Thank you...

R Kelly for your piss poor words. For the article, this guy from Midway is dead on in my opinion.

blu ray...blu ray...blu ray...

that is all i ever hear....I'm getting the ps3...but not because of 60GB HDD...or a new gen dvd player...but for the *****ing games! can sony please promote thier "GAME" console....not their "MEDIA CENTER"

True #5

Number 5 is right however Blu-Ray is mostly Sony's plan. Think about it... There are $1000 Blu-Ray players on the market. A $500 or $600 dollar one looks like a complete steal in my opinion.Then we get a 20 or 60 gig harddrive standard, not like the 360. Finally the next gen games will look F****** amazing with the amount of space on Blu-Ray disk to fill it up with true next gen graphics. #5 is right about the games but a media center is Sony's true objective.

Why we need Blu-Ray

Because we are entering into the world of HD (High Definition), that’s why. If you don’t want to join the HD movement than don't and get left behind but is predicted that by the end of the year 90% of new TVs sold will be HDTV and guess what, people want content for those new TVs. This prediction of course doesn’t take into account the PS3’s arrival which in my opinion will drive that number up to 97%. Imagine for a moment when TVs went from black to color but there weren't any movies or shows in color to watch yet. Oh to horror! Yes there is/will-be a huge need for HD content and in the future guess what all content will be in color… I mean HD. HD content drives more people to buy HDTVs, more HDTVs in people’s home drives more people to buy HD content and soon there is nothing else but HD. The PS3 will help drive this cycle and you should be exited about it. Imagine watching a movie in black in white now? Actually many tech analyst claim that the jump to HD is actually more significant (more viewing space, movie experience), yikes! "It took ten years to replace VHS; we don’t need a new format now". Well HD content can't be put into regular old DVDs. Technology grows faster and faster ever day. For example, Blu-Ray disks will be obsolete faster than DVDs and whatever replaces them will be obsolete even faster. Don't blame companies, blame technology growth. You know why Sony is so keen on making the PS3 a computer? One word: upgradeability (aka patching). PS3 tech will be obsolete in 5-6 years so how can Sony keep up with their ten year life cycle? They allow you to upgrade the components that get hit by the technology curve. If digital distribution is a hit, having the ability to upgrade your hard drive will come in handy. If movie distribution online becomes a hit but they are of a new compression format then having the ability to upgrade the firmware to support it will surely come in handy. “Do games need all that space” – Not all current ones, but again technology grows faster and faster and perhaps the growth of game sizes wasn’t so big to merit a new format now but due to tech growth expect to see game size grow considerably in the near future. Now shut your mouths and left technology take it’s course.

If you dont mention Blu-Ray and you don't mention it's media capabilities than the 360 can be a viable substitute

This is what is setting the PS3 apart from the competition. When you hear about the Wii, all you hear is about their controller. The controller this and the controller that. Of course the controller will affect the games but the games are not the emphasis. These are the ways companies are setting themselves apart. 360 looks to become the console to substitute. Sony's plan is PS3 > 360 feature wise and you can't substitute the PS3 experience with a 360 but you can do it the other way around. The Wii cannot be substituted by the 360. The 360 might be substituted by both (if they can get their online act together). Unfortunately for Sony doing this drives up their cost but the rewards are so great that taken a risk this big (the biggest of any electronic's company) is well worth it.

Tip of the hat...

For TheProffessor at work.

to The Professor

great post professor (though i'm probably just secretly glad that i'm not the only one on here that makes long posts. lol). anyway, i agree with pretty much everything you've said, and i have nothing to add to it. i do find it funny, however, than whenever a developer (and usually a Microsoft affiliated one) criticises the PS3, everyone on the net just nods and says "uh, huh. yup. i told you the PS3 was lame. that guy from Microsoft who's never developed a game for a Sony platform knows exactly what he's talking about, what with bashing the PS3 while being handed a check from Microsoft. he's on the ball!" but when a non Sony or Microsoft affiliated developer actually has something positive to say about the PS3 and Blu Ray, those same people are like, "whatever! he doesn't know what he's talking about! he should stop kissing Sony's ass!" god knows that a bunch of people on the internet know more about the inner workings of the games industry than someone who, oh, i dunno, *makes* video games for a living (rolls eyes). from what i've managed to piece together from non-biased news sites, is that now that more and more developers have gotten their hands on actual PS3 dev kits, they are genuinely, non-Sony pressured, impressed by what they've been able to do with the system. it seems to me that Sony is really serious about this Next Gen war, and they are decking their system out with all the bells and whistles needed to truly experience Next Gen gaming. just because some of you here can't afford that $2000 tv and sound system doesn't mean that those that can afford it should be denied a high quality experience. my friend has a $3000 Sony that he has his PC and 360 hooked up to, and a sound system equally costly, and it's apparently incredible (he's in Kentucky, so i haven't gotten to experience his setup for myself). on the bright side, that technology is getting cheaper by the week (just last month, i saw a 26 inch HD TV, 720p for less than $800), and by the time the PS3 launches, and definitely by the time it's at a more mainstream price, those TVs will be even cheaper. Sony is thinking ahead, and has both bases covered. if you don't have the HD setup, no prob, your $600 system will still look and run great, and you can always get the $500 version. and if you *do* have the setup, then you now have the technology to exploit that setup. for example, i bought a brand new video card a few months ago, and since i had it, i was eager for some software to show off what my new video card could do. the same thing applies to the PS3. the people who purchase it will want the software (and even the hardware) to show off what the system is truly capable of. out of the three publishers, Sony seems to be the only one that wants to offer the consumer a high end entertainment package for a reasonable price. just because it's out of your price range today, doesn't mean it'll be out of your price range forever.

Amen

Amen to the Professor and Figboy

Oh yeah

Does anyone think this guy looks like Bob Sagat (sp). haha.

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These comments from Midway would hold more credence if they actually came up with some original and interesting games. Every game that they have ever produced is just a cash-in on a current successful trend in gaming. And just to weigh in my opinion on the High Def movie formats. I would personally prefer to stick with DVD for now. I am sick of companies cramming restrictive media down our throats. It's about time they learnt that the key to the next-generation of video formats is not Hi-Def, but distribution and accessibility. What would the majority of the public want: access to an unlimited library of movies at their fingertips in standard def, or having to drive down to the video store, pay an inflated price for a watch once only hi-def movie?

The Hell?????

Sony execs can't defend their system? They've been ****ing defending it while the rest of the world keeps finding excuses why it will fail. I agree with David Zucker on just about everything, and with Professor and Figboy on everything else. Compared to a video card and PC upgrade for nextgen games, the PS3 is a steal. And there IS a $500 system that everyone seems to have forgotten about, and (feature wise) it still looks better than the $500 X360. Does anybody else find it funny that the only thing people b*tch about on the PS3 is the price? Can't anyone give a legitimate argument like: "The PS3 can't do --------" or "The ----- feature on the PS3 is worthless"??

glad that i'm not the only one on here that makes long posts. lol)

I quite enjoy the long posts you guys make because there's effort and thought behind them, don't stop! Annony, my point was that while PS3 execs have been defending the PS3, they've done a piss poor job of it.

WOW

I didn't know Bob Saget was the ceo of Midway!

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"Annony, my point was that while PS3 execs have been defending the PS3, they've done a piss poor job of it." I can buy that: "RIIIIIIIIDGE RACER!!!!!!!!!!!!" But my point was that it doesn't matter how good/bad Sony defends their console, people have a disbelieving mindset towards Ken and crew. What David Zucker said was pretty much what Sony execs have already said, but since Sony didn't say it, more people take it to heart.

Thanks guys! Thought all my comments always went unread =)

Just stopping by to respond to a previous comment made by Timmy Timmy A wrote: “I am sick of companies cramming restrictive media down our throats. It's about time they learnt that the key to the next-generation of video formats is not Hi-Def, but distribution and accessibility.” Why not both? They would love you as a customer. If broadband gets a bit better you will definitely see Sony offering HD/SD movies on demand from your PS3 (No cable company to be the middle man). That’s one of their key strategies (downloadable content). Thank goodness that hard drive is upgradeable. Unfortunately broadband is not where it needs to be in the US for that to happen right now (streaming is possible at least) and therefore media like Blu-Ray would have to do. There’s also that large amount of the population that’s not connected, shame on them. But they have dollars too and you can’t discount their buying power. South Korea already enjoys these types of services. You’re definitely on the right track though, distribution and accessibility is on everyone’s mind and they would love to sell it to you when the tech gets good enough. For now you’ll just have to live with tangible media.

I don't care spending 600$....

but I want games...sony has been pushing blu-ray more then games....and that scares me...

F*ck Blu Ray, F*ck the Media Center Bullsh*t F*ck the it's a computer Bullsh*t

Us gamers don't want to hear the bullsh*t like the PS3 is a computer, we don't wanna hear all the tech specs (the "Cell") (Blu Ray). The Stupid Online service (only the aspect of downloading music). We want some f*cking games Sony you piece of sh*t how bout some playable f*cking games! Seeing people play in the press conferenco is just f*cked up! I'd like to play Resistance Fall of Man, Assasins Creed etc... Not just seeing some f*ckers play! Stop trash talking about how your better than everyone!!! Actions speak louder than words butt f*cks! So unless you start showing us PS3 is the real deal, maybe the Wii60 will end up *****ing up up the as*!!!

PS

Not trying flame. I will by the PS3 for "gaming" like Assasins Creed and FFXIII looks amazing (drool) but like Nintendo said, Seeing isn't believing.

To number 21

Huh? Come again? Make some sense will you. How the hell are they supposed to show you "the real deal" when it isn't out yet. And yes, if your going to pay 500-600 bucks for a gaming console you would want all those things included and care about them. And the online service is not used only to download music, but game content and potentially patching for game fixes and such. If you say this about the PS3, then why even mention Wii in your rant when thats not even out yet either.

Companies are afraid....

The only thing you can see online is that Fanboys and Companies like Microsoft and Nintendo are very afraid of Sony and the PS3. Of course when they heard the price they were like: "YESSSS At last you are dead....". But in reality, on the real world you only hear people talking about the PS3, and don't even know what the heck is a Nintendo Wii. If the first portable gaming and media device from Sony (PSP) can be side by side to the Nintendo DS on sales Worldwide, even being at a price that almost doubles the DS, for sure the PS3 will be very successful (in a world of portables that almost Nintendo existed...without real competition). If you see history on consoles, Sony and Microsoft both (from their first gen of consoles....) have outsold Nintendo ones. Why??? Sometimes Nintendo makes me feel like you are playing the same from the 1989 on the NES, they didn't changed too much, for fullfilling the needs of the gamers (new games and stuff...). I read somewhere (maybe here I think...) that the problem of Nintendo is not their hardware, is they as a Company (with the developers). We will see from November what will happen, if history is changed or not. But in my opinion, Nintendo will not outsold Sony, no matter the price. They have to really make a good job for a lot of gamers to look at them and make them want their systems + games. The key is variety and a lot of games, like Sony have done in this two generations, not just Mario, Zelda and Metroid in all the games that comes to your mind. Thanks for reading!!!!!!

To No. 23

Yea the Wii ain't out yet, but hey they had loads of playables at E3 unlike PS3. Sony can show us that the PS3 is the real deal by starting to open up some expos like the 360 ones and showcase some playable games, or just setting up gaming stations in Wallmart etc... If Sony can easily seal the deal for us if they did that

Uhh

Echo_Evolution, When the PS3 is ready to hits store i asure you that will happen. Just have a bit of Paticence man.

pushing Blu Ray

i think the reason why Sony has been pushing Blu Ray is because everyone and their mama pretty much knows what a Playstation is. it sells itself, and the 4 million people purchasing PS3's this year are Playstation fans, and they were going to purchase it whether it came with Blu Ray and a $500, $600 price tag or not. Sony is trying to build awareness outside of that hardcore audience, though. as gamers, *we* know that the PS3 is a games console. *we* know that it's going to have and play video games, even if Sony doesn't focus on the games side of the platform. the gamers are already aware of it's features, and are sold on the game console. Sony is smartly focusing on Blu Ray and it's PC functionality to arouse the attention and interest of the close-minded non-gamer market. the people that don't like video games, but like movies, and computers. when they hear about a PC (PS3) that can play the next big thing in movie technology (Blu Ray), supports Linux, is capable of surfing the net, and basically just functioning like an all in one computer that doesn't require a seperate monitor and other odds and ends, and for $500, $600, and if you like, it plays video games too? it's a friggin *steal* to those types of people. people ***** and complain that Sony is using the PS3 as a trojan horse for Blu Ray, but i also see Sony using the PS3 as a trojan horse to broaden the gaming market. imagine this scenario: non-gamer Todd purchases a PS3 because he has a HD TV and surround sound system, and he loves to watch movies at home, because the theatre experience is annoying and costly. while watching television, he sees a trailer for, oh, Killzone PS3 (we'll assume that the game looks likes it's trailer presentation, for the sake of my example). he's amazed by the visuals, and can't believe that it's a video game. out of curiosity, he rents the game, since he has a PS3, and none of his friends own it. he plays it and is blown away, never realising that video games could be so fun. there you go. one non-gamer converted to becoming a gamer because of Blu Ray, and the pretty graphics capable on the PS3 (remember, most people, especially us Americans, are graphics whores by nature). now multiply that by the millions of non-gamers out there, and the fact that almost everybody loves movies, and you should see how the PS3 has been brilliantly crafted to expand our industry, which is good for everybody.

playables at E3

for those that haven't read any of my posts from other threads, i was at E3 this year, and i got to play PS3 games. they were very enjoyable and a lot of fun (Heavenly Sword being my favorite). so for those *****ing about video feeds of journalists playing PS3 games; i'm no journalist. i'm a gamer just like you guys, and i thought the PS3 was a lot fun to play. and the visuals were great. now, onto my point. has it occured to anyone that the reason why there were a lot of playables for the Wii is because the games on the Wii were apparently running off of Gamecubes? meaning that the demos playable on the "Wii" were created using the very familiar Gamecube architecture. architecture Nintendo has been using for four years. meaning they can get many games up and running really quickly. not to mention that Zelda was practially complete and playable at *last* years E3 (which i also attended, and i played Twilight Princess; it was awesome), a lot of "Wii" games were virtual console titles (my friend played Super Mario World), and that it was generally one title per kiosk, meaning that if you wanted to play Zelda on the Wii, you were going to have to wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, because it was only playing on one console (explains those long lines, huh?). E3 is all about smoke and mirrors and perceptions. unfortunately for Sony, the press, and fanboys took their fairly decent E3 showing (after all, how much is the Wii? when is it launching? oh, wait, Nintendo never even *announced* that very important info). Sony expanded upon what their goals of the PS3 were. they announced a price and release date, they had at least 10 playable games (out of a launch of 17), they had Blu Ray movies on display. *and* they showed that the console is capable of incredible visuals (Heavenly Sword), definitely on par with the 360, and possibly surpassing it (Heavy Rain). i mean, what more do you guys need from them. in comparison to companies that have had a year head start (Microsoft), and titles using technology that's been around for four years (Nintendo's Wii games running on GC tech), sure, Sony may appear, on the outside, to have had a "horrible" E3. especially when compared to E3's past. but i advise you all to look a little deeper at all that was discussed and shown, and i think you'll see that Sony's E3 was a pretty decent one for a new console launch. and honestly, as far as launches go, the launch lineup of PS3 games (from 1st and 3rd party companies), is one of the best in a long time.

Echo_Evolution you're just an angry person aren't you

A Few facts: * PS3 isnt out until November * PS3 had much more playable than the 360 had last year. And of much better quality I might add * Most of what the Wii had on display were tech demos and not games. Add to that the fact that they are showing you gamecube games which have been retweak to use the new controller. Spongebod and Zelda come to mind. I think it's about the games for PS3, but you can't expand the gaming market if you don't offer non gamers an incentive to join in the fun. Nintendo learned this with the brain training series, sony did when they introduced DVD playback. We're gamers and we care dearly about our games but remember that the bigger our industry gets, the bigger and better our games get. I dont know about you but I don't want to go back to playing pong after I've tasted Halo and Final Fantasy VII-XII.

hmm figboy people might start to wonder if we are the same person

We sure do have the same ideas and mentality.

we just have to wait for tgs

no comment

lol, Professor

yeah, i noticed that yesterday, i think. one of your posts was pretty much the exact same think i would have said. lol. hooray for common sense and logic!

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As technology and development techniques increase, there should be less of a requirement for disc space, not more. With better realtime graphics, there should be less need for FMV. Procedural synthesis can be used for just about any type of texture as well - grass, concrete, bricks, skin, hair/fur, etc. Of course, better processing and better programming leads to higher compression as well. 9GB is more than enough for next-gen games.

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some companies really, *really* like their CGI (Team Ninja, the DOA guys), and right now, even with the massive power of a PS3 for example, video games still aren't at that point where they can render visuals as well as a CG cinema. until that time, however, larger disc capacity will be necessary. also, if more space is being freed up do to the technological advances, to me, that means a developer can add more content to the game. sure, it make take longer (but shorter as the development teams get more familiar with the architecture of the PS3), but games may actually become longer (though honestly, i think 10 to 15 hours is long enough for an action/adventure title, and 50 to 100 hours is more than enough for an RPG and Sandbox style game). where i see Blu Ray being incredibly beneficial is in Sandbox games. that genre has come a long way since GTA debuted on the PS1, and it evolved on the PS2 into 3D space. in this next generation, it's going to evolve again, and not just in the visual department. those types of games are trying to mimic what we see and feel in the real world by creating more believable scenarios and interactions. imagine a futuristic game where, instead of traveling from city to city, you travel from *planet* to *planet*, each one having a diverse environment, and various cities within themselves. it'd be a technical achievement, but also mindblowing, to jump aboard your starship, blast off into the sky (all in real time), and cruise through star clusters and nebulas, finally getting sight of your destination; a bright red orb growing larger and larger, entering it's atmosphere, seeing the hull of your ship superheating from re-entry, staring in awe at the various cities stretching out beneath you; deciding upon a landing spot, touching down, then having an entirely new environment to explore. Oblivion took up around 5 gigs (on my PC). that means that a 25 gigabyte Blu Ray (single layer) could hold 5 versions of Oblivion. imagine each of those Oblivion scale games being a different planet or environment with different textures and locals. *now* imagine a *dual layer* Blu Ray. 10 planets. a game like that would take years to create, but also take years to play through fully. those are the types of possibilities that get me excited about the PS3 and Blu Ray.

I agree with ya

When I first heard of the PS3, I also started imagining the possibilties of Playstation, which couldn't have been done on the PS2. I'm gonna borrow your idea for what I had in mind: Take Grand Theft Auto for example. Why limit it to 3 cities in a fictional setting? They can have the whole world as your playground. You can go to Japan for example. You can even go to TGS and play video games there, lol! While the way people interact with you, and they way people go on with their life, gives you the feeling that this place is diffrent and has its own charm. These are the possibilites that can actually expand gaming and invite more people to experience the fun aspect of it. I want to see human feelings like sandess, happiness, and guilt. When killing a person, I want to feel guilt when I look at his eyes, and I see him beging for his life, with his body twitching in fear and tears pouring from his eyes. Another example can be in war games. While you are fighting your partner gets shot. You ask your self, do you leave him because he is fake, or do you help him out because thats what your feeling tells you? Or storm a building and see children and women scared of you. You might have to kill the children. Would you do it? Thats what I think is Next-gen. Not the graphics (altough they are cool), but dynamic new experinces. Sorry for the long article, and I don't want you to get the wrong idea about mentioning shooting children, lol! Anyhow, the next 4 months are going to just get harder and harder to bare. When the waiting is over, I'm sure the reward will be worth it.

To figboy

I totally agree with you. When I first heard of the PS3, I also started imagining the possibilties of Playstation, which couldn't have been done on the PS2. I'm gonna borrow your idea for what I had in mind: Take Grand Theft Auto for example. Why limit it to 3 cities in a fictional setting? They can have the whole world as your playground. You can go to Japan for example. You can even go to TGS and play video games there, lol! While the way people interact with you, and they way people go on with their life, gives you the feeling that this place is diffrent and has its own charm. These are the possibilites that can actually expand gaming and invite more people to experience the fun aspect of it. I want to see human feelings like sandess, happiness, and guilt. When killing a person, I want to feel guilt when I look at his eyes, and I see him beging for his life, with his body twitching in fear and tears pouring from his eyes. Another example can be in war games. While you are fighting your partner gets shot. You ask your self, do you leave him because he is fake, or do you help him out because thats what your feeling tells you? Or storm a building and see children and women scared of you. You might have to kill the children. Would you do it? Thats what I think is Next-gen. Not the graphics (altough they are cool), but dynamic new experinces. Sorry for the long article, and I don't want you to get the wrong idea about mentioning shooting children, lol! Anyhow, the next 4 months are going to just get harder and harder to bare. When the waiting is over, I'm sure the reward will be worth it.

.squid more than enough?

"As technology and development techniques increase, there should be less of a requirement for disc space, not more. With better real-time graphics, there should be less need for FMV." I wonder why my hard drive needs to get 3-5 times bigger every year. By your logic we would still be using floppies. "Procedural synthesis can be used for just about any type of texture as well - grass, concrete, bricks, skin, hair/fur, etc." P. Synthesis too much processing power and it's not a one tech fits all. You can't use it for many things, you sometimes need textures. Unfortunately code also gets more and more complicated. Most companies are buying up engines like Unreal and havok that take up a good bit of space. Every version of software grows in size with each iteration faster than the ones before it. What you are not realizing is that people find ways to shrink games because resources have limits. Do you think developers are going to spend time trying to get a game smaller if they didn't have too? They could spend that time making the game better instead. Dev: Take a picture of a wall and uploaded to my game world or take a week to write a procedure that will draw the wall based mathematical calculations (assuming your engine doesn't support it already). Hmm, tough choice.

to 35/36

lol. i don't hold shooting children against you. lol i'm glad you see my point, and i agree with your examples as well, and how that can really help with bringing more people into video games. the increase in graphics will help people empathize with the digital characters on screen (one of Disney's greatest achievements was the anthropomorphization of their animal characters. wait, is that even a word?). the more like human beings they look and move, the more the outside audience can attach themselves to them. while the graphics on the PS2 and X Box and Gamecube are great, they still look like cartoons. looking at games like Gears of War, the Naughty Dog Game, Heavy Rain, and MGS4, those characters, while still having that cartoon edge, look and move much more realistic than anything that has come before. when a non-gamer gets a whiff of those types of visuals, they'll second-guess that games are strictly for kids. watch the Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway trailer. the part where one of your unit gets shot in the head and falls into your arms is a powerful visual image. and the major difference between that scene in the game, and that scene in a movie, is that, in the game you are there, fighting alongside those men, seeing them die around you. the feelings are more potent and poignant that just passively watching them happen on screen. the amazing visuals will just help to reinforce those feelings. gameplay and graphics go hand in hand, and one isn't always better than the other. it's like a marriage. the two halves should complement each other, not battle for supremecy.

Figboy

Sorry about the split comments. I didn't relize I wasn't logged in. You should regeister, that way the people who use the Hide unregisterd users option, would be able to read your comments.