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"Next-Gen starts when I say so", says Mark Rein |
Listed in: PS3, Xbox 360 Tags: China, Epic Games, London Games Festival, Mark Rein, playstation 3 updates, Unreal Engine
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Epic Games VP Mark Rein was very much the entertainer during his stay at the London Games Festival's first event, GDC London. During his talk about Unreal Engine 3 and Gears of War, he proudly declared this: "Sony says the next generation starts when they say so - bullshit!"He also added that Gears as a "second-gen" Xbox 360 title is likely to look better than PS3 launch titles. Of course Playstation fans will probably counter with, "How did the Xbox 360 launch title look?"
Flame-bait-topic aside, Rein showed some Gears of War Xbox 360 preview stuff, and explained that they are currently doing their best to get the Unreal Engine 3 for the PS3 to work better. According to Rein, they "have a couple of worried customers" who are concerned about UE3's performance on the said console.
By the way, this may be a bit off-tangent, but in regards to their supposed "sweatshops" (more like subsidiaries) in China, Rein says that "Shanghai is a little too expensive for a sweatshop." They say they're paying top salary. I guess that just because it's in Asia it doesn't necessarily mean that it's cheap.
So here we go again to the never-ending question. What's better, PS3 or Xbox 360? I'll stick to my opinion that it's the games and the developers' abilities to push gaming to the next level, and not the console hardware itself. What do you guys think?
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They seem to be getting the very same franchises again, so yeah... PS3 for me.
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Restance doesnt even look good graphic wise.
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"i cant believe you just said that restance fall of man will be just as good as GoW.
Restance doesnt even look good graphic wise."
spell right budy.go to school.and ya Resistance looks better than any other fps in 360.tht guy(EPIC) just has a big mouth thats all.
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That said, I aggree that game selection is the only thing that matters since the gap graphical capabilities between the systems are miniscule. Besides, good looking games can still suck, no matter how pretty they are.
Still, why would you post this article? You just like starting fanboy wars don't you?
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However, just to prove I'm not powered by Windows: I thought White Knight looked incredible [waits for playable demo footage].
And as for 2nd gen Xbox 360 games versus 1st gen PS3 games, you'd be foolish to think they haven't been in production for an extremely similar length of time.
If I sound like a fanboy, it's only because I'm tired of people making blatantly inaccurate observations when as subjective as this entire debate is, objectivity is still freely available and in abundance should you have the willpower to manage it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z32u9amUkbk
i love this video because, simply put, it shows that there is really nothing about Gears of War that stands out other than it's pretty visuals.
at the very least, this game will be fun, but it will, by no means, be the "be all, end all," of gaming. it's a 3rd person shooter. of which there are a dime a dozen. so far, i've seen nothing unique about Gears of War other than the chainsaw attachment to the gun of the typical, buff and surly protagonist.
people really need to rein in their expectations about this game (no pun intended). too many games have suffered from the hype train (Fable, anyone?).
as for Resistance, yes, it's a game set in the 1950's. yes the hero is battling an alien species, but it does seem to be actively trying to do something different. the storyline is intriguing, the weapons are unique, the enemies look creepy. and WWII never happened. already, that sets it apart from every other WWII game out there. how many times can they recycle the same scenarios in each WWII games? how many Market Gardens actually happened back then?
at least Insomniac has an original story to tell, even though the backdrop is a familiar one.
i haven't played Gears of War, but i have played Resistance. it was a lot of fun, and so far, the story appeals to me more than that which is in Gears. i have high hopes for them both, but only one of them is set to impress people greatly if it exceeds expections (and it's looking like it will), while the other will be panned to no end if it doesn't live up to it's hype. who has more to lose?
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You just contradicted your own statement. You said Sony shouldn't be allowed to make "arrogantm jackass statement like that..." while you give the right for Mark Rein to override them with his own "arrogantm jackass statement..." Stop being a fanboy and spell arrogant right.
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I have to disagree with Gears being a run-of-the-mill 3rd person shooter. It's entire play mechanic is 'unique'. Sure, you can take cover in other games, but it's merely an option. Here it's a necessity, and from what I can tell, looks to make for an enjoyable change.
While I stand by all I've said, I admit, the hype machine creates as many - if not more - losers than it does winners. And it's in full-effect right now, no console or game excluded. This next-gen console war is more like a scrap fight between two gossiping, hair-pulling pre-teen brothers and their little sister who does her best to stay out of it and ends up being rewarded by the parents.
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Dont get me wrong, i own a 360 too (BIDADDYTIM=xbl) and i look forward to this game... but what he said is complete bull*****!
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Oh, and to all the people saying "Resistance looks better", have you seen videos of it? I lost absolutely all interest in that game after watching the TGS screencaptures.
Lol #6, I think you're the only one who needs to go back to school here. Ever heard of punctuation?
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F--k that, PistolSmoke is right. Sony is arrogant, they act like they own the gaming world and always will. S--t happens in this biz, ya know? You release a handheld with crap games, shoot your mouth off about a console thats only marginaly more powerful then the other guys, then BAM! Your the new Sega. PS3 will be top dog for this gen, but not by as much as you think. In business things go really wrong very quickly when you start telling the customer what they want. Anyway... my 2 cents.
FLAME ON FLAMERS!
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Anyway graphics are secondary in my opinion. Yes they do help, but it is the greatness of the game that counts.
Gran Turismo wouldn't be the title it is today if it wasn't for the fact that the producer loves cars. He put his heart and soul into the title and it shows.
Virtua Fighter -there is no substitute period. No bouncy breast are going to convince me otherwise.
Metal Gear Solid- Without Kogima's love and knowledge of cinema, it wouldn't be the same game. (Look at Splinter Cell, it is a great game,but it is missing that hollywood like magic that MG has)
Notice how Ico and Shadow of Colosus look rough compared to XBOX games, but they are great games not riding on graphics alone.
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R F O M is going to be better when its naturally at a disadvantage being a launch title. Epic has had a long time to fine tune their game and so far it shows. Im extremely stoked about GoW....However if it sucks it sucks! I'll be the judge not some MS hater or MS robot! Oh and by the way I will be getting the ps3 anyway and adding it to my collection(xbox 360,ps2,gamecube ,dreamcast,xbox ,and my original nintendo still in its original box!.....any yes I still play all of them!!!)
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I am only excited for Resistance because it is suppossed to have great multiplayer. (40 people on a map)
LOL, I think its funny how he denies the rumor that the game only offers 10 hrs of gameplay and then says there's "at least 12 hrs" LOL, big difference...
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And #14, GoW isnt an alien invasion, read up and find out what the story of the game is, seeing as its not even set on Earth...
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On a side note has anyone who actually owns a 360 seen the Lost Planet Multiplayer video on the marketplace? It looks Yummy. :)~
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"i love this video because, simply put, it shows that there is really nothing about Gears of War that stands out other than it's pretty visuals."
"Other than its pretty visuals"
"at the very least, this game will be fun, but it will, by no means, be the be all, end all,"
At the very least it will be fun? So at the most it will be what more than fun? Isnt fun part "standing out"?
"so far, i've seen nothing unique about Gears of War other than the chainsaw attachment to the gun of the typical, buff and surly protagonist."
Other than the chainsaw comment and your obvious insecurity about not being buff or surly, How many Squad based, TPS, with lucust/humans(two legged) as the enemy, destructible environments, cover fire on another planet games are out there?
"i haven't played Gears of War, but i have played Resistance. it was a lot of fun, and so far, the story appeals to me more than that which is in Gears."
So you see, you have already played R F O M so it is nothing new. The story you feel is so original is already old news! Case closed
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one month is a long way from now??? The developers have stated many times that it supports 40 players online.
"Besides so far Sony's online play is a joke. Socom anyone?"
I agree the PS2 online netwrok was a joke. But before the 360 launch there were more people playing socom online than there were people with LIVE accounts.
Also, that was the PS2, the PS3 network is not going to be anything like it. It should be pretty much exactly like live, but free online gaming, and you'll have to pay for demos, music and movies.
"Speculation is fine when you are a lawyer as a gamer I want to see actual "Gameplay footage". Nothing rendered=fake, screenshots or rumors."
Where were you during TGS??? Tell ya what, go to IGN... you can find all the gameplay footage you want there.
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Only XBox 360 fans give a **** about Unreal 3 engine and Gears Of War.
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4#30 duuuuuh! You are on a xbox site moron! Why would ps3 fans be on this site or care about a 360 game enough to make comments? Truth maybe you should answer that.
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Listen bro, I can only go off of what the devs are saying. There is an article on IGN where they talk pretty much entirely about the multiplayer. It sounds great, and thus I am excited for it.
Likewise for the Playstation network. I can only go off of what they are promoting.
Can they change their minds??? yeah, but unitl they do thats what I'm going with... as oppossed to you who just screams LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!!!
I hope you stick around after the release... I promise I won't make you eat all of your foot ;)
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Um, this is what my URL says:
http://ps3.qj.net/index.php?&pg=49&aid=68209&act=success
Notice it says PS3.qj.... I think you are lost.
Mmmm... foot in mouth
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Next time your playing your 360, Pull that ms c*ck out of your mouth and look at the controller... it looks an awful lot like the playstation controller thats been out for years... so that must mean that the 360 controller is also fps unfriendly... but oh yea i forgot that it shakes... cause everyone on Gods green earth know that if you want to make a bad ass game than the controller better shake.....
am i the only one that thought that vibrating controllers was just a big gimmik and kind of lame... I always thought that fps were better on a pc but you dont see people throwing fits cause their keyboard doesnt shake off the desk...
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Does it bother anyone else that this guy is swearing at press confrence where hes promoting something that is played mostly by kids... go head and yell at me for that last comment but its just a thought
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http://xbox360.qj.net/-Next-Gen-starts-when-I-say-so-says-Mark-Rein/pg/49/aid/68209#comments.
So what! Its still a 360 game!
Truth even though you'd proably not admit it, your last post is an apology enough. You can only go by what a dev says. So Im a dev and i say all this bull and you lick it up until you find out that its not true? Hoy burned are you? I only harbour this skeptisism because Sony has lied so many time about stuff in the past. We were supposed to be playing it already. Im not willing to take it as gospel like you apparently are. I own both sony consoles so I dont have a hardcore loyalty. but we will see whos eat'n what this november :,{)
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http://xbox360.qj.net/-Next-Gen-starts-when-I-say-so-says-Mark-Rein/pg/49/aid/68209#comments.
So what! Its still a 360 game!"
You're the one that called this a 360 forum...
And yes, I'll with what the devs said. Sony has lied, but no more than MS. It's not like they (Insomniac) are spouting VR, they are only saying they will have support 40 players online... Maybe you consider that incredible... I think it's about time...
I'll go with what Insomniac is saying a month before they release the game over what you are pulling out of your ass.
And no offense but it is pretty obvious that the spring launch date was just to keep people from buying a 360. If you bit on that one, its your own fault...
And you could be right about Resistance and the network... but where's your source? Where are your facts? Right now, you have the devs saying one thing, and you saying BS...
AND... how does me going off what the devs say make me a liar??? You lack logic bro...
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There is a (very) general consensus between those that have played FPS/TPS on both the Xbox 360 and Playstation 2, that the PS2 controller is not optimised for playing said games.
Does the 360 controller have similarities with the PS1/PS2 controller? Sure, it's irrefutable. That's because it's a standard design, proven successful by the Playstation brand. I'd venture to say that the Dreamcast, Xbox, Xbox 360, and Gamecube all borrowed from the Playstation controller.
The Xbox 360 controller - in my opinion - is more ergonomic than the PS1/PS2 controller. In addition, the left analog stick is positioned in a more appropriate way (at least for FPS/TPS), and they provide more resistance.
Force feedback is not a requirement. Perhaps I over-emphasized it's importance before. But as you can surely see from visiting gaming blogs (see Kotaku, Joystiq), force feedback is very popular among gamers, and many were/are disapointed at it's removal. I personally find that force feedback adds to the immersion level of a game, particularly that of FPS/TPS and racing games. I can, however, understand your feeling that it's a mere gimmick - I'll politely disagree.
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From your earlier post
"For someone with the tag Truth youd think you would use it more."
I guess it just sounds like you're calling me a liar...
" Maybe you are naive or desperate but not a liar."
naive maybe... but again, its just a larger mulitplayer, it's not that out of this world...
yeah, yeah I know I have to consider the source, but the source is still the best thing out there and again, launch is one month away.
desperate??? hardly... not sure where you came up with that. i guess you were going for an insult... that's weak sauce.
Going back to my original post that you jumped all over...
"I am only excited for Resistance because it is suppossed to have great multiplayer. (40 people on a map)" #24
Note the SUPPOSSED part of that. I don't see any singing of praise or pronouncing that everything the devs say is CONFIRMED. I, my friend, am quite objective.
And yes, i will have some more kool-aid.
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rumble was a NICE feature... it's removal saddens me.
And all those that call it a gimmick, please tell me what the titl function is then???
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the 360 version and dual shock to have many similiarites. As filter said, every controller after the PS1 evolved from the dual shock
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Action; Heavenly Sword, Devil May Cry, Ni-Oh, etc.
FPS; Resistance, Unreal, Call of duty, etc.
RPG; Final Fantasy XIII, White knight story, unknown realms, etc.
Racing: Fatal inertia, GTHD, enough said.
Sports; all the multiplatform goodies, Everybody loves golf *or whatever it's called* the tennis one too, etc etc.
That is enough games to beat the crap out of the Xbox360, and the PS3 is not even out yet, the titles are looking really good.
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As for the controller I used to think the dual schock was the best thing since sliced bread..was is the correct term. The new 360 controller is now my favorite. Not one cramp complaint after several hours of gaming. Now all I have to wait for is the wireless head set. Happy days are hear again!!!
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Fighting : Tekken and Virtual fighter
Mech: Exclusive now? Armored core, Gundam, and ZOE3.
Stealth: MGS4, different Tenchu version then the 360, etc.
Of course there are a lot more I missed out ;).
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Besides, wouldn't you think next-gen starts with sony? I think a certain Microsoft came out at tgs and announced 1080p, Sony glory resolution. If next-gen started with MS, then why didn't they release 1080p out of the box? And truth be told, more than half of playstation owners can give less about online play. Micosoft can keep it's online shooting/racing/racing shooter, I'll stick with offline crazy cool single player games.
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And I didn't contradict myself. For one, Sony's statement is far more *****y than Mark's. While Sony declares that nothing Microsoft has done up to this point is irrelevant, Mark merely states that Gears looks better than any first tier PS3 games, which may well be true. Secondly, even if Mark's statement had been equally arrogant, it would be fine because he is only saying it to pimp slap Sony and keep them in check from making statements that are blatantly untrue.
I stand by my statement, and challenge your sexuality. Good say, sir.
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It's ironic that you use statistics to affirm your claim that "more than half of playstation owners can give less about online play" when, immediately prior to this you speak of 1080P as the only true next-gen video output, which more than 90% of gamers don't own a compatible TV for.
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(if this is ps3s best maybe i shouldn't be getting one)
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/resistance/e3/1.jpg
Now heres Gears of war
http://gry.o2.pl/upload/files/e32006_p4_Gears-of-War.jpg
its a pretty big difference Gears of War > Resistence
Both are pictures of real time.
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As for the 1080p scheme, I used it more of a mockery of Microsoft, who's hypocrisy seem to make them stronger each day. While Sony, who profusely talked about 1080p in the beginning, had this in mind all along. Sure blu-ray movies could be the culprit but hey, If I knew I could set my ps2 on pro-scan in the future—with a tv set better than my bulky tube—then I’d have been waiting for that tv price to drop. Truth is, get over the CURRENT fact that less than whatever minuet percent has a 1080p set, ever try to imagine prices going down, technology advancing ahead? Hell I don’t have a 1080p tv, but when I do get a tele with true HD resolution, there’s a little peace of mind knowing that it’s there, ready to get the full treatment.
Lastly, seriously: most ps2 owners don’t give a crap for online (exclude Socom fans). It was never a big deal, and seeing how publishers are monopolizing what used to be free content, I don’t want to see my ps2 games ever go online. First I pay a subscribing fee, then pay for content? No thanks, just give me my adventure that I paid 50 bucks for. Christ I wrote to much again.
and just to fit in, Gears of War looks kick ass. I personally prefer it to Resistance. Why? Cause of it's blend of crazy concepts and original flavor. over the shoulder? RE4. Wall hugging? MGS. Blind fire? Killswitch was it? Burley buff American marines kicking ass and taking names? I dunno...I give props to the landscape though, It's amazing how they thought up a quite European city (half life 2) and mixing it up with aliens ruling it (half life 2) and then having a final showdown of a last resistance (half life 2!).
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I'll second that Microsoft is rather hypocritical. However, they are about business, and consistency doesn't always translate well to paper. I'd like to note that Sony isn't exactly innocent either. We could discuss their claim that force feedback and motion control cannot co-exist, to their recent claim that force feedback was removed to prevent additional costs for the consumer.
I don't know all the details about HDMI and 1080P. I can understand the comfort of HDMI being available in your console should you eventually purchase a 1080P capable TV. However, I honestly don't think technology will advance to the point where 1080P (40'+) TVs will become so inexpensive within the next 3 years that they'll be in the majority of gamer's homes. Any more than 3 years, and we'll see how the tide changes.
Gaming online (via Live) is integral for me. It increases replayability, and I happen to have friends in multiple countries. As for the XBL Marketplace and PS3's equivalent, generally speaking, I think it's a scam (see EA's recent offering). Although, the line between premium content and that which was removed from the game to later be sold for a premium is too blurred to comment on.
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As for the tv biz, understand that lcds and plasmas have come a long way in acouple years. And with the advent of SED coming, it looks to be prices and technology will continue to follow the course. I was actually going to comment on the EA bull***** but didn't want to link it. You see that crap they're trying to pull? Same goes for Grand Turismo, this concept of digital distrobution looks like junk. And lastly, why no love for my Gears description? took me awhile to write...and is it city 17? wtf is that city called again??
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/suggests we start a petition for Microsoft/Sony to put restrictions on digital distribution of 'added premium' content.
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