gone down in price quite fast (not even a year) ie. devil may cry, most of the greatest hits, etc.....YAY for bluray if your that dense. Homebrew....sure its good. wait. WHY THE HELL AM I PLAYING A PIXELATED GAME ON A HD SYSTEM?
My two cents done. Fwuuuu.. That felt good.
I'm not interested in an ISO loader or the ability to play PS3 Backups.
i can't wait until Homebrew Developers find a way to open up the PS3 to run unsigned code.
Can't wait for proper emulators(Dream cast, N64 and even PS2 are all possible) region free DVDs and Blu Rays, and homebrew Apps and plugins!
the possibilites are endless! how mad would it be to be able to use the psp as a controller, or to expand upon remote play features, or allow compatibility with more movie file types, etc.
A true PS3 Custom firmware. i can't wait.
I'm sure this is an important step towards that, well done :)
Thanks FreePlay, you just ruined my hopes of PS3 M33. ;~)
Just kidding, but thanks I was thunking that they were behind it.
I'm not insterested in hacking my PS3 in any way, shape or form. Sony has clearly shown us they have a handle on the situation and I use PSN more then disc games as it is.
However, if there's a way to play backups that require the original just for the sake of playing off the HDD then I'm 100% for it!!!!
MS is doing giving everyone this exact feature with the 360.
From what I can tell, with ZERO modifications, we'll be able to play games from the HDD with the original in the drive. THAT IS AWESOME!!!
well i dunno what to say but see i have a little example in my home country Xbox 360 games cost me 6 $ ( for 1 game ) coz its already moded a one Ps3 blue ray game cost me 70 $ lets take it some how mathematical how many xbox 360 games i can buy with 70 $ ( Ps3 blue game ) thinking thats the same games are in those consoles some are Exclusives not denying thats ofcourse ... i can buy between 11-12 games on the xbox for 70 $ but if i wanna buy 11 Ps3 games it will cost me 770 $
So you are saying it's okay to pirate....even though it's 360. Your 24 years old, GET A JOB and save your damn pocket change and maybe be able to buy a LEGIT game for yourself. You sound so proud that you are actually pirating or more like supporting pirates. What the hell is with your damn explanation.
i have a good job and saving money( video editor and graphic designer ) but not to buy a game that i can end it anytime i want but with the money im saving i can modify my car i can modify my home with something realistic think it like that : Ps1 when it hits it was like 400 $ Ps2 first it hits it was like 500 $ now tell me how much does these console costs ??? thats what i mean and we already know there is rumors about PS4 is getting started with it ... sorry but go to ur Desk and count the Ps3 games u have maybe many maybe not count them and see how much money u spent.. but on the contrairy the xbox360 user is having much more games that u have and he dont give a Sh$t about his 6 or 7 $ and do u want me or any Ps3 user playing a game already xbox360 have it and CHEAPER ! the game is a game... performance of the Ps3 is more powerfull then xbox360 but the game will end the same thing on the both consoles ..THATS MY DAMN explanation
THank You
G@ Big @r G@ H@me
Ps: sometime the users who dont like piracy i think of them as employee to sony heheheh silly i know but dunno ;)
You write like a 13 year old and you expect us to believe you have a video editing job?
English not being your first language isn't the problem.
Anyway, in my country a 360 game costs $59.99 and a PS3 game costs $59.99. btw, since you asked, I own 5 of them (PS3).
To pirate a 360 game costs about 40 cents. Pretty soon, to pirate a PS3 game will be FREE. Either way, to do them requires a LOT of hastle if you wish to go online.
So your lame ass comments are going to be wasted on MOST people that come to this site.
Video editing job/graphic designer my a$$. We are talking about you being a pirate....Your damn explanation didn't even touch on the main point: YOU'RE PROUD TO BE PIRATING. If you really are in the job you think you are, how about I make this an example, you design something. I steal it off your website or something and tamper with it so it has my logo, then sell it to someone else or use it personally without your consent or pay. How would you feel? Pirating is the same way but in a more grander scale and little more complicated. UNDERSTAND? example enough? CAPS with the mainpoint still not going thru your thick ass head?
piracy nirvana means *****ty games and even *****tier online. i would rather pay $100 for a game then download it for free and have the system go down. i have a psp m33, and online and gaming in general are not pretty. alek, please stop.
it is near impossible to backup your ps3 games for many reasons for one thing each ps3 game install its data on the hardrive very differently and and runs slightly different so even if they have managed to back up warhawk there is no garantee that the method they used would work with other games.
Ok, so Piracy is BAD........... but we all do it, no one can deny it. Ever taped something off the tv/radio - PIRACY. ever downloaded an MP3... PIRACY. Ok, so there are dirrerent levels of said Piracy, but i don't think it has hurt the PSP as much as most would think. Sony's still touting a 10 year lifespan - and making new models, and developers are still making games (althoug things have slowed - maybe because of the lack of interconnetabli ty of games with the New Gen Systems - due to lack of power - A ps3 game just wouldn't be anywhere near as good on a PSP.
Things can't be that bad for the psp, and look at the homebrew that has enhanced our lives, better MP3 and Video, cool wee Games, and other random device emulators (ir remotes, old consoles). I say bring on the HB, cause at $25us a disc, and $600+ a burner, and the excessive size of the games, i don't think game piracy will be a huge problem for them yet (unlike some consoles we know "cough" XBOX360 "cough")