New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature?

Posted Feb 19, 2010 at 7:18AM by Mabie A. Listed in: PS3 Tags: Linux

linux-on-ps3 Remember that patent filed by Sony recently that was rumored to be their response to the GeoHotz exploit for the PS3? Well, it looks like that's not the end of the story.

Linux Product Manager, Owen Stampflee, posted on their forums that a new PS3 FW update is in the works, and it's meant to remove the OtherOS feature.

According to his post over at the YellowDog Linux forums:

"Everyone,

I've caught a rumor from a reputable source that the next firmware update for old PS3s will remove the OtherOS feature...

I'm not sure if it's true or not but it's in the bset interest of the YDL community to spread the word."

So spread the word guys. We'll be keeping our eyes peeled for any confirmation on this.

Via [YellowDog-Board]

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Comments

# ... — Six And Nine 2010-02-19 02:48

Only Sony..

# RE: ... — Guest 2010-02-21 22:20

"It only keeps you from doing everything"

+4 # RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Guest 2010-02-19 03:01

Seems like Sony is trying a little too hard to crack down on piracy. I mean, yeah, it sucks for them that piracy is happening, but you've gotta' draw a line somewhere when it comes to anti-piracy methods. Taking away linux (is it only supposed to prevent future otheros installs or will it disable existing ones too?) is taking it to an extreme. Just like making people who buy used copies of the socom for psp pay an extra $20 to play online is extreme. Personally, I think they should pat themselves on the back for keeping the ps3 unhacked for as long as they did, not punish everybody (everybody who uses linux, anyway).

I'm a big fan of playstation but if Sony keeps this up, they're going to find that they're eroding all that loyalty and goodwill with their customers.

In a roundabout way it might actually be helpful to the ps3 hacking scene, though: up until now the guys who hack every freakin' electronic device in existence to run linux haven't needed to bother with the ps3 (unless they wanted it on a slim or wanted access to the gpu). If Sony takes away linux, it'll mean increased effort on the part of hackers, which will make it more likely that new hacks will be found.

# RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Guest 2010-02-19 04:02

It's a Sony
~Kannagi

-2 # It's false — Techni 2010-02-19 04:12

GeoHotz' exploit had nothing to do with OtherOS

+1 # RE: It's false — Guest 2010-02-19 04:47

WRONG. Look up how the exploit works. OtherOS is needed, otherwise you cannot get that kind of access to the hardware without first having a linux distro on the machin.

# Um no — Guest 2010-02-22 21:06

GeoHotz' exploit had nothing to do with OtherOS and everything to do with pinging a specific port on the motherboard with specific data at a specific moment during bootup. OtherOS wasnt used

-2 # Self inflicted — Guest 2010-02-19 04:54

In all honesty - what did people expect Sony to do? Piracy crippled the PSP for a good period of time, and Piracy continues to dog the PC market.
Not that im saying that removing features is a great response, but honestly, people had to be aware that there would be some fallout when someone announced they had found an exploit.
And lets face it... its not like many people use the function anyway, i know ten people with PS3's, and i am the only one that even tested out the whole Linux/yellow dog thing. and it was entertaining for about an hour.. and has subsequently never been used.

# What about Zerojay now? — Henkibojj 2010-02-19 04:55

Well, that's just great. Just when we have found something really useful in Linux, Sony blocks it. And I'm not talking about Geohotz, I'm talking about the Zerojay project. I don't care about CFW on the PS3, I just want to emulate SNES games and such. Now just because some wiseguy has found a hardware mod, we won't be able to do what was legal in the first place. Thanks a lot, Sony, you're screwing us again.

+1 # uhh — victorinox 2010-02-19 06:00

you do relize that using emulators and not owning the hard copy is as illegal as stealing a BD disc game right? just saying...

but on topic, this is a sad update if true, its like sony wants to lose money AGAIN =\ first they get back into the game with slim and close to getting a profit, and now they want to charge for PSN features not online gaming but without that a paid PSN would cause problems with people who have cross chat adn done not to mention a real lack of things that could justify the price, and now theres talk of removing other OS... one of the biggest features of the ps3 *i recall many were sad when slim lost it* I think this is just silly... the damage has been done by geohotz exploit, those who want a CFW ps3 have already used it and got what was needed, and will not update anyways so its not like this will do anything but divide the community and cause many people to leave =\

# ANY DATA REMOVED — Guest 2010-02-19 06:14

any data removed from a purchased product with an end user agreement is illegal unless consent is present....
it's all about legalities and knowing the loopholes.... not spewing made up bullshit to pass off as truth

# Well... — Guest 2010-02-19 21:21

You do consent the moment you decide to upgrade the FW.

-1 # RE: uhh — HakatoX 2010-02-19 07:02

Quoting victorinox:

you do relize that using emulators and not owning the hard copy is as illegal as stealing a BD disc game right? just saying...

try again.... since atari days end user agreement states removal of the software from it's original form is illegal.
but hey what would I know... I could be prying on ignorance for my own advancement...

# RE: uhh — Silver-Tiger 2010-02-19 09:17

Quoting victorinox:

you do relize that using emulators and not owning the hard copy is as illegal as stealing a BD disc game right? just saying...

You do realize that it can't hurt developers anymre, since they don't sell that games anymore? Just saying....

# .... — Stinky_1 2010-02-19 10:02

are you guys on crack? Your defending your intent to steal by saying that the person has no chance of profit from it anymore, so its ok?

One day the PS3 will be obsolete too. So, we are just getting a jump on the emulators! Whats the difference "legally" between a NES rom, and a PS3 rom? By the definition of the user above, its only illegal to separate the software from the medium. So, I guess OWNING software that "has been" separated from the medium is not illegal? which makes a PS3 Bluray dump just as illegal as a nes rom dump.

On the story though, I doubt sony thinks removing otherOS will do anything to the hack from geohot. Last I saw, nothing interesting had come from it anyway. Why do you think he passed his code on? He realized it was going to take 3 or 4 lifetimes to sort through the data. This has created an access port to the workings of the system. but if the keys are locked down as hard as they say they are, it will take a long time to get anything usefull from it.

No way sony would risk removing otheros and piss off millions of users! not yet at least

+1 # RE: .... — HakatoX 2010-02-19 16:13

on crack... I stated removing the software from the hardware is illegal, yes... therefore that software is illegal... stop trying to manipulate words like some kind of know it all jackass

# LoL.... — Guest 2010-02-19 16:44

Wow from one point to another.... Hakatox... He's just trying to elaborate what you just said and is therefore agreeing with you. Don't know why you're even calling the person a jack~~~

# true enough — HakatoX 2010-02-19 18:24

okay he said Quote:

By the definition of the user above, its only illegal to separate the software from the medium. So, I guess OWNING software that "has been" separated from the medium is not illegal?

now if hardware with the software tethered to it was the only thing released to the public....
only a complete jackass would come to the conclusion that owning the software that was illegally separated is somehow legal...
you see why I called him a jackass? that sort of logic is comparable to the likes of a 6 year old. I pirate stuff, but I KNOW it's illegal, I dont try to make excuses or justifications for my actions.

# ever heard about sarcasm? — Guest 2010-02-20 00:59

He was agreeing with you and being sarcastic... learn how to read dude, you're making yourself look silly

# yeah thats easy — HakatoX 2010-02-20 16:02

considering sarcasm is heavily dependent on tone and and delivery... so yeah sarcasm in text really doesnt work. dipsh!t

# .... — Stinky_1 2010-02-21 10:45

hakatox,

Your first statement was "try again....." then continued on to say that it was illegal to separate software from hardware. Your statement was directed at the guy who tried to tell you owning roms was just as illegal as owning a BD copy.

So, you were trying to say that somehow it is not legal to seperate the hardware, but that roms are legal.

If it was bad word choice, and you were trying to support his statement, then maybe you need to go back to school and finish grade 6.

My point was that the guy who told you roms are illegal, was right, and your statement is wrong. No matter how you want to look at it.

The argument that the dev no longer makes money off the game is entirely wrong! Look at the wii. I can BUY copies of many old games that people are running on emu's. The devs get a kick back from heir game being re-sold. So, every time someone distributes a rom, they are taking money that they could have had through virtual console on the wii. Hence stealing!

I am not saying that I dont do it. I pirate games too. I am just saying it is wrong. I realize it is, and I do it anyway. I dont have much tolerance for guys that try to justify it somehow. Its wrong, and no argument can make it right. The law dictates that. Try taking your case to court and see how it fairs. If you win, I will change my stance. But stealing is stealing. And playing roms that have been ripped from the hardware, is stealing.

:end rant:

# okay... — HakatoX 2010-02-21 15:01

maybe I should tone it down to talk to the same level of Cretans.
Removal of software from hardware is illegal. as owning the illegally ripped software... simple enough for you? if the swear owning the hard copy makes it legal to illegally obtain the software... IT'S STILL ILLEGAL. I honestly think you were over complicating what I was saying. I wasnt saying anything about it being legal. I was stating, "you can lie to yourself all you want, you are still breaking the law..." simple enough for you? I dont see how any of that can even be compared to a sixth grade education....

# RE: okay... — Guest 2010-02-21 22:27

"maybe I should tone it down to talk to the same level of Cretans."

Are people from greece dyslexic snide assholes too?

Severe delusions of grandeur much?

Maybe you should go back to using one of your other aliases now little one

# only one — HakatoX 2010-02-22 01:27

and I only post under this one.....
either way I explained myself many times
dyslexic asshole... thats a good one, mommy help you out with that one... not only is it a race of people it is also a term of simple mindedness. so you sign under a different name, does that mean everyone does? nope. I am either HakatoX or Nate P... how many names you got. I walk and talk the same either way AND I have the right to be a dyslexic asshole. thank you for noticing

# OHHHHHH — Guest 2010-02-22 20:55

you meant CRETIN

I'm sure the simple minded dyslexic asshole meant to say that... Seeing as how he "walks and talks the same" esing natep or hypocritex... even though he only posts under one

LMAO, get over yourself child

You definitely must work for gamestop

# .. — Musev 2010-02-20 10:11

Quote:

are you guys on crack? Your defending your intent to steal by saying that the person has no chance of profit from it anymore, so its ok?

on the subject of old games that aren't sold anymore

How is it wrong? who loses out if its not being sold anymore?
maybe you think games should just die out and no-one should play them anymore because its illegal?
fuck the legality!
Do you really believe the people that created those old games would hate the fact someone is playing their game- that you cant buy anymore- for free? some might (probably the publishers) but I'd bet most would be happy that people are still enjoying their creation, wouldn't you??

money isnt everything niether is the law.

# RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — norm851 2010-02-19 05:34

someones needing assassinating.

# after this generation.. — Guest 2010-02-19 13:03

i am no longer buying a sony console..
they ALWAYS remove features..
they did with the ps1.
they did with the ps2.
they did with the psp, however they added stuff to.. still though.
and they did with the ps3.

used to love sony, but fuck'm. they treat there customers like shit so there company can go to hell.

I really don't care if this rumor is true or false cause everything i just said if true. otherOS would just be ANOTHER thing removed, if this is true.

so official, sony.. FUCK YOU.

# what? — HakatoX 2010-02-19 16:14

did they remove with the PS1?
and we arent talking HARDWARE REVISIONS

# ...i really dislike stupid people.. — Guest 2010-02-19 17:28

a feature is a feature whether its a hardware feature or a software feature.

with the ps1, they removed hardware, just like every other console they made.

-1 # removal of hardware is not illegal — HakatoX 2010-02-19 18:34

and besides those revisions were more so to cheapen manufacturing....
what did they take out that you couldnt replace? PS2 ... the removed HD casing and gave you USB drive support.
splitting hairs here guy... they never really REMOVED any features aside from the PS2 support..... ooooooo cry a river over an old system that can be bought for 20-75.00... nothing to raise ire over. seriously name ONE major feature removed... and then site me any laws stating they cant improve, remove or alter their device that they hold the patent and licensing for...

when you buy that system or game there are laws tied to that hardware... open that manual or book and read the small print..... they even say upon purchase they can make software revisions (hence firmware updates) and you may own the hardware THEY (Sony) own the software and can adjust it how they see fit.

# You may think I am stupid — HakatoX 2010-02-19 18:47

In public you wouldnt be so quick to point that out.

but your generalization really points out who the idiot really is.

FEATURE... not hardware you jackass... what have they REMOVED that limited anything? is that simple enough for you?

hardware revision are nothing new....
been happening since the production of the model T by ford.... even before then with colt pistols and browning rifles.

It's called business, you dolt.
You can cast stones all you want, but you are just a consumer, you have absolutely NO STAKE IN THIS. aside from the loss of a feature that can be done elsewhere... OMG OMG OMG you want to talk stupid people, how bout the basement troll crying over the loss of a feature when I am sure there is someone in your family who could really use the time better... life is short bud...

-1 # HypocriteX — Guest 2010-02-21 22:31

"life is short bud..."

and here you are, trolling it away
You sound like a typical snide Gamestop employee.

# I hate gamestop — HakatoX 2010-02-22 01:31

boredom after repairing your moms analreamer model g12-xxo... got to get the images out my head somehow. I have accomplished alot and can afford to have this free time, the money to live on and the mind to tell idiots off.... my god... isnt America awesome... and who's worse the guy admits to being an asshole or the bitch who wont post under a registered name and tries to do the same thing the FIRST asshole was doing OPENLY...

# oh BTW — HakatoX 2010-02-22 01:33

I may have worked at gamestop for a brief period... but I kicked the shit out my manager for being a douche... his name was jean and it was the howe and arden location in sacramento CA in 01

# RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — GUNBEHINDTHESUN 2010-02-19 06:08

If this is true, it makes no sense. What next? Maybe they will remove the PS2 playability feature then too.

# Isnt it a illegal move? — Guest 2010-02-19 07:13

I think its a illegal move and any good lawyer can sue Sony for removing a feature that comes with a product. Many people buyed the FAT because it haves a Lynux inside, and now they are coming and are removing this feature. I think its a veeeery illegal move. Ive nerver read the terms of use, but anyway i dont think if theres a implicity term saying that "they can remove it anytime" it still can do it legally, cause many people dont have the chance to read this terms when buying the product on a store. And other thing is that it isnt because theres somo restrictions on a term of usage, that a good lawyer cannot take the hell out from Sony, cause some terms are just abusive under the eyes of many judges and laws. Sony must understand that the units arent no more propiety of Sony, they are now a personal item and the people who buy it have the ownership, they arent "renting" the videogames, they are buying then. I do hope that if this case are indeed true, then some good lawyers comes and suit then, forcing then to put the otheros back. Then again it could just be some maneuver from sony, that will remove then, program another version less user friendly, and put this version back on the firmwares. Lets see qhat the future holds.

+1 # wrong — HakatoX 2010-02-19 16:15

cause on the software end... it is up to sony's discretion to do as they please with the operating system they have the rights and development to

# RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — hush404 2010-02-19 08:28

hopes not.

-1 # What? — chucklesjh 2010-02-19 09:10

You know, I fairly certain that there is a law against doing something like this. Removing features that I had originally paid for is not ethical, even slightly. You can't punish people who legitimately use versions of Linux on their PS3 and play PS3 games as well.

-1 # yeah I think thats right — Chilloutcolin 2010-02-19 09:24

I think you might be right on that one cause think of all the storys we've heard about the ps3 being used for things outside gaming as a result of its linux capability(Pedo hunting was one i think

)

I think this rumour is BS tbh as I'm fairly sure its illiegal. I mean what if theres ppl who bought ps3 solely for Linux.They now have a 400 euro shiny box.

# nope — HakatoX 2010-02-19 18:38

you may own the hardware but sony owns the software and can do as they see fit for the benefit of the console's lifespan.
it's even written in the manual.
if that was the case ANY firmware update would be illegal.

-4 # crybabies — Guest 2010-02-19 09:19

Seriously, for those of you that use OtherOS, you are in the minority....by far. And the statement "I just want to play emulators on my PS3" barely holds water. There are about 10 other different ways to play emulators already, many of them cheaper than the PS3. I bet most of us have at least 2 alternatives. Use one of those and quit complaining. You just want a hack so that you can steal games. plain and simple.

-1 # yup — HakatoX 2010-02-19 18:39

and if you really want emulators on a big screen... buy a dreamcast and start burning disks

# Or — Guest 2010-02-19 22:08

Or buy a Wii and get the best homebrew available on any console, Dreamcast and PSP included.

# indeed — HakatoX 2010-02-20 16:04

couldnt agree more. there are already emulated platforms. I was just stating the cheapest considering all these guys are cheaping out instead of buying the old systems

# RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — pspg2000 2010-02-19 09:52

True or not, we'll know in Sony's next firmware update for PS3.

But anyway, PS3 is a gaming console system, having Linux and etc is just a bonus.

+1 # RE: RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Walo 2010-02-19 11:29

Actually some people in research depts. use PS3s in clusters running a Linux OS as cheap supercomputers.

And also I think I read somewhere that the PS3 included the "otheros" feature to market the PS3 as a desktop computer in order to avoid paying higher import taxes. But I don't know if that was real or not.

+3 # RE: RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Navani 2010-02-19 11:40

Quoting pspg2000:

True or not, we'll know in Sony's next firmware update for PS3.

But anyway, PS3 is a gaming console system, having Linux and etc is just a bonus.

It's not a bonus, it's part of the console. It's not a gaming console, it's an entertainment center. Nothing is a "bonus" in a PS3, it's what you pay for.. If they remove the OtherOS, that's effectively going backwards and removing a feature that people do actually use.

# RE: RE: RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Musev 2010-02-20 10:14

Quote:

It's not a bonus, it's part of the console. It's not a gaming console, it's an entertainment center. Nothing is a "bonus" in a PS3, it's what you pay for.. If they remove the OtherOS, that's effectively going backwards and removing a feature that people do actually use.

hear hear
and seeing as most people with a ps3 with that feature payed full price makes it even worse

# Member — Guest 2010-02-19 11:58

I would be highly disappointed in this enough to stop going on line with it for a month or two in order not to be forced to update to get the information backed up, there might be a hope that if it's already installed you can still access it but either way it was a key feature to the product when it was first announced. I honestly could care less about the exploit as would most in the Linux community but all in all this is an ugly issue that I hope gets resolved.

+3 # sonys idea — Guest 2010-02-19 12:00

the Zerojay project is the reason for this. they dont want emus on OUR systems.

# No... — Guest 2010-02-20 20:55

They Don't Want the Ability to use Emus using a Feature on Their Software (XMB)
And For all The people Who use The PS3 solely as a Computer (Research Depts.) they don't need to update there FW as they don't play games on them.

+1 # RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Guest 2010-02-19 12:27

This has everything to do with the exploit! Taken straight from geohotz blog "This is the coveted PS3 exploit, gives full memory space access and therefore ring 0 access from OtherOS. Enjoy your hypervisor dumps. This is known to work with version 2.4.2 only, but I imagine it works on all current versions." This IS Sony's answer to the whole thing, the patent, the rumors of possible removal of OtherOS from Fat PS3's because the slim line doesnt even have it at all. If you guys dont agree with me then your simply crazy.

# wow son y — MangoScango 2010-02-19 12:40

Thats really disappointing. rather than fix your mistake, you get rid of features. jesus

-1 # LoL.... — Guest 2010-02-19 16:51

What was there to fix?
You were given a feature only then to be abused...in the form of exploiting the system for we know what reasons (and don't bullSh~t that it's for homebrew because the only thing that this scene is really waiting for is an ISO loader). Whether they get rid of it.... It's there choice. There already losing money on the console and online services itself... to lose it's games revenue will only kill the damn thing.

# nothing could stop sony... — Guest 2010-02-19 13:00

They would get away with removing linux. I've seen games come with some modes, and then they "removed" it.(or rather made it accessible for people who bought DLC)

this game was Halo 3 one of the biggest XB360 game, you pay for the game, with its full list of modes, then when first map pack came big team battle required that dlc, leaving those without it out of Big team battle.

they got away with it.

you might say it's not the same, but you paid for that mode, and it was removed.

Maybe we should just sue bungie?

# WTH! — Guest 2010-02-19 13:51

they are pissing me off watering down the PS3 especially for the lucky folks with the 1st & 2nd GEN PS3's they paid good money and all sony is doing now is making its value lessened..they better start sending people checks for all the shit they're removing through these updates....sooner or later its gonna be a PSWii

-1 # RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Guest 2010-02-19 14:15

I say Good job Sony. If i were Sony...I would do the same exact thing. Block a luxury thats being abused. I had a feeling as soon as Geohot exposed his hack that Sony would pull a move like this. I mean, it's only fair. So congratulations homebrew community, you may have ruined the other OS feature for everybody. Happy? And im not gonna say "you got what you deserve" but instead "youre losing what you don't deserve" An operating system in a multimedia gaming console being abused.

-1 # illegal — Guest 2010-02-19 15:12

This is an illegal move and cannot be done. This is one of the selling points of the PS3, and it does not hurt the system's stability. It would be like Apple or Microsoft removing the DVD drive capability because of the chance that you might watch a pirated movie or install pirated software.

If this occurs, there will be a lawsuit on Sony so fast they will have no choice but to reinstate the otherOS feature.

You cannot combat piracy be simply removing features. You have to work harder than the pirates and place more security in the console the old fashioned way. This is lazy on Sony's part.

# LoL.... — Guest 2010-02-19 17:02

ohhh... really?
Then you're up for a big surprise... if this does come up to be true... In all it's legality, whether you like it or not, was OtherOS ever promised to us consumers that it would always be there? No right?... all the rights still belong to sony. It's quite a complicated legal system we have and hell.... if you were ever to really read the agreement when you first started to run your PS3.... well, guess who that favors.. definitely not you.

-1 # RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Guest 2010-02-19 15:35

Sigh Goodbye Snes on my PS3

# RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Guest 2010-02-19 15:37

It's not illegal to remove something off your own product....If Sony wants to do it they have every right.

-1 # x — Guest 2010-02-19 20:29

Then they could release a firmware that disables the BluRay Drive. I'd like to see that.

-1 # x — Guest 2010-02-20 17:48

Don't tempt them... they seem happy to constantly remove features I payed $600 for, why not remove Blu-Ray support? Hell, Sony, I double-fucking-dare you to remove GAME support, seeing as your on such a roll.

-2 # RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Guest 2010-02-19 15:44

BTW, don't compare a Gaming Console to computer operating systems. That's just stupid. PS3 is a console. Not a computer. Mac and Windows are operating systems for computers. Linux on PS3 is a luxury for a GAMING CONSOLE. PS3 was released as a console, not as a computer. so do a better job at comparing and contrasting, please.

# x — Guest 2010-02-19 20:34

During the last 10 years consoles have become more and more like Computers. It's even possible to some degree to play X Box Games on a PC withput an emulator because they are so similar.

# RE: RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Musev 2010-02-20 10:20

no, it was touted as an entertainment hub not as an only for gaming console

Quote:

so do a better job at comparing and contrasting, please.

you're an idiot.

-1 # ... — Guest 2010-02-19 16:47

i paid for my ps3 and my linux support and i want them there....even if i dont use it

so...sony dont fuck with us....

-1 # RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Guest 2010-02-19 17:03

>.> dont blame sony its ppl who abuse the the system and wen it go wrong we have to pay for it i use linux too so i cant blame sony for what it doing only the ppl who screw it up for the rest of us so its pointless blame sony for protecting there ps3

-1 # Good news for pirates — Guest 2010-02-19 17:07

If this is true, then this is extremely good for hackers. Do you know why the ps3 hasn't been really hacked yet? It's not because it's difficult, it's because the community can already run their own code on the ps3.

This will lead to a backlash where people will have a genuine excuse to hack the system and this WILL lead to a lot more people trying to hack it. I'm not saying they will succeed, but this will give people a LOT more motivation.

+2 # RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Guest 2010-02-19 17:27

Another fine example of the PS3 not being able to do "everything."

# RE: RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Musev 2010-02-20 10:21

Still does more than any other alternative

# wack — truk 2010-02-19 17:42

fuck you sony

+1 # Fuck u Sony — SuperSZ 2010-02-19 19:12

Thanks Sony, keep removing stuff, then remove the FREE of charge PSN service, then remove PS1 compatibility (you did PS2 already), and then remove Blu Ray movies compatibility so everyone will have to buy a Sony Blu Ray Player. .... eventually, all this will happen if it continues like this.

# Foat — Guest 2010-02-19 19:17

Technically, Sony only had Linux in the PS3 in the first place because in the UK if you sell a computer you get a massive tax break. Thats seriously the only reason. And it USED to be a selling point, they can remove it now because they don't make or sell Phat PS3's anymore. However, I don't agree with this. Although, if anyone says they have no other option, that's just ignorant. Come on. It's Sony. They could easily block the coding on a further firmware update or work closer with the ones who make Yellow Dog and just implement blocks on all further releases of it. So if you update the next firmware it only lets you install Yellow Dog 7 (which isn't out yet). They could do a lot...but they're gonna take the easiest, most cost effective method out of this debacle. BUT...I kinda find this to be a big fat massive rumor and this guy just wanted to scare the crap out of everyone to see how many people actually cared about the hack and this new emulator. If it's not a big response, I bet he tells Sony, Nah, it's fine for now. If it's a HUGE response that means Sony has to worry.

# RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Guest 2010-02-19 19:48

This clearly indicates that this hack is THE hack

So yeah, just dont update or just buy another ps3, only like $400 now right? then sell it off when hack is available :)

# ur kidding right — Guest 2010-02-19 20:10

so all you people think it is justifiable to remove a feature because one person found and released a useless exploit.... Patch it.

What about the 10's or 1000's or people that actually use the other OS feature like they had intended.
what about i use PS3 a processor.
the army just bought 1,300 Ps3's for that use only, and so did Stanford and Yale.

so i doubt this is legit. they will patch it but if they remove it they are boycotting a huge market that they no is there and they no people use it.just like 360 did. . and sony does not care about u emulating anything except Sony's software and games. and they give u PSN for that and cheap to.. so stfu u idiots . just like 360 did.

# Here's Why They're Doing It — Guest 2010-02-19 20:31

There are a few reasons why their doing this, one of them is the fact that they've been releasing 2 different Firmware updates on the different consoles, so Slim and Phat models have different firmware. The second reason is mainly to get rid of any chance of hacking the PS3, because as most of us know Games and other Software suck when people are hacking. Third, not a lot of people use Other OS, so why should they waste their time making two updates for the PS3 if only a thousand out of Millions use it. Even if they charge for PSN and get rid of this, the PS3 can still do far more than the XBox for free, they also stated that if they do charge for a Premium service, everything that we can use now will still be accesible for free, Video Chat, Online Play, Text Chat, Messaging, PSStore access, Netflix, Web Browser, In-Game Chat, Themes, PlayStation Home, Music Player, Photo Viewer, Photo Album Viewer, Ability to use any Headset, Quick Online Search, Youtube XL, and many more will still be free.

# In short.... — Guest 2010-02-19 20:58

We original PS3 adopters paid to use ALL of our system, including OTHEROS. It's not right to take away from the original adopters, especially after all the other failures they failed to acknowledge (YLOD, BD-Drive Failure)

# Bye Linux :( — Guest 2010-02-19 21:37

Sony talking to PS3 Phat : " Yo Phat,imma letcha finish (hacking),but removing the OtherOS feature is the best anti-hack move of all time.OF ALL TIME! "

# lol.. — Guest 2010-02-19 22:41

It does everyting.....backwards.

+1 # unimpressed... — senz 2010-02-20 02:27

First they removed emotion engine and added PS2 emulation then they removed PS2 emulation and now they removing more features from the firmware??
Whats next??

-3 # RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — jwydell 2010-02-20 03:18

bottom line is those of you who are mad are only mad cause you can't do something illegal. grow up. the ps3 is awesome without messing with it.

+2 # Dumbass. — FreePlay 2010-02-20 09:13

1. You can't do anything illegal now.
2. The exploit required hardware modification.
3. Fuck you.

# RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Guest 2010-02-20 05:43

I want my PS3 hacked,
for several reasons and i dont want to pirate,
i want full access to the damn otheros,
ever since i wanted all (6) SPEs and the f'in RSX,
you could do so much with it.
For the dumb ones look up Sony ZEGO,
its more or less 1:1 a PS3 just in another case,
with full SPE usage (8).

Copied games lol its not like the PS2, or Xbox1,
games are getting bigger and bigger,
but yeah hdds also...

even if,
backups are needed as there are games that tend to hang when the disc has almost no dust/scratches

Yeah FU all,
FU Pirate Haters
FU Pirates
FU Sony

# Idiots — Guest 2010-02-20 08:17

It's not the hackers that lead to this, so you should all promptly go piss off, most of what modern computing is today is from "hackers" struggling over tons of lines of code; all so that you can come here and bitch on us more.

Regardless, I'm pretty sure that THIS IS why they're doing it, but they SHOULDN'T go about fixing problems this way. That kid's (Geohot's) code is so piss simple to patch that I couldn't even begin to explain... Those guys at Sony are fucking stupid if they do it only for this reason, so I'm sure someone somewhere might have found a greater hole.

And lastly, there are people like me in this world who want to see a PS3 exploited for actual homebrew usage. I want to run my own code on that box (other than under linux, ofc), and not some shit pirated game I don't have the patience to play anyway.

Bottom Line: HACKERS =/= WAREZ SCENERS

Learn the difference or point a gun at yourself, your choice.

# RE: Idiots — Guest 2010-02-21 22:36

If the xbox 1 was never hacked and homebrew friendly, the 360 would've been nothing. Majority of what used to be XBMC for xbox 1 ended up on the 360, as far as layout and features.

Sony could be missing out on a very big opportunity here.

# remvoing os?! — Ricochet__ 2010-02-20 12:22

maybe some people out there wanted the os for LEGIT uses, i have no intrest in hacks;exploits; or emulators, i just wanted another o.s. on there to have no use for a bulky pc...i think that they are snuffing out people who DO do the illegal things are great, but i dont think they should punish everyone, of course, those who do exploit and run hacks.DO ruin the fun for everyone else, but then again,iv not figured out how to put a o.s. on it anyways...so eh, wont matter to me really,

# RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — pawn535 2010-02-20 12:51

Honestly if they do take it out thats fine by me, it was cool at the start but really it quite sucks and I have no interest in playing old games... if I wanna do that I can set it up much easier on my computer and still use my ps3 controller to play em.

My only issue.... would Sony removing the other OS function just remove the ability to access it or would it also remove the Linux Distro and the partition we have allotted to it and merge it back with the main hard drive? I've wanted to get rid of it but I don't want to have to download all my crap all over again and do backups and whatnot.

# RE: RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Guest 2010-02-20 19:26

It's not all about that though, it makes me sad to see something with potential get shot down like that.

It's not like Sony would have wanted it there anyway, the bastards never gave us full RSX access and full SPU access.

Regardless, if I'd ever see the day that the fat ones get cheaper, I'm buying myself the most inexpensive render farm ever (but then again, no GPU so hah)!

# What a Joke — Guest 2010-02-20 17:44

Sony are acting like sore losing, little kids...

They include OtherOS for us, go and claim the PS3 is unhackable, and when a genius actually does something, they remove OtherOS. Sad, really.

# Fuck You Sony — Guest 2010-02-20 18:43

I have one thing to say to Sony and that's Fuck You.

Sony touted the PS3 an a entertainment hub and not just a gaming system. A system where you could play games, listen to music, view pictures, surf the Internet, watch movies, etc.

First off, Sony removed the PS2 compatibility for models, removed OtherOS from the slim and now they want to remove OtherOS from all systems.

I will refuse to update to the new firmware if it removes OtherOS because I use it.

I own both an XBOX 360 and a 60 GB PS3. Guess it looks like the PS3 won't have any features that the 360 has expect the Internet browser. What's next, Sony removing the Internet browser.

If Sony removes the otherOS feature, I smell a class action lawsuit.

# RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Guest 2010-02-20 21:06

lol @ homebrew community. all these posts are the same thing over and over again. "I got what i paid for" blah blah blah. no you didnt. PS3 IS a media center but is still considered as a console. Though in many ways it is similar to a computer, it is only limited. And Sony WILL keep it that way. Limited. So complain all you want all youre doing is giving people like me WHO UNDERSTAND why Sony does what they do a good laugh, cause ive had quite a few since thie first comment was made. And it would be appreciated if you dont insult people for defending Sony. I'd defend a multimillion dollar electronics corporation over a lower class $30,000/yr citizen that doesnt have good money saving/spending habits and has to pirate everything.

# You're wrong — Guest 2010-02-21 23:28

I dunno how you're so dense. It stuns me. Homebrew doesn't mean pirated software, and you're a bit dumb for thinking everyone's a cheap fuck =|

# jagd ur a dumbass — Ricochet__ 2010-02-22 09:14

Quoting Jagd:

lol @ homebrew community. all these posts are the same thing over and over again. "I got what i paid for" blah blah blah. no you didnt. PS3 IS a media center but is still considered as a console. Though in many ways it is similar to a computer, it is only limited. And Sony WILL keep it that way. Limited. So complain all you want all youre doing is giving people like me WHO UNDERSTAND why Sony does what they do a good laugh, cause ive had quite a few since thie first comment was made. And it would be appreciated if you dont insult people for defending Sony. I'd defend a multimillion dollar electronics corporation over a lower class $30,000/yr citizen that doesnt have good money saving/spending habits and has to pirate everything.

because people dont make the money that was given to ur mom and dad dont means the multimillion dollar corp is RIGHT to change the system for what it was bought for?! fuck that , i bought it to "do everything" as they said including use otheros.i dotn hack,exploit, or anything except play games and go on net.its people like you who defend companies that do that , is the reason they do that and get away with it.

# RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Guest 2010-02-20 21:53

I find it funny that many people are already up in arms over an unconfirmed rumor.

Even Mr. Stampflee said that that he's "not sure if it's true or not".

Is it not sufficient to just *calmly* ask Sony *not* to remove the OtherOS feature? Yeesh.

# RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Guest 2010-02-21 16:16

PS3 - It only does everything *(minus everything we decide to put restrictions on)
Sadly I already seen this coming, I have an orig fat ps3 with ps2 backwards capability. As soon as I heard there was a legit hack for the fat I got on amazon and bought a new slim so I can take my fat offline so a new firmware won't cripple it and won't risk getting my psn account banned. Yeah I had to shell out another $300 for another ps3 but apparently the blu-ray drives are going bunk in all the fat models anyway so I figured why not...

# RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — astaroth001 2010-02-22 03:29

you have no one to blame but that gehoot guy or whatever the name is...he's making Sony take this steps...so blame the guy

# lol — Guest 2010-02-22 03:57

its a fucking hardware hack! GeoHot has done nothing special. honestly. its crappy code and a fairly useless memory buffer under-run hardware hack we can do nothing with this hack as we still don't have ANY encryption keys and will not for a LONG LONG time. if Sony has done this because of him. its the equivalent of braking to avoid a bird... whats the point? banning Linux effects this hack how? /////.....there not even in the same "world" so to speak.

+1 # Ugh. — Guest 2010-02-22 09:28

It has everything to do with Linux, unfortunately.

Since the exploit runs on the OtherOS capability of the phat PS3s.

Also, lol, it is not a memory buffer under-run... Silly little man.

# not completely — EugeneE 2010-02-23 03:12

Quoting andy12:

It has everything to do with Linux, unfortunately.

Since the exploit runs on the OtherOS capability of the phat PS3s.

Also, lol, it is not a memory buffer under-run... Silly little man.

The Geohot exploit requires you to a hardware modification to make it run. So while it uses OtherOs, you still have to do a modification to make it work. So Sony, can work to block the modification or go the easy route and get rid of OtherOs.

# Wha? — Guest 2010-02-23 22:33

And how the you propose they block that modification? Recall all fat units? LoL.
Kind of pathetic how this "community" has become... really...

+2 # This is absolutely unfair — Guest 2010-02-22 08:00

I want part of the money I paid for my PS3 back. I paid for a system with capabilities to run Linux freely and as I wanted it to.

I am but an innocent bystander in this whole ordeal of piracy and whatnot, why must I have my old PS3's features cut down? This won't end well.

# agreed with andy — Ricochet__ 2010-02-22 09:16

Quoting andy12:

I want part of the money I paid for my PS3 back. I paid for a system with capabilities to run Linux freely and as I wanted it to.

I am but an innocent bystander in this whole ordeal of piracy and whatnot, why must I have my old PS3's features cut down? This won't end well.

even gave ya a +1 vote:)

# I Agree — EugeneE 2010-02-23 03:15

Quoting andy12:

I want part of the money I paid for my PS3 back. I paid for a system with capabilities to run Linux freely and as I wanted it to.

I am but an innocent bystander in this whole ordeal of piracy and whatnot, why must I have my old PS3's features cut down? This won't end well.

I agree totally. Even though it's a rumor, if Sony decides to remove the OtherOs from all PS3's, I'll be pissed.

If Sony can remove the OtherOs, what would stop them from releasing a firmware that disables older PS3's from playing PS1/PS2 Games.

BTW: I own a 60 GB PS3 (upgraded HDD to 250 GB)

-2 # RE: New PS3 FW to remove OtherOS feature? — Guest 2010-02-22 15:05

haha. for starters, downloading/possessing a rom of a game you do not already own is considered piracy. (off topic: i work for everything i own 11 hours a day 7 days a week with a repair business on the side. I havent needed mommy and daddy for 7 years. Lame direct insult) Last thing I'm saying is I hope Sony removes OtherOS, if they do it, cause it would be a move to applaud Sony on, It'll be almost like watching a fishfight.

# PS3 Has removed OtherOS — Guest 2010-04-06 08:19

I've just got the update, and yes they have removed the otherOS feature, which I never used so doesn't bother me really.

The legality of it, is a grey area really, because it's software, which means you don't get the same rights that things like hardware get. If the feature was on the box of the PS3 (I don't know, but i'll look tonight) then there will probably be a case to look into, but because the update states that you will lose and the terms and conditions state that it will be removed and what will happen if you don't update (all online features won't work).

On the case of Homebrew, this is another grey area in law, to have the ROM on your computer isn't illegal provided that you paid for a copy (e.g. I bought secret of mana and have a copy on my mac, not illegal) however the emulator is more or less illegal unless the emulator doesn't use any coding from the original console. If it does then it is illegal, it is still a grey area if you own the console in the first place.

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