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I hate how this turned from "the ps3 online services will be free" to "the BASIC services will be free" Xbox Live Gold my as well not ba a bad deal after all

sdf

THERE YA GO, sony. FINALLY some GOOD ps3 news. FIIIINALLY. jeez.

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Why does the ps3 suddenly sound like a steakl when theyve basically confirmed that they lied to people about ps3 online being free their now ust going down the same road as MS with gold and silver membership

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As if they had a choice, watch there be more than 2 levels.

xbox silver fails

all it does it let u play free on weekends sony basic lets you always place free. sony winz again.

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What do you meen sony winz? theyre not even in the game yet and how come their was no mention of free online gameplay when sony was describing the free online package. And what do you think basic online services means because i realy dont think they mean free online multiplayer.

May I remind you

This is all vaporware as of now. Please be conservative and expect the worst, you'll generally be very close to right.

good news?

Oh how will they cry when Sony tells them that "BASIC services will be free" = "Xbox Silver", and multiplayer gaming will, like Xbox Gold, need paid subscription. The reason? The obvious. Can you imagine how much money does millions of people playing online cost in bandwith and server maintenance? One thing for sure, if M$ can't give it for free, Sony won't either, there's no business model that can let it be free, and even worse for Sony since M$ has Live working for years, where Sony has to invest millions on setting the network and make it work. Do you think this is good news? Check again the BASIC part and cry.

wow....

I think i laughed out loud when i read that article and saw... "makes 600$ look like a steal" sure...

stupid!!

How is this a steal? tell me i mean its going 2 be exactly like the Xbox Live Silver. Plus the Wii is also going to have its online capabilities are going 2 be free.

FUD

Watching the "Riiiiiidge Raaaacer!!!!"-video for the 100th time it became a little stall didn't it? So the posse of Sony haters just stepped ahead to tell pure lies. Even though they get dismissed very quickly, maybe someone becomes uncertain after reading so much bad mouthing. Utterly pathetic... Read again, Kutaragi said: "You can't charge money for network matching and other basic services. These things are just taken for granted on the PC." About the business model, tell me: how did Blizzard sell Starcraft and Diablo 2 at normal price point filling their free(!) online servers for years after years, even after their games came down to 10 bucks (new and sealed)? They must be dead and buried by now. A wise man said: no amount of playing games makes you an expert in game development (or marketing). It's like eating a million hamburgers doesn't make you a gourmet cook.

holy crap

wow... im sorry but i had to comment. so all the sony fanboys are excited about getting downloading serivices for free.... and that justifies the ps3's price how?? 360 has its basic services for free and is $200 cheaper. this truly shows how loyal sony fanboys are to sony, getting excited over something that microsoft had first, and saying its worth $200 dollars.

spitting in the face of facts

Let me put it into terms you know: for PS3 users, there is no "live silver", they all get "live gold" for free. And since the 500$ PS3 offers quite a similar setup to X360 premium, the difference is 100$ or two years of online gaming. In the third year, you paid more! Stop picking on the term "basic services", just because MS doesn't consider playing games is a basic service it doesn't mean Sony thinks the same.

we like the sound of this

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From the looks of it:Sony BASIC = Live Gold membership

I think #17 summed up most of my points but here they are again. I think people are taking the words out of context. Sony is not labeling their services basic and not basic. They are saying that having a gaming network brings basic functionality to gaming this would be things like downloading demos and playing and that they will not charge for such things as MS does. "You can't charge money for network matching and other basic services. These things are just taken for granted on the PC" - Kutaragi In other words. He is saying Live Gold offers basic services which we will give for free. Stop taking the word basic out of it's original context. Also about the bad news. Most if not all of the bad "news" is FUD created by anonymous authors and MS execs implied views. Anyone can write a blog entry saying "PS3 controller melts and burns your hands", would you label that ridiculous piece of untrue information, news? Well many at webblogs and qj.net would. Be cautious reading articles like this. Blog Posters are less incline to do research and be professional before posting a bit of information. Rumors are what rule in blogs and anyone can start one of those: "did you hear that Miyamoto sent his resume to Sony after the introduction to the Wii, Does this mean we'll see Mario on the PS3?" Of course if you're a young gullible boy/girl you will use this rumor as a fact in an argument that Sony will destroy Nintendo as the Xbox fanboys have done everytime a RUMOR starts about the PS3. Think critically or else you just sound like a ignorant fanboy.

planet I disgree

The $500 PS3 offers more than $400 360 premium. 100 dollars more for a blu-ray player and a more powerful system? Sweet a$$ deal if you ask me.

wow professor:

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wow professor:

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whoops but wow professor:

--I think people are taking the words out of context. Sony is not labeling their services basic and not basic. They are saying that having a gaming network brings basic functionality to gaming this would be things like downloading demos and playing and that they will not charge for such things as MS does. "You can't charge money for network matching and other basic services. These things are just taken for granted on the PC" - Kutaragi In other words. He is saying Live Gold offers basic services which we will give for free. Stop taking the word basic out of it's original context.---- how do you get xbox live gold out of him saying PC??? your stretching his quotes really really far in order to save face for your sony fanboyism so according to you... any thime kk says PC we should replace it with xbox premium? so "ps3 is a pc" should be "ps3 is an xbox premium"

#17

It depends on the game. Battle.net itself is merely a chat room. Once (StarCraft) games begin there the only data going from you to Battle.net is the result of the game. So basically it boils down to an IRC server, just like quakenet. This is nothing compared to a lot of other online games, which to require an active server and therefor require a subscription. Matchmaking and playing itself may be free for some games - I like to compare it with PGR3 for example. Playing yes - Gotham TV and download replays no; Because that is the expensive part.

wow professor:

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whoops but wow professor

--I think people are taking the words out of context. Sony is not labeling their services basic and not basic. They are saying that having a gaming network brings basic functionality to gaming this would be things like downloading demos and playing and that they will not charge for such things as MS does. "You can't charge money for network matching and other basic services. These things are just taken for granted on the PC" - Kutaragi In other words. He is saying Live Gold offers basic services which we will give for free. Stop taking the word basic out of it's original context.---- how do you get xbox live gold out of him saying PC??? your stretching his quotes really really far in order to save face for your sony fanboyism so according to you... any thime kk says PC we should replace it with xbox premium? so "ps3 is a pc" should be "ps3 is an xbox premium"

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Hmm.

This article still didnt tell us what will come with the basic online service. So there should be no hoorahs or boos yet. Wait till they actually tell you what you get with the basic service. Hopefully it will be free online gaming but you have to pay for other stuff. Also this cell get together thing sounds interesting.

OFN

They said this at the E3 press conference already.

i dont know

i dont know whats wrong but they keep posting blank comments with my name in it... but their e3 press confrence did show a slide show and KK said "this basic services will come free, in true playstaion fasion"... and no online gameplay was listed in the slideshow.

ummm

ummm yeah, you guys are looking WWAAAYYYYY too much into it. "XBox Silver" is a 'Basic' Online package. Why the wouldn't they say 'Online gaming' is free, no, they said BASIC online stuff is free I'm gonna laugh when they charge for it, and I'm going to laugh more when people are getting so upset over 4-5 dollars a month

link...

here is the link about sony talking about the basic services.... no online listed http://ps3.qj.net/index.php?pg=49&aid=39879

whoops

i meant no online multiplayer listed in the slideshow that showed the basic services.

You guys don't even know.

How do you muthatruckers even know how the Basic online package is gonna be? It's not even Basic = 360 Gold Package. That is phuckin wrong point blank. Krazy Ken didn't even tell us how the Basic is gonna run. So Basic is free. You Sony fanboys are dismissing that Sony is losing tons of money left and right on everything. They are going to make up for the losses anywhere they can. It's called "common sense." Getting all of 360's Gold Package for free? I don't think so. Someone has to pay for it. Remember NetZero? Wasn't their battle cry keeping the net free forever? It was all Bull$hit. Eventually they started charging. With Basic, we probably can't do much. The good stuff though will be held back unless you pay. Don't you notice that originally it was free online? Then now it's free BASIC online. Notice a pattern? They need to make money ASAP.

OK to clarify to you cooljay

I could have left the whole "These things are just taken for granted on the PC" out of the quote and it wouldn't have any effect on my previous comment. This is the part that mattered: "you can't charge money for network matching and other basic services"- With this line he is referring to MS live services. He doesn't want to name them because unlike MS hes doesn't stick to the low levels of finger pointing and accusations (they imply quite softly). The PC comment is referring to the fact that multiplayer gaming on the PC is free for most games except for MMRPGS which are charged an extra fee. With Live you get charged for basic gaming and if the game includes more advance maintenance (like MMO games) then you get charge even more on top of that. And that link you guys put up, you can see that most of the people commenting and even the poster somewhat disagree with Microsoft's attempt at making it seem like Sony is planning a Silver/Gold model. Sony has made no mention of breaking services up into two models, only mentioning the selling and buying of content. MS should be more worried about all the reason bugs found on their spring update than trash talking something that hasn't been released. Don't get me wrong I love live but I would love it much more if it was free. I hate to having to pay for a full year (if I want the cheaper price) even though I will be playing only 2 months worth within that year.

Sorry guys

Sony Basic = Free Online Gaming Microsoft Basic = No Free Online Gaming Sony = Wins

old news yo

Yep. I'm pretty sure I hear this at E3! E3 2005 that is! Hell if Sony comes out with that they promise in terms of online (something on par or better then live) and it's free... that'll kick MS right in the side.

where?

where do you guys even get the hint of online multiplayer? sony never said anything about online multiplayer in their press conferene. they didnt say it then and they arent saying it now. they are saying BASIC services, if multiplayer was included, they would be shouting it from roof tops because that is their one main advantage. do you really think sony, who needs all the positive publicity they can get, will keep free online multiplayer a secret? its common sense. and the video showed sony stating their free basic services. he called them basic services, and KK said basic services in this article, hmmmm. and multiplayer wasnt listed, it was all the stuff you get with xbox live silver that was listed, no multiplayer. so i have no idea where you sony fanboys are getting that they have free online multiplayer.. maybe there is a secret sony code... they say"we will have basic online services for free" what they mean(according to sonyites):"we will have multiplayer for free, with all the functions of xbox live gold for free, yes that is right all the functions." if they were going to have free online multiplayer they would have said it, because that would be the one thing that might truly justify the price. but they didnt.

It really doesn't matter how often we quote Ken

because there is no thing that makes you read it. It is said in the link to the full article (it isn't in the QJ summary), it is retold a few times in this comment thread. Still you claim there is no word about online gaming. What people really really don't want to hear, they will not hear. I just wish they wouldn't insist in spreading half (or less) truths...

here is a funny quote:

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According to Kutaragi, the PS3 will make use of network services "from launch day", and consumers will embrace the idea of digitally delivered content within one to two years. "Eventually optical drives will be obsolete", he believes - "as indeed might hard drives." "If you have all the data on servers, you probably no longer need disk drives..." wow is he saying ps3's BD drive is useless and will no longer be needed in a year or 2? and for live it cost next to nothing a day... 13 months for $50 = $3.85 a month and only 12 cents a day.

online play for free

why does everyone say playing games on-line for free is not possible. i played madden yesterday for free on my platstation yesterday, and have been for 4 years. M$ has you idiots believing they are doing you a favor by giving you games online on the weekends for free. sony has already shown that you can have free games online. ea sports has already showed you can have voice chat, freinds list, and e-mail alerts for free. i know people say sony on-line sucks but i have less problems with madden and nba-live online on my ps2 than i do with lag, and network problems stopping me from joining parties on halo 2, and i pay for that crap.

justifying the price?

I am surprised the article did not put this quote in "You can't charge money for network matching and other basic services. These things are just taken for granted on the PC." If anyone plays a PC game online, you would know this means just about everything Live offers you. There is no justification you can put up for Live being something you have to pay for just to play online on your friends hosted games. And lets hope you dont like playing FFXI unless you want to add a few more bucks to the monthly amount your handing over for online gaming on your 360.

im gay

you know what, sony rules!!!! m$ is gay and i am tooo!!!! yey

XBL

its true you can have free gaming, but ps2 online is NOTHING compared to XBL, because xbl is centrelized with all your stats and everything with one account. you cant do this with ps2 because ps2's online was free so developers had to have their own servers so each game you played, you had to create a new account, and you couldnt have freinds list, etc.. so online multiplayer is free, but in order to have a sucessful localized online network (like xbl) you have to pay for it.

like i've stated before

sony said that the service is going to be free, except for mmo's. because its unfair to pc gamers to have to pay while ps3 owner get it free, also that hints that in the future that ps3 and pc gamers will be able to play each other (mmo wise)because of the online structure being open unlike live. but even if they charge, thats no problem they just have to keep it under $30.

WOOOT

SCOORREE! I knew Sony would play smart and keep it free unlike microsofts bad software.. it really does make it sound like a 600$ steal now ^^

i really want to...

i really want to buy a ps3 now.... yess $200 more for free gamming.... here is what microsoft should do: they have Microsoft points for buying arcade games, themes etc.... they should use those points like a prepaid phone service, say 25 points per hour you play. that would be ok for people that dont play online much. but they could still have their pay by the month thing too for hard core gamers.

Come on, don't be stupid

Alright, let's really think about this. If online multiplayer was going to be COMPLETELY free and just like XBL gold, they would have said it. The system is 5 months from launching, getting a TON of bad publicity, and the public outcry is that $600 is too expensive, yet they would decide NOT to mention that they will have centralized accounts with free online multiplayer similar to live. If basic services are for free, what qualifies as basic services? Really, think about this, if you have no common sense then this may be a bit hard, but this is the SAME THING HE SAID AT E3, and *GASP* at E3 there was no mention of free onine multiplayer either. Even KK wouldn't be stupid enough to mention this. What I did find funny was the following: Eventually optical drives will be obsolete, he believes - as indeed might hard drives. "I expect even the hard disk to disappear eventually," Kutaragi said. "If you have all the data on servers, you probably no longer need disk drives... But to do this, the server is crucial. It's a difficult problem." Nice Ken: "Hey PS3 ships with HDD standard 360 doesn't HAR HAR. Hey PS3 ships with blu ray optical drive, 360 doesn't HAR HAR" "By the way in 1 - 2 years you won't need EITHER one, HAR HAR" He's like the George W Bush of Console gaming.

Best Summary Evar!!!11one1!1

"Sony Basic = Free Online Gaming Microsoft Basic = No Free Online Gaming Sony = Wins" Yeah, totally agreed. Great job Sony...Again. -.-

Sony BASIC = XBLive Gold, Sony Premium = XBLive... er umm.... Gold++?

Expect to get as much online multiplayer as you want for free on sony with the exceptance of being able to play on offical gigantic hosted MMO servers hosting 1000s of people playing at the same time. These cost money to maintain and will probably be paid for if your paying a fee such as playing Final Fantasy XI online. Sony may offer a premium service that will pay automatically for these MMO games on offical servers, but due to new netcode enhancements and to what this person is hinting with connecting Cell Processors. It may be likely that their will be free user hosted MMO games where each client sided player contributes bandwidth to hosting. This technique was used in Halo 2's netcode to allow such lag free games if you have good latency. Perhaps also basic online service in Sony's views mean you can do pretty much anything you can do on the internet on PCs which is basic for any PC users in terms of playing multiplayer games etc, but if you do end up having to pay for anything, it would be paying to have games electronically delivered onto your hard drive or perhaps a Subscription fee similar to GameFly where you can download a certain amount of games electronically, play them for how ever long you want, then "electronically return" the games (probably just ensuring they are removed from the hard drive) and being able to download more games. All this would probably be included in what they say to be a "Premium Service". Its also most likely that if sony does this, xbox may try to keep competition by stop ripping people off with their online play monopoly and offer multiplayer for free like sony and wii.

Did not lie

They said from the beginning you get basic online services free and if you want you can buy other stuff or UPGRADE people it has been staring you right in the face. Learn to listen please!

i love frogs, because the love me

if ken said this, u guys would go out and look for frogs all over the place because sony said i love frogs. i just like the way they say basic service, when a company says basic that means they also have a premium service, so sony does like to play with wording or straight out break promises like saying 2 hdmi ports standard (e3 2005). you people stop defending this machine or any machine, like it was part of you or you're family. it realy makes you sound like idiots. imagine that ps3 goes to crap, after you guyz defended it with all your might, now your just a fool that ownz a machine that has no support! just relax and just take rumors as they come true or not true, give your opinion. saying that ms is paying for these rumors is just stupid because sony has put themselves more than once in this situation. or saying that this is fanboy writing this. well that doesnt matter because, its just an opinion! and i love the new feature where i dont have to read the unregistered guyz...

how?

The devs

how?

who will pay for the servers? If not us(and def. not sony) then who?

how?

who will pay for the servers? If not us(and def. not sony) then who?

^ You can't guess?

Advertisers. If online multiplay is free (which Kutaragi seems to have said) it will be polluted with ads. That, or they'll actually make enough money off the people who download content to pay for the servers (doubt it). Or it'll be like PS2's online (i.e. garbage)

remember remember the 5th of november or summin like that

i remember sony said developers will decide wether or not they have multiplayer (like the pc model pc users dont have to pay to play multiplayer). This will allow sony and the developers an unrestricted audience (lots of people just dont sign up for subscription based services) that they can then sell new levels and arcade games to 100% of their online customers rather than xbox's small percentage of xbox live customers. example xbox and xbox360 say have 15 million consoles sold, 10 million connected to internet but only 1 million are subscribed to xbox live and able to pay for download content but playstation2 and playstation3 say have 15 million consoles sold, 10 million are connected to internet and the whole 10 million are able to buy and pay for download content this i believe is the sony model .

what?

silver can download levels and demos and arcade games. everyone who owns an xbox 360 has an xbox live account. simple as that,

#43 you are obviously clueless so read this.

"wow is he saying ps3's BD drive is useless and will no longer be needed in a year or 2?" No he is saying that we will get used to downloading content and paying for it. Currently very little is distributed online but that will change within a year or two. Doesn't mean disk distribution will leave us anytime soon. I think most technologist agree with him. "and for live it cost next to nothing a day... 13 months for $50 = $3.85 a month and only 12 cents a day." That's if you pay a full year in advance. What if you don't play in those 12 months, then you are just giving your money away. Another thing mentioned was the fact that once bandwidth gets large and fast enough there wont be a need for huge hard drives as you will be able to download what you want, when you want. He is giving a glimpse into what he thinks is the future of the playstation franchise is. If you can't read please seek help as you will discover a whole new intelligent world out there.

I can't believe sony

Look guys, sony is lying. At least until november when they prove that they're not. sony is known of for taking features out of their hardware after promising things at E3. Each system from PS1, PS2, and until I see different PS3. The promises of the PS3 are the SAME promises sony made for PS2. Then sony took the harddrive and network adapter out for us. And you can say that there wasn't a market yet, but so what! They could blazed the trail, but no. They let Microsoft do it. sony are a bunch of cowards.

To all sony fanatics

Sorry to tell you this but, you are all sony's guinea pigs. sony seems to think people are made of money and will bye anything . How many real new game titles that were hits have come out on sony systems? 20 maybe. and then they run titles into the ground. If you buy PS3 you'll just be playing the same games over again. Your guinea pigs

To all sony fanatics I can't believe sony

Look guys, sony is lying. At least until november when they prove that they're not. sony is known of for taking features out of their hardware after promising things at E3. Each system from PS1, PS2, and until I see different PS3. The promises of the PS3 are the SAME promises sony made for PS2. Then sony took the harddrive and network adapter out for us. And you can say that there wasn't a market yet, but so what! They could blazed the trail, but no. They let Microsoft do it. sony are a bunch of cowards. Sorry to tell you this but, you are all sony's guinea pigs. sony seems to think people are made of money and will bye anything . How many real new game titles that were hits have come out on sony systems? 20 maybe. and then they run titles into the ground. If you buy PS3 you'll just be playing the same games over again. Your guinea pigs

funny you said that #63

"sony is known of for taking features out of their hardware after promising things at E3. Each system from PS1, PS2, and until I see different PS3. The promises of the PS3 are the SAME promises sony made for PS2. Then sony took the harddrive and network adapter out for us." talk about taking a step backwards, microsoft took out the harddrive and went the way of the ps2 with memory cards, opted out of using the hd-dvd drive just to get a head start on the competition, used an external power supply instead of internal. "How many real new game titles that were hits have come out on sony systems? 20 maybe. and then they run titles into the ground. If you buy PS3 you'll just be playing the same games over again. Your guinea pigs" i guess the same should be said about other companies too. how many marios do you need or wario wares, in the case of microsoft how many halos do we need, i wouldnt be surprise if theres a gears of war2, mass effect, fable or forza coming. after this new IP's get hit with the franchise tag, thats just the way the industry is deal with cause you also are a guinea pig.

chingy winga dong

I would agree with you but i wouldnt realy say that halo is over doing it cause its only a trilogy and i think thats what they probably set out to make. But companies should probably think about what they are making instead of just changing each game slightly then flooding people with practically the same thing over and over like say mario party.

FREE means...

FREE means CRAP-OLA!! PS2 had FREE online, look how that turned out...LMAO!!! please explain that SonyFanBiotches!!

naw non fanboy

free = advertising, subscribers = no ad's thats my opinion. if gamespy(not sony) is going to be hosting the servers then this method will definitly be what sony is going to use