What ever helps you to sleep at night Phildo. Keep lying to your self and everyone else.

His smarmy face and quiver full of lies makes me very nervous. SONY you need a new FALL GUY, this one is rotten and is stinking the forums out.

true..

We need more exclusives

you have to take what hes saying and put it together kind of. What he means by cant be done on other consoles is the special effects used that can only be done by cells cpu. Look at the mud effects in motorstorm, look at the rain droplet effects in formula 1... thats what he means cant be done on other consoles and the fact is that hes right the graphics are def possible but not the extreme physics done by the ps3's cell. thats why games like DiRT doesnt have similar mud. on the exclusives part i agree they have to start making deals with coompanies because we do need more although im pretty much happy with the exclsuvies we do have we could use alittle more.

yea i read the same thing in gameinformers magazine just sites like this take words out of context and make them seem bad.

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" there are things the 360 can do which 'cannot be done' on the 360."



Should be...



" there are things the 360 can do which 'cannot be done' on the PS3"



But of course, you already knew that. ;)

"games he mentioned were all launch titles"



Which were also scheduled to be launch titles, or titles within the launch window, when the PS3 was going to be launched in the spring! As a result, these games had 6 months developement on final hardware, 360 games had less than two months on final hardware!



I'm not putting the PS3 down in anyway or the games, but let's not act as if the path to launch between the 360 and PS3 were identical, because they were far from it.



The point I made regarding looking for differences is true. Last gen, when fur shading was first shown in demo form, XBox fanboys were going on about how only the XBox had the power to do it. Then fur shading appeared in Rare's Star Fox game and suddenly it was the GC fanboys going on about how only the GC is efficient enough to do fur shading in game. Then when fur shading appeared on the XBox, the two sets of fanboys were now argueing about which console did fur shading BEST. :)



So the mud in Motorstorm was because this was the goal for the game from the START, it wasn't added later. The whole game was built around the mud effects, whereas in a game like Dirt, it's more about the simulation, hence the mud effects are no difference in the PS3 version than the PC or 360 version.



Likewise, the rain drops F1. This is a GPU effect, where shaders are used to simulated the refraction of light (we saw this last gen, only not quite as good). The movement of those rain drops over the screen is the only difference compared to last gen and will require the Cell processor, but come on, it requires very simple arithmetic which doesn't tax the processor at all. :|

"The 360 is more than capable of holding it's own in this area too. Yes Cell should have an advantage (6 SPUs for games), but the 360's 3 cores for running game code (compared to PS3's one) and the 360's slightly more powerful GPU will mean there are things the 360 can do which 'cannot be done' on the 360"



Cell has 1, dual threaded Ppc core and 6 spus, all run game code. The spus are MUCH better at handling physics, audio and graphics than the ppc core.



360s gpu isnt better in a single spec. for one, its ram is shared. thats a HUGE bottleneck.



there is nothing 360 can do that ps3 cant. there is a lot ps3 can do that 360 cant. advanced physics is one. an spu is 8 times better than a ppc coreat it

"There is nothing 360 can do that ps3 cant. there is a lot ps3 can do that 360 cant."



Actually both console are better at some things than the other.



"advanced physics is one. an spu is 8 times better than a ppc coreat it"



The Cell processor is one paper, twice as powerful as the Xenon CPU in the 360 for arithmetic (even Sony quote this as the difference). So yes, the Cell processor should be better in this respect, but BOTH are capable of 'advanced physics', with Cell being better overall.



Basically, IBM took the PPC and added 8 SPUs to create Cell (6 SPUs used for PS3 games). For Xenon, IBM took the same PPC core, enhanced the arithmetic unit (VMX128 instead of VMX32) and put three cores onto one chip. Hence for arithmetic, each core in Xenon is roughly equivalent to one SPU in Cell, hence the difference overall.



Therefore, Xenon is better for running general code, since it has three 3.2Ghz PPC cores compared to just one in Cell.



Hence, depending on the game, there will be times when Xenon has the advantage, others when Cell has the advantage, but overall, it should cancel out, albeit slightly in favour of Cell in the long term.

ofcourse the 360 can achieve effects similar to those asmotorstorm..... but the point is that these were launch titles with advanced physics never seen before, And the point i made about DiRT of course it wont have it in the ps3 version. the ps3 evrsion was a port of the 360 version. Im no fanboy here i own both systems but from what ive seen in games right now is that both system atm are equal ingraphcs but the ps3 has been pulling off wayyy better effects in physics and better audio(bluray obvious). But the only advantage the 360's cpu has over the ps3 cpu for right now is that its easier to code for. but in the future you have 2games both exclusives and utilizing their cpus at the max potential the cell would win by a mile..... As for the gpu.... the 360's gpu may be a bit stronger but when i goto pc gpu batlle and look at a gpu a bit stronger from the passed what coems to mind was my X800 xt 256 mb and my friends X850xtpe. Although his gpu was indeed stronger any game which he was able to play on max so was i and at about 5 fps lower..... and his gpu had way better specs then mine. So he would get 130 fps i would be getting 120- 125 in oblivion he had 45 fps i avg 37-42 and the difference was very unoticeable the reason i have those numbers was because we tested with fraps. So as of right now i think ps3 and 360 games will "look" graphically equivalent but as time progresses their games will start to have a strong advantage in storage audio physics and even its graphics due to the cells ability to cooperate with the gpu and help it with the visuals as shown with playstation edge thign where they showed the cell rendering a full graphic scene with hdr in it also.

"ofcourse the 360 can achieve effects similar to those asmotorstorm..... but the point is that these were launch titles with advanced physics never seen before"



Well you're changed your tune



NOW you're saying of course the 360 could do it, but in your first post above, you gave it as an example of something that could ONLY be done on Cell, and NOT on the 360. You can't have it both ways mikey!



And as Drizzle pointed out, sure it was a launch title, but it was a title for a console delayed by 6 to 9 months (and please don't make out 6-9 months makes no difference to launch titles).



"And the point i made about DiRT of course it wont have it in the ps3 version. the ps3 evrsion was a port of the 360 version"



Why is it that EVERY multi-format game released, gamers claim the PS3 version is a port when it's released around the same time on the 360, PS3 AND PC? Just because the 360 *may* be the lead format doesn't make the other versions ports. Just as the PS2 being the lead format last gen didn't make all the XBox multi-format games ports from the PS2.



The mud effects seen in MotorStorm were specific for the game, it is not the default for PS3 racing games from now on. So it's unlikely to be seen in any other PS3 racing game until MotorStorm 2.



"but the ps3 has been pulling off wayyy better effects in physics and better audio(bluray obvious)"



That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.



"but in the future you have 2games both exclusives and utilizing their cpus at the max potential the cell would win by a mile..... "



*Yawn* More ifs, buts, wait until this, wait until that, just like comments about the PS2's untapped power in the Emotion Engine. Again, you're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. The PS3 will win in some cases, the 360 will win in others. It's not all in favour of the PS3 as you like to believe.



"and even its graphics due to the cells ability to cooperate with the gpu and help it with the visuals"



The 360's CPU is able to assist with graphics too (helped by the memexport feature in the GPU), which also enables the GPU to assist in areas like physics (something ATI GPUs can do far better than NVidia GPUs, hence support for ATI GPUs in Folding@Home).



There's a huge amount of features in both consoles which have yet to be touch by devs, so it's nonsense for gamers to act as if they KNOW what will happen in the future.



Let's just wait and see, and until then, enjoy the games. :)

Why do people always make the mistake of assuming the ps3 has only 6 spu's? When it has 7 spu's and 1 multi threaded power pc ppu and an eighth spu which has been deactivated.



Just for the record I think there will be very little difference in graphics between the PS3 and the XBOX360 for at least the next year or so ( Or at least until developers get to grips with the PS3 )...

I also have to agree with Drizzle, it is far too early to make judgments such as that. Even though I do believe what you have stated is likely, Vietone, I am still waiting to see what really happens.

They dont mention it as much because it doesnt malfunction nearly as quick as x360 does. $300-$400 just to have it break in a month is more than enough to turn peoples heads.

The ps3 DOES have 7 spus, but only 6 are used for games. The last one is for the XMB.



I like Common Sense's comment about the "best game console." Obviously you never played the SNES.

Buying a nice $4000 dollar computer so you can play games equivalent to 360/ps3 for 3 years. Then you gotta upgrade.

We dont need exclusives, we need fuc.kin games.