New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? |
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Remember that patent filed by Sony recently that was rumored to be their response to the GeoHotz exploit for the PS3? Well, it looks like that's not the end of the story.
Linux Product Manager, Owen Stampflee, posted on their forums that a new PS3 FW update is in the works, and it's meant to remove the OtherOS feature.
According to his post over at the YellowDog Linux forums:
"Everyone,
I've caught a rumor from a reputable source that the next firmware update for old PS3s will remove the OtherOS feature...
I'm not sure if it's true or not but it's in the bset interest of the YDL community to spread the word."
So spread the word guys. We'll be keeping our eyes peeled for any confirmation on this.
Via [YellowDog-Board]
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I'm a big fan of playstation but if Sony keeps this up, they're going to find that they're eroding all that loyalty and goodwill with their customers.
In a roundabout way it might actually be helpful to the ps3 hacking scene, though: up until now the guys who hack every freakin' electronic device in existence to run linux haven't needed to bother with the ps3 (unless they wanted it on a slim or wanted access to the gpu). If Sony takes away linux, it'll mean increased effort on the part of hackers, which will make it more likely that new hacks will be found.
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~Kannagi
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Not that im saying that removing features is a great response, but honestly, people had to be aware that there would be some fallout when someone announced they had found an exploit.
And lets face it... its not like many people use the function anyway, i know ten people with PS3's, and i am the only one that even tested out the whole Linux/yellow dog thing. and it was entertaining for about an hour.. and has subsequently never been used.
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but on topic, this is a sad update if true, its like sony wants to lose money AGAIN =\ first they get back into the game with slim and close to getting a profit, and now they want to charge for PSN features not online gaming but without that a paid PSN would cause problems with people who have cross chat adn done not to mention a real lack of things that could justify the price, and now theres talk of removing other OS... one of the biggest features of the ps3 *i recall many were sad when slim lost it* I think this is just silly... the damage has been done by geohotz exploit, those who want a CFW ps3 have already used it and got what was needed, and will not update anyways so its not like this will do anything but divide the community and cause many people to leave =\
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it's all about legalities and knowing the loopholes.... not spewing made up bullshit to pass off as truth
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try again.... since atari days end user agreement states removal of the software from it's original form is illegal.
but hey what would I know... I could be prying on ignorance for my own advancement...
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You do realize that it can't hurt developers anymre, since they don't sell that games anymore? Just saying....
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One day the PS3 will be obsolete too. So, we are just getting a jump on the emulators! Whats the difference "legally" between a NES rom, and a PS3 rom? By the definition of the user above, its only illegal to separate the software from the medium. So, I guess OWNING software that "has been" separated from the medium is not illegal? which makes a PS3 Bluray dump just as illegal as a nes rom dump.
On the story though, I doubt sony thinks removing otherOS will do anything to the hack from geohot. Last I saw, nothing interesting had come from it anyway. Why do you think he passed his code on? He realized it was going to take 3 or 4 lifetimes to sort through the data. This has created an access port to the workings of the system. but if the keys are locked down as hard as they say they are, it will take a long time to get anything usefull from it.
No way sony would risk removing otheros and piss off millions of users! not yet at least
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now if hardware with the software tethered to it was the only thing released to the public....
only a complete jackass would come to the conclusion that owning the software that was illegally separated is somehow legal...
you see why I called him a jackass? that sort of logic is comparable to the likes of a 6 year old. I pirate stuff, but I KNOW it's illegal, I dont try to make excuses or justifications for my actions.
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Your first statement was "try again....." then continued on to say that it was illegal to separate software from hardware. Your statement was directed at the guy who tried to tell you owning roms was just as illegal as owning a BD copy.
So, you were trying to say that somehow it is not legal to seperate the hardware, but that roms are legal.
If it was bad word choice, and you were trying to support his statement, then maybe you need to go back to school and finish grade 6.
My point was that the guy who told you roms are illegal, was right, and your statement is wrong. No matter how you want to look at it.
The argument that the dev no longer makes money off the game is entirely wrong! Look at the wii. I can BUY copies of many old games that people are running on emu's. The devs get a kick back from heir game being re-sold. So, every time someone distributes a rom, they are taking money that they could have had through virtual console on the wii. Hence stealing!
I am not saying that I dont do it. I pirate games too. I am just saying it is wrong. I realize it is, and I do it anyway. I dont have much tolerance for guys that try to justify it somehow. Its wrong, and no argument can make it right. The law dictates that. Try taking your case to court and see how it fairs. If you win, I will change my stance. But stealing is stealing. And playing roms that have been ripped from the hardware, is stealing.
:end rant:
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Removal of software from hardware is illegal. as owning the illegally ripped software... simple enough for you? if the swear owning the hard copy makes it legal to illegally obtain the software... IT'S STILL ILLEGAL. I honestly think you were over complicating what I was saying. I wasnt saying anything about it being legal. I was stating, "you can lie to yourself all you want, you are still breaking the law..." simple enough for you? I dont see how any of that can even be compared to a sixth grade education....
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Are people from greece dyslexic snide assholes too?
Severe delusions of grandeur much?
Maybe you should go back to using one of your other aliases now little one
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either way I explained myself many times
dyslexic asshole... thats a good one, mommy help you out with that one... not only is it a race of people it is also a term of simple mindedness. so you sign under a different name, does that mean everyone does? nope. I am either HakatoX or Nate P... how many names you got. I walk and talk the same either way AND I have the right to be a dyslexic asshole. thank you for noticing
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I'm sure the simple minded dyslexic asshole meant to say that... Seeing as how he "walks and talks the same" esing natep or hypocritex... even though he only posts under one
LMAO, get over yourself child
You definitely must work for gamestop
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on the subject of old games that aren't sold anymore
How is it wrong? who loses out if its not being sold anymore?
maybe you think games should just die out and no-one should play them anymore because its illegal?
fuck the legality!
Do you really believe the people that created those old games would hate the fact someone is playing their game- that you cant buy anymore- for free? some might (probably the publishers) but I'd bet most would be happy that people are still enjoying their creation, wouldn't you??
money isnt everything niether is the law.
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they ALWAYS remove features..
they did with the ps1.
they did with the ps2.
they did with the psp, however they added stuff to.. still though.
and they did with the ps3.
used to love sony, but fuck'm. they treat there customers like shit so there company can go to hell.
I really don't care if this rumor is true or false cause everything i just said if true. otherOS would just be ANOTHER thing removed, if this is true.
so official, sony.. FUCK YOU.
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and we arent talking HARDWARE REVISIONS
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with the ps1, they removed hardware, just like every other console they made.
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what did they take out that you couldnt replace? PS2 ... the removed HD casing and gave you USB drive support.
splitting hairs here guy... they never really REMOVED any features aside from the PS2 support..... ooooooo cry a river over an old system that can be bought for 20-75.00... nothing to raise ire over. seriously name ONE major feature removed... and then site me any laws stating they cant improve, remove or alter their device that they hold the patent and licensing for...
when you buy that system or game there are laws tied to that hardware... open that manual or book and read the small print..... they even say upon purchase they can make software revisions (hence firmware updates) and you may own the hardware THEY (Sony) own the software and can adjust it how they see fit.
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but your generalization really points out who the idiot really is.
FEATURE... not hardware you jackass... what have they REMOVED that limited anything? is that simple enough for you?
hardware revision are nothing new....
been happening since the production of the model T by ford.... even before then with colt pistols and browning rifles.
It's called business, you dolt.
You can cast stones all you want, but you are just a consumer, you have absolutely NO STAKE IN THIS. aside from the loss of a feature that can be done elsewhere... OMG OMG OMG you want to talk stupid people, how bout the basement troll crying over the loss of a feature when I am sure there is someone in your family who could really use the time better... life is short bud...
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and here you are, trolling it away
You sound like a typical snide Gamestop employee.
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I think this rumour is BS tbh as I'm fairly sure its illiegal. I mean what if theres ppl who bought ps3 solely for Linux.They now have a 400 euro shiny box.
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it's even written in the manual.
if that was the case ANY firmware update would be illegal.
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But anyway, PS3 is a gaming console system, having Linux and etc is just a bonus.
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And also I think I read somewhere that the PS3 included the "otheros" feature to market the PS3 as a desktop computer in order to avoid paying higher import taxes. But I don't know if that was real or not.
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It's not a bonus, it's part of the console. It's not a gaming console, it's an entertainment center. Nothing is a "bonus" in a PS3, it's what you pay for.. If they remove the OtherOS, that's effectively going backwards and removing a feature that people do actually use.
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hear hear
and seeing as most people with a ps3 with that feature payed full price makes it even worse
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And For all The people Who use The PS3 solely as a Computer (Research Depts.) they don't need to update there FW as they don't play games on them.
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You were given a feature only then to be abused...in the form of exploiting the system for we know what reasons (and don't bullSh~t that it's for homebrew because the only thing that this scene is really waiting for is an ISO loader). Whether they get rid of it.... It's there choice. There already losing money on the console and online services itself... to lose it's games revenue will only kill the damn thing.
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this game was Halo 3 one of the biggest XB360 game, you pay for the game, with its full list of modes, then when first map pack came big team battle required that dlc, leaving those without it out of Big team battle.
they got away with it.
you might say it's not the same, but you paid for that mode, and it was removed.
Maybe we should just sue bungie?
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If this occurs, there will be a lawsuit on Sony so fast they will have no choice but to reinstate the otherOS feature.
You cannot combat piracy be simply removing features. You have to work harder than the pirates and place more security in the console the old fashioned way. This is lazy on Sony's part.
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Then you're up for a big surprise... if this does come up to be true... In all it's legality, whether you like it or not, was OtherOS ever promised to us consumers that it would always be there? No right?... all the rights still belong to sony. It's quite a complicated legal system we have and hell.... if you were ever to really read the agreement when you first started to run your PS3.... well, guess who that favors.. definitely not you.
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Quote:
you're an idiot.
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so...sony dont fuck with us....
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This will lead to a backlash where people will have a genuine excuse to hack the system and this WILL lead to a lot more people trying to hack it. I'm not saying they will succeed, but this will give people a LOT more motivation.
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So yeah, just dont update or just buy another ps3, only like $400 now right? then sell it off when hack is available :)
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What about the 10's or 1000's or people that actually use the other OS feature like they had intended.
what about i use PS3 a processor.
the army just bought 1,300 Ps3's for that use only, and so did Stanford and Yale.
so i doubt this is legit. they will patch it but if they remove it they are boycotting a huge market that they no is there and they no people use it.just like 360 did. . and sony does not care about u emulating anything except Sony's software and games. and they give u PSN for that and cheap to.. so stfu u idiots . just like 360 did.
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Whats next??
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2. The exploit required hardware modification.
3. Fuck you.
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for several reasons and i dont want to pirate,
i want full access to the damn otheros,
ever since i wanted all (6) SPEs and the f'in RSX,
you could do so much with it.
For the dumb ones look up Sony ZEGO,
its more or less 1:1 a PS3 just in another case,
with full SPE usage (8).
Copied games lol its not like the PS2, or Xbox1,
games are getting bigger and bigger,
but yeah hdds also...
even if,
backups are needed as there are games that tend to hang when the disc has almost no dust/scratches
Yeah FU all,
FU Pirate Haters
FU Pirates
FU Sony
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Regardless, I'm pretty sure that THIS IS why they're doing it, but they SHOULDN'T go about fixing problems this way. That kid's (Geohot's) code is so piss simple to patch that I couldn't even begin to explain... Those guys at Sony are fucking stupid if they do it only for this reason, so I'm sure someone somewhere might have found a greater hole.
And lastly, there are people like me in this world who want to see a PS3 exploited for actual homebrew usage. I want to run my own code on that box (other than under linux, ofc), and not some shit pirated game I don't have the patience to play anyway.
Bottom Line: HACKERS =/= WAREZ SCENERS
Learn the difference or point a gun at yourself, your choice.
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Sony could be missing out on a very big opportunity here.
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My only issue.... would Sony removing the other OS function just remove the ability to access it or would it also remove the Linux Distro and the partition we have allotted to it and merge it back with the main hard drive? I've wanted to get rid of it but I don't want to have to download all my crap all over again and do backups and whatnot.
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It's not like Sony would have wanted it there anyway, the bastards never gave us full RSX access and full SPU access.
Regardless, if I'd ever see the day that the fat ones get cheaper, I'm buying myself the most inexpensive render farm ever (but then again, no GPU so hah)!
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They include OtherOS for us, go and claim the PS3 is unhackable, and when a genius actually does something, they remove OtherOS. Sad, really.
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Sony touted the PS3 an a entertainment hub and not just a gaming system. A system where you could play games, listen to music, view pictures, surf the Internet, watch movies, etc.
First off, Sony removed the PS2 compatibility for models, removed OtherOS from the slim and now they want to remove OtherOS from all systems.
I will refuse to update to the new firmware if it removes OtherOS because I use it.
I own both an XBOX 360 and a 60 GB PS3. Guess it looks like the PS3 won't have any features that the 360 has expect the Internet browser. What's next, Sony removing the Internet browser.
If Sony removes the otherOS feature, I smell a class action lawsuit.
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because people dont make the money that was given to ur mom and dad dont means the multimillion dollar corp is RIGHT to change the system for what it was bought for?! fuck that , i bought it to "do everything" as they said including use otheros.i dotn hack,exploit, or anything except play games and go on net.its people like you who defend companies that do that , is the reason they do that and get away with it.
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Even Mr. Stampflee said that that he's "not sure if it's true or not".
Is it not sufficient to just *calmly* ask Sony *not* to remove the OtherOS feature? Yeesh.
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Sadly I already seen this coming, I have an orig fat ps3 with ps2 backwards capability. As soon as I heard there was a legit hack for the fat I got on amazon and bought a new slim so I can take my fat offline so a new firmware won't cripple it and won't risk getting my psn account banned. Yeah I had to shell out another $300 for another ps3 but apparently the blu-ray drives are going bunk in all the fat models anyway so I figured why not...
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Since the exploit runs on the OtherOS capability of the phat PS3s.
Also, lol, it is not a memory buffer under-run... Silly little man.
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The Geohot exploit requires you to a hardware modification to make it run. So while it uses OtherOs, you still have to do a modification to make it work. So Sony, can work to block the modification or go the easy route and get rid of OtherOs.
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Kind of pathetic how this "community" has become... really...
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I am but an innocent bystander in this whole ordeal of piracy and whatnot, why must I have my old PS3's features cut down? This won't end well.
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even gave ya a +1 vote:)
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I agree totally. Even though it's a rumor, if Sony decides to remove the OtherOs from all PS3's, I'll be pissed.
If Sony can remove the OtherOs, what would stop them from releasing a firmware that disables older PS3's from playing PS1/PS2 Games.
BTW: I own a 60 GB PS3 (upgraded HDD to 250 GB)
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The legality of it, is a grey area really, because it's software, which means you don't get the same rights that things like hardware get. If the feature was on the box of the PS3 (I don't know, but i'll look tonight) then there will probably be a case to look into, but because the update states that you will lose and the terms and conditions state that it will be removed and what will happen if you don't update (all online features won't work).
On the case of Homebrew, this is another grey area in law, to have the ROM on your computer isn't illegal provided that you paid for a copy (e.g. I bought secret of mana and have a copy on my mac, not illegal) however the emulator is more or less illegal unless the emulator doesn't use any coding from the original console. If it does then it is illegal, it is still a grey area if you own the console in the first place.
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