idiot

pachter doesnt know *****. until someone knows the actual problem, shut up!

Wow..

Wow.. what a lame comment by Patcher.

I don't think so!!

The ps3 version is the 1st one, so normally it should be farther in developpement. It should be the x360 version that could slow them, but I don't think so either. I think they're just having a hard time debugging all the game since it's so big and complex. I mean, the game would be lame if the framerate would drop when there's an explosion or too much polices running after you. Or when the police dissapear when you hit a certain wall or something, lol. I mean, it's normal for a game this big to have problems, I mean, the final fantasies always pop 6 months or more after the date the set (sometimes it's years after). I think rockstart is a great company, and I don't think that this marvellous team couldn't make a game on the ps3 while plenty of other team are making games for it (if patcher would have said the truth, it would mean that rockstart devs are lame, and I'm not in favor of such an opinion).

Wanna know why it was delayed?

Because Jesus Christ did it for teh lulz.

"think", "believe"

meaning he really doesn't know *****. it's all merely speculation. it could be the ps3's fault, or it could be the 360's fault.

360 is way ahead of PS3

Rockstar says 360 is ahead. And the pics we've seen are all 360. PS3 has caused this problem. I own both systems and PS3 just isn't as powerful as 360, and is harder to program for. With that said, RELEASE THE 360 VERSION IN OCTOBER AND DEAL WITH THE PS3 ONE NEXT YEAR, ALREADY! >:(

360 LESS X-360's sold will hurt the full experience

i hope they take the extra time to take the ps3 to its full potential....just like they did with OBLIVIAN for the ps3........cause all PS3 have have at least a hard drive of 20 gigs or more....and disk space of 54 gigs and more than twice the power of the 360 soo im hoping they due what they did to oblivian where it takes up 4 gigs of memory, to give you a fresh and amazing experience....no loading times, bigger footprint... of bulletholes left, explosion marks, dean civilians, farther draw distance with cras that caught your eye dont dissapear every time you turn around........like in saints row they 360 only has 500 mb of ram to put everything needed on screen , and plus custom music..... and backround downloads.....it takes too much out of powering the game im not really rooting for this one cause i feel that the 360 without a hard drive will hinder the experience we could of had im looking forward to GTA5 exclusivly for ps3....taken to its limit's any ways you bad mouthed kids got your HALO' so go shoot em up.......while us true GTA-PS3 fans have a good time , when it comes around again

F.U.C.K you playstation

It will be a better world if there were not any Playstation.

Maybe the storage media

As you say could be anything, could be fault of 360 or ps3... Also it could be the limited storage capacity of the DVD for 360 (the game looks big enough to cause this kind of problem)

OMG

THIS IS BS. AN ARTICLE CAME OUT THIS MORNING THAT TELLS THE TRUTH. This Playstation Complication ***** was something Microsoft must have come up with to cover their asse(t)s. The truth Is that THE PS3 TEAM IS AHEAD. This is because the 360 team CANT FIT IT ON DVD9 and has to wait until Microsoft releases a frickin compression technology, that won't be finished till next year! Coincidental? NO Because Microsoft set up a contract with Rockstar that says the game can't come out UNTIL THEY SAY SO. SO STFU

fixed

HARD DRIVE LESS Xbox-360's sold will hurt the full experience i hope they take the extra time to take the ps3 to its full potential....just like they polished it up more with OBLIVIAN for the ps3........cause all PS3 have have at least a hard drive of 20 gigs or more....and disk space of 54 gigs and more than twice the power of the 360 soo im hoping they due what they did to oblivian where it takes up 4 gigs of memory, to give you a trouble free, Red Ring of Death proof and amazing experience....no loading times, bigger memory footprint means... tons bullet holes left everywhere, bazooka explosion marks, dead civilians, farther draw distance, no pop up's or hearing the LOAD!!! fighter jet landing noise the 360 makes to load stuff quick like in "Gears" and when cars that caught your eye dont dissapear every time you turn around........like in saints row they 360 only has 500 mb of ram to put everything needed on screen , and plus custom music..... and backround downloads.....it takes too much out of powering the game im not really rooting for this one cause i feel that the 360 without a hard drive will hinder the experience we could of had im looking forward to GTA5 exclusivly for ps3....taken to its limit's any ways you bad mouthed kids got your HALO' so go shoot em up.......while us true GTA-PS3 fans have a good time HAVING FUN, when it comes around again

fixed

HARD DRIVE LESS Xbox-360's sold will hurt the full experience i hope they take the extra time to take the ps3 to its full potential....just like they polished it up more with OBLIVIAN for the ps3........cause all PS3 have have at least a hard drive of 20 gigs or more....and disk space of 54 gigs and more than twice the power of the 360 soo im hoping they due what they did to oblivian where it takes up 4 gigs of memory, to give you a trouble free, Red Ring of Death proof and amazing experience....no loading times, bigger memory footprint means... tons bullet holes left everywhere, bazooka explosion marks, dead civilians, farther draw distance, no pop up's or hearing the LOAD!!! fighter jet landing noise the 360 makes to load stuff quick like in "Gears" and when cars that caught your eye dont dissapear every time you turn around........like in saints row they 360 only has 500 mb of ram to put everything needed on screen , and plus custom music..... and backround downloads.....it takes too much out of powering the game im not really rooting for this one cause i feel that the 360 without a hard drive will hinder the experience we could of had im looking forward to GTA5 exclusivly for ps3....taken to its limit's any ways you bad mouthed kids got your HALO' so go shoot em up.......while us true GTA-PS3 fans have a good time HAVING FUN, when it comes around again

Compression needed??

If this is true. It's gone to be a pain in the ass. It gone to need incredible big loading times, and it will lose a lot quality in the textures. In a few words it will suck

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His theory is probably right. Lots of games have had delays because of the PS3. I don't really care because I think both the 360 and PS3 version will benefit from the delay. More time for polish. And you don't get up Michael Pachter. Almost everyone in the industry was think the same thing. The demo of the PS3 has yet to be shown and it's pretty obvious why.

but

those other companies admitted it. why isnt rockstar.

you dont know *****

the ps3 is way more powerful then the 360. thats a fact! i like the 360. hell its the only console i own. but at least i can admit its shortcomings.

you wont loose any texture detail.

a games sound is what takes up all of the space. i think its around 70% of the disc is sound. so thats what you'd lose quality on.

Bull

This is total spin. T2 and Rockstar are having "we screwed/fired too many people" problems.

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You say you have both systems, and that the 360 is more powerful, but how do you judge that? Do you look at the games? The PS3 hasn't been out as long as the 360, and people are comparing a LAUNCH TITLE like Resistance to Gears of War, saying that it's ok for comparison because they're the two most similar games. Besides, don't you want your copy of GTA to be even more polished than it currently is? Have you no patience? Come on now, with this delay, it'll be worth it once the game comes out.

WOAH there dude lol

Ok lil fanboy, just calm down. This is something called LIFE. By the way, I prefer playstation the most, but please don't consider me a fanboy just because of that lol.

@ dd

it would be a better world if you also died

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Pachter says "we think it is likely that the Rockstar team had difficulty in building an exceptionally complicated game for the 360, and failed to recognise how far away from completion the game truly was until recently." Pachter also has an idea as to how this affected the ps3 version's launch date. He adds "we think it is also likely that Take-Two had a contractual commitment to Microsoft that it would not favour competitor Sony by launching the ps3 version of GTA IV prior to launching the 360 version, and believe that any delay of the 360 version necessitated a delay of the ps3 version."

zxz

PATCHER. ***** OFF. You're like 50, stop playing video games and get sick and die. All you predictions are wrong. RETIRE.

TRUE TRUE

I THINK YOUR THE ONLY POST ON HERE THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT COULD VERY EASILY BE THE PROBLEM.

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Show me some proof. you cant just make this s*** up and go spreading it one the net

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its better on the PC anyways. all of the GTA's have been better on my computer than any system

lolercoaster

this just proves that ps3 is garbage. the more devs who see this, the less that will be on ps3. yaaay!!

hahahah

this person has no life and says she plays the crap box 360 when all she dose is post on a thing she wished she had the ps3 hahahahahha!!!!!!!!!

I

hate... you... Now please shut up...

Pachter possibly liar

Pachter it is probable biillybot. Pachter probably does provocation. And still Pachter there can be an idiot. GTA IV for X360 should appear earlier PS3s. Two weeks, or it's more? RS could make simply term even longer.

Points

There's alot of finger pointing going on about this delay, but to all you who sit there an say, it's the PS3's fault, all i ask is for proof, facts, reality...not the usual fanboy BS logic of it's Sony's fault. It may very well be the other way around, but whatever the case there is no proof to support either theory as Rockstar hasn't said otherwise.

yahh

Hah oblivion on ps3 had was brighter to make it look better. Plus dont waste money on Oblivion for console, my PC runs it on high res textures which even the ps3 cant handle, not to mention extra monster mods and items and all that free stuff on PC version.

But Microsoft paid money too!

Maybe it is the other way around and the DVD of the X Box still posses a huge problem? But like this article it is speculation!

3

Hey Aoxo are you going trough menopause right now?

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I wont say that ps3 complications are not the explanation for the delay but... If you take into account the games that were going to be realeased in the same month or so with GTAIV eg. Halo... that would surely affect sales. Now you have a far more logical explanation for the delay. The ps3 complications and all that might be blanks shot from ps3 rivals..

DIE

I will kill you for the lulz

Uhh its the other way around

Rumor has it that the 360 version ran fine as long as it was on the hard drive. Yet when it was time for compression to the infamous DVD storage, Rockstar ran into a little problem. Why would Rockstar have difficulty programming for the PS3 when so far they announced not one but two exclusives for the system. The LA Noir game and a entirely new franchise! Seems like developers of PGR4 did away with the real time daylight and night time racing and claim to be focusing on whether elements instead. Its BS, games need textures for real time elements and guess what every GTA games alway had daytime nighttime transitions. Rockstar came out months ago and said that with out a hard drive the game would load slow, so why all teh hating on SONY? I smell M$ is going to have to use the hard drive on this game for two reasons, one faster load times and two down loadable episodes.

dont have any common sense.

It's obviously not anything to do with the 360 version, as the game has been in development longer on the 360, all screenshots, trailers, and demos have ALL been on 360 hardware, and as it is, there has been no MENTION or seeing GTA IV on PS3 except to note that it's coming out, hell to be honest, had the previous GTAs not been so long as Playstation, you wouldn't even know GTA IV was coming out on PS3. That compression technology is just bs on so many levels it's not even funny, and if San Adnreas only took up 4.3GB, you aren't going to need 30gb for the next game.

Hmmmm

I don't want to piss off all the PS3 fanboys who are in denial (and I'm sure there are a lot of them since this is QJ), but every screenshot, both trailers, and all press demos have have been done using the 360 version. I wonder why?

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Calm Down dd, The egg maker is here..

agreed

damn right sony needs to stick to electronics movies and music and leave videogames alone so microsoft can leave and sega can come back so it will be just sega and nintendo in the market those were the days

NO CONSOLES ARE TO BLAME

Look you little fanboys on QJ, Rockstar hasn't blamed a console because it ISN'T the problem, They are having slight technical difficulties with the RAGE Engine, there are a few bugs which they have hoped they could Iron out but no longer can. These bugs cause the games framerates to dramatically decrease and cause a glitch where no peds or cars will spawn on the map and the problem is on BOTH consoles because it is a part of the Games Engine. The reason for the delay is so they can back track through the code and try and find out where the glitch is and also take the extra time to polish off the game and make little improvements within the games engine since they are overlooking it again.

sigh

you can tell he's an xbot. The real reason, and every SANE person know this, why rockstar pushed gta 4 to next year was cause of halo. You know the xbots, they just love their halo. Specially when halo has multiplayer co-op? The xbots are gonna be playing that b!atch for a long long time, thats why they pushed it back. As for rockstar, Ha Ha! What you get for biting the hands that fed you. Don't be surprised when most xbots still don't buy the game.

Uh huh

"Rumor has it that the 360 version ran fine as long as it was on the hard drive. Yet when it was time for compression to the infamous DVD storage, Rockstar ran into a little problem." That's just internet forum talk, that's not a rumour floating around the games industry. "Seems like developers of PGR4 did away with the real time daylight and night time racing and claim to be focusing on whether elements instead." No they didn't. It's different times of day for different tracks (some day, some night), where weather conditions change the nature of the tracks (i.e. rain wetting the track and forming puddles). I agree that the HDD will probably be used on the 360 (afterall it was for Oblivion, so it's not the first time!), but just the same, it doesn't change the fact that it appears to be the PS3 version holding up the game.

wow

It seems like something Microsoft would do, I mean, they throw money around alot, wouldn't be surprised if they had a contract like that with rockstar.

not sony to blame

copy and paste this into your browser www.ukrebellion.com/2007/08/xbox-360-problems-delay-gta-iv.html here is proof that it was because it wouldn't fit on dvd.

Truth

who downvoted this comment? it is the truth from rockstar north, lol, qj fanboys are *****ing pathetic little virgins who have no life, get *****ing over it losers, stop crying because you can't blame your supreme enemy console or whatever the ***** you little *****s wanna call it

Rockstar...

Has already done a game for 360, so why would they be behind on hardware they are already somewhat familiar with ? Also, if the PS3 version is ahead in development, why have all the screens they've shown been from the 360 version ? Yeah...

!!

I second that.

Yup!

GTA IV is running too fast on the PS3, they need to add algorithms to slow it down.

Re:bazza

Thanks for the link. That was an interesting read and it makes sense but until we hear if from T2 and R* what the real cause of the delay we won't really know.

Who knows.

There's really no telling which console is hindering development, what with all these different reports stating either the Xbox 360 or the PS3 is causing problems.

fuuck sony and ps3 and fuuck the inbread harcore gamers!

I am smarter than all of you nerds, why because i have a life, a girl friend and i have gotten laid more than any of you will ever have done for the rest of your life. I dont consider myself a harcore game infact i really dont like most games other than GTA and PRO EVO. I think games suck in general but i really was looking forward to GTA4 and i blame PS3 and Sony for there selfish act those baaaastards!

Unreal.Blender

Your an idiot. Way to back up your incoherent gibberish with a link. That's some pretty heavy facts you have there to begin with. You must be a corporate executive to know about all these "contracts" and such that don't exist.

you dont know a thing

Next gen consoles use more maps than the previous consoles. Such as normal maps, not to mentions the size of the textures themselves get much larger. You also have higher density meshes that can be used now plus many more things that you have no clue about. Trust me there is alot more space that is needed to creat these kinds of games. I know what I am talking about because I work in the industry creating these assets. And it is very likely that it is in fact a management problem delaying both games, not the PS3 or the 360. Although I will say from the trailers that the framerate on the 360 is very worrysome

Do you retards

all realize what a piece of ***** hardware you've been given by Microsoft. If any of you say that the xbox is more powerful and quieter then the ps3 you're all just stuck with the 360 you bought and had to get fixed a couple of times. If the playstation went away we would all have to be slaves to Microsoft and their continues crap they offer everyone. Face is SONY makes great stuff, if you disagree look at their TV's, computers, Radios, stereo's and everything else Sony. What has Microsoft done, made a crappy console that breaks a lot but they have more games because it was rushed out the door so they could sux you idiots in. MS should stick to their operating systems. The PS3 is a quality unit and I'll never go away.

fanboy

this guy is such a x-box fanboy

xbox360 dvd?

guys, it is a possibility that rockstar has had problems with compression to dvd9, and as for the lack of ps3 screenshots, whos to say that was'nt part of the deal with m$ afterall there was a lot of money changed hands for their exclusive content!!! as for kaznavich, i seriously doubt it on all counts!!! xbox360 owners, repeat after me!!!! I'VE BOUGHT THE WRONG CONSOLE!!!! lol!

!!!!!!!!!

RockStar should just tell Microsoft "We are releasing GTA 4 and the HDD is required". What is Microsoft going to do? Tell them No? This is a huge game for both consoles as it will give people a reason to buy a new console (I know a LOT of people who bought the PS2 for GTA 3). Screw the stupid asses who bought a Core and didn't purchase an HDD yet. If they are that stupid they won't realize what GTA 4 is anyway.

Sure fanboy

Keep telling yourself that kid. :) If you think others bought the wrong console, then you're just an insecure loser. Fact.

ha

SO you go around posting in QJ blogs? Why don't you bang your gf instead of posting here then?

Care to enlighten us further

"I know what I am talking about because I work in the industry creating these assets." Don't stay completely in the dark, name some of the games you created assets for. :)

@Shatterdome

I didn't said: "ps3 is farther in dev", I said: SHOULD be. But you still have a point: "why we only saw things from the x360?" I dunno, maybe because M$ is giving them a lot of money to make the x360 version also, but I don't think it's important, they said the game won't have any differences anyway. ps: I didn't said they would be behing on hardware, but behing in dev for the x360 (ps: you have to recode you everything to it fits on another console... and it's not a thing of 2minutes). Anyway, rockstar is great, so they're not having newbies bugs.

the last line

sum it up. Also, GTA is going be an epic game that is why.

well

Microsoft should just stick to Operating Systems then.

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Because your a retard. Simple as that. Go ahead and kill yourself

Because...

Lowest common denominator

yep

more of patchers total bs the only company to have paid rockstar is M$ several mil 5 i think

hmmmmm

San Andreas did not fit unmodified on a single layer DVD

true dat

i have to agree with my man from pokemon here its a whole bunch of stupid bs stired up by the king of bs MFP(the M doesnt stand for micahel lol)

Games I have worked on

I have been working in the industry for 4 years now at a company called Shadows in Darkness. I dont know why that is so hard for you to believe. But I am art lead and have created assets for COD4, MOHAA, NCAA 07, Dead Head Fred, Brothers in arms hells highway. Just to name a very few. As well as others I cannot name yet. I just created a profile at cg society but have not yet updated it with images of my work. My name at cgsociety is "Vsions" now you can verify it

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Why would PS3 be the main possible problem here? Wouldnt they have announced a delay a long time ago if they were having problems on the PS3? It must have been something unexpected from either console to make the delay so sudden

wtf!!!!!1111

patcher should patch his mouth right up!

nobody knows

the ps3 has 256mb for grafical power. it may have better cpu or gpu or procesors or anything else fanboys want to say ,but the ps3 has 256mb for grafical power. there is no way it can ever look better than the 360 when it has the capabilities to go beyond 256mb for grafics. that is a fact. I own both systems and by the time the ps3 looks better than the 360 i'll be purchesing my 3rd generation xbox. after owning both systems i can say three things 1)the ps3's controller sucks 2) the ps3's grafics card sucks 3)the 360's DVD format and quality sucks

you sir

are an idiot

xbox rules

Hey in my xbox 360 the controllers ring of light flashes periodically does that mean the batteries are finished cause i changed the batteries and it became ok.

360 rules

Hey my xbox 360 controller's ring of light flashes periodically does that mean the batteries finished cause i changed the batteries and it started to work again.

O' Rly x2

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2007/08/02/speculation-on-the-factors-behind-gta-iv-delay.aspx the article explains it all you cant blain the ps3 and that graphics BS you tried to pull with 360 looking better you all should stfu more than half of you dont have both systems and if you do you dont go out and by both. PS3 is not the only one to blaim the article shows you that. what do you want? if the 360 version came out it wouldnt be polished the PS3 version would be better plus it would have added content like oblivion with better textures, better draw distance.

Should keep the date for 360!

Omg, why the hell do they gotta say that they have to release on Sony's system before Microsoft's? Man, I bet if it wasn't like that, it would be released a month earlier for the 360 then the crappy PS3. They just got payed maybe a few million by sony so they don't lose the commitment. Jesus, Sony is sooooo gay.

RealGamer

aka t0sser!!! go back to your scabby xbox site and stay there!!! plus!!! dont call me kid!! im 30 this month so u can kiss my wrinkled ass!! if you didnt buy the wrong console then what the hell are you doing on the ps3 part of qj's site!! and i considered buying an xbox but decided against it because i could see the forthcoming problems of compression to dvd and also heard about the ring of death!!! as well as the fact i wanted to use hdmi for my gaming, so i bought the right console!!!

sonys holdin it cause if it releases on 360 first

true dat brutha

That's not a news site...

It's a damn blog you fanboy. OK, I'm gonna look at the blog of Bill Gates, and take everything he says as fact. Cause I'm a moron who thinks blog sites are news. There is absolutely no proof that it's the 360 version's delay if you read that Sony fanboy's blog. He quotes Sam Houser, who says, "The game is huge and is pushing the hardware platforms to their absolute limits. The top engineers from Sony and Microsoft are working closely with the team in Edinburgh right now, helping us to fully leverage the power of both platforms." Where does it say that the 360 is causing the delay??? The blogger only ASSUMES it. I guess this is how false rumors get started. People take BLOGS as FACTS!!!

Wrong console?

7 million 360s sold in the US. UNDER 2 million for PS3. I wonder which one is the WRONG console! HAHAHAHAHA

STFU!!!!!

Actually 360is the only one with exclusive content on Oblivion....Sorry... Do ur homowork? Ur moms calling you....

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I only want companies concerned about games making game consoles. Nintendo, Sega, and Microsoft only would be great. No alterior motives like blu ray, that are just f*cking people over.

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If Microsoft went away, $ony would introduce a stupid new media format nobody cares about every 4 years and they would use their gaming division to force it onto gamers who only want to play games, while lying about how it somehow makes the games better, when they really don't care about making games in the first place. I'm happy sony is in last place in sales everwhere but Japan, because it sends a strong message most consumers don't like the s*it they're doing.

because....

The 360 version is farther along in development and looks better. Since the PS3 development is lagging behind, the 360 version will hopefully get more time for additional polish. Don't forget the exclusive downloadable content too, wow the 360 version will be so much better. Cue some idiotic remark about ring of death followed by insults and threats. I love pissing off idiots......

Rockstar is going PS3 Exclusive in the future...

http://n4g.com/industrynews/News-57037.aspx So all this talk about PS3 being the problem is f'd up lie.

You're 30?

"aka t0sser!!! go back to your scabby xbox site and stay there!!!" Very childish, just as I expected from you. :) Well great you're 30, but I'm a decade older than you, and given your 'giggling schoolboy' message to 360 owners above, yes I view you as a kid, maybe not physically, but definately mentally (as your post and your response shows). Time you grew up. "if you didnt buy the wrong console then what the hell are you doing on the ps3 part of qj's site" Well I'm on the PS3 site because I have a PS3 and a 360. Sorry, but was that concept to difficult for you? Difficult for kids I guess. ;)

There's a BIG difference...

...between rumour and fact. You ought to know the difference by now!

@steveo119 - Oh and I forgot to add...

"if you didnt buy the wrong console then what the hell are you doing on the ps3 part of qj's site" This topic is ALSO in the XBox 360 section! http://xbox360.qj.net/Pachter-says-PS3-complications-might-have-delayed-GTA-IV/pg/49/aid/99157 An adult mind would have been able to work that out steveo. :P

i dislike the ps3 get over it

some one mentioned futher up that the 360 only has 500 mb of ram but if you look at the ps3 it has half that so i reckon the problem comes from the amount they can fit on a ps3's screen however it could also be caused by the amount of processors the ps3 has which mean they need to divide the work between each one whereas on a 360 they will have less to do disks dont come over with the blu ray c*** because space currently isnt a issue true they can fit more content on a blu ray disk however current compression tools can cope with the data atm because few game developers will try to use the disk completly because it takes more time the only advantage with blu ray is they dont have to compress at the moment

however

in anycase it will most likely be a problem at rockstar it is a shame however that people are taking the fact microsoft has megabucks into this argument if you take a look at sonys history they never make a loss on there products so i am in a huge state of doubt that there is any money exchanging hands as neither company would wish to sullly its reputation as sony has never made a loss this would sting very deep and as for microsoft currently they have nothing to lose and if ps3 has ensured they are getting the game you dont need a bigwig to tell you that exchanging money at this point is as good as taking truck load of money a fuel can and some matches out to your local field

mrs common sense sucks *****

mr common ***** go shag bill gates arsehole!!! sony pisses on microsoft.

dildo

yeah u have a life, a girlfriend and have gotton laid more times than people.....on the F8CKING SIMS HAHAH. hardcore gamer? more like hardcore gayboy. p.s mr commong sense sticks his d1ck in his xbox 360 and f8cks it up.

my ***** is small thats a short description har har

i bum bill gates and x***** 360. oh im so gay for microsoft. oh yeah my prick is 2 inches.